AI left out the best part. The group responsible for uncovering this hole is called Goatse Security
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
I wouldn't be so sure... from the original story:
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Since a member of the group tells us the script was shared with third-parties prior to AT&T closing the security hole, it's not known exactly whose hands the exploit fell into and what those people did with the names they obtained. A member tells us it's likely many accounts beyond the 114,000 have been compromised.
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
True, I hope this is the case.
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831
About 70% of the planet uses GSM. The Apple iPhone is a GSM handset, there is no CDMA model.
There are two GSM carriers in the United States: AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T is far larger.
Doesn't sound that odd to me.
Note that in a Consumer Reports study of U.S. mobile operators, Verizon beat out AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint by a few points, just above the threshold of statistical significance (according to CR). I recall all the scores were bunched in the mid 70s. That essentially means that Verizon is a 37" giant in a kingdom of three-foot midgets.
AT&T isn't much of a step down from Verizon unless you happen to live in an area that AT&T services poorly.
Good point
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It's all post WWDC/we got caught stealing your iPhone spin. If iPad info was accessed so was Android and Blackberry users.
If some group broke into AT&T, arrest them, prosecute and recover damages to fix the window glass & door locks that they broke. It's not like AT&T gave them the data... not talking about Google here.
The only embarrassment for Apple is that they're stuck with AT&T (for reasons I definitely don't understand). Did you catch Jon Stewart slamming AT&T last night on The Daily Show? It kills me that I have to switch to an inferior network in order to have an iPhone.
The pairing of Apple and AT&T really is odd.
No. I have state of the art consumer electronics technology... why in hell would I follow a comedian in a business suit's jokes as actual substance of anything, much less how well my cell phone works?
Don't let the format fool you into mistaking entertainment for news, you can buy a suit anywhere, and you can visit the Laugh Factory every night for just as insightful tech reporting. I don't think Gawker backed by Jon Stewart make the kind of awesome tech team that some might allude to.
I seriously doubt AT&T is 'embarrassing' for Apple. Have you seen their bank account and customer satisfaction ratings? If anything they seem to be a very profitable and important business partner. I am curious about the technology used to access the other planet's where these kind of nonsensical opinions originate.
Everyone seems to hate at&t. If the iPhone was exclusive to VZW, they would have experience the same problems according to Steve jobs. But I agree, at&t needs to hurry and get their act together.
I really do think that the "hackers" responsible for the breach in security, if caught and convicted, should be publicly executed...burning at the stake would be quite satisfying.
About 70% of the planet uses GSM. The Apple iPhone is a GSM handset, there is no CDMA model.
There are two GSM carriers in the United States: AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T is far larger.
Doesn't sound that odd to me.
Note that in a Consumer Reports study of U.S. mobile operators, Verizon beat out AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint by a few points, just above the threshold of statistical significance (according to CR). I recall all the scores were bunched in the mid 70s. That essentially means that Verizon is a 37" giant in a kingdom of three-foot midgets.
AT&T isn't much of a step down from Verizon unless you happen to live in an area that AT&T services poorly.
Well put.
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Wow. Just wow. Brings a whole new meaning to the song "Brown-eyed girl" now, doesn't it?
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
AT&T's official response included, "...The person or group who discovered this gap did not contact AT&T."
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
Please see urbandictionary or wikipedia for goatse. Doing so will show you it probably isn't good.
How is it an embarrassment for Apple? It wasn't their servers that were hacked.
It's an embarrassment because Apple married themselves to an also-ran provider.
It's an embarrassment because people expect better overall experience from Apple products. As a customer, I'd have zero patience for "It's not our fault".
The only question here is how the other telcos will respond. Will they say "Steve, now are you ready to talk?", or will they say "Ha! F-you!" ?
It's an embarrassment because Apple married themselves to an also-ran provider.
It's an embarrassment because people expect better overall experience from Apple products. As a customer, I'd have zero patience for "It's not our fault".
The only question here is how the other telcos will respond. Will they say "Steve, now are you ready to talk?", or will they say "Ha! F-you!" ?
What makes you think Steve Jobs has such a desire to move to another carrier?
I love the baseless claims that VZN would be any better than ATT.
Am I wrong in my belief that hundreds of people in the USA have smart phones on the Verizon network that do not have the issues that iPhone customers have?
I do know that in the New York Metro Area, AT&T had horrible service in the late 90's, nearly a decade before the world had iPhones. So I think there are issues with the network.
I don't know how cell phones work, but I do know that a cell phone does work on the Verizon network and it doesn't work on AT&T in my area. Verizon rules in New York. This wouldn't be true if people were walking around dropping calls.
Steve Jobs says any network would be strained with iPhone traffic. Perhaps so. Isn't that the best argument to have multiple carriers?
Apple is all about the experience. For years we have happily paid an "apple tax" for products that "just work out of the box." What kind of experience is dropping an important call over and over? Not a very good one. What did he say at the keynote when he couldn't get online? "I don't like this." Good Steve. Now you know how I have felt every day for two years.
Of course it's a moot point. There is no Verizon iPhone and according to Steve Jobs, this is a good thing. So that's the way it's going to stay. So I guess there is nothing left to argue about.
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AI left out the best part. The group responsible for uncovering this hole is called Goatse Security
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
I wouldn't be so sure... from the original story:
Since a member of the group tells us the script was shared with third-parties prior to AT&T closing the security hole, it's not known exactly whose hands the exploit fell into and what those people did with the names they obtained. A member tells us it's likely many accounts beyond the 114,000 have been compromised.
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
True, I hope this is the case.
About 70% of the planet uses GSM. The Apple iPhone is a GSM handset, there is no CDMA model.
There are two GSM carriers in the United States: AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T is far larger.
Doesn't sound that odd to me.
Note that in a Consumer Reports study of U.S. mobile operators, Verizon beat out AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint by a few points, just above the threshold of statistical significance (according to CR). I recall all the scores were bunched in the mid 70s. That essentially means that Verizon is a 37" giant in a kingdom of three-foot midgets.
AT&T isn't much of a step down from Verizon unless you happen to live in an area that AT&T services poorly.
Good point
It's all post WWDC/we got caught stealing your iPhone spin. If iPad info was accessed so was Android and Blackberry users.
If some group broke into AT&T, arrest them, prosecute and recover damages to fix the window glass & door locks that they broke. It's not like AT&T gave them the data... not talking about Google here.
Another good point.
The only embarrassment for Apple is that they're stuck with AT&T (for reasons I definitely don't understand). Did you catch Jon Stewart slamming AT&T last night on The Daily Show? It kills me that I have to switch to an inferior network in order to have an iPhone.
The pairing of Apple and AT&T really is odd.
No. I have state of the art consumer electronics technology... why in hell would I follow a comedian in a business suit's jokes as actual substance of anything, much less how well my cell phone works?
Don't let the format fool you into mistaking entertainment for news, you can buy a suit anywhere, and you can visit the Laugh Factory every night for just as insightful tech reporting. I don't think Gawker backed by Jon Stewart make the kind of awesome tech team that some might allude to.
I seriously doubt AT&T is 'embarrassing' for Apple. Have you seen their bank account and customer satisfaction ratings? If anything they seem to be a very profitable and important business partner. I am curious about the technology used to access the other planet's where these kind of nonsensical opinions originate.
AI left out the best part. The group responsible for uncovering this hole is called Goatse Security
Seriously? I wondered why they kept out the most hilarious part of this story.
Seriously? I wondered why they kept out the most hilarious part of this story.
Wow. Just wow. Brings a whole new meaning to the song "Brown-eyed girl" now, doesn't it?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060701140.html
and I'm partial to TubGirl myself
Wow. Just wow. Brings a whole new meaning to the song "Brown-eyed girl" now, doesn't it?
Cute, but definitely questions the integrity of this 'news' and if this group is even legit, well as legit as breaking into someone's network can be.
If it's real AT&T will own up to it in the next week or so, but it seems like they are questioning the validity of this off the bat.
I really do think that the "hackers" responsible for the breach in security, if caught and convicted, should be publicly executed...burning at the stake would be quite satisfying.
Thank Goodness you have no power.
I would enjoy getting back to how much AT&T sucks. Thank you.
Not as much as Verizon
About 70% of the planet uses GSM. The Apple iPhone is a GSM handset, there is no CDMA model.
There are two GSM carriers in the United States: AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T is far larger.
Doesn't sound that odd to me.
Note that in a Consumer Reports study of U.S. mobile operators, Verizon beat out AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint by a few points, just above the threshold of statistical significance (according to CR). I recall all the scores were bunched in the mid 70s. That essentially means that Verizon is a 37" giant in a kingdom of three-foot midgets.
AT&T isn't much of a step down from Verizon unless you happen to live in an area that AT&T services poorly.
Well put.
Wow. Just wow. Brings a whole new meaning to the song "Brown-eyed girl" now, doesn't it?
LMAO
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
AT&T's official response included, "...The person or group who discovered this gap did not contact AT&T."
That actually could be a good thing. Because they are said to be a security watchgroup. They don't 'crack' to actual steal stuff, but 'hack' to exploit faults that nasty folks could exploit. And then they give the info to the targets. Much like the guys that have the competitions to find holes in OS's, browsers etc.
had it be some unknown group I would be more worried, because they would be more likely to be up to no good in any way shape or form
Please see urbandictionary or wikipedia for goatse. Doing so will show you it probably isn't good.
I would enjoy getting back to how much AT&T sucks. Thank you.
I love the baseless claims that VZN would be any better than ATT.
Please see urbandictionary or wikipedia for goatse. Doing so will show you it probably isn't good.
Tells me they are likely some top notch adults. NOT.
How is it an embarrassment for Apple? It wasn't their servers that were hacked.
It's an embarrassment because Apple married themselves to an also-ran provider.
It's an embarrassment because people expect better overall experience from Apple products. As a customer, I'd have zero patience for "It's not our fault".
The only question here is how the other telcos will respond. Will they say "Steve, now are you ready to talk?", or will they say "Ha! F-you!" ?
It's an embarrassment because Apple married themselves to an also-ran provider.
It's an embarrassment because people expect better overall experience from Apple products. As a customer, I'd have zero patience for "It's not our fault".
The only question here is how the other telcos will respond. Will they say "Steve, now are you ready to talk?", or will they say "Ha! F-you!" ?
What makes you think Steve Jobs has such a desire to move to another carrier?
I love the baseless claims that VZN would be any better than ATT.
Am I wrong in my belief that hundreds of people in the USA have smart phones on the Verizon network that do not have the issues that iPhone customers have?
I do know that in the New York Metro Area, AT&T had horrible service in the late 90's, nearly a decade before the world had iPhones. So I think there are issues with the network.
I don't know how cell phones work, but I do know that a cell phone does work on the Verizon network and it doesn't work on AT&T in my area. Verizon rules in New York. This wouldn't be true if people were walking around dropping calls.
Steve Jobs says any network would be strained with iPhone traffic. Perhaps so. Isn't that the best argument to have multiple carriers?
Apple is all about the experience. For years we have happily paid an "apple tax" for products that "just work out of the box." What kind of experience is dropping an important call over and over? Not a very good one. What did he say at the keynote when he couldn't get online? "I don't like this." Good Steve. Now you know how I have felt every day for two years.
Of course it's a moot point. There is no Verizon iPhone and according to Steve Jobs, this is a good thing. So that's the way it's going to stay. So I guess there is nothing left to argue about.