That doesn't make it improper. If it did, it would be a STANDARD warning or in the description of use for every mobile phone.
Again, nothing in anything that Apple has said or stated was the word 'improper' used or implied.
But IT IS STANDARD practice to put such warnings into user manual of mobile phone, at least every phone I used had such wording, "Avoid holding the phone in X area"
From an investor's point of view, I would be suspicious about the timing of the whole announcement regarding the iPhone's antenna (30 minutes before the bell)... I mean, they claim it is a great phone, and then they claim it is not, based on sloppy research (see other message at AI).
But IT IS STANDARD practice to put such warnings into user manual of mobile phone, at least every phone I used had such wording, "Avoid holding the phone in X area"
I wouldn't call it a standard, but it's definitely not uncommon to put those stickers on cellphones. What does seem to be standard is the documentation stating where you should and shouldn't hold the device.
PS: Is there any way we an blame the iPhone 4 for reception deadspots on all cellphones?
PPS: Sent from iPhone 4 with one 3G bar (before gripping) while holding it mostly in my left hand, palm in "3G-Spot". Oh, nos!
Have you tried exchanging your phone? I have no proximity issues whatsoever.
Nah. While I wish they would have put te sensor to otherside of the ear speaker, I doubt that would make much of a difference, the issue isn't a dealbreaker and I'm fairly certain this can be corrected with a SW update.
PS: lol I put my phone down and it dropped to EDGE, I pick it up naturally in my left hand and 3G comes back after several seconds. RF is a finicky beast.
FFS AI, give it up will you. If this had been a leading Android phone, you would be putting in the boot endlessly and chortling with glee. The IP4 is seriously flawed. Stop trying to make out that it isn't. Apple have made an enormous blunder. Trying to spin it that the product of that blunder is the best phone on the planet is bordering on moronic.
FFS AI, give it up will you. If this had been a leading Android phone, you would be putting in the boot endlessly and chortling with glee. The IP4 is seriously flawed. Stop trying to make out that it isn't. Apple have made an enormous blunder. Trying to spin it that the product of that blunder is the best phone on the planet is bordering on moronic.
It's the Consumer Report that's sending mixed messages not AI. They are the ones giving it a high rank yet still say they can't recommend it.
I would agree with them. If it hadn't been for this antenna issue, the iPhone 4 would be an amazing phone. For now, it's an amazing phone with a design flaw.
For me, the antenna design wouldn't be an issue at all so I'd be all for getting one if it was cheaper.
If they can design a clear plastic sticky tab (the iBandAid), they might be able to appease customers who report the problem.
It's the Consumer Report that's sending mixed messages not AI. They are the ones giving it a high rank yet still say they can't recommend it.
I would agree with them. If it hadn't been for this antenna issue, the iPhone 4 would be an amazing phone. For now, it's an amazing phone with a design flaw.
For me, the antenna design wouldn't be an issue at all so I'd be all for getting one if it was cheaper.
If they can design a clear plastic sticky tab (the iBandAid), they might be able to appease customers who report the problem.
I don't see how that is a mixed message. The message is that it is a great device but it has what they see as a critical flaw in it primary function. I would agree, though I wouldn't call it a critical flaw. It is certainly a serious flaw, but even worse is the lack of communication from Apple and now their attempt to brush the discussion away from their official support pages.
I am planning to buy it when it is available in Canada. If Apple had acknowledged the issue and said how it would be resolved or even said it couldn't be resolved, I would probably order the day it is released here. As it is, without any word, I don't want to get stuck with a first rev, if there is a chance that they will release an updated model that fixes the problem. So, now I am torn. Do I just suck it up and hope I will not be one of those that meets the criteria to find the problem and buy it now or do I wait a bit and see how if they fix it. I have no intention of buy an Android or a pre or WinMo, I will stay with the 3G or 3GS if I decide they haven't done enough. But for others, the lack of any information might be enough for them to just move on.
A new low for Consumer Reports. They have now descended to the level of Gizmodo
That's it - I'm not renewing my subscription - and I will be telling them why!
... And that reason is...? They performed unbiased test and came to a conclusion that you don't like? How dare they say that they tested a problem and duplicated it and could not stamp it as recommend it until fixed. What's next? Will they also not put a recommended stamp on the car you own because the back seat has a bar in it that pokes you in the back. After all you sit in the front and don't experience any problem and the people who sit back there can just sit a different way then they sit in every other seat.
No, that is an illogical statement. The fact that the cannot recommend the iPhone 4 (because of the antenna issue) in no implies they must recommend an alternative. They could very well recommend against all smart phones on the market.
Then they are useless to anyone who wants to buy a smartphone.
Then they are useless to anyone who wants to buy a smartphone.
How so? Because of one issue? It is a serious issue, there is no denying that. But, at least to me, it doesn't make it an overall failure. The vast majority of people either do not observe the problem or if they do, the severity is not enough to be an issue. For those that are seeing enough signal signal drop, it might be better to choose an alternative. Or wait until it is resolved. But, as serious an issue as this is, it is affecting relatively few. Hardly enough to make it useless for everyone.
Beyond the antenna problem(s) it is also the best reviewed phone they have. So, anyone not affected, minimally affected or that is affected and found a work around (bumper) they now have the single best reviewed phone on the market. And that is, far and away, the vast majority of purchasers so far.
IMO, the bigger problem for Apple is their handling of the issue.
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That doesn't make it improper. If it did, it would be a STANDARD warning or in the description of use for every mobile phone.
Again, nothing in anything that Apple has said or stated was the word 'improper' used or implied.
But IT IS STANDARD practice to put such warnings into user manual of mobile phone, at least every phone I used had such wording, "Avoid holding the phone in X area"
But IT IS STANDARD practice to put such warnings into user manual of mobile phone, at least every phone I used had such wording, "Avoid holding the phone in X area"
I wouldn't call it a standard, but it's definitely not uncommon to put those stickers on cellphones. What does seem to be standard is the documentation stating where you should and shouldn't hold the device.
PS: Is there any way we an blame the iPhone 4 for reception deadspots on all cellphones?
PPS: Sent from iPhone 4 with one 3G bar (before gripping) while holding it mostly in my left hand, palm in "3G-Spot". Oh, nos!
Have you tried exchanging your phone? I have no proximity issues whatsoever.
Nah. While I wish they would have put te sensor to otherside of the ear speaker, I doubt that would make much of a difference, the issue isn't a dealbreaker and I'm fairly certain this can be corrected with a SW update.
PS: lol I put my phone down and it dropped to EDGE, I pick it up naturally in my left hand and 3G comes back after several seconds. RF is a finicky beast.
FFS AI, give it up will you. If this had been a leading Android phone, you would be putting in the boot endlessly and chortling with glee. The IP4 is seriously flawed. Stop trying to make out that it isn't. Apple have made an enormous blunder. Trying to spin it that the product of that blunder is the best phone on the planet is bordering on moronic.
It's the Consumer Report that's sending mixed messages not AI. They are the ones giving it a high rank yet still say they can't recommend it.
I would agree with them. If it hadn't been for this antenna issue, the iPhone 4 would be an amazing phone. For now, it's an amazing phone with a design flaw.
For me, the antenna design wouldn't be an issue at all so I'd be all for getting one if it was cheaper.
If they can design a clear plastic sticky tab (the iBandAid), they might be able to appease customers who report the problem.
It's the Consumer Report that's sending mixed messages not AI. They are the ones giving it a high rank yet still say they can't recommend it.
I would agree with them. If it hadn't been for this antenna issue, the iPhone 4 would be an amazing phone. For now, it's an amazing phone with a design flaw.
For me, the antenna design wouldn't be an issue at all so I'd be all for getting one if it was cheaper.
If they can design a clear plastic sticky tab (the iBandAid), they might be able to appease customers who report the problem.
I don't see how that is a mixed message. The message is that it is a great device but it has what they see as a critical flaw in it primary function. I would agree, though I wouldn't call it a critical flaw. It is certainly a serious flaw, but even worse is the lack of communication from Apple and now their attempt to brush the discussion away from their official support pages.
I am planning to buy it when it is available in Canada. If Apple had acknowledged the issue and said how it would be resolved or even said it couldn't be resolved, I would probably order the day it is released here. As it is, without any word, I don't want to get stuck with a first rev, if there is a chance that they will release an updated model that fixes the problem. So, now I am torn. Do I just suck it up and hope I will not be one of those that meets the criteria to find the problem and buy it now or do I wait a bit and see how if they fix it. I have no intention of buy an Android or a pre or WinMo, I will stay with the 3G or 3GS if I decide they haven't done enough. But for others, the lack of any information might be enough for them to just move on.
That's it - I'm not renewing my subscription - and I will be telling them why!
A new low for Consumer Reports. They have now descended to the level of Gizmodo
That's it - I'm not renewing my subscription - and I will be telling them why!
... And that reason is...? They performed unbiased test and came to a conclusion that you don't like? How dare they say that they tested a problem and duplicated it and could not stamp it as recommend it until fixed. What's next? Will they also not put a recommended stamp on the car you own because the back seat has a bar in it that pokes you in the back. After all you sit in the front and don't experience any problem and the people who sit back there can just sit a different way then they sit in every other seat.
No, that is an illogical statement. The fact that the cannot recommend the iPhone 4 (because of the antenna issue) in no implies they must recommend an alternative. They could very well recommend against all smart phones on the market.
Then they are useless to anyone who wants to buy a smartphone.
Then they are useless to anyone who wants to buy a smartphone.
How so? Because of one issue? It is a serious issue, there is no denying that. But, at least to me, it doesn't make it an overall failure. The vast majority of people either do not observe the problem or if they do, the severity is not enough to be an issue. For those that are seeing enough signal signal drop, it might be better to choose an alternative. Or wait until it is resolved. But, as serious an issue as this is, it is affecting relatively few. Hardly enough to make it useless for everyone.
Beyond the antenna problem(s) it is also the best reviewed phone they have. So, anyone not affected, minimally affected or that is affected and found a work around (bumper) they now have the single best reviewed phone on the market. And that is, far and away, the vast majority of purchasers so far.
IMO, the bigger problem for Apple is their handling of the issue.