MONEY IS NOT THE ANSWER AND WILL NOT STOP SUICIDES... FOXCONN needs a change in their working environment and stop running their shops like a military operation.
You do realize that China is a COMMUNIST country? Meanwhile, suicides are on the rise in the US due to our lousy economy and companies don't give a damn. Would love to see any company in the US give their employees a 20% increase in pay to improve morale. Unfortunately, that will NEVER happen in the US.
me as the rest of China and that clears Foxconn of any wrong doing I greatly disagree with. I don't know how many employees they have, but I'm going to guess-timate it's a few hundred or a couple thousand, to compare the suicide rate of maybe 1000-2000 employees to over 1 billion is not fair to me.
400,000 or 800,000 employees, depending on the source.
Hey way to ingratiate yourself with the forum. Nothing like politely pointing out an error. Should we all be as perfect as you'd like
oohhh...am i ingratiated now? feels good.
look it..we come here for knowledge, and to read something as poorly written as this article was, well, I can complain if I want. If the powers that be here don't want me to comment any more, then they'll ban me. I could really care less what you think.
The suicide rate at FoxConn is actually lower than the US average.
Are you sure about this? I read that FoxConn has 425,000 employees there. That makes it a little smaller than a city the size of San Jose or even San Francisco; but,I don't think those cities have suicide over 10 suicides a year, do they?
What critics here continue to conveniently ignore (or deny) is that Foxconn's labor force is bigger than many cities. They employ HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS of workers. Workers of all kinds of life and backgrounds. Workers with the same kind of internal problems as folks everywhere else in the world.
If 10 people out of 400,000+ is so horrible, then why are there suicides here in the U.S. then? I live in San Francisco, right next to the bridge with the highest suicide rate in the world. Why then would people here who do not have the same horrible living conditions as what folks here state is prevelant in Chinese factories choose to end their lives?
Perhaps there are other issues? In addition to low wages, those people could have had mental issues, got dumped by their girlfriend / wife, kids were run over by train and could not deal with it, who knows?
Get all the facts before you shoot out conspiracy theories. Perhaps the next time I hear of a suicide at a company here in San Francisco, I'll demand they close up shop and move operations overseas.
look it..we come here for knowledge, and to read something as poorly written as this article was, well, I can complain if I want. If the powers that be here don't want me to comment any more, then they'll ban me. I could really care less what you think.
As I am sure you know, it's 'couldn't care less' to mean what you mean. If you 'could care less' then clearly there is still a way to go in your caring, be it more or less. I appreciate there is an on going debate on this very phrase here in this forum and many argue that the language is evolving and degenerative grammar such as this is acceptable if it is in common usage enough. However, that said, as a purist I know you will agree with me
BTW, what does 'look it' mean? You have the better of me there.
p.s. I was only pulling your leg by the way in the first post (as I am here).
I think the problem is not that typical Americans aren't willing to work for decent wages, it's that the freaking top guys aren't willing to work for less than $hundreds of millions.
The CEOs of all of these Americans companies are freaking greedy SOBs that don't give a crap about America, suicides in China, or anything else. They only care about themselves...
Please name a period in the history of the world, or economic system, where this has not been the case. Everybody jokes about Ronald Reagan's "trickle down" economic theory but this is exactly how the world always has and always will work. There has never been a political or economic revolution that has changed this basic fact. Even Jesus Christ himself said, "The poor will always be with us" and he was the quintessential communist of all time.
Again, these reps should just make their presence known that they are there for the welfare and benefit of the employee to be able to come and speak up when conditions warrant like massive overtime or worse, OT with no pay, no days off, no holidays off or whatever is bothering them.
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My guess is that companies like Apple get the best prices when they leave these things up to the manufacturing company. Apple seems to get good deals, despite having minimum standards in their contracts.
But to have any enforcement in the factory, able to slow production or veto overtime or dictate that no more chemicals be used until the respirator shipment arrives - well, I think that costs money.
Stateside production would require much higher degree of automation to occur.
It would be great if Apple partnered with an American industrial robotics company and revolutionized manufacturing in the US like Henry Ford did. My guess, and I hope I'm right, is that we have some of the finest minds in the world at Steve's disposal.
Hey way to ingratiate yourself with the forum. Nothing like politely pointing out an error. Should we all be as perfect as you'd like
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
As I am sure you know, it's 'couldn't care less' to mean what you mean. If you 'could care less' then clearly there is still a way to go in your caring, be it more or less. I appreciate there is an on going debate on this very phrase here in this forum and many argue that the language is evolving and degenerative grammar such as this is acceptable if it is in common usage enough. However, that said, as a purist I know you will agree with me
BTW, what does 'look it' mean? You have the better of me there.
p.s. I was only pulling your leg by the way in the first post (as I am here).
good one with the "look it"...wow, using old and familiar phrases will come back to haunt you for sure.
I'm fooling around myself, it's a slow Friday and that sentence about "creating" products just irked me, they clearly do not create products, and the writer should have known better.
Furthermore, my "couldn't care less" comment is accurate as I do indeed care about the transfer of knowledge, otherwise I wouldn't have put in the time to comment, be it positive or negative. It's unfortunate, but it's the little mistakes like this that start the rumors: "Oh, Apple didn't create the iPad, their manufacturer did. I read it on Apple Insider!".
It's incumbent upon Apple Insider as a self professed disseminator of knowledge to be accurate in all that they do. We as consumers of that knowledge should be diligent in holding them to that level of professionalism and accuracy. I'm just sayin'.... :-)
They don't necessarily have to move manufacturing back to the US. Apple could set up its own manufacturing infrastructure in China or India. This way they keep the profits Foxcon makes and can have better control over manufacturing and labour conditions, etc.
It is a bastardized contraction of "look at this", usually used prior to stating a conclusion which the speaker mistakes for a fact.
so if I understand you, you're saying that my statements following my use of "look it" are false. If so, then I guess people who come here are not looking for knowledge? And if Apple Insider folks did not approve of my comments they wouldn't ban me? Whatever Stevie...have a nice day.
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...It creates iPhones and iPads for the Cupertino, Calif., company...
OMG...is english your second language?? They DO NOT CREATE anything, they manufacture products. Unbelievable...these editors are surprisingly poor.
as Bugs Bunny used to say: "What a bunch of moroons"
MONEY IS NOT THE ANSWER AND WILL NOT STOP SUICIDES... FOXCONN needs a change in their working environment and stop running their shops like a military operation.
You do realize that China is a COMMUNIST country? Meanwhile, suicides are on the rise in the US due to our lousy economy and companies don't give a damn. Would love to see any company in the US give their employees a 20% increase in pay to improve morale. Unfortunately, that will NEVER happen in the US.
me as the rest of China and that clears Foxconn of any wrong doing I greatly disagree with. I don't know how many employees they have, but I'm going to guess-timate it's a few hundred or a couple thousand, to compare the suicide rate of maybe 1000-2000 employees to over 1 billion is not fair to me.
400,000 or 800,000 employees, depending on the source.
How does that affect your comparison?
OMG...is english your second language?? They DO NOT CREATE anything, they manufacture products. Unbelievable...these editors are surprisingly poor.
as Bugs Bunny used to say: "What a bunch of moroons"
Hey way to ingratiate yourself with the forum. Nothing like politely pointing out an error. Should we all be as perfect as you'd like
Hey way to ingratiate yourself with the forum. Nothing like politely pointing out an error. Should we all be as perfect as you'd like
oohhh...am i ingratiated now? feels good.
look it..we come here for knowledge, and to read something as poorly written as this article was, well, I can complain if I want. If the powers that be here don't want me to comment any more, then they'll ban me. I could really care less what you think.
Facts are such funny things.
The suicide rate at FoxConn is actually lower than the US average.
Are you sure about this? I read that FoxConn has 425,000 employees there. That makes it a little smaller than a city the size of San Jose or even San Francisco; but,I don't think those cities have suicide over 10 suicides a year, do they?
If 10 people out of 400,000+ is so horrible, then why are there suicides here in the U.S. then? I live in San Francisco, right next to the bridge with the highest suicide rate in the world. Why then would people here who do not have the same horrible living conditions as what folks here state is prevelant in Chinese factories choose to end their lives?
Perhaps there are other issues? In addition to low wages, those people could have had mental issues, got dumped by their girlfriend / wife, kids were run over by train and could not deal with it, who knows?
Get all the facts before you shoot out conspiracy theories. Perhaps the next time I hear of a suicide at a company here in San Francisco, I'll demand they close up shop and move operations overseas.
oohhh...am i ingratiated now? feels good.
look it..we come here for knowledge, and to read something as poorly written as this article was, well, I can complain if I want. If the powers that be here don't want me to comment any more, then they'll ban me. I could really care less what you think.
As I am sure you know, it's 'couldn't care less' to mean what you mean. If you 'could care less' then clearly there is still a way to go in your caring, be it more or less. I appreciate there is an on going debate on this very phrase here in this forum and many argue that the language is evolving and degenerative grammar such as this is acceptable if it is in common usage enough. However, that said, as a purist I know you will agree with me
BTW, what does 'look it' mean? You have the better of me there.
p.s. I was only pulling your leg by the way in the first post (as I am here).
I think the problem is not that typical Americans aren't willing to work for decent wages, it's that the freaking top guys aren't willing to work for less than $hundreds of millions.
The CEOs of all of these Americans companies are freaking greedy SOBs that don't give a crap about America, suicides in China, or anything else. They only care about themselves...
Please name a period in the history of the world, or economic system, where this has not been the case. Everybody jokes about Ronald Reagan's "trickle down" economic theory but this is exactly how the world always has and always will work. There has never been a political or economic revolution that has changed this basic fact. Even Jesus Christ himself said, "The poor will always be with us" and he was the quintessential communist of all time.
I've said this before, time for Apple to take the lead and move production back to the USA.
Hear Hear!
Again, these reps should just make their presence known that they are there for the welfare and benefit of the employee to be able to come and speak up when conditions warrant like massive overtime or worse, OT with no pay, no days off, no holidays off or whatever is bothering them.
/
My guess is that companies like Apple get the best prices when they leave these things up to the manufacturing company. Apple seems to get good deals, despite having minimum standards in their contracts.
But to have any enforcement in the factory, able to slow production or veto overtime or dictate that no more chemicals be used until the respirator shipment arrives - well, I think that costs money.
Stateside production would require much higher degree of automation to occur.
It would be great if Apple partnered with an American industrial robotics company and revolutionized manufacturing in the US like Henry Ford did. My guess, and I hope I'm right, is that we have some of the finest minds in the world at Steve's disposal.
Hey way to ingratiate yourself with the forum. Nothing like politely pointing out an error. Should we all be as perfect as you'd like
As I am sure you know, it's 'couldn't care less' to mean what you mean. If you 'could care less' then clearly there is still a way to go in your caring, be it more or less. I appreciate there is an on going debate on this very phrase here in this forum and many argue that the language is evolving and degenerative grammar such as this is acceptable if it is in common usage enough. However, that said, as a purist I know you will agree with me
BTW, what does 'look it' mean? You have the better of me there.
p.s. I was only pulling your leg by the way in the first post (as I am here).
good one with the "look it"...wow, using old and familiar phrases will come back to haunt you for sure.
I'm fooling around myself, it's a slow Friday and that sentence about "creating" products just irked me, they clearly do not create products, and the writer should have known better.
Furthermore, my "couldn't care less" comment is accurate as I do indeed care about the transfer of knowledge, otherwise I wouldn't have put in the time to comment, be it positive or negative. It's unfortunate, but it's the little mistakes like this that start the rumors: "Oh, Apple didn't create the iPad, their manufacturer did. I read it on Apple Insider!".
It's incumbent upon Apple Insider as a self professed disseminator of knowledge to be accurate in all that they do. We as consumers of that knowledge should be diligent in holding them to that level of professionalism and accuracy. I'm just sayin'.... :-)
Peace
(unless 5,000 Chinese committed suicide in the last week).
Assuming a population of 1.4 billion, that would be 3.571428571428571e-8% Chinese citizens committed suicide last week.
My WAG is that more than 5000 committed suicide last week.
I don't know how many employees they have, but I'm going to guess-timate it's a few hundred or a couple thousand, .
400,000 is the number being quoted.
You may want to stop making guesses now.
oohhh...am i ingratiated now? feels good.
Not to be hyper-technical, but actually, you have now been gratiated.
BTW, what does 'look it' mean? You have the better of me there.
It is a bastardized contraction of "look at this", usually used prior to stating a conclusion which the speaker mistakes for a fact.
It is a bastardized contraction of "look at this", usually used prior to stating a conclusion which the speaker mistakes for a fact.
so if I understand you, you're saying that my statements following my use of "look it" are false. If so, then I guess people who come here are not looking for knowledge? And if Apple Insider folks did not approve of my comments they wouldn't ban me? Whatever Stevie...have a nice day.
I've said this before, time for Apple to take the lead and move production back to the USA.
At best this shows ignorance since there will be no sold phones from anyone at the cost increase that would cause.