The real question is what does 24 million units suggest? Is that enough units to satisfy just AT&T consumers or does 24 million suggest a greater supply than usual because Apple is going to need more units when it breaks exclusivity?
Whether or not they break with ATT exclusivity, they DO sell in other countries you know?
Another LCD when everyone else is moving to OLED? Very disappointing. Has Steve not seen the Nexus One's display?
My guess is that Steve has indeed seen Nexus One's display, as well as the displays of all competing smartphones plus displays that aren't being used in currently shipping devices. I suspect that Apple evaluates dozens of sample displays in the prototyping phase and that Steve himself is involved in the final decision process.
The display is the single most expensive component in the iPhone/iPod touch, so it would seem prudent that Apple selects this part for the best combination of qualities, including (but not limited to) size, power requirements, brightness, viewing angle, performance under direct sunlight, refresh rate, durability, longevity, color rendering, part quality, availability, recyclability, and of course, price.
What is your justification in believing that Apple would not behave like the Fortune 500 company that they are and pick such an important part without a thorough investigation of the available components?
Ok, for vampires and Londoners, it is great. For the rest of us that are not in London and not part of the Twilight cast, it is not a great solution. Perhaps jimitrott and kotatsu were speaking as Twilight fans
Don't leave out Seattle. London, Seattle, and Transylvania.
Any word on a refresh to the Touches? Can we expect them to be refreshed in step with the iPhones and could the number of displays being talked about include Touch screens?
Any word on a refresh to the Touches? Can we expect them to be refreshed in step with the iPhones and could the number of displays being talked about include Touch screens?
Based on growth and current sales figures 24M could be the number of iPhones sold in 2nd half of 2010.
Apple doesn't break out the iPod sales but they do state the number of iPhone OS devices. According to AI, Touch sales were up 55% YoY so I can't imagine that Foxconn number to include both devices.
The Gizmodo leak suggested the A4 in the iPhone had a smaller die size and they just guessed from similar markings that it had 256MB RAM.
Gizmodo photos do not reveal Apple A4 processor. The photos in Vietnam leak show Apple A4 photo with identical, 256MB DRAM marks as original A4 marks in iPad.
Processor die size has nothing to do with DRAM size, since Apple A4 is milti-chip Package-on-Package module containing CPU die and two DRAM dies.
$399 is a small reduced price, or whatever you want to call it. There's no secret here. You qualify for a full discount on 4/4/11.
AT&T must offer you a full discount every 24 months or sooner. I have an extremely high bill due to the number of lines on my plan, so I personally am offered an upgrade every 12 months, but that's the best you can get, and you need to spend over $200 monthly.
This 12 month upgrade thing would seem to explain why I'm eligible for a full upgrade now (I just checked my account) even though I'm only 15 months into my 2-year contract. I've got 2 lines on my plan with 2 iPhones and I've got the 1400 minute plan for just under $200/month. Oddly enough, my wife's line is only eligible for the partial discount. Where a 16GB 3GS would cost me the normal $199 price, it's $399 for her. Good thing she's happy with her 3G for now. I'm assuming this will apply to the new phone when it comes out in June/July.
the main difference between the iPad and the iPhone 4G is that the latter will have 2 cameras, the former having none. Could this explain a necessity to include more RAM in the iPhone than in the iPad?
I am a bit baffled by people who wanted to upgrade everytime there is a new update of the iPhone, and yet unwilling to accept the fact that the purchase price of an iPhone is subsidized (that is amortized over a period of time). As noted by another poster, spend more and your eligibillity date will be advanced. Otherwise pay the full price of an unlocked iPhone, and buy as often as you want.
But that aside, it is possible that other smartphones may indeed have features more advanced or have more features than the iPhone.
In the end, as a portable mobile computing device, rather than just a cell phone, it is what you can do with it that enhances your day-to-day life, work, leisure and whatever interests you that should determine the utility of a mobile computing device. In other words, the Apps.
And also the ease of use of obtaining those Apps that interest you. To my knowledge, the highly integrated ecosystem of Apple -- while disparaged sometimes as the "walled garden" by critics and anti-Apple crowd -- is well received by iPhone OS (iPhone, IPod Touch and iPad) users. Even the non-Geek can download and use immediately whatever catch their fancy. If I have to guess, I assume that the vetted Apps store, is more than likely more secure than similar systems where any Apps are accepted fro the sake of openness.
I am not an expert of what are really available in the iPhone Apps Store. but the 200,000 and counting Apps is staggering. If it is true that there are more than a hundred thousand developers, or those who want to develop for the iPhone OS ecosystem, then this is a "feature" that beats all other features. You can have at your finger tips and access the creations (creativity, talent, imaginations) of all these individuals to potentially improve yourself.
Just one more thing, developers have criticized Apple for being too stringent in the review of Apps. I would agree with the arbitrariness of the review process -- the rules must be more transparent. However, considering how huge the Apps database is, I would even recommend that Apple should become more stringent. And if needed punish the transgressors.
For example, one blogger has found spam Apps ("guide Apps", or those hijacking "key words", including the proprietary trademarks of other Apps). The blogger speculated speculated that Apple may be unwilling to delete these spam Apps or take more stringent measures, like ban blatant transgressors) supposedly because such move may be condemned outright not only be self-righteous developers but may be repeated ad nauseum in the blogosphere and even mainstream media.
"Repetition becomes fact."
Customers are hurt by the proliferation of such spam Apps. Apple must have the balls to take action. And it would help if Apple will be more transparent with its Apps review policies.
You can not have IPS & AFFS+ in the same screen they are different technology's used to reach the same type advantages over regular LCD's. AFFS+ works better out side and uses less power.
The question is why was it not used in the iPad? There have been a few laptops & Tablets using this tech since 2008
I will buy an iPhone 4G, regardless the new features they will include. Why? Because I own a Mac and have a MobileMe subscription. The integration of the iPhone into that alone is worth the money, IMO. My current phone has no updated contacts or calendar, simply because I would have do it twice every time (implicit message: I'm lazy ).
The apps you talk about is another great feature I'm looking forward to. For me it will also be my GPS and music player. Stuff I would have to by separately otherwise.
You can not have IPS & AFFS+ in the same screen they are different technology's used to reach the same type advantages over regular LCD's. AFFS+ works better out side and uses less power.
The question is why was it not used in the iPad? There have been a few laptops & Tablets using this tech since 2008
You can not have IPS & AFFS+ in the same screen they are different technology's used to reach the same type advantages over regular LCD's. AFFS+ works better out side and uses less power.
The question is why was it not used in the iPad? There have been a few laptops & Tablets using this tech since 2008
IPS (In-Plane switching) uses a horizontal electric field type LCD to ensure high color stability and simple process. VA has a vertically aligned electric field to facilitate high transmittance and fast response rate.
AFFS improves upon the IPS horizontally aligned field by creating an electric fringe enabling high transmittance and wide viewing angle. All three are used for the manufacturing of TFT-LCD. Click here to learn more.
IPS (In-Plane switching) uses a horizontal electric field type LCD to ensure high color stability and simple process. VA has a vertically aligned electric field to facilitate high transmittance and fast response rate.
AFFS improves upon the IPS horizontally aligned field by creating an electric fringe enabling high transmittance and wide viewing angle. All three are used for the manufacturing of TFT-LCD. Click here to learn more.
Yeah it looks real awesome. I think the Cost of a 9 inch screen could have been why Apple did not put it in the gen 1 iPad, if they are really putting it in the next iPhone.
The real question is what does 24 million units suggest? Is that enough units to satisfy just AT&T consumers or does 24 million suggest a greater supply than usual because Apple is going to need more units when it breaks exclusivity?
Apple sold 8.75 million iPhones last quarter alone - that would be 35 million in a year (plus undoubtedly a good-sized increase).
Any word on a refresh to the Touches? Can we expect them to be refreshed in step with the iPhones and could the number of displays being talked about include Touch screens?
- Jasen.
The iPod touch is on a separate release schedule approximately three months later than the iPhone. It is unlikely that the quoted number includes iPods.
I'm guessing that the next-generation iPod touch will look similar to the prototype iPhones that have been leaked.
The real question is what does 24 million units suggest? Is that enough units to satisfy just AT&T consumers or does 24 million suggest a greater supply than usual because Apple is going to need more units when it breaks exclusivity?
24M is worldwide. There are other countries besides the US of A
the main difference between the iPad and the iPhone 4G is that the latter will have 2 cameras, the former having none. Could this explain a necessity to include more RAM in the iPhone than in the iPad?
The iPhone also has a phone app constantly running decreasing the amount of available RAM. 256 MB of RAM is fine for right now but considering that most people will only upgrade every other year as contracts near their expiration, it would make sense to have a device that is fully capable of running the current OS as well as subsequent versions and their enhancements. My wife's 3GS runs beautifully while my 3G is a bit sluggish. Considering the amount of money paid for a new iPhone it's not unreasonable to want at least 512 MB of RAM. For a premium product it should be standard.
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The real question is what does 24 million units suggest? Is that enough units to satisfy just AT&T consumers or does 24 million suggest a greater supply than usual because Apple is going to need more units when it breaks exclusivity?
Whether or not they break with ATT exclusivity, they DO sell in other countries you know?
Another LCD when everyone else is moving to OLED? Very disappointing. Has Steve not seen the Nexus One's display?
My guess is that Steve has indeed seen Nexus One's display, as well as the displays of all competing smartphones plus displays that aren't being used in currently shipping devices. I suspect that Apple evaluates dozens of sample displays in the prototyping phase and that Steve himself is involved in the final decision process.
The display is the single most expensive component in the iPhone/iPod touch, so it would seem prudent that Apple selects this part for the best combination of qualities, including (but not limited to) size, power requirements, brightness, viewing angle, performance under direct sunlight, refresh rate, durability, longevity, color rendering, part quality, availability, recyclability, and of course, price.
What is your justification in believing that Apple would not behave like the Fortune 500 company that they are and pick such an important part without a thorough investigation of the available components?
Ok, for vampires and Londoners, it is great. For the rest of us that are not in London and not part of the Twilight cast, it is not a great solution. Perhaps jimitrott and kotatsu were speaking as Twilight fans
Don't leave out Seattle. London, Seattle, and Transylvania.
- Jasen.
Don't leave out Seattle. London, Seattle, and Transylvania.
I also forgot trolls. They love the dark too. Seems appropriate.
Any word on a refresh to the Touches? Can we expect them to be refreshed in step with the iPhones and could the number of displays being talked about include Touch screens?
Based on growth and current sales figures 24M could be the number of iPhones sold in 2nd half of 2010.
Apple doesn't break out the iPod sales but they do state the number of iPhone OS devices. According to AI, Touch sales were up 55% YoY so I can't imagine that Foxconn number to include both devices.
The Gizmodo leak suggested the A4 in the iPhone had a smaller die size and they just guessed from similar markings that it had 256MB RAM.
Gizmodo photos do not reveal Apple A4 processor. The photos in Vietnam leak show Apple A4 photo with identical, 256MB DRAM marks as original A4 marks in iPad.
Processor die size has nothing to do with DRAM size, since Apple A4 is milti-chip Package-on-Package module containing CPU die and two DRAM dies.
$399 is a small reduced price, or whatever you want to call it. There's no secret here. You qualify for a full discount on 4/4/11.
AT&T must offer you a full discount every 24 months or sooner. I have an extremely high bill due to the number of lines on my plan, so I personally am offered an upgrade every 12 months, but that's the best you can get, and you need to spend over $200 monthly.
This 12 month upgrade thing would seem to explain why I'm eligible for a full upgrade now (I just checked my account) even though I'm only 15 months into my 2-year contract. I've got 2 lines on my plan with 2 iPhones and I've got the 1400 minute plan for just under $200/month. Oddly enough, my wife's line is only eligible for the partial discount. Where a 16GB 3GS would cost me the normal $199 price, it's $399 for her. Good thing she's happy with her 3G for now.
the main difference between the iPad and the iPhone 4G is that the latter will have 2 cameras, the former having none. Could this explain a necessity to include more RAM in the iPhone than in the iPad?
But that aside, it is possible that other smartphones may indeed have features more advanced or have more features than the iPhone.
In the end, as a portable mobile computing device, rather than just a cell phone, it is what you can do with it that enhances your day-to-day life, work, leisure and whatever interests you that should determine the utility of a mobile computing device. In other words, the Apps.
And also the ease of use of obtaining those Apps that interest you. To my knowledge, the highly integrated ecosystem of Apple -- while disparaged sometimes as the "walled garden" by critics and anti-Apple crowd -- is well received by iPhone OS (iPhone, IPod Touch and iPad) users. Even the non-Geek can download and use immediately whatever catch their fancy. If I have to guess, I assume that the vetted Apps store, is more than likely more secure than similar systems where any Apps are accepted fro the sake of openness.
I am not an expert of what are really available in the iPhone Apps Store. but the 200,000 and counting Apps is staggering. If it is true that there are more than a hundred thousand developers, or those who want to develop for the iPhone OS ecosystem, then this is a "feature" that beats all other features. You can have at your finger tips and access the creations (creativity, talent, imaginations) of all these individuals to potentially improve yourself.
Just one more thing, developers have criticized Apple for being too stringent in the review of Apps. I would agree with the arbitrariness of the review process -- the rules must be more transparent. However, considering how huge the Apps database is, I would even recommend that Apple should become more stringent. And if needed punish the transgressors.
For example, one blogger has found spam Apps ("guide Apps", or those hijacking "key words", including the proprietary trademarks of other Apps). The blogger speculated speculated that Apple may be unwilling to delete these spam Apps or take more stringent measures, like ban blatant transgressors) supposedly because such move may be condemned outright not only be self-righteous developers but may be repeated ad nauseum in the blogosphere and even mainstream media.
"Repetition becomes fact."
Customers are hurt by the proliferation of such spam Apps. Apple must have the balls to take action. And it would help if Apple will be more transparent with its Apps review policies.
CGC
The question is why was it not used in the iPad? There have been a few laptops & Tablets using this tech since 2008
http://blog.tabletpc.com.au/2009/07/...ion-f5-and-c5/
http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_ap_01.asp
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CGC
Great post!
I will buy an iPhone 4G, regardless the new features they will include. Why? Because I own a Mac and have a MobileMe subscription. The integration of the iPhone into that alone is worth the money, IMO. My current phone has no updated contacts or calendar, simply because I would have do it twice every time (implicit message: I'm lazy
The apps you talk about is another great feature I'm looking forward to. For me it will also be my GPS and music player. Stuff I would have to by separately otherwise.
You can not have IPS & AFFS+ in the same screen they are different technology's used to reach the same type advantages over regular LCD's. AFFS+ works better out side and uses less power.
The question is why was it not used in the iPad? There have been a few laptops & Tablets using this tech since 2008
http://blog.tabletpc.com.au/2009/07/...ion-f5-and-c5/
http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_ap_01.asp
Good catch!
Consider this. No one knew how much the iPad would sell. Totally new product.
They had to keep the specs down to make it super-affordable.
With the iPhone. They are certain they will sell millions upon millions whatever the cost.
So why not beef it up.
Or it could be fake.. Who knows.
My 0.02
You can not have IPS & AFFS+ in the same screen they are different technology's used to reach the same type advantages over regular LCD's. AFFS+ works better out side and uses less power.
The question is why was it not used in the iPad? There have been a few laptops & Tablets using this tech since 2008
http://blog.tabletpc.com.au/2009/07/...ion-f5-and-c5/
http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_ap_01.asp
Interesting stuff.
Interesting stuff.
Yeah it looks real awesome. I think the Cost of a 9 inch screen could have been why Apple did not put it in the gen 1 iPad, if they are really putting it in the next iPhone.
The real question is what does 24 million units suggest? Is that enough units to satisfy just AT&T consumers or does 24 million suggest a greater supply than usual because Apple is going to need more units when it breaks exclusivity?
Apple sold 8.75 million iPhones last quarter alone - that would be 35 million in a year (plus undoubtedly a good-sized increase).
Any word on a refresh to the Touches? Can we expect them to be refreshed in step with the iPhones and could the number of displays being talked about include Touch screens?
- Jasen.
The iPod touch is on a separate release schedule approximately three months later than the iPhone. It is unlikely that the quoted number includes iPods.
I'm guessing that the next-generation iPod touch will look similar to the prototype iPhones that have been leaked.
The real question is what does 24 million units suggest? Is that enough units to satisfy just AT&T consumers or does 24 million suggest a greater supply than usual because Apple is going to need more units when it breaks exclusivity?
24M is worldwide. There are other countries besides the US of A
Just a thought about the whole RAM thing:
the main difference between the iPad and the iPhone 4G is that the latter will have 2 cameras, the former having none. Could this explain a necessity to include more RAM in the iPhone than in the iPad?
The iPhone also has a phone app constantly running decreasing the amount of available RAM. 256 MB of RAM is fine for right now but considering that most people will only upgrade every other year as contracts near their expiration, it would make sense to have a device that is fully capable of running the current OS as well as subsequent versions and their enhancements. My wife's 3GS runs beautifully while my 3G is a bit sluggish. Considering the amount of money paid for a new iPhone it's not unreasonable to want at least 512 MB of RAM. For a premium product it should be standard.