Foxconn to ship 24M next-gen iPhones with improved displays in 2010

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  • Reply 21 of 101
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steve's son View Post


    I'm not letting myself become to excited about the new iPhone. Because, I don't think I can get the upgrade price from At&t. I purchased a refurbished 3G iPhone last July. I read the ai article about At&t allowing early upgrades... However - I checked my account and I am not permitted until 04/4/2011. Which doesn't make sense because I thought you get upgrade pricing per year? That would be 21 months with the same phone. Grrr...





    From my account:



    "As a valued AT&T customer, we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a reduced discount, along with a 2-year commitment. You may qualify for a full discount on a standard iPhone upgrade on 04/04/2011"



    An iPhone 3GS would cost $399.00 right now.



    Edit: Does this mean I get a small reduced price right now? I am so confused...



    $399 is a small reduced price, or whatever you want to call it. There's no secret here. You qualify for a full discount on 4/4/11.



    AT&T must offer you a full discount every 24 months or sooner. I have an extremely high bill due to the number of lines on my plan, so I personally am offered an upgrade every 12 months, but that's the best you can get, and you need to spend over $200 monthly.
  • Reply 22 of 101
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    I'm curious about this 33% thinner display tech. I hope that it's bright or brighter than the current backlit system. The iPad is noticeably less bright than the iPhone.



    Wasn't their a patent for including the touch matrix into the LCD to further reduce the size? With the iPhone HD being dramatically thinner their seems to be many things at work here.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hattig View Post


    I wonder if this is a real 640x960 display (real as in all R,G,B sub-pixels present in each pixel) - if so, that's a major improvement and incredible DPI.



    I'm sure we'll know the day they hit the stores.



    I expected a stepping stone resolution not something that is 4x the number of pixels as the 3GS. Since this is a dense ppi and they kept with the same ppi for 3 years I have to think this will be the norm for at least another 3 years.
  • Reply 23 of 101
    str1f3str1f3 Posts: 573member
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    Originally Posted by jetlaw View Post


    I think the value of spec-comparison is vastly over rated. Why not speak in terms of what you want in terms of a result, as opposed to a means?



    I understand if someone says "I hope the next revision of this device runs faster," but who cares how much RAM it has? Who is to say RAM is even the limiting factor? These are just conclusory statements that fail to articulate any real objective.



    Well for one some web pages have tons of pictures on them and on my 3G there will be a ton of blue blocks. It may be bad web design but it doesn't stop this issue. While I don't have a 3GS, I have heard this same issue exists with the iPad.



    More RAM could also allow to keep more pages in memory instead of having 7 tabs open and having to refresh every time you switch.



    I'd also believe that 512MB would be nice because Apple only has annual updates. While specs aren't everything, an advantage of Android is that they are on a ton of phones and will be continually updating hardware throughout the year. I think it's too early in mobile tech to say that specs don't matter. You could say that in the desktop space.
  • Reply 24 of 101
    tumme-tottetumme-totte Posts: 147member
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    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    This iPhone will have 256 mb of RAM on the A4, because the iPad does. Plain and simple. No exception, no possibility of exception. Sorry, but it's truth.



    Why be sorry? Anyone remember the days when memory was limited? I would say that software back in those days were better than todays in many ways. Not in all aspects, but one thing todays software developers developing for mobile phones has to re-learn is to handle limited resources.



    And they should on behalf of the users - because then the software will be faster and less resource consuming. And they will fit in more hardware configurations. And battery will be preserved. And the hardware may eventually come down to more reasonable prices compared to what you get. Maybe we are back to real time application thinking again!



    Everybody demanding faster chip, more memory and all these things - time to re-think!
  • Reply 25 of 101
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    11/4/2010 (4/11/2010 US) I became eligible for upgrade, one of those new iPhones has my name on it.



    I hope Australia gets it first day like the 3G, not staggered like the 3GS then we'll have it before America due to the dateline.
  • Reply 26 of 101
    steviestevie Posts: 956member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jetlaw View Post


    I think the value of spec-comparison is vastly over rated. Why not speak in terms of what you want in terms of a result, as opposed to a means?








    I want to run a lot of programs in the background and still have some RAM headroom.
  • Reply 27 of 101
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jimitrott View Post


    Yes, Another LCD when everyone else is moving to OLED? Very disappointing. Has Steve not seen the Nexus One's display?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Another LCD when everyone else is moving to OLED? Very disappointing. Has Steve not seen the Nexus One's display?



    Maybe iPhone 5G will finally catch up.



    Have you used OLED? If so, you must not get out much...in that they are near useless outside. Consumers that buy something because the hear a new buzzword, like OLED, even though it is inferior in many ways, are the easiest marks for sale people. They see you coming a mile away.
  • Reply 28 of 101
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post


    Just because the stolen iPhone had the A4 with 256MB RAM does not mean that there are not other versions out there. I have seen prototype Macs in the wild with varying components right before shipping. They can get great value stress testing with all available models even if they do not match exactly the final specs. Remember that the unfortunate fellow that had his iPhone STOLEN was working on the radio.



    Different phone. The article mentions the phone from Vietnam not the one in the bar.
  • Reply 29 of 101
    richlrichl Posts: 2,213member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I expected a stepping stone resolution not something that is 4x the number of pixels as the 3GS.



    I'm sure it all comes down to application compatibility. It's trivial to scale graphics up by 2x. A stepping stone resolution would have meant a UI re-write for most applications.
  • Reply 30 of 101
    richlrichl Posts: 2,213member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post


    Have you used OLED? If so, you must not get out much...in that they are near useless outside.



    It depends on where in the world you live. OLED is the perfect technology already for cloudy London. Probably less so for California.
  • Reply 31 of 101
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    Lol I love when the RAM question comes up. Everyone weighs in with the, "If they don't double it this time, the phone will suck"



    What geniuses and engineers we have! Good grief, go crawl in a hole, pls.



    This iPhone will have 256 mb of RAM on the A4, because the iPad does. Plain and simple. No exception, no possibility of exception. Sorry, but it's truth.



    Why is this the 'the truth'. That is the same argument people made before the iPod Touch came out that it wouldn't exceed the storage of the iPhone. Yet the iPhone maxes out at 32GB while the iPod ships with up to 64GB.



    I am not saying you are wrong. It makes sense that the iPhone wouldn't have more memory than the iPad. That doesn't mean that won't be the case, however. Likely, but not a certainty.
  • Reply 32 of 101
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
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    Originally Posted by RichL View Post


    It depends on where in the world you live. OLED is the perfect technology already for cloudy London. Probably less so for California.



    Ok, for vampires and Londoners, it is great. For the rest of us that are not in London and not part of the Twilight cast, it is not a great solution. Perhaps jimitrott and kotatsu were speaking as Twilight fans
  • Reply 33 of 101
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post


    Why is the 'the truth'. That is the same argument people made before the iPod Touch came out that it wouldn't exceed the storage of the iPhone. Yet the iPhone maxes out at 32Gb while the iPod ships with up to 64GB.



    I am not saying you are wrong. It makes sense that the iPhone wouldn't have more memory than the iPad. That doesn't mean that won't be the case, however. Likely, but not a certainty.



    While you're right in that there is no certainty here, the iPhone and Touch capacity is very different from the iPhone and iPAd RAM capacity situation. The Touch is an iPod so it makes sense for it to have more NAND. It's always been high for the same generation. The iPad, however, NEEDS more RAM than the iPhone. The GPU needs more due to the higher pixel count and the apps need more because they do a lot more on that 10" display than they feasibly can do on a display 1/8th the area.
  • Reply 34 of 101
    I can't believe that they can fit 614,400 pixels on that small screen. Awesome.
  • Reply 35 of 101
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,277moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rd68k View Post


    It might be possible that we will meet a second version of Apple A4 processor:



    - Apple A4 with 256MB DRAM in lowest cost, 16GB, version of iPhone 4G as well as in iPad

    - Apple A4 with 512MB DRAM in higher end iPhone 4G, with 32GB and, possibly, 64GB FLASH models



    The Gizmodo leak suggested the A4 in the iPhone had a smaller die size and they just guessed from similar markings that it had 256MB RAM.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz


    This iPhone will have 256 mb of RAM on the A4, because the iPad does. Plain and simple. No exception, no possibility of exception. Sorry, but it's truth.



    Not necessarily. The iPhone will have a video chat camera unlike the iPad. The iPhone will ship with OS 4 unlike the iPad. The iPhone is a 4th gen product and the iPad is 1st gen. They are going to leave things out on the iPad so that people have a reason to upgrade next year.



    I'm glad to hear about the IPS tech, I think that this version is shaping up to be the version that will need no further improvement.
  • Reply 36 of 101
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    While you're right in that there is no certainty here, the iPhone and Touch capacity is very different from the iPhone and iPAd RAM capacity situation. The Touch is an iPod so it makes sense for it to have more NAND. It's always been high for the same generation. The iPad, however, NEEDS more RAM than the iPhone. The GPU needs more due to the higher pixel count and the apps need more because they do a lot more on that 10" display than they feasibly can do on a display 1/8th the area.



    yes, absolutely, storage is used as a differentiator between product lines. And currently it would make more sense for the iPad to have more memory than the iPhone, though that is not static as both could be argued to benefit from more memory. Another case might be product cycles. Though the iPad and the new iPhone are likely too close together in launch to make a difference, in some case where there is a large gap, the 'smaller' device might end up with more at launch, simply because it launch significantly later and market conditions made using more memory make sense.



    I don't think the iPhone will have more memory than the iPad, just that the iPad being the big brother doesn't guarantee it won't have less.
  • Reply 37 of 101
    jmmxjmmx Posts: 341member
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    Originally Posted by jetlaw View Post


    Yet another AI post with an obvious typo. I love this site, but these guys really need to have their worked proofed before they post.



    Oh dear - I really hate when this happens, but did YOU proof your "worked"?



    Yeah - I know - but you are not being paid for your comments.



    Good naturedly submitted.
  • Reply 38 of 101
    The real question is what does 24 million units suggest? Is that enough units to satisfy just AT&T consumers or does 24 million suggest a greater supply than usual because Apple is going to need more units when it breaks exclusivity?
  • Reply 39 of 101
    jmmxjmmx Posts: 341member
    "Foxconn is expected to ship 4.5 million next-generation handsets in June alone."



    That would seem like a lot - but with the need for channel fill, it probably is not. They expect to sell 20 M iPhones in the in the second half of the year? Wow, pretty darn good.
  • Reply 40 of 101
    monstrositymonstrosity Posts: 2,234member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Another LCD when everyone else is moving to OLED? Very disappointing. Has Steve not seen the Nexus One's display?



    Maybe iPhone 5G will finally catch up.



    Whichever publication it is that you obtain your information from. Stop reading it.
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