I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.
Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.
If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.
If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.
Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.
You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.
You can get a Walled Garden app like NetFlix or StreamToMe that will provide access to R and X-rated material. Also, As you mentioned via the web with a browser.
So a parent cannot "really" prevent access to inappropriate material.
With 3 grandchildren (10, 11, 14) 7 Macs, 2 iPads, 6 iPhones it would be nice if a standard existed and is enforced for this content.
Say that a Parent wanted to set some global parental-control settings for a device with separate, optional passwords for each level (a high-level password would include all lower levels)
All content in an app or streamed over the Internet would include parental-guidance encoding, (possibly on a separate track) e.g.
-- G
-- PG
-- PG13
-- X
-- No Rating or encoding
-- YouTube
Then every app (including browsers) on the device would conform to the parental-guidance settings for the device.
Once a password was accepted, the device would remain "qualified" at that level until the device times out or the user logs out,
That way Apple (or anyone else) need not be concerned (or responsible) for policing the user habits of the consumer.
IMO, Apple could force this to happen and everyone would benefit!
You can get a Walled Garden app like NetFlix or StreamToMe that will provide access to R and X-rated material. Also, As you mentioned via the web with a browser.
So a parent cannot "really" prevent access to inappropriate material.
With 3 grandchildren (10, 11,14) 7 Macs, 2 iPads, 6 iPhones it would be nice if a standard existed and is enforced for this content.
I with you on this. Having seen a .xxx top level domain is now to happen, it would be nice if that was introduced along with some system (I know not what!) to get rid of all pornographic material on other domains, so that there would be an easy way for parents, grandparents etc. to ensure unsuitable content could be blocked.
The problem is the web is by design free, and whilst I'm sure a lot of the porn industry would probably be happy to find a way to stop minors viewing their content, an awful lot of people see putting porn on a site as a way to get advertising clicks.
I think the suitability of Apples approach is dependent on the ability to set restrictions on iOS as to which websites can be viewed. There seems to be little point in not allowing porn in the app store (at least, little point on protecting kids grounds, though I accept there are other reasons Apple may not want porn there), if kids with iPads can then goto whichever website they like.
I'd welcome input from others here - I have no idea how parental restrictions work on the iPad, given no kids have cause to use mine, so whilst I'll look tonight to satisfy my curiosity, I wonder if others have found iOS helpful in this area.
Parental controls, while welcomed, is still a band-aid. It's easy to say that it's up to the parents to monitor what their kids do but the reality is that it's just one extra task that will burden them and eventually fall through the cracks over time.
Filtering on the HTTP side is a much easier method to prevent access to subjective material. It can be utilized by both residential and corporate folks.
It's always a fine-line when decided what to allow on the App store and what should be banned. For what it's worth, Apple does (IMHO) better than anyone else and parents / corporations can be relatively assured that questionable content can be prevented from being installed via the App store. HTTP can be addressed based on where the access is coming from.
In the case of porn, if someone really, really wanted to see it and those critics be damned... then they can simply load the movie(s) into their iPhone via iTunes. I think in general, this issue is moot. It's the best compromise I believe given the environment of trying to please the most folks.
All content in an app or streamed over the Internet would include parental-guidance encoding, (possibly on a separate track) e.g.
-- G
-- PG
-- PG13
-- X
-- No Rating or encoding
-- YouTube
Then every app (including browsers) on the device would conform to the parental-guidance settings for the device.
The Internet spans beyond the borders of the USA, and standards of content vary widely across the globe. There is content that would be PG in the US because of no nudity, but would rate an R in other countries due to depiction of violence for example. There is no way to have a global standard in technology when we lack a standard culturally.
There is no way to have a global standard in technology when we lack a standard culturally.
And thank the maker for that! If it were up to Apple the whole internet would be Disneyfied. Can you imagine a world where "culture" would be what Jobs and his friends dictate? I'm not a big fan of prawn but I'm even less of a fan of censorship. It seems that Steve has a case of the Bono's; he feels he is so great that only he can decide what is good for the world.
Apple users are a lot like Singaporeans. Most are so happy with the things they have that they won't criticise anything the great leader decides for fear of losing what they have, no matter what restrictions are posed upon them.
The Internet spans beyond the borders of the USA, and standards of content vary widely across the globe. There is content that would be PG in the US because of no nudity, but would rate an R in other countries due to depiction of violence for example. There is no way to have a global standard in technology when we lack a standard culturally.
If you go to IMDB you often see the different ratings for different countries. These could be incorporated into the content and the device and settings could use Location Services to determ which ratings apply according to where the content is being viewed.
If you go to IMDB you often see the different ratings for different countries. These could be incorporated into the content and the device and settings could use Location Services to determ which ratings apply according to where the content is being viewed.
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Those ratings aren't just made up, the content owner has to pay the local censors office to view the content and rate it, which means restricting all videos from certain countries until someone rates them, which for most videos no one will.
Good news. But the best news is the idea all internet porn to have a .xxx suffix instead of .com. I hope it gets passed and adopted.
This will allow parents, libraries and businesses to block porn.
Don't get me wrong, I dig porn just as much as the next guy. But I wouldn't want my children exposed to it.
I do find it intrusive, time wasting to some degree and I can see why it can be addicting.
Me personally I avoid it. Just like I avoid casinos, slot machines, MacDonald's/fast food, Soft drinks/coca-cola, cigars, pipes, grass, red meat, processed food, etc.
But I don't avoid beer, bourbon or coffee, to name a few!
oop, the porn industry goes with HTML5. that'll probably be the final nail in the coffin!
gee, now parents will have to wonder what junior could be doing with his ipad underneath his blanket. hey, no need for a flash light, and the pictures move too! how cool is that?
I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.
Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.
If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.
If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.
Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.
You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.
I agree for the most part if we are talking about "porn." The trouble is Apple has banned and removed a lot of apps that couldn't remotely be described as "porn" at all.
Apple has removed all the apps it considers "too sexy" including bikini apps and all kinds of apps from other countries where what they portray is as normal and common as any other material.
Apple removed an "upskirt" app for instance when all it contained were pictures of women in skirts that you could "blow up" by touching the screen. It's hard to defend such a trivial app, but it's clearly *not* pornography at all and completely harmless. Apple also won't allow any kind of nudity even in apps that have no sexual content or purpose, (medical apps, art apps etc.), and that is just ridiculous.
When you add to that, the absolute hypocrisy of Apple letting in the Playboy app as well as hundreds of movies, songs, and TV shows with absolutely horrific content ... well it just makes no sense at all.
Apple is using a very Christian, and very American yardstick to measure for what they think is "objectionable." No one wants to see kiddy porn, but most of the rest of the world left behind America's Disney-esque concepts of what's "moral" many years ago.
Actually, the porn industry was very supportive of HDDVD.
For this reason many people thought that HDDVD would win the format war especially since the porn industry tipped the balance in the format war between DVD and DIVX (not to be confused with 'DivX').
I work in the porn industry and we always backed BluRay. We knew HD-DVD would lose because Microsoft was backing it (HD-DVD). I am fairly certain. At least the 20+ companies I was in regular contact with were behind BR. I am a DVD author and was told to get ready to start BR authoring which has now begun. It is possible that in the very beginning before BR (that is if timeline allows it) that they were behind HD-DVD where BR had yet arrived. But I was told to get ready at the moment SONY released the first batch of PS3's
We knew HD-DVD would lose because Microsoft was backing it
Really? I mean talk about throwing in that extra little bit of cheesiness for effect. So MS and Intel decided they liked HD DVD, and that sealed the fate of HD DVD. That's really amazing. Hey, I wonder what else we can predict when Microsoft shows interest in something. I'm all for some good ol MS bashing, but this was such a stretch it just was a facepalm moment for me when I read it.
Here to hoping this puts an end to Flash. The Flash streaming just about killed our network with the World Cup. Each user getting their own flash stream. Not able to split it or cache it. Just a nightmare waiting to happen for the next big event (9/11, MJ, World Cup 2014)...Be glad to see it out the door just as I was when the html blink tags faded into the forgotten html tag junk pile in the backyard.
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Here they come, trying to ram html5 down our throats, as well as other download inputs.
The porn industry is known for ramming things down throats.
I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.
Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.
If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.
If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.
Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.
You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.
You can get a Walled Garden app like NetFlix or StreamToMe that will provide access to R and X-rated material. Also, As you mentioned via the web with a browser.
So a parent cannot "really" prevent access to inappropriate material.
With 3 grandchildren (10, 11, 14) 7 Macs, 2 iPads, 6 iPhones it would be nice if a standard existed and is enforced for this content.
Say that a Parent wanted to set some global parental-control settings for a device with separate, optional passwords for each level (a high-level password would include all lower levels)
All content in an app or streamed over the Internet would include parental-guidance encoding, (possibly on a separate track) e.g.
-- G
-- PG
-- PG13
-- X
-- No Rating or encoding
-- YouTube
Then every app (including browsers) on the device would conform to the parental-guidance settings for the device.
Once a password was accepted, the device would remain "qualified" at that level until the device times out or the user logs out,
That way Apple (or anyone else) need not be concerned (or responsible) for policing the user habits of the consumer.
IMO, Apple could force this to happen and everyone would benefit!
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er, ah... let's see if I have this right: You will be able to watch flashers... you just won't be able to watch them using Flash!
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er, ah... let's see if I have this right: You will be able to watch flashers... you just won't be able to watch them using Flash!
If it has anything to do with full moons/mooning - then I'll pass.
You can get a Walled Garden app like NetFlix or StreamToMe that will provide access to R and X-rated material. Also, As you mentioned via the web with a browser.
So a parent cannot "really" prevent access to inappropriate material.
With 3 grandchildren (10, 11,14) 7 Macs, 2 iPads, 6 iPhones it would be nice if a standard existed and is enforced for this content.
I with you on this. Having seen a .xxx top level domain is now to happen, it would be nice if that was introduced along with some system (I know not what!) to get rid of all pornographic material on other domains, so that there would be an easy way for parents, grandparents etc. to ensure unsuitable content could be blocked.
The problem is the web is by design free, and whilst I'm sure a lot of the porn industry would probably be happy to find a way to stop minors viewing their content, an awful lot of people see putting porn on a site as a way to get advertising clicks.
I think the suitability of Apples approach is dependent on the ability to set restrictions on iOS as to which websites can be viewed. There seems to be little point in not allowing porn in the app store (at least, little point on protecting kids grounds, though I accept there are other reasons Apple may not want porn there), if kids with iPads can then goto whichever website they like.
I'd welcome input from others here - I have no idea how parental restrictions work on the iPad, given no kids have cause to use mine, so whilst I'll look tonight to satisfy my curiosity, I wonder if others have found iOS helpful in this area.
Parental controls, while welcomed, is still a band-aid. It's easy to say that it's up to the parents to monitor what their kids do but the reality is that it's just one extra task that will burden them and eventually fall through the cracks over time.
Filtering on the HTTP side is a much easier method to prevent access to subjective material. It can be utilized by both residential and corporate folks.
It's always a fine-line when decided what to allow on the App store and what should be banned. For what it's worth, Apple does (IMHO) better than anyone else and parents / corporations can be relatively assured that questionable content can be prevented from being installed via the App store. HTTP can be addressed based on where the access is coming from.
In the case of porn, if someone really, really wanted to see it and those critics be damned... then they can simply load the movie(s) into their iPhone via iTunes. I think in general, this issue is moot. It's the best compromise I believe given the environment of trying to please the most folks.
All content in an app or streamed over the Internet would include parental-guidance encoding, (possibly on a separate track) e.g.
-- G
-- PG
-- PG13
-- X
-- No Rating or encoding
-- YouTube
Then every app (including browsers) on the device would conform to the parental-guidance settings for the device.
The Internet spans beyond the borders of the USA, and standards of content vary widely across the globe. There is content that would be PG in the US because of no nudity, but would rate an R in other countries due to depiction of violence for example. There is no way to have a global standard in technology when we lack a standard culturally.
Ali Joone. You're my hero.
There is no way to have a global standard in technology when we lack a standard culturally.
And thank the maker for that! If it were up to Apple the whole internet would be Disneyfied. Can you imagine a world where "culture" would be what Jobs and his friends dictate? I'm not a big fan of prawn but I'm even less of a fan of censorship. It seems that Steve has a case of the Bono's; he feels he is so great that only he can decide what is good for the world.
Apple users are a lot like Singaporeans. Most are so happy with the things they have that they won't criticise anything the great leader decides for fear of losing what they have, no matter what restrictions are posed upon them.
The Internet spans beyond the borders of the USA, and standards of content vary widely across the globe. There is content that would be PG in the US because of no nudity, but would rate an R in other countries due to depiction of violence for example. There is no way to have a global standard in technology when we lack a standard culturally.
If you go to IMDB you often see the different ratings for different countries. These could be incorporated into the content and the device and settings could use Location Services to determ which ratings apply according to where the content is being viewed.
.
If you go to IMDB you often see the different ratings for different countries. These could be incorporated into the content and the device and settings could use Location Services to determ which ratings apply according to where the content is being viewed.
.
Those ratings aren't just made up, the content owner has to pay the local censors office to view the content and rate it, which means restricting all videos from certain countries until someone rates them, which for most videos no one will.
This will allow parents, libraries and businesses to block porn.
Don't get me wrong, I dig porn just as much as the next guy. But I wouldn't want my children exposed to it.
I do find it intrusive, time wasting to some degree and I can see why it can be addicting.
Me personally I avoid it. Just like I avoid casinos, slot machines, MacDonald's/fast food, Soft drinks/coca-cola, cigars, pipes, grass, red meat, processed food, etc.
But I don't avoid beer, bourbon or coffee, to name a few!
Cheers!
oop, the porn industry goes with HTML5. that'll probably be the final nail in the coffin!
gee, now parents will have to wonder what junior could be doing with his ipad underneath his blanket. hey, no need for a flash light, and the pictures move too! how cool is that?
God, I love naked women!
I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.
Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.
If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.
If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.
Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.
You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.
I agree for the most part if we are talking about "porn." The trouble is Apple has banned and removed a lot of apps that couldn't remotely be described as "porn" at all.
Apple has removed all the apps it considers "too sexy" including bikini apps and all kinds of apps from other countries where what they portray is as normal and common as any other material.
Apple removed an "upskirt" app for instance when all it contained were pictures of women in skirts that you could "blow up" by touching the screen. It's hard to defend such a trivial app, but it's clearly *not* pornography at all and completely harmless. Apple also won't allow any kind of nudity even in apps that have no sexual content or purpose, (medical apps, art apps etc.), and that is just ridiculous.
When you add to that, the absolute hypocrisy of Apple letting in the Playboy app as well as hundreds of movies, songs, and TV shows with absolutely horrific content ... well it just makes no sense at all.
Apple is using a very Christian, and very American yardstick to measure for what they think is "objectionable." No one wants to see kiddy porn, but most of the rest of the world left behind America's Disney-esque concepts of what's "moral" many years ago.
Actually, the porn industry was very supportive of HDDVD.
For this reason many people thought that HDDVD would win the format war especially since the porn industry tipped the balance in the format war between DVD and DIVX (not to be confused with 'DivX').
I work in the porn industry and we always backed BluRay. We knew HD-DVD would lose because Microsoft was backing it (HD-DVD). I am fairly certain. At least the 20+ companies I was in regular contact with were behind BR. I am a DVD author and was told to get ready to start BR authoring which has now begun. It is possible that in the very beginning before BR (that is if timeline allows it) that they were behind HD-DVD where BR had yet arrived. But I was told to get ready at the moment SONY released the first batch of PS3's
-David.
We knew HD-DVD would lose because Microsoft was backing it
Really? I mean talk about throwing in that extra little bit of cheesiness for effect. So MS and Intel decided they liked HD DVD, and that sealed the fate of HD DVD. That's really amazing. Hey, I wonder what else we can predict when Microsoft shows interest in something. I'm all for some good ol MS bashing, but this was such a stretch it just was a facepalm moment for me when I read it.
all those poor under age girls forced into world wide sex slavery
sad sad