I'd like to see a 3:1 optical zoom and image Stabilization, along with a stronger flash.
Mmm... Image stabilization. FCS has that capability after the fact (post processing). I have a VideoCam with special circuity? to do that.
Question: Shouldn't a [relatively powerful] general purpose CPU along with a GPU and some DSP and FFT APIs be able to handle that in real time? As part of the video capture/encoding process?
I would like to see an iPad version of FCS Motion.
No it was your apparent lack of understanding of these things that was making your comments nonsensical.
Cut the snark and explain what you mean and why melgross is wrong.
Or move along. Because, at this point, you're just coming through as being passive-aggressive and not particularly interested (or helpful) in advancing the discussion.
When I go outside and look up at the sky, I never see any banding, but in many 24 bit digital photos, the sky shows banding because there aren't enough pixels on the screen to cover the colors required to reproduce the image accurately.
That does come to mind -- sure. But you'd need a super fast video compressor-decompressor and lose a lot of quality to MASTER video in 17 Gigs.
Apple's Intermediate CODEC is good for editing video. But more or less, I'd say that in REAL WORLD terms, you need about 3X the storage space of the Time of the video on a FINAL HD CODEC. When you layer graphics you've got the source, and then you've got the rendering of the layers in a much less compressed codec.
On top of that, you MIGHT be doing something more than just video editing. My 16 Gig iPod Touch is full to the brim, and that's without ANY video editing going on. So maybe I slim it down to 8 Gigs, and then add all the newer LARGER apps that will be designed for the new HD platform...
... So, by my rough estimate -- a REAL HD video will require about a Gig a Minute -- but for people doing that home movie who can't tell a compressed SD from an HD signal -- maybe they can do an hour with 18 Gigs of free space.
I have a Panisonic Lumix camera that records compressed 720p HD video with stereo. It will record 4 hours in 32 gigs of memory at it's highest quality setting. It uses an AVCHD Lite compression. I would assume Apple would have some comparable codec that would give similar results.
There were various apps that implemented it via the accelerometer, but I don't recall if Apple actually added it via the OS. Anyone know for sure?
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Mmm... Image stabilization. FCS has that capability after the fact (post processing). I have a VideoCam with special circuity? to do that.
Question: Shouldn't a [relatively powerful] CP CPU along with a GPU and some DSP and FFT APIs be able to handle that in real time? As part of the video capture/encoding process?
I would like to see an iPad version of FCS Motion.
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I haven't seen the apps that say they give stabilization. Any names I could try out?
I suppose they could do it in a number of ways. they first need a sensor with more pixels than they use for the image, so that they can have enough around the edges to move the image around to counter the shake. After that, it's however they can get to the info before it's actually recorded so they can work with it. As long as they can get to the hardware, it would be ok. The big thing is the chip though.
I haven't seen the apps that say they give stabilization. Any names I could try out?
I suppose they could do it in a number of ways. they first need a sensor with more pixels than they use for the image, so that they can have enough around the edges to move the image around to counter the shake. After that, it's however they can get to the info before it's actually recorded so they can work with it. As long as they can get to the hardware, it would be ok. The big thing is the chip though.
ProCamera comes to mind. Just found another called 'Night Camera'. They use the accelerometer to detect relatively 'quiet' moments when the phone isn't moving around much. I haven't tried any of them however.
ProCamera comes to mind. Just found another called 'Night Camera'. They use the accelerometer to detect relatively 'quiet' moments when the phone isn't moving around much. I haven't tried any of them however.
I just opened iTunes and typed "camera" into the app store. BOY! That's a lot of camera apps. I lost track of most of them long ago.
Night Camera uses the accelerometer to find when the camera is moving the least, and then takes the pic. Possibly useful. The problem is that it's not actually stabilizing the image, and you may miss the pic if it waits too long.
Pro Camera says "Anti-Shake", but doesn't say how it works, so I just popped for the big $1.99 to try it out. I'm syncing now.
Probably in the same place as those "Who cares about a flash with a camera phone?" naysayers. And the "Who cares about multitasking?" naysayers. And the "Who cares about copy and paste?" naysayers. But those naysayers will try to backtrack and claim that they never dismissed those features, and that they have always liked Apple to add them.
I cannot remember many people saying that these features were absolutely useless. Of course they are useful. Its really more a matter of their over all importance. Many of us argued that Apple would slowly evolve the iPhone to include these features, and that is exactly what they've done.
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As far as flash with a camera phone, well, it's marginally useful. I would have preferred if Apple used two diodes. One, even if it is the Phillips one, isn't terribly strong. I would really have loved to see a ring flash using several.
I'm not that big of a fan of flash photography as most people don't really know how to properly use it. Often they end up washing out skin tones or provide too harsh of a light in a persons face. All in all it can easily make a bad picture.
I haven't seen the apps that say they give stabilization. Any names I could try out?
I suppose they could do it in a number of ways. they first need a sensor with more pixels than they use for the image, so that they can have enough around the edges to move the image around to counter the shake. After that, it's however they can get to the info before it's actually recorded so they can work with it. As long as they can get to the hardware, it would be ok. The big thing is the chip though.
I wasn't clear... I don't know of any apps that provide image stabilization... I was asking if it's possible on an iPad with a video captured on an iPhone 4-- when both have iOS 4.
Here's a couple of quick and dirty iMac iMovie examples (not stabilized) that I want do do (or have one of the grandkids do) on the iPhone / iPad when we're out and about on those long Saturdays from Jul - Nov.
I'm not that big of a fan of flash photography as most people don't really know how to properly use it. Often they end up washing out skin tones or provide too harsh of a light in a persons face. All in all it can easily make a bad picture.
No argument there. It's just that between the poor sensitivity of these tiny sensors, and the really slow lenses they're coupled with, a flash will help. They're really just intended for a portrait shot at close distance. Anything further away that about three feet won't get much benefit anyway. I'm assuming that the flash is automatic, or that the software will compensate for the distance. Two LED's will give maybe 4.5 feet of effective light. It's better than nothing with these things.
Please tell me this iOS4 finally has a DELETE ALL EMAIL (at once) button. 2010 and we still have to manually select 200 messages one by one to delete them?
I wasn't clear... I don't know of any apps that provide image stabilization... I was asking if it's possible on an iPad with a video captured on an iPhone 4-- when both have iOS 4.
Here's a couple of quick and dirty iMac iMovie examples (not stabilized) that I want do do (or have one of the grandkids do) on the iPhone / iPad when we're out and about on those long Saturdays from Jul - Nov.
They were interesting, but I was having some problems with them and I don't know if it was from my end or not. They were jerky at times, but not the kind of jerk from lack of stabilization. At times, they were rock solid. But some looked to be shot in slo mo.
As for the question about anti shake, stabilization, or whatever we call it on an iPad. The answer is that I don't know yet. Maybe some of the guys here who are developers and who have seen the new OS may have some idea. But, while there are schemes to post process video so as to eliminate shake from exposure, its fairly sophisticated stuff.
What is done is to crop slightly so that the image can be moved around so as to eliminate the shake. The frame is moved up or down by whatever amount is needed, and sometimes sideways too. But it requires a fair amount of processing power and sophistication from the software. It has to know what's shake, and what's movement, and separate out the differences, and correct for the proper errors. Often you can click on an object that shouldn't be moving, so that the software can compensate for it. But if it moves out of the frame, another has to be used, and there may be a jerk as the software moves from one reference to another.
I don't think this stuff will be seen on an iPad for some time.
Please tell me this iOS4 finally has a DELETE ALL EMAIL (at once) button. 2010 and we still have to manually select 200 messages one by one to delete them?
I am very excited about the new iPhone 4. It is a substantial upgrade from my 2 year old 3g iPhone. I often read posts about how the Android phones are better than the iPhone and sometimes it seems like a huge rivalry. I am glad that there is healthy competition in the current smartphone market. If Palm or Android phones had not come out with some nice features, we may still be missing "cut and paste" and other features that Apple has added in the last year or so. Apple is doing a great job of staying ahead of the competition. Sometimes a leader must feel the follower's breath on their neck to cause the leader to pick up the pace in a race. Imagine if the only other smartphones were Blackberrys or WinMobile phones. Would the current iPhone be as impressive? Hard to say, but I like what I am seeing in the iPhone 4 and am personally thinking the next 19 days are going to move very slowly.
Please tell me this iOS4 finally has a DELETE ALL EMAIL (at once) button. 2010 and we still have to manually select 200 messages one by one to delete them?
Cut the snark and explain what you mean and why melgross is wrong.
Or move along. Because, at this point, you're just coming through as being passive-aggressive and not particularly interested (or helpful) in advancing the discussion.
Sorry but when an guy who thinks he knows everything wants to argue about a subject that I have been involved with professionally for over 25 years ...AND is so far off target that I can't even begin to start a dialog without hours of preparation in order to be instructive and not sound argumentative, I just have to pass.
Sorry but when an guy who thinks he knows everything wants to argue about a subject that I have been involved with professionally for over 25 years ...AND is so far off target that I can't even begin to start a dialog without hours of preparation in order to be instructive and not sound argumentative, I just have to pass.
Oh please. don't think you're so smart. I've been doing this even longer than you have.
Either explain what you mean, or go away, and leave the rest of us alone.
Meaning 'Google like' conversation? That's BS. Many people have been requesting for this feature for ages. The reason why it's needed it because many people use POP accounts. When you first set up the POP account on the iPhone it imports say all messages that that account has which could easily be 1,000 archived messages. So not only do you have to wait while the iPhone imports those 1,000 messages but after you're done those messages sit on the iPhone. They aren't needed on the iPhone because you can view them on the desktop/webmail. So many of us manually delete those POP emails because we're just interested in the new messages that come in after we set up the account. Right now you have to go in and manually delete 1,000 messages. There is no delete all button. There is a delete all button for the messages in the trash box but...
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I'd like to see a 3:1 optical zoom and image Stabilization, along with a stronger flash.
There were various apps that implemented it via the accelerometer, but I don't recall if Apple actually added it via the OS. Anyone know for sure?
I'd like to see a 3:1 optical zoom and image Stabilization, along with a stronger flash.
Mmm... Image stabilization. FCS has that capability after the fact (post processing). I have a VideoCam with special circuity? to do that.
Question: Shouldn't a [relatively powerful] general purpose CPU along with a GPU and some DSP and FFT APIs be able to handle that in real time? As part of the video capture/encoding process?
I would like to see an iPad version of FCS Motion.
.
No it was your apparent lack of understanding of these things that was making your comments nonsensical.
Cut the snark and explain what you mean and why melgross is wrong.
Or move along. Because, at this point, you're just coming through as being passive-aggressive and not particularly interested (or helpful) in advancing the discussion.
When I go outside and look up at the sky, I never see any banding, but in many 24 bit digital photos, the sky shows banding because there aren't enough pixels on the screen to cover the colors required to reproduce the image accurately.
Wait, you don't see banding in the sky?
That does come to mind -- sure. But you'd need a super fast video compressor-decompressor and lose a lot of quality to MASTER video in 17 Gigs.
Apple's Intermediate CODEC is good for editing video. But more or less, I'd say that in REAL WORLD terms, you need about 3X the storage space of the Time of the video on a FINAL HD CODEC. When you layer graphics you've got the source, and then you've got the rendering of the layers in a much less compressed codec.
On top of that, you MIGHT be doing something more than just video editing. My 16 Gig iPod Touch is full to the brim, and that's without ANY video editing going on. So maybe I slim it down to 8 Gigs, and then add all the newer LARGER apps that will be designed for the new HD platform...
... So, by my rough estimate -- a REAL HD video will require about a Gig a Minute -- but for people doing that home movie who can't tell a compressed SD from an HD signal -- maybe they can do an hour with 18 Gigs of free space.
I have a Panisonic Lumix camera that records compressed 720p HD video with stereo. It will record 4 hours in 32 gigs of memory at it's highest quality setting. It uses an AVCHD Lite compression. I would assume Apple would have some comparable codec that would give similar results.
Wait, you don't see banding in the sky?
Sky?
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There were various apps that implemented it via the accelerometer, but I don't recall if Apple actually added it via the OS. Anyone know for sure?
Mmm... Image stabilization. FCS has that capability after the fact (post processing). I have a VideoCam with special circuity? to do that.
Question: Shouldn't a [relatively powerful] CP CPU along with a GPU and some DSP and FFT APIs be able to handle that in real time? As part of the video capture/encoding process?
I would like to see an iPad version of FCS Motion.
.
I haven't seen the apps that say they give stabilization. Any names I could try out?
I suppose they could do it in a number of ways. they first need a sensor with more pixels than they use for the image, so that they can have enough around the edges to move the image around to counter the shake. After that, it's however they can get to the info before it's actually recorded so they can work with it. As long as they can get to the hardware, it would be ok. The big thing is the chip though.
I haven't seen the apps that say they give stabilization. Any names I could try out?
I suppose they could do it in a number of ways. they first need a sensor with more pixels than they use for the image, so that they can have enough around the edges to move the image around to counter the shake. After that, it's however they can get to the info before it's actually recorded so they can work with it. As long as they can get to the hardware, it would be ok. The big thing is the chip though.
ProCamera comes to mind. Just found another called 'Night Camera'. They use the accelerometer to detect relatively 'quiet' moments when the phone isn't moving around much. I haven't tried any of them however.
ProCamera comes to mind. Just found another called 'Night Camera'. They use the accelerometer to detect relatively 'quiet' moments when the phone isn't moving around much. I haven't tried any of them however.
I just opened iTunes and typed "camera" into the app store. BOY! That's a lot of camera apps. I lost track of most of them long ago.
Night Camera uses the accelerometer to find when the camera is moving the least, and then takes the pic. Possibly useful. The problem is that it's not actually stabilizing the image, and you may miss the pic if it waits too long.
Pro Camera says "Anti-Shake", but doesn't say how it works, so I just popped for the big $1.99 to try it out. I'm syncing now.
Probably in the same place as those "Who cares about a flash with a camera phone?" naysayers. And the "Who cares about multitasking?" naysayers. And the "Who cares about copy and paste?" naysayers. But those naysayers will try to backtrack and claim that they never dismissed those features, and that they have always liked Apple to add them.
I cannot remember many people saying that these features were absolutely useless. Of course they are useful. Its really more a matter of their over all importance. Many of us argued that Apple would slowly evolve the iPhone to include these features, and that is exactly what they've done.
As far as flash with a camera phone, well, it's marginally useful. I would have preferred if Apple used two diodes. One, even if it is the Phillips one, isn't terribly strong. I would really have loved to see a ring flash using several.
I'm not that big of a fan of flash photography as most people don't really know how to properly use it. Often they end up washing out skin tones or provide too harsh of a light in a persons face. All in all it can easily make a bad picture.
I haven't seen the apps that say they give stabilization. Any names I could try out?
I suppose they could do it in a number of ways. they first need a sensor with more pixels than they use for the image, so that they can have enough around the edges to move the image around to counter the shake. After that, it's however they can get to the info before it's actually recorded so they can work with it. As long as they can get to the hardware, it would be ok. The big thing is the chip though.
I wasn't clear... I don't know of any apps that provide image stabilization... I was asking if it's possible on an iPad with a video captured on an iPhone 4-- when both have iOS 4.
Here's a couple of quick and dirty iMac iMovie examples (not stabilized) that I want do do (or have one of the grandkids do) on the iPhone / iPad when we're out and about on those long Saturdays from Jul - Nov.
Be sure and choose the HD versions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOtZ0fSfQPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzAft7b7z4I
Some other ids are here:
http://www.youtube.com/dicklacara#p/u
IF iPhone & iPad can do this on site... its over!
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I'm not that big of a fan of flash photography as most people don't really know how to properly use it. Often they end up washing out skin tones or provide too harsh of a light in a persons face. All in all it can easily make a bad picture.
No argument there. It's just that between the poor sensitivity of these tiny sensors, and the really slow lenses they're coupled with, a flash will help. They're really just intended for a portrait shot at close distance. Anything further away that about three feet won't get much benefit anyway. I'm assuming that the flash is automatic, or that the software will compensate for the distance. Two LED's will give maybe 4.5 feet of effective light. It's better than nothing with these things.
I wasn't clear... I don't know of any apps that provide image stabilization... I was asking if it's possible on an iPad with a video captured on an iPhone 4-- when both have iOS 4.
Here's a couple of quick and dirty iMac iMovie examples (not stabilized) that I want do do (or have one of the grandkids do) on the iPhone / iPad when we're out and about on those long Saturdays from Jul - Nov.
Be sure and choose the HD versions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOtZ0fSfQPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzAft7b7z4I
Some other ids are here:
http://www.youtube.com/dicklacara#p/u
IF iPhone & iPad can do this on site... its over!
.
They were interesting, but I was having some problems with them and I don't know if it was from my end or not. They were jerky at times, but not the kind of jerk from lack of stabilization. At times, they were rock solid. But some looked to be shot in slo mo.
As for the question about anti shake, stabilization, or whatever we call it on an iPad. The answer is that I don't know yet. Maybe some of the guys here who are developers and who have seen the new OS may have some idea. But, while there are schemes to post process video so as to eliminate shake from exposure, its fairly sophisticated stuff.
What is done is to crop slightly so that the image can be moved around so as to eliminate the shake. The frame is moved up or down by whatever amount is needed, and sometimes sideways too. But it requires a fair amount of processing power and sophistication from the software. It has to know what's shake, and what's movement, and separate out the differences, and correct for the proper errors. Often you can click on an object that shouldn't be moving, so that the software can compensate for it. But if it moves out of the frame, another has to be used, and there may be a jerk as the software moves from one reference to another.
I don't think this stuff will be seen on an iPad for some time.
It's really much easier to do it in the camera.
Please tell me this iOS4 finally has a DELETE ALL EMAIL (at once) button. 2010 and we still have to manually select 200 messages one by one to delete them?
It does have a delete a thread.
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Please tell me this iOS4 finally has a DELETE ALL EMAIL (at once) button. 2010 and we still have to manually select 200 messages one by one to delete them?
Noo... there's an iMac for that....
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Cut the snark and explain what you mean and why melgross is wrong.
Or move along. Because, at this point, you're just coming through as being passive-aggressive and not particularly interested (or helpful) in advancing the discussion.
Sorry but when an guy who thinks he knows everything wants to argue about a subject that I have been involved with professionally for over 25 years ...AND is so far off target that I can't even begin to start a dialog without hours of preparation in order to be instructive and not sound argumentative, I just have to pass.
Sorry but when an guy who thinks he knows everything wants to argue about a subject that I have been involved with professionally for over 25 years ...AND is so far off target that I can't even begin to start a dialog without hours of preparation in order to be instructive and not sound argumentative, I just have to pass.
Oh please. don't think you're so smart. I've been doing this even longer than you have.
Either explain what you mean, or go away, and leave the rest of us alone.
It does have a delete a thread.
Meaning 'Google like' conversation? That's BS. Many people have been requesting for this feature for ages. The reason why it's needed it because many people use POP accounts. When you first set up the POP account on the iPhone it imports say all messages that that account has which could easily be 1,000 archived messages. So not only do you have to wait while the iPhone imports those 1,000 messages but after you're done those messages sit on the iPhone. They aren't needed on the iPhone because you can view them on the desktop/webmail. So many of us manually delete those POP emails because we're just interested in the new messages that come in after we set up the account. Right now you have to go in and manually delete 1,000 messages. There is no delete all button. There is a delete all button for the messages in the trash box but...