Seems that Giz and Engadget have gone completely silent on the subject. I'm guessing there is something about these revelations that are so bad from a legal perspective, the attorneys have stepped in. They are probably at the stage of trying to figure out who is going to take the fall for this.
Lam and Chen's careers in high-tech journalism are finished. Right now, Denton is trying to figure out the cheapest way to extract his company from this brouhaha and then unceremoniously dump his two loyal minions as criminals.
As for Engadget, who knows why they are suddenly silent on the matter, but it's suspicious behavior at best. Perhaps there is something, maybe an e-mail on Lam or Chen's computers that incriminate Engadget staffers as accomplices? Maybe some sort of publishing arrangement where Engadget (probably more readers than Gizmodo) links back to Gizmodo and gets kicked back a portion of the pageview profits?
I think everyone rightly critises this comment and view as rubbish. For some reason Dan fears to be betrayed by a friend. It is rightly pointed out that she was betrayed, although I would argue that her roomates did not deliberately betray her, but sloppily put her in a dangerous position. What I think she could (not must, just could!) have done is, to yell at them what kind of idiots they are and that she will call the cops. Then call the cops. In this she would gave her roomates a head start which is all a friend can ask for in this situation, and she is out of trouble. She is not helping them as long as she is not delaying the call, all she does is telling them what she is doing this very moment.
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
You blasted Jason Chen like he was a child rapist up till now. Don't try to change your story now.
While I don't use the childish offensive language that you use ("child rapist, "crap in you grandmothers mouth", etc.), I don't think I see how my position has changed.
I have had emails with Brian Lam a couple of times, and he came across like a complete jerk. I used to read Gizmodo also and most of the guys associated with it and writing the articles seem like complete childish, ignorant, amoral jerks. I've said all that lots of times.
How is me posting a statement to the effect of me finally having "proof" of these beliefs anything different? Only a complete tool would talk to someone in email this way. Hardly a "change in my story" about Brian Lam.
Today, Blockwart is a colloquial German insult word for a person who feels the motivation to keep people in line, esp. by reporting them to officials or pressing the enforcing of rules (esp. petty rules) upon people.
While I don't use the childish offensive language that you use ("child rapist, "crap in you grandmothers mouth", etc.), I don't think I see how my position has changed.
I have had emails with Brian Lam a couple of times, and he came across like a complete jerk. I used to read Gizmodo also and most of the guys associated with it and writing the articles seem like complete childish, ignorant, amoral jerks. I've said all that lots of times.
How is me posting a statement to the effect of me finally having "proof" of these beliefs anything different? Only a complete tool would talk to someone in email this way. Hardly a "change in my story" about Brian Lam.
That "childishly offensive language", as you choose to describe it is descriptive of the level of malice that has been posted by you and others toward Chen during this whole affair, wherein you placed the entire weight of the fiasco upon his head.
There is a month of posts, a MONTH, where no one even mentions Hogan, whom we all knew existed at that time, but instead stating "Jason Chen is a thief and should burn in hell" (Ad libbing, of course) "Jason Chen is the Anti-Christ", "Jason Chen should go down for this", "Giz, Giz, Giz," as though all of you had some form of pornographic tourettes.
Not once, though I pointed it out repeatedly, did ANYONE admit there were other parties involved. Actually, that's not true. Other parties were mentioned and then passed over in favor of dragging Chen through the street with pitiful analogies. Gawker was even eschewed in favor of demonizing Chen, so yes, I will say your opinion, via your previous post, has changed in line with the new majority.
Nice job trying to recover. You should go into political spin.
Prison time is extremely unlikely. Extremely. This is white collar corporate stuff, and petty at that.
I agree that prison time is unlikely. In the USA that is mostly reserved for black folks and pot smokers while corporate criminals generally pay fines only.
The second sentence is completely untrue however. Chen is being charged with three felonies and Hogan with at least two. There is also nothing "petty" about it since the prototype theft is a multi-million dollar affair in terms of loss and damages.
IMO the likely outcome is slap on the wrist for he offenders as they each take their turn passing the blame up the chain towards Gawker Media. Hogan will most likely tell the cops that Chen knew it was an Apple prototype and there is not really a reasonable defence he didn't anyway given his tech knowledge and background. So the principles are almost certainly guilty of the felonies, but it will translate into massive fines that ultimately will have to be paid by Gawker, regardless of whether the blame ultimately reaches head office.
The "payment" for this crime will be financial ruin for Gawker Media and blackballing for Chen, Lam, and any of the other "journalists" associated with it.
That "childishly offensive language", as you choose to describe it is descriptive of the level of malice that has been posted by you and others toward Chen during this whole affair, wherein you placed the entire weight of the fiasco upon his head.
There is a month of posts, a MONTH, where no one even mentions Hogan, whom we all knew existed at that time, but instead stating "Jason Chen is a thief and should burn in hell" (Ad libbing, of course) "Jason Chen is the Anti-Christ", "Jason Chen should go down for this", "Giz, Giz, Giz," as though all of you had some form of pornographic tourettes.
Not once, though I pointed it out repeatedly, did ANYONE admit there were other parties involved. Actually, that's not true. Other parties were mentioned and then passed over in favor of dragging Chen through the street with pitiful analogies. Gawker was even eschewed in favor of demonizing Chen, so yes, I will say your opinion, via your previous post, has changed in line with the new majority.
Nice job trying to recover. You should go into political spin.
Dude. I can see you're angry but I never posted anything of the sort.
I have said in the past that everyone at Giz concerned with this are a-holes or words to that effect, I have said they were guilty, I have said it was their fault. That's it. the rest is in your head.
I think you are engaging in classic paranoia here. You are confabulating everything everyone has said together in one place, then paraphrasing that, and putting those words (your words essentially) in other peoples mouths.
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
You are using a twelve year old's version of "friendship" here. Grow up.
Also, very very very insulting and offensive that you equate calling the cops on an admitted criminal with no regard for his victim, with turning in a Jew hiding from the Nazi's in WWII. WTF??
You don't know what you are talking about. Maybe when you are older you will understand how society and the world works? Perhaps in reality you are not a little kid, but your ideas are totally grade school.
Dude. I can see you're angry but I never posted anything of the sort.
I have said in the past that everyone at Giz concerned with this are a-holes or words to that effect, I have said they were guilty, I have said it was their fault. That's it. the rest is in your head.
I think you are engaging in classic paranoia here. You are confabulating everything everyone has said together in one place, then paraphrasing that, and putting those words (your words essentially) in other peoples mouths.
And I think you are engaged in classic misdirection.
What? Are you gonna pull a Stalin and try to go back and edit all your posts on this subject for the last month?
Whatever. I'm tired of sparring with you. Welcome to the ignore list. Usually I wouldn't do that, but I lose brain cells reading your posts. It's for my own senior health.
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
You're quite the moral example to everybody, but some people are simply a more ethical (and some don't want to go to prison for their shady friend's stupid actions). Maybe in your great land, people willingly go to prison for the stupid criminal actions of their friends, but that doesn't make it right. Besides, would a real friend also use their friend's property to break the law? Maybe in your nation, Friendland, but I'd argue that a friend wouldn't get his friends involved in his crime.
I really like the example of the Nazis; it really places this whole ordeal into perspective. After all, trying to pawn a company's precious IP to make lots of money is pretty similar (and just as noble) as protecting Jews from the Nazis.
A couple of clueless dudes decide to turn a happy accident into a quick few grand. Not realizing that they are a pair of chihuahuas getting into the arena with a pit bull. A little like Mamet's "American Buffalo." What a great subject for a graphic novel is this whole saga. Complications ensue as the game moves higher and higher in the fifth estate v. corporate world. Can't you just see the woodcut-style, low-angle lighting, black and white cell of a furrow browed Steve Jobs talking on the phone ("i" ronically) to Chen. "Just give the package back and no one gets hurt." The giddy, sweating Chen yammering on about "what's in it for me?" A hot room mate. Tech SWAT breaking down doors . . . . We end up in a Law and Order land of attorneys and court rooms. So many layers. So many lawyers. Lots of interesting characters. Silicon Valley Smackdown. Writers out there, take head.
Sorry for the confusion, where I come from we call these things (literally translated) capital crimes. I guess the proper english word would be a felony that doesn't involve hurting someone else physically (e.g. robbery, tax evasion, theft etc.)
A couple of clueless dudes decide to turn a happy accident into a quick few grand. Not realizing that they are a pair of chihuahuas getting into the arena with a pit bull. A little like Mamet's "American Buffalo." What a great subject for a graphic novel is this whole saga. Complications ensue as the game moves higher and higher in the fifth estate v. corporate world. Can't you just see the woodcut-style, low-angle lighting, black and white cell of a furrow browed Steve Jobs talking on the phone ("i" ronically) to Chen. "Just give the package back and no one gets hurt." The giddy, sweating Chen yammering on about "what's in it for me?" A hot room mate. Tech SWAT breaking down doors . . . . We end up in a Law and Order land of attorneys and court rooms. So many layers. So many lawyers. Lots of interesting characters. Silicon Valley Smackdown. Writers out there, take head.
The term is "heed" and, again, Chen didn't do the negotiations. Lamb did .
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
Wow. That is perhaps the most twisted logic I have ever read.
A couple of clueless dudes decide to turn a happy accident into a quick few grand. Not realizing that they are a pair of chihuahuas getting into the arena with a pit bull. A little like Mamet's "American Buffalo." What a great subject for a graphic novel is this whole saga. Complications ensue as the game moves higher and higher in the fifth estate v. corporate world. Can't you just see the woodcut-style, low-angle lighting, black and white cell of a furrow browed Steve Jobs talking on the phone ("i" ronically) to Chen. "Just give the package back and no one gets hurt." The giddy, sweating Chen yammering on about "what's in it for me?" A hot room mate. Tech SWAT breaking down doors . . . . We end up in a Law and Order land of attorneys and court rooms. So many layers. So many lawyers. Lots of interesting characters. Silicon Valley Smackdown. Writers out there, take head.
I have no doubt that we will see a Hollywood version of this fiasco, in one form or another.
where I come from we call these things (literally translated) capital crimes.
Just where DO you come from? A world where capital crimes are crimes committed in the capitol? Or crimes against capitalists? WTF?
Based on your treatise about friendship and crime, you may be from the morally inverted world of Thugland, where people who try to do the right thing are labeled as snitches and rats. Those who live as parasites on society are heroes. Glad I don't live where you do.
Just where DO you come from? A world where capital crimes are crimes committed in the capitol? Or crimes against capitalists? WTF?
Based on your treatise about friendship and crime, you may be from the morally inverted world of Thugland, where people who try to do the right thing are labeled as snitches and rats. Those who live as parasites on society are heroes. Glad I don't live where you do.
It's clear that to dan (whom I do not agree with in any way, shape, nor form) comes from a place where a "capital" crime is a crime of capital, i.e. "property crime". What he doesnt' realize is that in the US, "capital crime" means a crime for which you are eligible for the death penalty.
It's clear that to dan (whom I do not agree with in any way, shape, nor form) comes from a place where a "capital" crime is a crime of capital, i.e. "property crime". What he doesnt' realize is that in the US, "capital crime" means a crime for which you are eligible for the death penalty.
Wow, long time between posts! (five in nine years) Nice to hear from you. One of the few who've been here longer than me. Thanks for completing my jokey response to danboy.
That analogy is about as ludicrous as the "Stolen Cars" analogy.
Humorlessly, I knew it would come to something like this in the end and called it.
It's not ludicrous. I'm talking about CRIMINAL charges. A crime is a crime, no matter how you try to spin it. If you were talking CIVIL liabilities, then yes... Domino's would be the one to deal with it, as the driver was acting as a representative of Domino's.
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Now everyone is tripping over themselves to redact what they said about Chen. I don't even know the guy, but everyone on this site was treating him like he had raped their dog and took a crap in their grandmother's mouth. And for what? Taking pictures of an item that in the end is going to make APPLE ton's of money anyway? Giving Apple free publicity? Finally giving people something rather than being strung along by apple for another few months?
I'm not tripping over myself about anything - I never entered into any conversation until you made the ludicrous statement that someone isn't responsible for their crime.
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Apple should have reported the item stolen the day it was lost (I know there are guidelines that preclude this but they aren't even on record as trying) . Hogan should have actually tried to return it. Nowhere in there should Chen not have reported on it because his BOSS told him to. potential fame or not.
It doesn't matter when Apple reported it. It was a stolen item.
And now YOU are backtracking - saying Chen should have reported on it whether his boss said to or not. Before it was him doing his job... now it's him making the decision regardless of his job.
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
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Seems that Giz and Engadget have gone completely silent on the subject. I'm guessing there is something about these revelations that are so bad from a legal perspective, the attorneys have stepped in. They are probably at the stage of trying to figure out who is going to take the fall for this.
Lam and Chen's careers in high-tech journalism are finished. Right now, Denton is trying to figure out the cheapest way to extract his company from this brouhaha and then unceremoniously dump his two loyal minions as criminals.
As for Engadget, who knows why they are suddenly silent on the matter, but it's suspicious behavior at best. Perhaps there is something, maybe an e-mail on Lam or Chen's computers that incriminate Engadget staffers as accomplices? Maybe some sort of publishing arrangement where Engadget (probably more readers than Gizmodo) links back to Gizmodo and gets kicked back a portion of the pageview profits?
I think everyone rightly critises this comment and view as rubbish. For some reason Dan fears to be betrayed by a friend. It is rightly pointed out that she was betrayed, although I would argue that her roomates did not deliberately betray her, but sloppily put her in a dangerous position. What I think she could (not must, just could!) have done is, to yell at them what kind of idiots they are and that she will call the cops. Then call the cops. In this she would gave her roomates a head start which is all a friend can ask for in this situation, and she is out of trouble. She is not helping them as long as she is not delaying the call, all she does is telling them what she is doing this very moment.
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
You blasted Jason Chen like he was a child rapist up till now. Don't try to change your story now.
While I don't use the childish offensive language that you use ("child rapist, "crap in you grandmothers mouth", etc.), I don't think I see how my position has changed.
I have had emails with Brian Lam a couple of times, and he came across like a complete jerk. I used to read Gizmodo also and most of the guys associated with it and writing the articles seem like complete childish, ignorant, amoral jerks. I've said all that lots of times.
How is me posting a statement to the effect of me finally having "proof" of these beliefs anything different? Only a complete tool would talk to someone in email this way. Hardly a "change in my story" about Brian Lam.
While I don't use the childish offensive language that you use ("child rapist, "crap in you grandmothers mouth", etc.), I don't think I see how my position has changed.
I have had emails with Brian Lam a couple of times, and he came across like a complete jerk. I used to read Gizmodo also and most of the guys associated with it and writing the articles seem like complete childish, ignorant, amoral jerks. I've said all that lots of times.
How is me posting a statement to the effect of me finally having "proof" of these beliefs anything different? Only a complete tool would talk to someone in email this way. Hardly a "change in my story" about Brian Lam.
That "childishly offensive language", as you choose to describe it is descriptive of the level of malice that has been posted by you and others toward Chen during this whole affair, wherein you placed the entire weight of the fiasco upon his head.
There is a month of posts, a MONTH, where no one even mentions Hogan, whom we all knew existed at that time, but instead stating "Jason Chen is a thief and should burn in hell" (Ad libbing, of course) "Jason Chen is the Anti-Christ", "Jason Chen should go down for this", "Giz, Giz, Giz," as though all of you had some form of pornographic tourettes.
Not once, though I pointed it out repeatedly, did ANYONE admit there were other parties involved. Actually, that's not true. Other parties were mentioned and then passed over in favor of dragging Chen through the street with pitiful analogies. Gawker was even eschewed in favor of demonizing Chen, so yes, I will say your opinion, via your previous post, has changed in line with the new majority.
Nice job trying to recover. You should go into political spin.
Prison time is extremely unlikely. Extremely. This is white collar corporate stuff, and petty at that.
I agree that prison time is unlikely. In the USA that is mostly reserved for black folks and pot smokers while corporate criminals generally pay fines only.
The second sentence is completely untrue however. Chen is being charged with three felonies and Hogan with at least two. There is also nothing "petty" about it since the prototype theft is a multi-million dollar affair in terms of loss and damages.
IMO the likely outcome is slap on the wrist for he offenders as they each take their turn passing the blame up the chain towards Gawker Media. Hogan will most likely tell the cops that Chen knew it was an Apple prototype and there is not really a reasonable defence he didn't anyway given his tech knowledge and background. So the principles are almost certainly guilty of the felonies, but it will translate into massive fines that ultimately will have to be paid by Gawker, regardless of whether the blame ultimately reaches head office.
The "payment" for this crime will be financial ruin for Gawker Media and blackballing for Chen, Lam, and any of the other "journalists" associated with it.
That "childishly offensive language", as you choose to describe it is descriptive of the level of malice that has been posted by you and others toward Chen during this whole affair, wherein you placed the entire weight of the fiasco upon his head.
There is a month of posts, a MONTH, where no one even mentions Hogan, whom we all knew existed at that time, but instead stating "Jason Chen is a thief and should burn in hell" (Ad libbing, of course) "Jason Chen is the Anti-Christ", "Jason Chen should go down for this", "Giz, Giz, Giz," as though all of you had some form of pornographic tourettes.
Not once, though I pointed it out repeatedly, did ANYONE admit there were other parties involved. Actually, that's not true. Other parties were mentioned and then passed over in favor of dragging Chen through the street with pitiful analogies. Gawker was even eschewed in favor of demonizing Chen, so yes, I will say your opinion, via your previous post, has changed in line with the new majority.
Nice job trying to recover. You should go into political spin.
Dude. I can see you're angry but I never posted anything of the sort.
I have said in the past that everyone at Giz concerned with this are a-holes or words to that effect, I have said they were guilty, I have said it was their fault. That's it. the rest is in your head.
I think you are engaging in classic paranoia here. You are confabulating everything everyone has said together in one place, then paraphrasing that, and putting those words (your words essentially) in other peoples mouths.
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
You are using a twelve year old's version of "friendship" here. Grow up.
Also, very very very insulting and offensive that you equate calling the cops on an admitted criminal with no regard for his victim, with turning in a Jew hiding from the Nazi's in WWII. WTF??
You don't know what you are talking about. Maybe when you are older you will understand how society and the world works? Perhaps in reality you are not a little kid, but your ideas are totally grade school.
Dude. I can see you're angry but I never posted anything of the sort.
I have said in the past that everyone at Giz concerned with this are a-holes or words to that effect, I have said they were guilty, I have said it was their fault. That's it. the rest is in your head.
I think you are engaging in classic paranoia here. You are confabulating everything everyone has said together in one place, then paraphrasing that, and putting those words (your words essentially) in other peoples mouths.
And I think you are engaged in classic misdirection.
What? Are you gonna pull a Stalin and try to go back and edit all your posts on this subject for the last month?
Whatever. I'm tired of sparring with you. Welcome to the ignore list. Usually I wouldn't do that, but I lose brain cells reading your posts. It's for my own senior health.
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
You're quite the moral example to everybody, but some people are simply a more ethical (and some don't want to go to prison for their shady friend's stupid actions). Maybe in your great land, people willingly go to prison for the stupid criminal actions of their friends, but that doesn't make it right. Besides, would a real friend also use their friend's property to break the law? Maybe in your nation, Friendland, but I'd argue that a friend wouldn't get his friends involved in his crime.
I really like the example of the Nazis; it really places this whole ordeal into perspective. After all, trying to pawn a company's precious IP to make lots of money is pretty similar (and just as noble) as protecting Jews from the Nazis.
Sorry for the confusion, where I come from we call these things (literally translated) capital crimes. I guess the proper english word would be a felony that doesn't involve hurting someone else physically (e.g. robbery, tax evasion, theft etc.)
Remind me not to visit wherever you come from....
A couple of clueless dudes decide to turn a happy accident into a quick few grand. Not realizing that they are a pair of chihuahuas getting into the arena with a pit bull. A little like Mamet's "American Buffalo." What a great subject for a graphic novel is this whole saga. Complications ensue as the game moves higher and higher in the fifth estate v. corporate world. Can't you just see the woodcut-style, low-angle lighting, black and white cell of a furrow browed Steve Jobs talking on the phone ("i" ronically) to Chen. "Just give the package back and no one gets hurt." The giddy, sweating Chen yammering on about "what's in it for me?" A hot room mate. Tech SWAT breaking down doors . . . . We end up in a Law and Order land of attorneys and court rooms. So many layers. So many lawyers. Lots of interesting characters. Silicon Valley Smackdown. Writers out there, take head.
The term is "heed" and, again, Chen didn't do the negotiations. Lamb did .
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
Wow. That is perhaps the most twisted logic I have ever read.
A couple of clueless dudes decide to turn a happy accident into a quick few grand. Not realizing that they are a pair of chihuahuas getting into the arena with a pit bull. A little like Mamet's "American Buffalo." What a great subject for a graphic novel is this whole saga. Complications ensue as the game moves higher and higher in the fifth estate v. corporate world. Can't you just see the woodcut-style, low-angle lighting, black and white cell of a furrow browed Steve Jobs talking on the phone ("i" ronically) to Chen. "Just give the package back and no one gets hurt." The giddy, sweating Chen yammering on about "what's in it for me?" A hot room mate. Tech SWAT breaking down doors . . . . We end up in a Law and Order land of attorneys and court rooms. So many layers. So many lawyers. Lots of interesting characters. Silicon Valley Smackdown. Writers out there, take head.
I have no doubt that we will see a Hollywood version of this fiasco, in one form or another.
where I come from we call these things (literally translated) capital crimes.
Just where DO you come from? A world where capital crimes are crimes committed in the capitol? Or crimes against capitalists? WTF?
Based on your treatise about friendship and crime, you may be from the morally inverted world of Thugland, where people who try to do the right thing are labeled as snitches and rats. Those who live as parasites on society are heroes. Glad I don't live where you do.
Just where DO you come from? A world where capital crimes are crimes committed in the capitol? Or crimes against capitalists? WTF?
Based on your treatise about friendship and crime, you may be from the morally inverted world of Thugland, where people who try to do the right thing are labeled as snitches and rats. Those who live as parasites on society are heroes. Glad I don't live where you do.
It's clear that to dan (whom I do not agree with in any way, shape, nor form) comes from a place where a "capital" crime is a crime of capital, i.e. "property crime". What he doesnt' realize is that in the US, "capital crime" means a crime for which you are eligible for the death penalty.
It's clear that to dan (whom I do not agree with in any way, shape, nor form) comes from a place where a "capital" crime is a crime of capital, i.e. "property crime". What he doesnt' realize is that in the US, "capital crime" means a crime for which you are eligible for the death penalty.
Wow, long time between posts! (five in nine years) Nice to hear from you. One of the few who've been here longer than me. Thanks for completing my jokey response to danboy.
That analogy is about as ludicrous as the "Stolen Cars" analogy.
Humorlessly, I knew it would come to something like this in the end and called it.
It's not ludicrous. I'm talking about CRIMINAL charges. A crime is a crime, no matter how you try to spin it. If you were talking CIVIL liabilities, then yes... Domino's would be the one to deal with it, as the driver was acting as a representative of Domino's.
Now everyone is tripping over themselves to redact what they said about Chen. I don't even know the guy, but everyone on this site was treating him like he had raped their dog and took a crap in their grandmother's mouth. And for what? Taking pictures of an item that in the end is going to make APPLE ton's of money anyway? Giving Apple free publicity? Finally giving people something rather than being strung along by apple for another few months?
I'm not tripping over myself about anything - I never entered into any conversation until you made the ludicrous statement that someone isn't responsible for their crime.
Apple should have reported the item stolen the day it was lost (I know there are guidelines that preclude this but they aren't even on record as trying) . Hogan should have actually tried to return it. Nowhere in there should Chen not have reported on it because his BOSS told him to. potential fame or not.
It doesn't matter when Apple reported it. It was a stolen item.
And now YOU are backtracking - saying Chen should have reported on it whether his boss said to or not. Before it was him doing his job... now it's him making the decision regardless of his job.
Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.
I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.
You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
WOW, YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT!!!!!