Will be a difficult choice for many. Stylus or style?
Seriously, it looked pretty good on the surface. OTOH, this being the Microsoft Juggernaut, they'll probably fail at producing something decent. And then there is the fact that they have not got an app ecosystem.
With only 7.7 million Android phones shipped in 2009 (roughly 10 different models) how on earth do Microsoft think they can ship 30 million?
Could be around 35 million this year though (if the 100,000 activations a day stays steady).
Android was very new last year, most phones weren't out until the final quarter.
I think the market has decided on iPhone and Android already. Even corporates are using the iPhone, and that's where Microsoft would have had a chance to sell Windows Mobile 7 devices - except that being incompatible and with its unprofessional user interface it's not going to be all that desirable for corporates even.
MS unlike Apple doesn't have hardware of their own. So,what that 30 million projection should say is that MS hopes that their hardware partners can crank out 30 million phones carrying the windows mobile 7 OS. Period.
That is the same misinterpreted info given when Android phones are talked about. Android and winmo mobile 7 are OSes sold by competing cell phone makers.
That is the right way of telling the story.
Isn't Windows Phone meant to be a hardware product from Microsoft? Like Zune and XBox and Keyboards?
I must say, Ballmer is incredibly optimistic about WP7, maybe there are things we all don't know about yet for this unreleased OS. But then again, this is M$ we're talking about, there are enough people that like their products to actually go out and use their haphazard technology.
Typical Microsoft. Announcing the product long before it arrives (if it arrives, anybody remember Cairo and Longhorn?) in the hopes that people will wait for "the Microsoft version". The world is different now. There are real alternatives and no developer is going to invest serious money in Windows Phone 7 on the basis of hopeful announcements about a non-shipping product.
I must say, Ballmer is incredibly optimistic about WP7, maybe there are things we all don't know about yet for this unreleased OS. But then again, this is M$ we're talking about, there are enough people that like their products to actually go out and use their haphazard technology.
Ballmer is nothing if not optimistic or perhaps just thick skinned! Most people would have resigned long ago after such a career of utter abysmal failures. Personally I hope he has tenure for life.
What a pathetic joke. That hideous excuse for an OS is going to sell itself on 30 million phones? Not a chance in the world.
Maybe Ballmer is going to achieve this by giving one free to every Zune owner ... Oh wait a minute .
What cracks me up is the enthusiasm for 7. Let's be honest, it is better than Vista. However, it is what MS should have released as an OS 15 years ago.
Typical Microsoft. Announcing the product long before it arrives (if it arrives, anybody remember Cairo and Longhorn?) in the hopes that people will wait for "the Microsoft version". The world is different now. There are real alternatives and no developer is going to invest serious money in Windows Phone 7 on the basis of hopeful announcements about a non-shipping product.
Not only do we have alternatives IMHO MS have lost credibility in the eyes of many. They are becoming the Buick of the tech world. Driven by old farts and always slow and in the way.
Do you get sim-only prices or do you have to pay subsidised price anyway?
We pay the full price regardless. Subsidy or not. Though, it's a tad easier to negotiate some credits with retentions if you don't have a highly subsidized handset.
Add one more to that. I friend of mine is a die hard MS fanboy and I'm sure will be buying one on release day. Truth is, of all my friends, colleagues and acquaintances, he's the only person I know who owns a Zune player (3 actually).
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Originally Posted by Hattig
...Even corporates are using the iPhone, and that's where Microsoft would have had a chance to sell Windows Mobile 7 devices - except that being incompatible and with its unprofessional user interface it's not going to be all that desirable for corporates even.
Agreed, I really can't see the UI of WP7 being terribly popular with the corporate crowd. To me, it seems much more tailored to the social networking crowd and the like.
You speak the tooth. To me, the most important price is outright/unlocked. I will never be tied down to a contract, never, particularly not in Canada because they are 3-years long!!!
That's what's even keeping me from considering the iPhone. 3 years is ridiculous. They'll offer other smartphones on 2 year contracts. But the iPhone is usually 3 years or nothing. I say nuts to that!
I ditched Rogers. Got a Nexus One on Wind. Soft cap unlimited data beats the pants off anything Rogers will ever offer with the iPhone. Heck, that 6GB for $30 isn't even a regular offer. And the overage rates are horrendous. With Wind, I got no overages, just some throttling if I go over 5GB. And even that's traffic dependent. If you're using data at a tower that's uncongested, no throttling.
I'll get an iPhone, when Apple gets the Canadian Big 3 in line with the rest of the world. Otherwise, I can actually see people migrating away from the iPhone in the rush to leave the Big 3 and embrace the new carriers....which run on AWS....hence no iPhone. Now if Apple wants to put out a new iPhone compatible with T-Mo USA and all the new entrants in Canada....that's a different story.
That is my question too. Unless they give it for free to manufacturers, they'll never get enough models' support to reach that sales figure. And with iPhone 4G (and then 5G + multiple carriers in 2011) competition... poor delusional M$FT
Likely they have manufacturers already set up, and based on response from them, they forecast sales figures.
Isn't Windows Phone meant to be a hardware product from Microsoft? Like Zune and XBox and Keyboards?
Nope. It's an OS like Android. Others will build the hardware. Expect HTC to be at the top of the list, after Apple cut them that side deal on their patents issue.
Will be a difficult choice for many. Stylus or style?
I thought no stylus. It's all being revamped to be touch-based.
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Originally Posted by gctwnl
Seriously, it looked pretty good on the surface. OTOH, this being the Microsoft Juggernaut, they'll probably fail at producing something decent. And then there is the fact that they have not got an app ecosystem.
Don't quote me on this, but I have heard people say that developing for WinPho 7 is a lot better than developing for any other platform. If that's true they'll be able to build an ecosystem more easily. Whether that ecosystem is as vibrant as Apple's or what Google's slowly building up is a different question.
Agreed, I really can't see the UI of WP7 being terribly popular with the corporate crowd. To me, it seems much more tailored to the social networking crowd and the like.
Agreed. I see this platform as the new home of the Twitteratti.
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Hoping didn't work for me either.
At least one. And a stylus.
Will be a difficult choice for many. Stylus or style?
Seriously, it looked pretty good on the surface. OTOH, this being the Microsoft Juggernaut, they'll probably fail at producing something decent. And then there is the fact that they have not got an app ecosystem.
With only 7.7 million Android phones shipped in 2009 (roughly 10 different models) how on earth do Microsoft think they can ship 30 million?
Could be around 35 million this year though (if the 100,000 activations a day stays steady).
Android was very new last year, most phones weren't out until the final quarter.
I think the market has decided on iPhone and Android already. Even corporates are using the iPhone, and that's where Microsoft would have had a chance to sell Windows Mobile 7 devices - except that being incompatible and with its unprofessional user interface it's not going to be all that desirable for corporates even.
Here's where this story is garbage.
MS unlike Apple doesn't have hardware of their own. So,what that 30 million projection should say is that MS hopes that their hardware partners can crank out 30 million phones carrying the windows mobile 7 OS. Period.
That is the same misinterpreted info given when Android phones are talked about. Android and winmo mobile 7 are OSes sold by competing cell phone makers.
That is the right way of telling the story.
Isn't Windows Phone meant to be a hardware product from Microsoft? Like Zune and XBox and Keyboards?
I must say, Ballmer is incredibly optimistic about WP7, maybe there are things we all don't know about yet for this unreleased OS. But then again, this is M$ we're talking about, there are enough people that like their products to actually go out and use their haphazard technology.
Ballmer is nothing if not optimistic or perhaps just thick skinned! Most people would have resigned long ago after such a career of utter abysmal failures. Personally I hope he has tenure for life.
What a pathetic joke. That hideous excuse for an OS is going to sell itself on 30 million phones? Not a chance in the world.
Maybe Ballmer is going to achieve this by giving one free to every Zune owner ... Oh wait a minute .
What cracks me up is the enthusiasm for 7. Let's be honest, it is better than Vista. However, it is what MS should have released as an OS 15 years ago.
Typical Microsoft. Announcing the product long before it arrives (if it arrives, anybody remember Cairo and Longhorn?) in the hopes that people will wait for "the Microsoft version". The world is different now. There are real alternatives and no developer is going to invest serious money in Windows Phone 7 on the basis of hopeful announcements about a non-shipping product.
Not only do we have alternatives IMHO MS have lost credibility in the eyes of many. They are becoming the Buick of the tech world. Driven by old farts and always slow and in the way.
Do you get sim-only prices or do you have to pay subsidised price anyway?
We pay the full price regardless. Subsidy or not. Though, it's a tad easier to negotiate some credits with retentions if you don't have a highly subsidized handset.
1 down - 29,999.999 to go...
Add one more to that. I friend of mine is a die hard MS fanboy and I'm sure will be buying one on release day. Truth is, of all my friends, colleagues and acquaintances, he's the only person I know who owns a Zune player (3 actually).
...Even corporates are using the iPhone, and that's where Microsoft would have had a chance to sell Windows Mobile 7 devices - except that being incompatible and with its unprofessional user interface it's not going to be all that desirable for corporates even.
Agreed, I really can't see the UI of WP7 being terribly popular with the corporate crowd. To me, it seems much more tailored to the social networking crowd and the like.
does anyone know of any "cool" devices that are supposed to debut with Windows phone 7? iPhone
http://www.engadget.com/photos/dell-...ice-leaks-out/
You speak the tooth. To me, the most important price is outright/unlocked. I will never be tied down to a contract, never, particularly not in Canada because they are 3-years long!!!
That's what's even keeping me from considering the iPhone. 3 years is ridiculous. They'll offer other smartphones on 2 year contracts. But the iPhone is usually 3 years or nothing. I say nuts to that!
I ditched Rogers. Got a Nexus One on Wind. Soft cap unlimited data beats the pants off anything Rogers will ever offer with the iPhone. Heck, that 6GB for $30 isn't even a regular offer. And the overage rates are horrendous. With Wind, I got no overages, just some throttling if I go over 5GB. And even that's traffic dependent. If you're using data at a tower that's uncongested, no throttling.
I'll get an iPhone, when Apple gets the Canadian Big 3 in line with the rest of the world. Otherwise, I can actually see people migrating away from the iPhone in the rush to leave the Big 3 and embrace the new carriers....which run on AWS....hence no iPhone. Now if Apple wants to put out a new iPhone compatible with T-Mo USA and all the new entrants in Canada....that's a different story.
That is my question too. Unless they give it for free to manufacturers, they'll never get enough models' support to reach that sales figure. And with iPhone 4G (and then 5G + multiple carriers in 2011) competition... poor delusional M$FT
Likely they have manufacturers already set up, and based on response from them, they forecast sales figures.
Isn't Windows Phone meant to be a hardware product from Microsoft? Like Zune and XBox and Keyboards?
Nope. It's an OS like Android. Others will build the hardware. Expect HTC to be at the top of the list, after Apple cut them that side deal on their patents issue.
Will be a difficult choice for many. Stylus or style?
I thought no stylus. It's all being revamped to be touch-based.
Seriously, it looked pretty good on the surface. OTOH, this being the Microsoft Juggernaut, they'll probably fail at producing something decent. And then there is the fact that they have not got an app ecosystem.
Don't quote me on this, but I have heard people say that developing for WinPho 7 is a lot better than developing for any other platform. If that's true they'll be able to build an ecosystem more easily. Whether that ecosystem is as vibrant as Apple's or what Google's slowly building up is a different question.
Agreed, I really can't see the UI of WP7 being terribly popular with the corporate crowd. To me, it seems much more tailored to the social networking crowd and the like.
Agreed. I see this platform as the new home of the Twitteratti.
With only 7.7 million Android phones shipped in 2009 (roughly 10 different models) how on earth do Microsoft think they can ship 30 million?
Windows has more mindshare than Android. Everybody in the whole world knows "Windows".