Or, as I mentioned in a previous post, a small strip of clear tape over the junction points around the edge is a cheap fix too in the meantime.
I just tried for the first time two different tapes, masking tape and electrical tape. Neither made any difference. From three bars with internet to "No Service" in seconds. That's not what I had been expecting.
edit: I covered the area so that the tapes completely covered all my skin on the left side from half way down the phone to along the bottom.
Don't kid yourself, I know a few people who were looking at the iPhone 4 and are now looking elsewhere. I'm one of them. People may be technologically naive, but they aren't that stupid. Apple fucked up, this is going to haunt them unless they seriously address it. And I mean publicly. If people don't hear: "the issue is now fixed", they'll have doubts about the iPhone 4. Steve's answer is an insult. They may have sold 1.5M already, but word is spreading about the antenna issue, and sales will slow down rapidly.
I know word is spreading - primarily from the rabid. It certainly seems that most people who actually "have" iPhone 4 are seeing it as a minor problem in light of the other significant merits of the phone. That being said apple definitely has to do something about it as you mention - the noise chamber alone is worthy of a response with so many of the vocal non-iPhone having crowd want it to fail.
Apple doesn't need to fix the problem, people like you will cover their ass. What is it with people taking it lying down from Apple? Don't be sheep. Wake up and hold Apple's feet to the fire. I personally expected more from Steve and Apple. Their response is troubling. If it turns out their response doesn't change I won't be able to look at them quite in the same way again.
Ireland, with respect, your comments are becoming a little petulant. I'm not covering anyone or any company's 'ass'. I was simply stating that I think the whole issue is overblown and that I, and a lot of other people were going to use a case anyway it so it won't be a problem for us. Thats it.
This isn't the end of the world, its just a bug on a phone that may be fixed with an update, or it may not. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it or flame up forums because that won't really solve anything. Life is too short mate. If you want to get a Droid phone then all power to you and I look forward to hearing from the old happier Ireland on these boards with some intelligent comments on it.
I know word is spreading - primarily from the rabid. It certainly seems that most people who actually "have" iPhone 4 are seeing it as a minor problem in light of the other significant merits of the phone. That being said apple definitely has to do something about it as you mention - the noise chamber alone is worthy of a response with so many of the vocal non-iPhone having crowd want it to fail.
There's a difference between wanting it to fail and it doing that all by itself. You seem concerned what Android users and the likes think? I couldn't give two shits what they think. I just want an iPhone 4 without a flawed antenna. Everything else about the phone is great.
Ireland, with respect, your comments are becoming a little petulant. I'm not covering anyone or any company's 'ass'. I was simply stating that I think the whole issue is overblown and that I, and a lot of other people were going to use a case anyway it so it won't be a problem for us. Thats it.
This isn't the end of the world, its just a bug on a phone that may be fixed with an update, or it may not. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it or flame up forums because that won't really solve anything. Life is too short mate. If you want to get a Droid phone then all power to you and I look forward to hearing from the old happier Ireland on these boards with some intelligent comments on it.
Thanks for the update, I thought the world was going to end.
Apple doesn't need to fix the problem, people like you will cover their ass. What is it with people taking it lying down from Apple? Don't be sheep. Wake up and hold Apple's feet to the fire. I personally expected more from Steve and Apple. Their response is troubling. If it turns out their response doesn't change I won't be able to look at them quite in the same way again.
Ireland. I have to ask. Do you actually own an iPhone 4? And if you do, instead of all the anger, I suggest you take the phone back and get a refund. You shouldn't have to put up with a phone that doesn't meet your needs.
Good engineering requires making appropriate compromises to achieve the most balanced and sellable product. I highly doubt that Apple was unaware of this antenna issue. They chose this design for a variety of no doubt highly informed reasons. If they chose poorly, and it affects a huge number of people in an adverse way, it will result in poor sales. I'm not saying that they haven't made the wrong compromises here. Maybe it will be proven that they did. But it's not unlike the decision to keep Flash off the iOS products. The Flash decision will keep a certain number of people from buying Apple products. But on balance Apple thinks that their product is better without Flash.
Ultimately, time will tell how this antenna issue will pan out. But given Jobs' response yesterday, they were obviously aware of the compromise they had made and rightly or wrongly went ahead with the design.
People have very high expectations for Apple products. It IS a premium brand. Some would say THE premium brand in its field. When there is a perceived flaw, people react.
Life is filled with compromises. At least for those of us who don't make more money than we have the ability to spend. We'll never know the satisfaction of owning a Bentley. I guess smart phones are one area where we can have the same level of quality as the richest guy in the world, and we have the same expectation of perfection he does.
Poor Steve, having to deal with millions of people who behave as though they own the place!
You cannot claim this is a fanboy article. It's about the fit and finish, and the author actually mentioned the reception issues (which he didn't need to in the context of the article).
The article stated that the fit and finish are beautiful.
To the critics in this thread, I ask you: exactly what criticism of the fit and finish would you write about the iPhone 4?
I just tried for the first time two different tapes, masking tape and electrical tape. Neither made any difference. From three bars with internet to "No Service" in seconds. That's not what I had been expecting.
edit: I covered the area so that the tapes completely covered all my skin on the left side from half way down the phone to along the bottom.
Really? That's interesting. Perhaps it depends on the tape used?
It is a bit of a 'rugged' fix anyway. I saw a guy on MR who used a cut up strip of unused invisible shield.
Have you tried using them? I heard they are meant to work here.
Another brand to try is bestskinever. I have never tried them personally but I might have a look at them for my next phone.
In the meantime, here's hoping for a download solution from Cupertino..
Ireland, with respect, your comments are becoming a little petulant. I'm not covering anyone or any company's 'ass'. I was simply stating that I think the whole issue is overblown and that I, and a lot of other people were going to use a case anyway it so it won't be a problem for us. Thats it.
This isn't the end of the world, its just a bug on a phone that may be fixed with an update, or it may not. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it or flame up forums because that won't really solve anything. Life is too short mate. If you want to get a Droid phone then all power to you and I look forward to hearing from the old happier Ireland on these boards with some intelligent comments on it.
Don't kid yourself, I know a few people who were looking at the iPhone 4 and are now looking elsewhere. I'm one of them.
You have a problem with reception? Buy a case.
Could there be a simpler, cheaper solution? Hand wringing and tooth gnashing are inefficient solutions.
For me, one of the funnest bits of getting a new iDevice is trying to figure out what case to get! I probably spent ten times the effort deciding which iPad case to get vs. actually deciding to get an iPad.
There's a difference between wanting it to fail and it doing that all by itself. You seem concerned what Android users and the likes think? I couldn't give two shits what they think. I just want an iPhone 4 without a flawed antenna. Everything else about the phone is great.
Perhaps if you waited a few weeks, for a little later in the production cycle, you may have your wish? Why are you so impatient?
You make it sound like it's life-or-death or now-or-never when it's neither.
Smart? By being designed in such a way that you have to think about how you're holding it when you pick it up? You're a ridiculous person. If you're going to use a forum to insult someone's intelligence, make sure you choose a better username than: Berp.[/QUOTE]
You can call me names... as long as they are mine.
As for a better username for this ridiculous person, would 'ire' land me a kiss on the cheek or a kick in the butt?
People have very high expectations for Apple products. It IS a premium brand.
I agree that Apple Computers are a 'premium brand.'
In what way is the iPhone a premium brand, compared to it's (true) competition, considering the total cost of ownership through a typical contract period (and not even factoring its higher resale value)?
You cannot claim this is a fanboy article. It's about the fit and finish, and the author actually mentioned the reception issues (which he didn't need to in the context of the article).
The article stated that the fit and finish are beautiful.
To the critics in this thread, I ask you: exactly what criticism of the fit and finish would you write about the iPhone 4?
Nice to see that someone else noticed. For a moment there, I thought I must be alone in having misrerad the piece.
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Or, as I mentioned in a previous post, a small strip of clear tape over the junction points around the edge is a cheap fix too in the meantime.
I just tried for the first time two different tapes, masking tape and electrical tape. Neither made any difference. From three bars with internet to "No Service" in seconds. That's not what I had been expecting.
edit: I covered the area so that the tapes completely covered all my skin on the left side from half way down the phone to along the bottom.
Don't kid yourself, I know a few people who were looking at the iPhone 4 and are now looking elsewhere. I'm one of them. People may be technologically naive, but they aren't that stupid. Apple fucked up, this is going to haunt them unless they seriously address it. And I mean publicly. If people don't hear: "the issue is now fixed", they'll have doubts about the iPhone 4. Steve's answer is an insult. They may have sold 1.5M already, but word is spreading about the antenna issue, and sales will slow down rapidly.
I know word is spreading - primarily from the rabid. It certainly seems that most people who actually "have" iPhone 4 are seeing it as a minor problem in light of the other significant merits of the phone. That being said apple definitely has to do something about it as you mention - the noise chamber alone is worthy of a response with so many of the vocal non-iPhone having crowd want it to fail.
Apple doesn't need to fix the problem, people like you will cover their ass. What is it with people taking it lying down from Apple? Don't be sheep. Wake up and hold Apple's feet to the fire. I personally expected more from Steve and Apple. Their response is troubling. If it turns out their response doesn't change I won't be able to look at them quite in the same way again.
Ireland, with respect, your comments are becoming a little petulant. I'm not covering anyone or any company's 'ass'. I was simply stating that I think the whole issue is overblown and that I, and a lot of other people were going to use a case anyway it so it won't be a problem for us. Thats it.
This isn't the end of the world, its just a bug on a phone that may be fixed with an update, or it may not. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it or flame up forums because that won't really solve anything. Life is too short mate. If you want to get a Droid phone then all power to you and I look forward to hearing from the old happier Ireland on these boards with some intelligent comments on it.
I know word is spreading - primarily from the rabid. It certainly seems that most people who actually "have" iPhone 4 are seeing it as a minor problem in light of the other significant merits of the phone. That being said apple definitely has to do something about it as you mention - the noise chamber alone is worthy of a response with so many of the vocal non-iPhone having crowd want it to fail.
There's a difference between wanting it to fail and it doing that all by itself. You seem concerned what Android users and the likes think? I couldn't give two shits what they think. I just want an iPhone 4 without a flawed antenna. Everything else about the phone is great.
Ireland, with respect, your comments are becoming a little petulant. I'm not covering anyone or any company's 'ass'. I was simply stating that I think the whole issue is overblown and that I, and a lot of other people were going to use a case anyway it so it won't be a problem for us. Thats it.
This isn't the end of the world, its just a bug on a phone that may be fixed with an update, or it may not. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it or flame up forums because that won't really solve anything. Life is too short mate. If you want to get a Droid phone then all power to you and I look forward to hearing from the old happier Ireland on these boards with some intelligent comments on it.
Thanks for the update, I thought the world was going to end.
Apple doesn't need to fix the problem, people like you will cover their ass. What is it with people taking it lying down from Apple? Don't be sheep. Wake up and hold Apple's feet to the fire. I personally expected more from Steve and Apple. Their response is troubling. If it turns out their response doesn't change I won't be able to look at them quite in the same way again.
Ireland. I have to ask. Do you actually own an iPhone 4? And if you do, instead of all the anger, I suggest you take the phone back and get a refund. You shouldn't have to put up with a phone that doesn't meet your needs.
Good engineering requires making appropriate compromises to achieve the most balanced and sellable product. I highly doubt that Apple was unaware of this antenna issue. They chose this design for a variety of no doubt highly informed reasons. If they chose poorly, and it affects a huge number of people in an adverse way, it will result in poor sales. I'm not saying that they haven't made the wrong compromises here. Maybe it will be proven that they did. But it's not unlike the decision to keep Flash off the iOS products. The Flash decision will keep a certain number of people from buying Apple products. But on balance Apple thinks that their product is better without Flash.
Ultimately, time will tell how this antenna issue will pan out. But given Jobs' response yesterday, they were obviously aware of the compromise they had made and rightly or wrongly went ahead with the design.
No flash on the iPhone? If Apple doesn't want me to have it, I don't want it.
At first no mms. Ah, who wants it.
No tethering for three years? Nope, didn't want that either.
AT&T exclusive carrier and there is poor coverage? I didn't want to make phone calls anyway.
This one is the best.
My calls drop when I use my left hand. Steve Jobs says, "Don't hold it that way."
Well, if Apple doesn't want me to use my left hand, then guess what? I didn't want to use it anyway.
Love ya guys, have a nice weekend.
I was reading the 'Dan' review article and I actually got a BONER (no lies) while I read his piece
D--------D---
I think I just threw up a little bit in my mind.
Life is filled with compromises. At least for those of us who don't make more money than we have the ability to spend. We'll never know the satisfaction of owning a Bentley. I guess smart phones are one area where we can have the same level of quality as the richest guy in the world, and we have the same expectation of perfection he does.
Poor Steve, having to deal with millions of people who behave as though they own the place!
Thanks for the update, I thought the world was going to end.
Yeah, I noticed.
I was serious about the Android review though. We have only very recently got them here.
The article stated that the fit and finish are beautiful.
To the critics in this thread, I ask you: exactly what criticism of the fit and finish would you write about the iPhone 4?
I just tried for the first time two different tapes, masking tape and electrical tape. Neither made any difference. From three bars with internet to "No Service" in seconds. That's not what I had been expecting.
edit: I covered the area so that the tapes completely covered all my skin on the left side from half way down the phone to along the bottom.
Really? That's interesting. Perhaps it depends on the tape used?
It is a bit of a 'rugged' fix anyway. I saw a guy on MR who used a cut up strip of unused invisible shield.
Have you tried using them? I heard they are meant to work here.
Another brand to try is bestskinever. I have never tried them personally but I might have a look at them for my next phone.
In the meantime, here's hoping for a download solution from Cupertino..
Ireland, with respect, your comments are becoming a little petulant. I'm not covering anyone or any company's 'ass'. I was simply stating that I think the whole issue is overblown and that I, and a lot of other people were going to use a case anyway it so it won't be a problem for us. Thats it.
This isn't the end of the world, its just a bug on a phone that may be fixed with an update, or it may not. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it or flame up forums because that won't really solve anything. Life is too short mate. If you want to get a Droid phone then all power to you and I look forward to hearing from the old happier Ireland on these boards with some intelligent comments on it.
Well said.
anyway, i think its all FUD by the vapor froyo boys. 2.2 is still not here, but it's a killer... lol
Don't kid yourself, I know a few people who were looking at the iPhone 4 and are now looking elsewhere. I'm one of them.
You have a problem with reception? Buy a case.
Could there be a simpler, cheaper solution? Hand wringing and tooth gnashing are inefficient solutions.
For me, one of the funnest bits of getting a new iDevice is trying to figure out what case to get! I probably spent ten times the effort deciding which iPad case to get vs. actually deciding to get an iPad.
An M-Edge Touring Sleeve (bright green):
http://www.medgestore.com/products/ipad-touring.psp
An Incipio feather hard shell case (purple!):
http://www.myincipio.com/product/IPA...---Purple.html
There's a difference between wanting it to fail and it doing that all by itself. You seem concerned what Android users and the likes think? I couldn't give two shits what they think. I just want an iPhone 4 without a flawed antenna. Everything else about the phone is great.
Perhaps if you waited a few weeks, for a little later in the production cycle, you may have your wish? Why are you so impatient?
You make it sound like it's life-or-death or now-or-never when it's neither.
Smart? By being designed in such a way that you have to think about how you're holding it when you pick it up? You're a ridiculous person. If you're going to use a forum to insult someone's intelligence, make sure you choose a better username than: Berp.[/QUOTE]
You can call me names... as long as they are mine.
As for a better username for this ridiculous person, would 'ire' land me a kiss on the cheek or a kick in the butt?
This community never fails to crack me up.
That must explain why you hang out here.
People have very high expectations for Apple products. It IS a premium brand.
I agree that Apple Computers are a 'premium brand.'
In what way is the iPhone a premium brand, compared to it's (true) competition, considering the total cost of ownership through a typical contract period (and not even factoring its higher resale value)?
You cannot claim this is a fanboy article. It's about the fit and finish, and the author actually mentioned the reception issues (which he didn't need to in the context of the article).
The article stated that the fit and finish are beautiful.
To the critics in this thread, I ask you: exactly what criticism of the fit and finish would you write about the iPhone 4?
Nice to see that someone else noticed. For a moment there, I thought I must be alone in having misrerad the piece.