Your ability to see beyond your own needs and think rationally is astounding. And I know you aren't stupid so how or why you are limiting yourself is a mystery.
Let's take your VW example. You have 10 miles to traverse, you could do that with a jet much faster, according to your previous comments about processor speeds equaling more performance and usability, so why would it take less overall time for you to drive than it would be to take a jet? Of course not, that's silly, but the jet has a higher top speed and if you go over x-distance the jet becomes the better option, but your claim is that the jet would perform better for me in every case and be more usable. BTW, where is my jetpack they promise in the 50s.
And YES, I'm asking if to do the exact same task of keeping multiple pages open in Safari while work. Mot of my posts to AI are from my iPhone yet I can perform more tasks easier than on the iPad, despite your claim that it's simply not possible.
I guess it's too much to expect an intelligent response from someone who can't even read a line chart.
I never said that it was impossible. I said that it was not going to happen UNLESS THERE WAS A SOFTWARE BUG. You're looking at a software bug.
And while you may think both the iPad and iPhone are doing the same thing, they're not.
iPhone: simply continue to display a page until changed
iPad: download and display page.
Clearly, the iPad is doing a lot more - which accounts for the fact that it takes longer. It's a software glitch causing that, NOT that the iPhone is faster than the iPad. Yes, if you spend your whole life looking at the same web page over and over again, the original iPhone might be faster. But for anything that doesn't depend on a software bug (or for normal usage where people go to different web sites), the iPad will always win.
Yes, if you spend your whole life looking at the same web page over and over again, the original iPhone might be faster. But for anything that doesn't depend on a software bug (or for normal usage where people go to different web sites), the iPad will always win.
Again you miss the point that it's going between multiple pages and apps ? not a static page ? that make the iPad perform worse for me to the point of being unusable. You are stuck on it being "faster" so it must be better.
However, you did some odd disclaimer at the end stating a 'but' which at least indicates you are opening yourself up to objective reasoning and admitting that being a "faster" device doesn't mean it can perform as well for the user's needs, though I don't think you'll admit that here.
i had an android phone last month and literally all i'd use it for was going to facebook. i don't think mobile phone users spend most of their time going to websites. i would say thats entirely ENTIRELY different for ipad users. im pretty sure thats the ONLY thing they use them for.
My Pogo stylus is just several hours away by Fedex. Can't wait, as long as I can still do some handwritten notes or sketches, that'll be the icing on the cake.
I know Jobs is against a stylus —*and as a general rule I agree with him — but there are simply no way that a handheld implement will be completely replaced by the finger. While the demo shows drawings, my interest is with technical books. Being able to use a stylus to highlight, underline, strikeout, and add notes and drawings to pages. Some of this can already be done, to an extent, with iBooks but it requires more steps and is more cumbersome.
I'd even like the stylus to have a couple buttons on it that connect to the device with Bluetooth, for example. One for switching between a types of virtual stylus tips (eg: highlighter colors and thicknesses, pen colors and thicknesses, strikethrough and underlining) and a button on the top that can be used to erase your last input easily and fast.
These things are important if we expect a digital textbook to ever overtake printed textbooks.
Just shows that Android needs to launch some decent. Slate/tablets. Is there even an Android tablet available at Best Buy?
They are in the works. Looks like the ones this year will mostly be Android v2.2 and not well suited for the larger display I/O. We probably have to wait until 2011 and Android 3.0 before we see a version of Android that actually focuses on competing with the iPad in any real way.
OK, now I know that this site is Apple biased, but come on people! You can't compare the iPad to Android. Android is only running on PHONES. The iPad is an INTERNET device--not a phone. One could easily turn the tables and say, wow, people talk more on their Android devices than on their iPads. DUH! the iPad doesn't make phone calls. While that's not exactly the same comparison, it's not far off. It's about niche marketing, which is what the iPad has clearly targeted.
Once Android appears on a tablet, watch out. It will clearly surpass iOS within a year...just like it's on the cusp of doing with Android phones.
Open always wins....closed loses. And iOS is closed. It's only a matter of time.
OK, now I know that this site is Apple biased, but come on people! You can't compare the iPad to Android. Android is only running on PHONES. The iPad is an INTERNET device--not a phone. One could easily turn the tables and say, wow, people talk more on their Android devices than on their iPads. DUH! the iPad doesn't make phone calls. While that's not exactly the same comparison, it's not far off. It's about niche marketing, which is what the iPad has clearly targeted.
Once Android appears on a tablet, watch out. It will clearly surpass iOS within a year...just like it's on the cusp of doing with Android phones.
Open always wins....closed loses. And iOS is closed. It's only a matter of time.
Linux is open ........ PS2 is closed/Nintendo/XBox your Sat TV DVR are closed
Open always wins....closed loses. And iOS is closed. It's only a matter of time.
Loses what? There's more to this than raw numbers. Advertisers want eyeballs that can actually buy stuff. It matters who the users are. Users of Apple's closed system are more affluent and better educated than other users. Advertisers pay more to advertise to such a market. Yes, an open system may have more screens, but if most of them are in it because it's cheap (or free) because they have only enough money for a cheap phone but few other resources . . . . you get the picture. So it's not as black and white as your post would imply.
I wish people understood what open means. There are few really open systems.
LOL. You guys really do make me laugh. Yes, I'm baaaaack already. Seriously, guys, this is all in fun. Sure, I'm an Android guy who switched from Blackberry and would never switch to an iPhone, even though every computer I own is a Macintosh.
I've just got some serious concerns with the direction that Jobs et al. is taking Apple. More and more developers are either defecting and/or complaining about the arbitrary nature of getting apps approved in the App Store. In the Android Market, it's quite the opposite. There are security protocols that every app must pass but, beyond that, any app can enter the Market. What's more, Android users have the option to put any app outside of the Market on their device by simply checking a box that says "allow non-Market apps." That's just one of many examples of open. How about the fact that I can change my keyboard to any type I want, even Swype? There is no Swype on iOS. It's completely changed the way I use the keyboard.
I read the Appleinsider forum on a daily basis, but I've never registered until today. For sure, you'll be seeing more from me.
LOL. You guys really do make me laugh. Yes, I'm baaaaack already. Seriously, guys, this is all in fun. Sure, I'm an Android guy who switched from Blackberry and would never switch to an iPhone, even though every computer I own is a Macintosh.
I've just got some serious concerns with the direction that Jobs et al. is taking Apple. More and more developers are either defecting and/or complaining about the arbitrary nature of getting apps approved in the App Store. In the Android Market, it's quite the opposite. There are security protocols that every app must pass but, beyond that, any app can enter the Market. What's more, Android users have the option to put any app outside of the Market on their device by simply checking a box that says "allow non-Market apps." That's just one of many examples of open. How about the fact that I can change my keyboard to any type I want, even Swype? There is no Swype on iOS. It's completely changed the way I use the keyboard.
I read the Appleinsider forum on a daily basis, but I've never registered until today. For sure, you'll be seeing more from me.
Respectfully....
I don't have a problem with the above. Choice is good. BTW I hear swype is coming to iPhone.
I don't agree that developers are deserting iOS. However I do agree that the approval process is not transparent enough. Though I can tell you from first hand experience it can be very quick and, anecdotal I know, but everyone I know gets approved. So Sure there is room for improvement regarding the iTunes market. That's the future challenge for Apple.
The only thing I think noteworthy is the option to tick a box and install apps outside the android market.
Currently iPhone users have to jailbreak their iPhone to get that option. Though jail breaking is getting more and more one click.
I'd be interested to know if there's are additional legal responsibilities when you test and assure apps for user security vs when you allow any app onto the platform and then remove it later when its proven to be malicious.
LOL. You guys really do make me laugh. Yes, I'm baaaaack already. Seriously, guys, this is all in fun. Sure, I'm an Android guy who switched from Blackberry and would never switch to an iPhone, even though every computer I own is a Macintosh.
I've just got some serious concerns with the direction that Jobs et al. is taking Apple. More and more developers are either defecting and/or complaining about the arbitrary nature of getting apps approved in the App Store. In the Android Market, it's quite the opposite. There are security protocols that every app must pass but, beyond that, any app can enter the Market. What's more, Android users have the option to put any app outside of the Market on their device by simply checking a box that says "allow non-Market apps." That's just one of many examples of open. How about the fact that I can change my keyboard to any type I want, even Swype? There is no Swype on iOS. It's completely changed the way I use the keyboard.
I read the Appleinsider forum on a daily basis, but I've never registered until today. For sure, you'll be seeing more from me.
Respectfully....
Do you have a citation for: "More and more developers are either defecting and/or complaining about the arbitrary nature of getting apps approved in the App Store."
Negative stories are the ones that seem to get the most attention. For example, the recent, but discredited, BGR report on the Steve Jobs emails.
One of the comments in the above article links what appears to be an anti-Android rant. But, each of his topic headings is a link to supporting material (there are no pro-Android points discussed):
The 3rd topic from the bottom, in the above, is labeled "Actually, developers aren’t only frustrated, but they are also backlashing against Android’s poor distribution model and horrible user experience."
Good discussions, guys. I must say that I'm impressed by the high level of respect to my responses. This doesn't always happen--in Android forums, the iPhone fanboys bash the Phandroids; and in the Apple forums, the iPhone guys bash the Phandroids. This has been perhaps the most respectful forum I've written in.
@Magic8ball--yes, Swype is in the early testing stages (alpha, perhaps) for iPhone. Initially, there was a beta for it, but then it was closed down by Apple. The developer has tried again to bring it to Apple--but it seems that it's still quite a ways away. Hopefully, sooner than later.
While Apple is clearly the leader NOW, the data taken from this survey cannot be ignored, such as:
"However, 55 percent of the developers said Android has the most capabilities as an OS, compared with 39 percent for Apple. Eighty-six percent said Android is the most open platform, while 8 percent said that about Apple. And 54 percent said Android has the best long-term outlook, compared with 40 percent who said that about Apple."
Good discussions, guys. I must say that I'm impressed by the high level of respect to my responses. This doesn't always happen--in Android forums, the iPhone fanboys bash the Phandroids; and in the Apple forums, the iPhone guys bash the Phandroids. This has been perhaps the most respectful forum I've written in.
Well, you didn't enter the AI forum with guns blazing, I think that you will find that most members here are fans of Apple and their products to a varying degree. Most are reasonable, most of the time, and come here to discuss relevant topics in a reasoned way.
While I don't completely agree with your posts, I do respect your opinions because they are offered in a way that encourages discussion.
Many people join the forum, drop a few bombs, then disappear (or reappear under another alias).
Regular members are wary of this, and sometimes they overreact to a new member who makes a series of negative posts (I know I do).
@Magic8ball--yes, Swype is in the early testing stages (alpha, perhaps) for iPhone. Initially, there was a beta for it, but then it was closed down by Apple. The developer has tried again to bring it to Apple--but it seems that it's still quite a ways away. Hopefully, sooner than later.
The third link is broken (doubled up). The article, basically, discusses the iPhone Flash issue. That issue has been discussed in many threads in many forums. There are valid points on both sides of the issue. IMO, one of the major reasons not to allow lowest-common-denometer cross-platform app-generator tools-- is that they do not exploit Apple's platform and/or detract from the user experience.
It is interesting that Adobe is, apparently, finessing this restriction with the tools used to generate some magazine apps...
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These are just a few of many articles that came up from the search "iphone developers unhappy."
While Apple is clearly the leader NOW, the data taken from this survey cannot be ignored, such as:
"However, 55 percent of the developers said Android has the most capabilities as an OS, compared with 39 percent for Apple. Eighty-six percent said Android is the most open platform, while 8 percent said that about Apple. And 54 percent said Android has the best long-term outlook, compared with 40 percent who said that about Apple."
Here's the thing about that: The top issue is "control" . Control is kinda' like virginity-- once given up, never regained. Apple's review process and restrictions are [mostly] serving them well, at present (Apple, most developers, a large percent of customers). Should the situation change, I suspect that Apple will change their policies.
Well, you didn't enter the AI forum with guns blazing, I think that you will find that most members here are fans of Apple and their products to a varying degree. Most are reasonable, most of the time, and come here to discuss relevant topics in a reasoned way.
While I don't completely agree with your posts, I do respect your opinions because they are offered in a way that encourages discussion.
Many people join the forum, drop a few bombs, then disappear (or reappear under another alias).
Regular members are wary of this, and sometimes they overreact to a new member who makes a series of negative posts (I know I do).
The third link is broken (doubled up). The article, basically, discusses the iPhone Flash issue. That issue has been discussed in many threads in many forums. There are valid points on both sides of the issue. IMO, one of the major reasons not to allow lowest-common-denometer cross-platform app-generator tools-- is that they do not exploit Apple's platform and/or detract from the user experience.
It is interesting that Adobe is, apparently, finessing this restriction with the tools used to generate some magazine apps...
Here's the thing about that: The top issue is "control" . Control is kinda' like virginity-- once given up, never regained. Apple's review process and restrictions are [mostly] serving them well, at present (Apple, most developers, a large percent of customers). Should the situation change, I suspect that Apple will change their policies.
Anyway, welcome aboard!
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Thanks, guys! I appreciate that.
I'd like your feedback on this link I just found today:
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Your ability to see beyond your own needs and think rationally is astounding. And I know you aren't stupid so how or why you are limiting yourself is a mystery.
Let's take your VW example. You have 10 miles to traverse, you could do that with a jet much faster, according to your previous comments about processor speeds equaling more performance and usability, so why would it take less overall time for you to drive than it would be to take a jet? Of course not, that's silly, but the jet has a higher top speed and if you go over x-distance the jet becomes the better option, but your claim is that the jet would perform better for me in every case and be more usable. BTW, where is my jetpack they promise in the 50s.
And YES, I'm asking if to do the exact same task of keeping multiple pages open in Safari while work. Mot of my posts to AI are from my iPhone yet I can perform more tasks easier than on the iPad, despite your claim that it's simply not possible.
I guess it's too much to expect an intelligent response from someone who can't even read a line chart.
I never said that it was impossible. I said that it was not going to happen UNLESS THERE WAS A SOFTWARE BUG. You're looking at a software bug.
And while you may think both the iPad and iPhone are doing the same thing, they're not.
iPhone: simply continue to display a page until changed
iPad: download and display page.
Clearly, the iPad is doing a lot more - which accounts for the fact that it takes longer. It's a software glitch causing that, NOT that the iPhone is faster than the iPad. Yes, if you spend your whole life looking at the same web page over and over again, the original iPhone might be faster. But for anything that doesn't depend on a software bug (or for normal usage where people go to different web sites), the iPad will always win.
Yes, if you spend your whole life looking at the same web page over and over again, the original iPhone might be faster. But for anything that doesn't depend on a software bug (or for normal usage where people go to different web sites), the iPad will always win.
Again you miss the point that it's going between multiple pages and apps ? not a static page ? that make the iPad perform worse for me to the point of being unusable. You are stuck on it being "faster" so it must be better.
However, you did some odd disclaimer at the end stating a 'but' which at least indicates you are opening yourself up to objective reasoning and admitting that being a "faster" device doesn't mean it can perform as well for the user's needs, though I don't think you'll admit that here.
Just iPad, no iPhone! ... Holy Moly
No, for some reason they left the iPhone out. Go figure.
i dare this to be true of facebook.com
i had an android phone last month and literally all i'd use it for was going to facebook. i don't think mobile phone users spend most of their time going to websites. i would say thats entirely ENTIRELY different for ipad users. im pretty sure thats the ONLY thing they use them for.
I agree, think you're on to something here.
My Pogo stylus is just several hours away by Fedex. Can't wait, as long as I can still do some handwritten notes or sketches, that'll be the icing on the cake.
Are you aware of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgTcyjzXfTg
I have been delaying buying a Pogo-- waiting for pressure sensitive. I made a serviceable homemade stylus with aluminum foil.
Here is an interesting new development...I know Jobs is against a stylus —*and as a general rule I agree with him — but there are simply no way that a handheld implement will be completely replaced by the finger. While the demo shows drawings, my interest is with technical books. Being able to use a stylus to highlight, underline, strikeout, and add notes and drawings to pages. Some of this can already be done, to an extent, with iBooks but it requires more steps and is more cumbersome.
I'd even like the stylus to have a couple buttons on it that connect to the device with Bluetooth, for example. One for switching between a types of virtual stylus tips (eg: highlighter colors and thicknesses, pen colors and thicknesses, strikethrough and underlining) and a button on the top that can be used to erase your last input easily and fast.
These things are important if we expect a digital textbook to ever overtake printed textbooks.
Just shows that Android needs to launch some decent. Slate/tablets. Is there even an Android tablet available at Best Buy?
They are in the works. Looks like the ones this year will mostly be Android v2.2 and not well suited for the larger display I/O. We probably have to wait until 2011 and Android 3.0 before we see a version of Android that actually focuses on competing with the iPad in any real way.
Once Android appears on a tablet, watch out. It will clearly surpass iOS within a year...just like it's on the cusp of doing with Android phones.
Open always wins....closed loses. And iOS is closed. It's only a matter of time.
OK, now I know that this site is Apple biased, but come on people! You can't compare the iPad to Android. Android is only running on PHONES. The iPad is an INTERNET device--not a phone. One could easily turn the tables and say, wow, people talk more on their Android devices than on their iPads. DUH! the iPad doesn't make phone calls. While that's not exactly the same comparison, it's not far off. It's about niche marketing, which is what the iPad has clearly targeted.
Once Android appears on a tablet, watch out. It will clearly surpass iOS within a year...just like it's on the cusp of doing with Android phones.
Open always wins....closed loses. And iOS is closed. It's only a matter of time.
Linux is open ........ PS2 is closed/Nintendo/XBox your Sat TV DVR are closed
It's not always that simple
Open always wins....closed loses. And iOS is closed. It's only a matter of time.
Loses what? There's more to this than raw numbers. Advertisers want eyeballs that can actually buy stuff. It matters who the users are. Users of Apple's closed system are more affluent and better educated than other users. Advertisers pay more to advertise to such a market. Yes, an open system may have more screens, but if most of them are in it because it's cheap (or free) because they have only enough money for a cheap phone but few other resources . . . . you get the picture. So it's not as black and white as your post would imply.
I doubt jayhammy will be back, magic8ball. His post appears to be a drive by.
Figures
I wish people understood what open means. there are few really open systems.
Figures
I wish people understood what open means. there are few really open systems.
Yeah, it is my understanding that Android is totally open... except for the parts that aren't!
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Figures
I wish people understood what open means. There are few really open systems.
LOL. You guys really do make me laugh. Yes, I'm baaaaack already. Seriously, guys, this is all in fun. Sure, I'm an Android guy who switched from Blackberry and would never switch to an iPhone, even though every computer I own is a Macintosh.
I've just got some serious concerns with the direction that Jobs et al. is taking Apple. More and more developers are either defecting and/or complaining about the arbitrary nature of getting apps approved in the App Store. In the Android Market, it's quite the opposite. There are security protocols that every app must pass but, beyond that, any app can enter the Market. What's more, Android users have the option to put any app outside of the Market on their device by simply checking a box that says "allow non-Market apps." That's just one of many examples of open. How about the fact that I can change my keyboard to any type I want, even Swype? There is no Swype on iOS. It's completely changed the way I use the keyboard.
I read the Appleinsider forum on a daily basis, but I've never registered until today. For sure, you'll be seeing more from me.
Respectfully....
LOL. You guys really do make me laugh. Yes, I'm baaaaack already. Seriously, guys, this is all in fun. Sure, I'm an Android guy who switched from Blackberry and would never switch to an iPhone, even though every computer I own is a Macintosh.
I've just got some serious concerns with the direction that Jobs et al. is taking Apple. More and more developers are either defecting and/or complaining about the arbitrary nature of getting apps approved in the App Store. In the Android Market, it's quite the opposite. There are security protocols that every app must pass but, beyond that, any app can enter the Market. What's more, Android users have the option to put any app outside of the Market on their device by simply checking a box that says "allow non-Market apps." That's just one of many examples of open. How about the fact that I can change my keyboard to any type I want, even Swype? There is no Swype on iOS. It's completely changed the way I use the keyboard.
I read the Appleinsider forum on a daily basis, but I've never registered until today. For sure, you'll be seeing more from me.
Respectfully....
I don't have a problem with the above. Choice is good. BTW I hear swype is coming to iPhone.
I don't agree that developers are deserting iOS. However I do agree that the approval process is not transparent enough. Though I can tell you from first hand experience it can be very quick and, anecdotal I know, but everyone I know gets approved. So Sure there is room for improvement regarding the iTunes market. That's the future challenge for Apple.
The only thing I think noteworthy is the option to tick a box and install apps outside the android market.
Currently iPhone users have to jailbreak their iPhone to get that option. Though jail breaking is getting more and more one click.
I'd be interested to know if there's are additional legal responsibilities when you test and assure apps for user security vs when you allow any app onto the platform and then remove it later when its proven to be malicious.
I read the Appleinsider forum on a daily basis, but I've never registered until today. For sure, you'll be seeing more from me.
Respectfully....
Glad to be wrong then.
LOL. You guys really do make me laugh. Yes, I'm baaaaack already. Seriously, guys, this is all in fun. Sure, I'm an Android guy who switched from Blackberry and would never switch to an iPhone, even though every computer I own is a Macintosh.
I've just got some serious concerns with the direction that Jobs et al. is taking Apple. More and more developers are either defecting and/or complaining about the arbitrary nature of getting apps approved in the App Store. In the Android Market, it's quite the opposite. There are security protocols that every app must pass but, beyond that, any app can enter the Market. What's more, Android users have the option to put any app outside of the Market on their device by simply checking a box that says "allow non-Market apps." That's just one of many examples of open. How about the fact that I can change my keyboard to any type I want, even Swype? There is no Swype on iOS. It's completely changed the way I use the keyboard.
I read the Appleinsider forum on a daily basis, but I've never registered until today. For sure, you'll be seeing more from me.
Respectfully....
Do you have a citation for: "More and more developers are either defecting and/or complaining about the arbitrary nature of getting apps approved in the App Store."
Negative stories are the ones that seem to get the most attention. For example, the recent, but discredited, BGR report on the Steve Jobs emails.
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/07/03/the-entire-steve-jobs-email-story-its-real/comment-page-9/#comments
As to iPhone developers vs Apple developers, here is a recent article that appears fairly objective:
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/07/05/pair-...r-no/#comments
One of the comments in the above article links what appears to be an anti-Android rant. But, each of his topic headings is a link to supporting material (there are no pro-Android points discussed):
http://scottworldblog.wordpress.com/...hone-vs-droid/
The 3rd topic from the bottom, in the above, is labeled "Actually, developers aren’t only frustrated, but they are also backlashing against Android’s poor distribution model and horrible user experience."
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/25813/
I followed this link (but not the others) as it applied to my question about your post.
Wow, citations 3 levels deep-- I guess I must admit that I am [mostly] an Apple fan, and a shareholder.
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@Magic8ball--yes, Swype is in the early testing stages (alpha, perhaps) for iPhone. Initially, there was a beta for it, but then it was closed down by Apple. The developer has tried again to bring it to Apple--but it seems that it's still quite a ways away. Hopefully, sooner than later.
Here are a few links to articles on developers:
http://www.maclife.com/article/news/...py_dev_process
http://www.businessinsider.com/faceb...new-sdk-2010-4
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/a...-sharing-.html
These are just a few of many articles that came up from the search "iphone developers unhappy."
Here's one on a survey of over 2000 developers who think Android has longer term potential than Apple: http://www.cnet.com/8301-19736_1-20008720-251.html
While Apple is clearly the leader NOW, the data taken from this survey cannot be ignored, such as:
"However, 55 percent of the developers said Android has the most capabilities as an OS, compared with 39 percent for Apple. Eighty-six percent said Android is the most open platform, while 8 percent said that about Apple. And 54 percent said Android has the best long-term outlook, compared with 40 percent who said that about Apple."
Good discussions, guys. I must say that I'm impressed by the high level of respect to my responses. This doesn't always happen--in Android forums, the iPhone fanboys bash the Phandroids; and in the Apple forums, the iPhone guys bash the Phandroids. This has been perhaps the most respectful forum I've written in.
Well, you didn't enter the AI forum with guns blazing, I think that you will find that most members here are fans of Apple and their products to a varying degree. Most are reasonable, most of the time, and come here to discuss relevant topics in a reasoned way.
While I don't completely agree with your posts, I do respect your opinions because they are offered in a way that encourages discussion.
Many people join the forum, drop a few bombs, then disappear (or reappear under another alias).
Regular members are wary of this, and sometimes they overreact to a new member who makes a series of negative posts (I know I do).
But, hey-- reasonable behavior begets reasonable behavior!
@Magic8ball--yes, Swype is in the early testing stages (alpha, perhaps) for iPhone. Initially, there was a beta for it, but then it was closed down by Apple. The developer has tried again to bring it to Apple--but it seems that it's still quite a ways away. Hopefully, sooner than later.
Here are a few links to articles on developers:
http://www.maclife.com/article/news/...py_dev_process
http://www.businessinsider.com/faceb...new-sdk-2010-4
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/a...-sharing-.html
The first 2 links are about the same developer.
The third link is broken (doubled up). The article, basically, discusses the iPhone Flash issue. That issue has been discussed in many threads in many forums. There are valid points on both sides of the issue. IMO, one of the major reasons not to allow lowest-common-denometer cross-platform app-generator tools-- is that they do not exploit Apple's platform and/or detract from the user experience.
It is interesting that Adobe is, apparently, finessing this restriction with the tools used to generate some magazine apps...
These are just a few of many articles that came up from the search "iphone developers unhappy."
Here's one on a survey of over 2000 developers who think Android has longer term potential than Apple: http://www.cnet.com/8301-19736_1-20008720-251.html
While Apple is clearly the leader NOW, the data taken from this survey cannot be ignored, such as:
"However, 55 percent of the developers said Android has the most capabilities as an OS, compared with 39 percent for Apple. Eighty-six percent said Android is the most open platform, while 8 percent said that about Apple. And 54 percent said Android has the best long-term outlook, compared with 40 percent who said that about Apple."
Here's the thing about that: The top issue is "control" . Control is kinda' like virginity-- once given up, never regained. Apple's review process and restrictions are [mostly] serving them well, at present (Apple, most developers, a large percent of customers). Should the situation change, I suspect that Apple will change their policies.
Anyway, welcome aboard!
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Well, you didn't enter the AI forum with guns blazing, I think that you will find that most members here are fans of Apple and their products to a varying degree. Most are reasonable, most of the time, and come here to discuss relevant topics in a reasoned way.
While I don't completely agree with your posts, I do respect your opinions because they are offered in a way that encourages discussion.
Many people join the forum, drop a few bombs, then disappear (or reappear under another alias).
Regular members are wary of this, and sometimes they overreact to a new member who makes a series of negative posts (I know I do).
But, hey-- reasonable behavior begets reasonable behavior!
The first 2 links are about the same developer.
The third link is broken (doubled up). The article, basically, discusses the iPhone Flash issue. That issue has been discussed in many threads in many forums. There are valid points on both sides of the issue. IMO, one of the major reasons not to allow lowest-common-denometer cross-platform app-generator tools-- is that they do not exploit Apple's platform and/or detract from the user experience.
It is interesting that Adobe is, apparently, finessing this restriction with the tools used to generate some magazine apps...
Here's the thing about that: The top issue is "control" . Control is kinda' like virginity-- once given up, never regained. Apple's review process and restrictions are [mostly] serving them well, at present (Apple, most developers, a large percent of customers). Should the situation change, I suspect that Apple will change their policies.
Anyway, welcome aboard!
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Thanks, guys! I appreciate that.
I'd like your feedback on this link I just found today:
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart...siness+Insider)
Thoughts? Sure, it's just one more survey, but the bigger question is, "is this becoming a trend?"
Of course, the readers' comments below the article are always a hoot to read. The various "fanboys" are apparent to which camp they belong. LOL.