AT&T caps new iPhone, iPad data plans at 2GB, announces tethering

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  • Reply 221 of 359
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by peteo View Post


    You dont get it. The towers, internet lines, the routers, the spectrum licenses all have to be paid for REGARDLESS if you use 1k or 5 gigs. the cost must be spread out. The cost of sending the actuality bits to your computer is almost nothing (unlike, water, gas, electric) its the infrastructure to get it to you that costs the most money.





    You don't get it. I'm a network engineer....been one for almost 20 years now. Networks cost money.....an awful lot of money. The more bandwidth that you use, the more routers you need as well as higher speed links, backhaul circuits, cell phone towers, etc.



    You think just like the FCC.....that all of this should be free.
  • Reply 222 of 359
    I went into an AT&T store today to confirm the news. Their suggestion?



    Hold onto your unlimited plan for as long as you can.
  • Reply 223 of 359
    cameronjcameronj Posts: 2,357member
    I've got no problem with the cap - if its really true that it only affects 2% of users, it's a great trade off for the other 98% of us. I'm a heavy user - I have an exchange account + gmail, I use logmein to support computers from my phone, and download podcasts daily (over wifi or 3G whatever is convenient). I stream pandora at times. I've used 5 GB of data in the 4 months between Feb 1 and June 1. If all my use averages only 1.25 GB, then I find lowering the price to $25 for most users and allowing heavy users to pay for the strain they put on the network is a perfect trade.
  • Reply 224 of 359
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post


    I should have clarified. The 6 GB in Canada was a limited time offer. Typical plans offer only 500 MB, but tethering is still free.



    Well, it was a limited time promo but they have run it with both of the Canadian iPhone launches, opened it to other devices and it ran for months both times (IIRC). At this point, if you need it, it will come back.



    Also, with Fido they recently added a couple new retentions plans to counter Wind defections. You can get a pretty good voice plan for $50 if you threaten to leave (pretty much unlimited except for long distance) and for $30 more you can add the 6GB of data on top.



    Also, tethering is included on all plans except the 500MB (unless you have a grandfather plan, which did include tethering at 500MB). But any plans over 1GB have it included.



    Basically, Rogers/Fido's attitude to this point is "you are paying for a specific amount of data, so why should we care how you use that data? If you go over your allotment, whether you tether or not, we charge more for overages, so great. If you don't go over, whether you tether or not, we were paid for data you didn't use, so great"
  • Reply 225 of 359
    hellacoolhellacool Posts: 759member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by O-Mac View Post


    what do you need tethering for if you have a smartphone?

    and do you really need to be online so much?



    people, get your heads out of your laptops and enjoy the outdoors a little. talk to someone face to face. lose some weight!!



    Yeah that's it, how about when I am stuck in an airport for 4 hours and need to get some work done? Or stuck in a crappy hotel with crappy wifi and need to get some work done? Ill get my head out of my laptop if you get your out of your A$$.
  • Reply 226 of 359
    hellacoolhellacool Posts: 759member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by walshbj View Post


    I don't buy that tethering argument. You paid for what the phone could consume. Not your computer's consumption appetite.



    Free mints in a restaurant: you put a couple in your pocket. You don't bring in a wheelbarrow and demand all the mints in the storeroom.



    What? Free mints. If they restaurant gives me two mints why should I pay the restaurant to let my kids eat my two mints? 2GB is 2GB no matter how I consume it, if I consume more then I pay. Your analogy is way off.
  • Reply 227 of 359
    masternavmasternav Posts: 442member
    double posted - see below
  • Reply 228 of 359
    masternavmasternav Posts: 442member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post


    Not really. All it takes is one carrier to stay with unlimited and the others will soon have to go back. Back when cell phones first came out I paid $50 a month for 30 mins. As carriers increased data and eventually offered unlimited, all the rest had to follow suit. AT$T only gets away with this because they are the only ones carrying the iPhone, we have no other options if we want an iPhone. As soon as another carrier gets the iPhone they will want to draw customers, how will they do it, offer unlimited data and AT&T customers will flock. This is why AT$t raised the ETF and is trying hard to lock people into new two year contracts. They know customers do not have a choice but once they do they have allot to account for.



    Let's adjust those expectations just a titch: "All it takes is one MAJOR carrier..." the locals can squirm all they want but it only impacts a limited user group. It has to be between the big players - primarily Sprint/Nextel, ATT and Verizon. And while they like jacking each other, they only have so much room to play with, so they aren't going to do much beyond what the cable and DSL and satellite companies do to each other, offer limited time discounts that existing customers can't use, in order to pull some vagabond users from other carriers. And with all the other complaints cited here, not to mention the reluctant Verizon customers who just had to have an iPhone, it will take more than just some temporary price reduction to pull them back to ATT if the iPhone goes to Verizon. Plus we have NO definitive indication that the Verizon network will be able to handle the data use any better than the ATT system has. The best you have is maybe fewer dropped calls. Maybe.



    There will some migration back to Verizon, some vagabonds who want to try out Verizon after being on ATT, and Verizon may well offer some attractive terms to try and recover some of the customers lost to ATT, but once things regularize the data plans will not come down in price, they will increase and they will continue to play with your affections until you are a bitter and disillusioned customer or numb or uncaring. Youneed to look carefully at how the industry has operated over the last couple of decades and see the trends for what they are.



  • Reply 229 of 359
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by scotty321 View Post


    The name of this article should really be changed to:



    AT&T nearly doubles the cost of 5 GB of data for users, from $30 per month to $55 per month



    OR



    AT&T finally announces tethering... (not that you can use it!)
  • Reply 230 of 359
    rhyderhyde Posts: 294member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Katonah View Post


    So... with this new plan I can pay $25 (instead of the current $30), and add $20 for tethering, and use the tethering to get 3G service on my iPad, thus allowing me to avoid paying $30 per month for the iPad 3G service? Or am I missing something?



    Can you tether an iPad to an iPhone?
  • Reply 231 of 359
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,872member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post


    It's a lot more than you think. I was away on vacation for a week.....I surfed/emailed extensively! My data usage for that month?....202MB.



    I do not want to pay for someone else's data hogging.



    You can quite easily go through 1GB/week on an iPad. Remember, it's not just web surfing and email, it's also network access by apps, any transaction with the App Store (or iTunes, generally), including app updates.



    Given that $30/month for unlimited data was advertised by AT&T as an inducement to buy a device that connects to their network, changing it to 2GB/month, 1 month after that device became available, and customers purchased it with the expectation of data at a specified cost, is classic bait and switch. Remember, if you don't currently have an active data plan with AT&T you aren't an existing customer, and you were supposed to be able to signup for and discontinue these plans at will.
  • Reply 232 of 359
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 770member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    Only the true data hogs will be paying more. On another web site some poster was lamenting that he used something like 60GB/mo all the time. That's the type that needs to pay a lot more. That's a real data hog.



    I agree. While this won't affect me because I am grandfathered in and only use a GB or so per month, the price was $30 for a soft 5 GB limit (even if ATT did not enforce the limit which is their own fault) for a cost of $6 per GB. Now it is $25.00 for 2 GB for a cost of $12.50 GB. While I am all for someone using 60 GB a month paying more (I would prefer something in the middle like a flat $ 8 per GB and it is fair to all users depending on their use) using 5 GB is not in the same league as someone using 60 GB and ATT should have put in a plan to curb that sort of abuse, not go after those in the currently acceptable 5GB usage range.
  • Reply 233 of 359
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by old-wiz View Post


    Now that AT&T has all those customers and all the demand from iPhones and iPads, they have a captive market and can charge whatever they d*** well please, although existing customers can keep their unlimited plans



    and your point is?

    Current customers can continue to pay what they are currently paying or not. How is that bad?
  • Reply 234 of 359
    iguesssoiguessso Posts: 132member
    On Monday Steve will announce the iVOIP.



    3G, GPS, OS4, no voice plan needed, no-contract iPad style data plan.



    16GB WiFi: $299

    32GB WiFi: $399



    16GB 3G: $399

    32GB 3G: $499.



    Take that, AT&T!
  • Reply 235 of 359
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rhyde View Post


    Can you tether an iPad to an iPhone?



    Steve said earlier that the WIFI iPad wouldn't support tethering and if you wanted 3G get the 3G version.... Something like that... I guess Apples feeling was, if everyone thought the iPad could 'soon' get 3G off an iPhone then not as many 3G iPads would sell.
  • Reply 236 of 359
    walshbjwalshbj Posts: 864member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post


    What? Free mints. If they restaurant gives me two mints why should I pay the restaurant to let my kids eat my two mints? 2GB is 2GB no matter how I consume it, if I consume more then I pay. Your analogy is way off.



    I admit it's not a perfect analogy. The point is the pricing is based on the tool you have to consume the data: an iPhone. A different tool you could consume data with is a computer. It consumes more. They know you're NOT using a computer so the pricing is lower for the plan based on that fact.



    The mints are provided because you'll be carrying them in your pocket - not a wheelbarrow. Some people will take two, some will take three, nobody will take 5000.



    The problem is that people are trying to make a tiered system have perfectly matched usage. That doesn't work. Some people fall under the tier limit, others exceed it. many of those complaining are seeking a charge by the bit plan.



    Like I said, do you really want to pay by the bit?



    Before you shoot this idea down try thinking it through and realizing that you're not paying by the bit so you won't match the allowance.
  • Reply 237 of 359
    To everyone bitching about this: PLEASE do all of us that have some sense a favor and switch to Verizon/Sprint/Tmobile/<insert favorite carrier>. Do you honestly think that Verizon, etc isn't going to follow suit? How long did it take for AT&T to match Verizon's unlimited pricing when they announced it a few months ago? Not even 24 hours if I recall...



    By the way - tethering your phone to a laptop is not the same as using the Internet on the phone. Nor is it the same as washing the dishes with your 5000 gal allotment of water for your house. It's more like owning two houses side by side with water service only at one of the houses and then running a hose over the fence to supply the other house.



    Oh, and one more thing - if you're using more than 2GB of Data on your phone inside of 30 days, you might consider walking out of your mom's basement, getting a job, and making some friends.
  • Reply 238 of 359
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
    Here's all I'd like to know.

    How do I shut down ALL data on my iPhone to ensure that I'm not accidentally connecting when I'm away from wifi?

    I can turn off 3G, but that leaves Edge running.

    I can go into Airplane mode, then turn wifi back on, but then my phone is off.



    2 gripes I have about my iPhone are:

    1) Lack of certainty that I'm not actually using wireless (so that I can better control it), and

    2) Lack of 'one-click' tools to turn specific features on or off. I shouldn't have to drill down to do simple things like turn bluetooth or wireless on/off.
  • Reply 239 of 359
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    The moaning and wailing and caterwauling here is out-of-control. Pathetic, really.



    Pay for what you eat!




    Totally agree. But that's not what AT&T is offering.

    They're saying 'pay 1/2 of what you pay now to get 1/5 of the service.'



    If they simply implemented a rate per 1/2 gig, that would be totally fair.

    That's not what they're doing.
  • Reply 240 of 359
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    Here's all I'd like to know.

    How do I shut down ALL data on my iPhone to ensure that I'm not accidentally connecting when I'm away from wifi?

    I can turn off 3G, but that leaves Edge running.

    I can go into Airplane mode, then turn wifi back on, but then my phone is off.



    2 gripes I have about my iPhone are:

    1) Lack of certainty that I'm not actually using wireless (so that I can better control it), and

    2) Lack of 'one-click' tools to turn specific features on or off. I shouldn't have to drill down to do simple things like turn bluetooth or wireless on/off.



    iPhone v4.0 has this feature, which is one reason why many have expected this change from AT&T. The other being AT&T saying that Unlimited was not likely to remain a constant.
    I agree with one-click options for certain settings. They offer the 3-press Home Button setup, but it's nothing very useful to most users. I'd like to have an option to put a few settings in a list in an order I choose. At least, have it auto access that particular Settings page without a length "drill down".



    PS: A potential "feature" has been found in v4.0. If you take the Lock button thres-times-fast it will make the screen a flashlight. Since it doesn't auto-increase the brightness to full and it doesn't seem to work on all iPhones it may just be a bug.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    Totally agree. But that's not what AT&T is offering.

    They're saying 'pay 1/2 of what you pay now to get 1/5 of the service.'



    If they simply implemented a rate per 1/2 gig, that would be totally fair.

    That's not what they're doing.



    How do you figure? 1/2 the price for 1/5 the service has no fixed integer for an Unlimited plan.



    You can say you will pay 17% less for the new 2GB plan than with the $30/month Unlimited plan, which I am sure most people will fall under.



    Have you checked your AT&T usage for the last 6 months? Mine are all under 2GB now that I'm not tethering.
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