Page is full of shit and he knows it. How ironic that he's saying that Jobs is trying to re-write history.
Google has always been about copying other market leaders. Think about it, they do it with every single product that they have, starting with search. Granted, they embellish it with their own spin, but Google is just a giant copy factory.
Prior to Apple, they were gearing to copy the biggest smartphone operator at the time, Blackberry. That's why if you look at the photo posted above you can clearly see that it's a knockoff of Blackberry. After iPhone's release they realized that the Apple version of the smartphone was going to lead the market and they quickly copied that.
So, Page, you can f-off you lying piece of crap.
Page really expects the tech world to believe this? I can only imagine he's preaching to the lesser lights of the Android community.
Anyone who is up to speed on the smallest amount of tech history is not going take this crap seriously.
What's he trying to prove?
Are Android's devotees this naive?
Come on Page, you really don't expect us to swallow this,
Wah. You were working on a trashy RIM-lookalike ho-hum. Android was inspired through and through by the iPhone. I don't really care?competition drives the whole market to new heights and we all benefit?but if you're going to copy someone (and wow, Google, you've become great at that lately), don't try to pretend you're the key innovator.
Apple has been, and choose to be a Product Company. Google see itself as a Platform Company. Android is an extension of Google's search platform. Steve Jobs has admitted that he never saw Apple compete with platforms, maybe that was why Microsoft won the desktop platform war.
but either way, get your facts straight and "GOOGLE" the Mac / Microsoft wars, it's even posted here in AI for you to read before you make these uneducated and uniformed comments.
Micro$hit NEVER created ANYTHING they just would buy up the competition and KILL THE them off after they would siphon out what they wanted then shut them down.
Just as they did when they purchased the company 'DANGER' and used it to create the KIN phone which only sold some 500 units in 48 days of release... now they are shutting it down.
Micro$hit is becoming irrelevant as we go along.. what does BILL GATES do now?? is he saving the world by giving all that $$$ he stole from everybody??
Apple had made a deal with Micro$hit back in the heyday to share information when creating Micro$hit Office for the Mac and they also stole the entire desktop/foldes drag and drop/ trash can on the desktop technology from Apple way back when in 1995 when Micro$hit had released WIndoze '95 (Apple was trying to sue Micro$hit from bringing that crap to market, but Micro$hit had more $$$ in the republican party (Bush Senior was in control back then) so the lawsuit was dismissed and Micro$hit got away with it)-- any how do your research man ---
That has nothing to do with the initial claim that, "Microsoft has no history of being able to sell any consumer products."... Nothing.
The X-Box 360 is clear evidence that Microsoft can successfully sell a consumer product, all other arguments are moot/irrelevant to this statement.
Seriously? That's what you call "successful"? Without the deep pockets from Windows+Office the XBOX 360 would have been the FURTHEST THING FROM SUCCESSFUL. I think the 360 is a fun system - love Live and the downloadable content when compared to Nintendo and Sony's offerings, but they would have been bankrupt long ago if it was just the 360 they were depending on.
So Larry Page says Google have been working on phones a long time (before the iPhone was announced), which is correct. As someone has posted they were clones of the most popular smartphone in the US today ? the Blackberry.
And then Vic Gundotra says at I/O that if Google didn't act we faced a totalitarian future dictated by one man and one company (implying Android came as a response to iPhone).
So which one is it? Well the truth is somewhere in between. Yes Google were working on cellphones long before the unveiling of iPhone, but that work changed tact dramatically in response to iPhone and the MultiTouch? user interface.
Google are very good at telling a tale which suits them as well.
If Google was working on a phone long before the iPhone, wouldn't it be easy to prove? Obviously they would have detailed documentation of their R&D.
Seriously? That's what you call "successful"? Without the deep pockets from Windows+Office the XBOX 360 would have been the FURTHEST THING FROM SUCCESSFUL. I think the 360 is a fun system - love Live and the downloadable content when compared to Nintendo and Sony's offerings, but they would have been bankrupt long ago if it was just the 360 they were depending on.
The same could be said for some of Apple's offering (Apple TV immediately comes to mind)...
This whole "animosity" bit is simply a smokescreen to put the antitrust pressure to rest. Apple and Google are still partnered up as they ever were and all of this (including memos to employees) is simply a very good way to get the pressure off. Jobs and Schmidt were having coffee because they are still buddies and still working closely together to kill off the competition (not a good thing).
Apple and Google are sly dogs these days. Nothing more than that.
This whole "animosity" bit is simply a smokescreen to put the antitrust pressure to rest. Apple and Google are still partnered up as they ever were and all of this (including memos to employees) is simply a very good way to get the pressure off. Jobs and Schmidt were having coffee because they are still buddies and still working closely together to kill off the competition (not a good thing).
Apple and Google are sly dogs these days. Nothing more than that.
Didn't some Google VP recently at some Google Keynote say that Android was a response to what Apple was doing with the iPhone?
There have been internet aware phones on the market prior to the iPhone, but they all didn't start to look like the iPhone (both hardware and software) until after the iPhone was released.
This is the crux of the issue. Its more about inspiration than timing.
Yes, Google was working on phones before the iPhone.
Really? I hope you are not just thinking that Apple started working on the iPhone about Dec 2006 to release in June 2007.
My guess is that Apple were working on it for some years before that. Listen to Steve at All Things D this year. Even the iPad was being worked on before the iphone.
Maybe you should have said that Google was working on phones before the iPhone was *launched*?
But i would doubt that google was working on phones pre 2003/2004 ?
Unless someone can correct me on it, I am just speculating...
Didn't some Google VP recently at some Google Keynote say that Android was a response to what Apple was doing with the iPhone?
There have been internet aware phones on the market prior to the iPhone, but they all didn't start to look like the iPhone (both hardware and software) until after the iPhone was released.
... or was that LG's KE850 PRADA (since it was the first official all-touch-screen phone) ?
"Despite animosity between Google and Apple, Jobs was spotted having coffee in public with Schmidt back in March. The two were seen talking at a cafe in Palo Alto, Calif."
If anyone remembers the first android phone prototypes - they had a physical keyboard and a trackball, and looked more similar to WinMo then iPhone OS. After iPhone came out android became the iPhone OS for the rest of us and really adopted much of the features and looks of the iPhone and iPhone OS. To say that Android would have been what it is even if Apple did not launch its iPhone is ridiculous, though it is true that android has been in development around the same time as iPhone OS.
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Wow. Thanks for stamping TROLL in large neon letters on your forehead....
...and irrational fan-boy on yours.
Now back to our regularly scheduled topic... ;-)
Wow. Thanks for stamping TROLL in large neon letters on your forehead....
Oh, he did that long ago, some days he just waits a little longer to flip on the switch and light it up.
Page is full of shit and he knows it. How ironic that he's saying that Jobs is trying to re-write history.
Google has always been about copying other market leaders. Think about it, they do it with every single product that they have, starting with search. Granted, they embellish it with their own spin, but Google is just a giant copy factory.
Prior to Apple, they were gearing to copy the biggest smartphone operator at the time, Blackberry. That's why if you look at the photo posted above you can clearly see that it's a knockoff of Blackberry. After iPhone's release they realized that the Apple version of the smartphone was going to lead the market and they quickly copied that.
So, Page, you can f-off you lying piece of crap.
Page really expects the tech world to believe this? I can only imagine he's preaching to the lesser lights of the Android community.
Anyone who is up to speed on the smallest amount of tech history is not going take this crap seriously.
What's he trying to prove?
Are Android's devotees this naive?
Come on Page, you really don't expect us to swallow this,
do you?
Idiot.
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...............Microsoft can successfully sell a consumer product, all other arguments are moot/irrelevant to this statement.
Are you ever going to give up? You are such a dick Daharder, no one here give a rat's arse what you think.
Idiot.
Apple has been, and choose to be a Product Company. Google see itself as a Platform Company. Android is an extension of Google's search platform. Steve Jobs has admitted that he never saw Apple compete with platforms, maybe that was why Microsoft won the desktop platform war.
but either way, get your facts straight and "GOOGLE" the Mac / Microsoft wars, it's even posted here in AI for you to read before you make these uneducated and uniformed comments.
Micro$hit NEVER created ANYTHING they just would buy up the competition and KILL THE them off after they would siphon out what they wanted then shut them down.
Just as they did when they purchased the company 'DANGER' and used it to create the KIN phone which only sold some 500 units in 48 days of release... now they are shutting it down.
Micro$hit is becoming irrelevant as we go along.. what does BILL GATES do now?? is he saving the world by giving all that $$$ he stole from everybody??
Apple had made a deal with Micro$hit back in the heyday to share information when creating Micro$hit Office for the Mac and they also stole the entire desktop/foldes drag and drop/ trash can on the desktop technology from Apple way back when in 1995 when Micro$hit had released WIndoze '95 (Apple was trying to sue Micro$hit from bringing that crap to market, but Micro$hit had more $$$ in the republican party (Bush Senior was in control back then) so the lawsuit was dismissed and Micro$hit got away with it)-- any how do your research man ---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_C...ft_Corporation
That has nothing to do with the initial claim that, "Microsoft has no history of being able to sell any consumer products."... Nothing.
The X-Box 360 is clear evidence that Microsoft can successfully sell a consumer product, all other arguments are moot/irrelevant to this statement.
Seriously? That's what you call "successful"? Without the deep pockets from Windows+Office the XBOX 360 would have been the FURTHEST THING FROM SUCCESSFUL. I think the 360 is a fun system - love Live and the downloadable content when compared to Nintendo and Sony's offerings, but they would have been bankrupt long ago if it was just the 360 they were depending on.
So Larry Page says Google have been working on phones a long time (before the iPhone was announced), which is correct. As someone has posted they were clones of the most popular smartphone in the US today ? the Blackberry.
And then Vic Gundotra says at I/O that if Google didn't act we faced a totalitarian future dictated by one man and one company (implying Android came as a response to iPhone).
So which one is it? Well the truth is somewhere in between. Yes Google were working on cellphones long before the unveiling of iPhone, but that work changed tact dramatically in response to iPhone and the MultiTouch? user interface.
Google are very good at telling a tale which suits them as well.
If Google was working on a phone long before the iPhone, wouldn't it be easy to prove? Obviously they would have detailed documentation of their R&D.
Are you ever going to give up? You are such a dick Daharder, no one here give a rat's arse what you think.
Idiot.
Juvenile Name-Calling... clearly the last gasps of one having lost an argument.
Seriously? That's what you call "successful"? Without the deep pockets from Windows+Office the XBOX 360 would have been the FURTHEST THING FROM SUCCESSFUL. I think the 360 is a fun system - love Live and the downloadable content when compared to Nintendo and Sony's offerings, but they would have been bankrupt long ago if it was just the 360 they were depending on.
The same could be said for some of Apple's offering (Apple TV immediately comes to mind)...
I wish Apple would enter the search sector.
Anything's Possible... Just look at iAds
Anything's Possible... Just look at iAds
I generally ignore ads, but some of the iAds aren't half bad. I guess not being thrown out of your app is a little less annoying.
Apple and Google are sly dogs these days. Nothing more than that.
This whole "animosity" bit is simply a smokescreen to put the antitrust pressure to rest. Apple and Google are still partnered up as they ever were and all of this (including memos to employees) is simply a very good way to get the pressure off. Jobs and Schmidt were having coffee because they are still buddies and still working closely together to kill off the competition (not a good thing).
Apple and Google are sly dogs these days. Nothing more than that.
That's an awful lot to read into a cup of coffee.
There have been internet aware phones on the market prior to the iPhone, but they all didn't start to look like the iPhone (both hardware and software) until after the iPhone was released.
This is the crux of the issue. Its more about inspiration than timing.
Yes, Google was working on phones before the iPhone.
Really? I hope you are not just thinking that Apple started working on the iPhone about Dec 2006 to release in June 2007.
My guess is that Apple were working on it for some years before that. Listen to Steve at All Things D this year. Even the iPad was being worked on before the iphone.
Maybe you should have said that Google was working on phones before the iPhone was *launched*?
But i would doubt that google was working on phones pre 2003/2004 ?
Unless someone can correct me on it, I am just speculating...
Didn't some Google VP recently at some Google Keynote say that Android was a response to what Apple was doing with the iPhone?
There have been internet aware phones on the market prior to the iPhone, but they all didn't start to look like the iPhone (both hardware and software) until after the iPhone was released.
... or was that LG's KE850 PRADA (since it was the first official all-touch-screen phone) ?
Wrong, that was their avatars talking!