I love my 30" and I am sure they will release another 30+ monitor in due course. Desktop is alive and well for business and academic environments which all I care about anyway.
Totally agree. The 30" is the best monitor i've ever owned. Just as the death of the Mac was wildly exaggerated, so is the death of apple's monitors. Patience people. I'm sure Steve would not want to see our precious macs being hooked up to Dell screens.
The only Mac desktops most people see are iMacs, but that's because Apple don't offer other form factors in the same price range.
Not too many years ago there were $1500 Mac towers that sold well to non-power users. There are a myriad of reasons why Apple no longer offers mid-range towers, but the most important is the fact that towers last significantly longer than all-in-ones. Not only were the original purchasers of the towers not replacing them often enough for Apple's stock to go through the roof, they were selling their used towers to prospective iMac buyers and thus taking away another sale from Apple.
Case in point: if web sites for little kids didn't rely almost exclusively on Flash my children would still be using a CPU upgraded Quicksilver G4 tower from 2001. They really have no need for anything better when they're not on the web.
Someone on a tight budget isn't going to pay a premium price for an Apple display of any size. They'll grab an inexpensive Acer, Benq, LG, Samsung or Viewsonic to go with their Mac.
I disagree with some of what you said, and I also think you misread my post. I wasn't intending state which Mac Desktops are more prevalent and why, or why or why not a mid-sized tower isn't available. I was only commenting that some people prefer smaller screens.
I am always on a budget when it comes to getting a new computer. Although for me, being on a budget doesn't mean buying the least expensive PC I can find. It means buying the best Mac I can for my money that meets certain needs.
I am not in the market for a new Mac right now, but if I were and was looking for a desktop I would prefer a Mac Mini + 20-24 inch Apple display (if this size were offered). If 27 inch display was my only option from Apple, then I would probably end up getting a 21.5 inch iMac instead. Not a bad machine of course, just not my first choice. The point is that there are people who for various reasons would prefer a smaller screen than 27 inches.
I am not in the market for a new Mac right now, but if I were and was looking for a desktop I would prefer a Mac Mini + 20-24 inch Apple display (if this size were offered). If 27 inch display was my only option from Apple, then I would probably end up getting a 21.5 inch iMac instead. Not a bad machine of course, just not my first choice. The point is that there are people who for various reasons would prefer a smaller screen than 27 inches.
A Mac Mini on an Apple Cinema Display?
Even an Apple 20 - 24 " Cinema display would be overkill for the Mini. I would suggest a 21" Samsung or LG LED LCD (about $200) with the Mini 2.4 GHz. $900
Otherwise, for a couple of hundred more, the 3.06 GHz iMac for @ $1100-1200 which has everything.
When anyone disagrees too much, they are a troll. What is with you people? The desktop is fading for Apple fans. Why would Apple release the trackpad, if they were not wanting people to get use to it? Apple makes more money if someone purchases both a MacBook Pro, and an Apple monitor. Then again, the trackpad is probably in a continued effort to fix to total mess they created with the Mighty Mouse. I have one, and it is trash. Cannot scroll at all.
Oh wait, ignore me, for I am trolling.
Apple refused to built a computer to suit my needs. I am not exactly alone. While I am fond of Leopard, I don't like Snow Leopard at all. The iMac is no longer a screen I can view. The mini is a toy, and the Pro costs too much. I cannot see any screen on the MacBooks.
This is why Apple has less than 10% market share in the computer biz. You might say, that is all they want.
Remember, I am trolling, so don't read this, or waste your time replying.
As a graphic designer, bigger is always better but the 27" in pretty frickin' big (have a 27" iMac). So if they make one over 30" tomorrow, I'm not rushing to buy it buy it but if the price and other circumstances work out when a new purchase is due, I'd consider it. The desktop is not dead by a long shot but there are fewer being sold and if apple can consolidate some the high end components for economy of scale, that's just fine by me.
I think Apple is shooting themselves in the foot here - well maybe in the little toe. They need to have a display for under $1000. This is just to high for mere mortals.
They do have a display for under $1000. The new 27" is $999.
When anyone disagrees too much, they are a troll. What is with you people? The desktop is fading for Apple fans. Why would Apple release the trackpad, if they were not wanting people to get use to it? Apple makes more money if someone purchases both a MacBook Pro, and an Apple monitor. Then again, the trackpad is probably in a continued effort to fix to total mess they created with the Mighty Mouse. I have one, and it is trash. Cannot scroll at all.
Oh wait, ignore me, for I am trolling.
Apple refused to built a computer to suit my needs. I am not exactly alone. While I am fond of Leopard, I don't like Snow Leopard at all. The iMac is no longer a screen I can view. The mini is a toy, and the Pro costs too much. I cannot see any screen on the MacBooks.
This is why Apple has less than 10% market share in the computer biz. You might say, that is all they want.
Remember, I am trolling, so don't read this, or waste your time replying.
Take the mouse back, it is obviously defective. Mine works fine! In VMware on Windows as well!
I'd suggest getting your eyes checked. There is clearly something wrong with them.
There are programs for disabled people to get assistive technology so they can use their workstations. Bad vision is something that they consider.
The above might be a bunch of rhetorical nonsense, but below is what I'd consider fact. I don't have any charts to back me up, so feel free to produce them and disprove me:
Apple sells more desktops than they ever have in raw units shipped...even as the proportion of desktops vs laptops favors laptops more and more as time goes on the raw number of Macs sold increases so much that the actual number of desktops sold is increasing.
Apple has been HUGELY successful in increasing the Mac business in the last few years. This coincides with the design decision to go glossy on most (now almost all) displays.
People seem to like glossy. A lot. Can't get enough of them, really. Just saying.
Even an Apple 20 - 24 " Cinema display would be overkill for the Mini. I would suggest a 21" Samsung or LG LED LCD (about $200) with the Mini 2.4 GHz. $900
Otherwise, for a couple of hundred more, the 3.06 GHz iMac for @ $1100-1200 which has everything.
Take the mouse back, it is obviously defective. Mine works fine! In VMware on Windows as well!
I'd suggest getting your eyes checked. There is clearly something wrong with them.
There are programs for disabled people to get assistive technology so they can use their workstations. Bad vision is something that they consider.
The above might be a bunch of rhetorical nonsense, but below is what I'd consider fact. I don't have any charts to back me up, so feel free to produce them and disprove me:
Apple sells more desktops than they ever have in raw units shipped...even as the proportion of desktops vs laptops favors laptops more and more as time goes on the raw number of Macs sold increases so much that the actual number of desktops sold is increasing.
Apple has been HUGELY successful in increasing the Mac business in the last few years. This coincides with the design decision to go glossy on most (now almost all) displays.
People seem to like glossy. A lot. Can't get enough of them, really. Just saying.
This would mean you've never seen any of my other posts. Eyesight is what it is. Can't be fixed. I must find work-a-rounds. If you dig around in the AAPL section of this forum, it looks to me like the desktops have fewer sales than ALL of the categories listed. This includes the various iToys.
I have returned my Magic Mouse once. It is trash, and a defective design. I put rubbing alcohol in it, and sometimes it responds a little. As Steve Jobs very recently stated, Apple is not a perfect company.
It is really a shame, I cannot install Mac OS X on whatever box I choose. Legally! Windows OEM versions come without support. Why can't Apple do the same? Doesn't Steve have enough money already? Must he control EVERYTHING?
I love my 30" and I am sure they will release another 30+ monitor in due course. Desktop is alive and well for business and academic environments which all I care about anyway.
And animation, video editing, print design, etc. Anyone who thinks powerful desktops are history is a fool. You may be happy with dumb-downed computers but I assure you your entertainment options from games to movies to iPad media will be nil the day desktops are gone.
Ugh. As if the entry price for an Apple-branded monitor wasn't bad enough at $799, it's now $999?! I don't understand why they wouldn't keep the 24" around and lower the price.
Because a couple of hundred bucks when people are in the Apple store doesn't make all that much difference. Apple can make more by selling their beautiful monitor to everybody except the few who use Adobe software and that other stuff.
They aren't very loyal, I don't think, or else Apple would make products for them.
Thirty years in the graphic business and thousands of print/video jobs, so don't 'put' we in your formula.
Most of those years, with the exception of ten years cut and pasting up mechanicals, where viewed on bright, shiny, glossy and highly reflective CRTs if you didn't know how to place them. Just before LCDs came into vogue we had a dozen or so La Cies and Radius Precisions. All with hoods and well over 3 to 4 thousand each to boot.
Having built a few agencies and photo studios, there wasn't a day that went by that reflection was not an factor. But to suggest that it was a concern or issue with us pros would be exaggeration. Obviously we knew how to handle it.
But the bottom line, we never ever used even our most expensive monitors for pre-press approvals. Always realizing that getting a client to sign off on a screen view was no guarantee it would hold up in court.
What Apple has provided is a monitor that will satisfy the majority of those looking for quality and functionality. It will never satisfy everyone, in particular, those that have never even seen one. Hard to do so since it isn't even available yet.
But to suggest that it is crap, indicates that you are either dumber than a door nail or just plain ignorant. Perhaps you should do a little due diligence. Or would you like to tell those creative folks Apple has profiled on their Macs in Action section how much of an idiot they were using MacBook Pros, iMacs and displays most of which compised of very glossy monitors?
I do know that if I was setting up a new graphic studio and I gave the crew an option of any monitor they wanted, they would jump at the chance for the new display. But then they would want the same choice for a workstation. Most would however gladly settle for the new iMac, and ask for a raise to cover the difference. But I wouldn't begrudge them and not get at least one EIZO
And that "ambient" light thing, did you bother to read the Overview? Are you suggesting that Apple doesn't let you set preferences to your liking or for the rest of us. Perhaps, you should read your EIZO guides, particularly the section on their Auto EcoView/Bright Regulator which lets you set your own preferences, e.g., :?the [EUZO LCD MONITOR] records both the screen's and the ambient brightness for reference the next time you adjust the brightness." Sound familiar?
A lot of crt displays did have some amount of anti glare coating applied, especially later ones. Darker conditions and display hoods were used to minimize reflections, and with current technology there's no reason to work on something that's overly bright and shiny. As for brightness crt displays never reached the 300-400 cd/m2 max brightness white specs of some of these lcd displays, and they did have the option to dim down far beyond the level of apple cinema displays. I didn't really like the previous generation of ACD's either. They had uniformity issues and difficulty displaying neutral greys. Eizos have had issues too, and the sparkle effect from using a really aggressive anti-glare coating can be irritating. They also aren't really using hitachi/nec/mitsubishi panels anymore. They've gone to LG panels just like Dell and Apple.
This would mean you've never seen any of my other posts. Eyesight is what it is. Can't be fixed. I must find work-a-rounds. If you dig around in the AAPL section of this forum, it looks to me like the desktops have fewer sales than ALL of the categories listed. This includes the various iToys.
I have returned my Magic Mouse once. It is trash, and a defective design. I put rubbing alcohol in it, and sometimes it responds a little. As Steve Jobs very recently stated, Apple is not a perfect company.
It is really a shame, I cannot install Mac OS X on whatever box I choose. Legally! Windows OEM versions come without support. Why can't Apple do the same? Doesn't Steve have enough money already? Must he control EVERYTHING?
Sorry, man, I didn't realize that you were well known around here or something. I'm not really interested in digging myself. I know they are selling more desktops than they were in 2002 right before I bought my PowerMac G5. Regardless, as the total number of screens Apple sells has changed over from mostly-matte to mostly-glossy sales have skyrocketed on total screens sold. You may not like the screens or that correlation, but that is the what is happening.
I really don't see why Apple should change course on this design decision. They are doing quite well with the designs they have right now.
As far as the Magic Mouse, it is certainly NOT a defective design. I don't see how putting alcohol in the thing could possibly help...Where did you put it, the battery compartment? Anyway, it works fine for me!
If your problem is your eyes, I really suggest you look into assistive tech programs. I knew a guy who was quite a talented artist born with only one arm, that one only about 9 inches long with two fingers on it. He got into graphic design at the same time I did and once he landed a job got set up nicely with assistive tech to make him more productive.
If you can't work with the stock configuration due to a physical limitation of your own you should be able to get some help. If not through the govmt, then through your employer. No employer wants to ignore ergonomic concerns raised by employees who might later come back and sue for damages. That is the standard scam everyone runs where I work if they want a new office chair.
Anyhow, you sound like you are pretty heavily invested in your resentment of Apple's direction of late, so I'm sure I cannot convince you otherwise.
The rumors of the desktop's death are greatly exaggerated.
I actually think it's the laptop that will see it's numbers decline in the future as cloud storage means people no longer need to carry all their data around with them to work on it and tablet computers become increasingly widespread. Why lug around a relatively large, heavy, small screened computing device, which is a compromise in all ways, when you can have a powerful desktop (or desktops) with a large screen giving you greater productivity, and a much easier mobile experience with a lightweight tablet.
Yeah, a few "road warriors" will need laptops, but they really are few. Most people have been buying laptops lately because it's stylish, more so than actually needing them. Styles change, and the desktop+tablet will eventually reign supreme.
Sorry, man, I didn't realize that you were well known around here or something. I'm not really interested in digging myself. I know they are selling more desktops than they were in 2002 right before I bought my PowerMac G5. Regardless, as the total number of screens Apple sells has changed over from mostly-matte to mostly-glossy sales have skyrocketed on total screens sold. You may not like the screens or that correlation, but that is the what is happening.
I really don't see why Apple should change course on this design decision. They are doing quite well with the designs they have right now.
As far as the Magic Mouse, it is certainly NOT a defective design. I don't see how putting alcohol in the thing could possibly help...Where did you put it, the battery compartment? Anyway, it works fine for me!
If your problem is your eyes, I really suggest you look into assistive tech programs. I knew a guy who was quite a talented artist born with only one arm, that one only about 9 inches long with two fingers on it. He got into graphic design at the same time I did and once he landed a job got set up nicely with assistive tech to make him more productive.
If you can't work with the stock configuration due to a physical limitation of your own you should be able to get some help. If not through the govmt, then through your employer. No employer wants to ignore ergonomic concerns raised by employees who might later come back and sue for damages. That is the standard scam everyone runs where I work if they want a new office chair.
Anyhow, you sound like you are pretty heavily invested in your resentment of Apple's direction of late, so I'm sure I cannot convince you otherwise.
My Bad. My first post is correct. I have a Mighty Mouse, not a Magic Mouse. I push down on the ball, and put a few drop of alcohol inside, and rotate the ball to attempt to clean it. I have heard of others having the same problem with the Mighty Mouse not scrolling. I will not purchase a bluetooth keyboard or mouse again. Rechargeable batteries are terribly inefficient.
I don't resent Apple any more than the others who want an affordable tower. Steve refuses. Just how hard would it be to make an iTower with the new I series Intel CPUs? Steve won't, so I must go to someone else who will. For me, Snow Leopard is not superior to Windows 7. I am not part of the kool-aid crowd.
The 27 inch screen will be nice for those who can take advantage of it.
Not that the Mini couldn't handle a 21" Apple LED Cinema Display (ACD) with the same specs as the 27 if it were available, the price would surely be in the neighborhood of $700-800.
Obviously, the Mac Min as we see in the Benchmark tests at http://www.macworld.com/article/1513...i_mid2010.html, connecting it to a ACD couldn't achieve the heights of satisfaction relative to the higher powered Macs.
You get what you pay for. But remember a chain is strongest as its weakest link.
P.S. As I suggested before the new 21.5-inch Core i3 iMac/3.06GHz is a pretty good deal. As Macworld are just reporting,
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The first system to finish our testing regime is the new entry-level iMac, a 21.5-inch model with a 3.06GHz Core i3 processor, and our Speedmark 6 test results show an impressive performance improvement over the system it replaces.
Not so fast. All you "market savants" forget (or ignore) that we pros have repeatedly said we don't want the shiny, reflective edge-to-edge glass, would prefer a Firewire port over a pair of tiny, crappy display speakers, have no use for a built-in camera, and want the damn screen to stay at the brightness we calibrated it to that morning, not be "ambient light sensitive" to make adjustments on it's own just because someone opened the door to the editing suite.
It's more of a consumer crap intrusion into a professionals' workplace. If you don't get that, it's because you aren't one. Apple's making "greener" products to please jackasses like Al Gore's lemmings and forgetting the folks that got them into the dance.
I'll get my next big monitor from EIZO like my current 24" CG241W, and I won't shed any tears about it costing over $3000 when I'm using it to make 30x that.
Hear hear! I second this post fully. I don't want glossy, no ambient light sensor, no neef for iSight and all that consumer stuff. Ever since the 23" is gone I have been waiting for Ã* replacement by Apple. Now it seems that they are not going to offer Ã* smaller than 30" non glossy I am also getting 2 Eizo's.
Would love to buy Apple screens but they just don't make them like they used to. A shame.
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I bet you are wrong on all counts.
I love my 30" and I am sure they will release another 30+ monitor in due course. Desktop is alive and well for business and academic environments which all I care about anyway.
Totally agree. The 30" is the best monitor i've ever owned. Just as the death of the Mac was wildly exaggerated, so is the death of apple's monitors. Patience people. I'm sure Steve would not want to see our precious macs being hooked up to Dell screens.
The only Mac desktops most people see are iMacs, but that's because Apple don't offer other form factors in the same price range.
Not too many years ago there were $1500 Mac towers that sold well to non-power users. There are a myriad of reasons why Apple no longer offers mid-range towers, but the most important is the fact that towers last significantly longer than all-in-ones. Not only were the original purchasers of the towers not replacing them often enough for Apple's stock to go through the roof, they were selling their used towers to prospective iMac buyers and thus taking away another sale from Apple.
Case in point: if web sites for little kids didn't rely almost exclusively on Flash my children would still be using a CPU upgraded Quicksilver G4 tower from 2001. They really have no need for anything better when they're not on the web.
Someone on a tight budget isn't going to pay a premium price for an Apple display of any size. They'll grab an inexpensive Acer, Benq, LG, Samsung or Viewsonic to go with their Mac.
I disagree with some of what you said, and I also think you misread my post. I wasn't intending state which Mac Desktops are more prevalent and why, or why or why not a mid-sized tower isn't available. I was only commenting that some people prefer smaller screens.
I am always on a budget when it comes to getting a new computer. Although for me, being on a budget doesn't mean buying the least expensive PC I can find. It means buying the best Mac I can for my money that meets certain needs.
I am not in the market for a new Mac right now, but if I were and was looking for a desktop I would prefer a Mac Mini + 20-24 inch Apple display (if this size were offered). If 27 inch display was my only option from Apple, then I would probably end up getting a 21.5 inch iMac instead. Not a bad machine of course, just not my first choice. The point is that there are people who for various reasons would prefer a smaller screen than 27 inches.
I am not in the market for a new Mac right now, but if I were and was looking for a desktop I would prefer a Mac Mini + 20-24 inch Apple display (if this size were offered). If 27 inch display was my only option from Apple, then I would probably end up getting a 21.5 inch iMac instead. Not a bad machine of course, just not my first choice. The point is that there are people who for various reasons would prefer a smaller screen than 27 inches.
A Mac Mini on an Apple Cinema Display?
Even an Apple 20 - 24 " Cinema display would be overkill for the Mini. I would suggest a 21" Samsung or LG LED LCD (about $200) with the Mini 2.4 GHz. $900
Otherwise, for a couple of hundred more, the 3.06 GHz iMac for @ $1100-1200 which has everything.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1513...i_mid2010.html
The troll is alive.
When anyone disagrees too much, they are a troll. What is with you people? The desktop is fading for Apple fans. Why would Apple release the trackpad, if they were not wanting people to get use to it? Apple makes more money if someone purchases both a MacBook Pro, and an Apple monitor. Then again, the trackpad is probably in a continued effort to fix to total mess they created with the Mighty Mouse. I have one, and it is trash. Cannot scroll at all.
Oh wait, ignore me, for I am trolling.
Apple refused to built a computer to suit my needs. I am not exactly alone. While I am fond of Leopard, I don't like Snow Leopard at all. The iMac is no longer a screen I can view. The mini is a toy, and the Pro costs too much. I cannot see any screen on the MacBooks.
This is why Apple has less than 10% market share in the computer biz. You might say, that is all they want.
Remember, I am trolling, so don't read this, or waste your time replying.
I think Apple is shooting themselves in the foot here - well maybe in the little toe. They need to have a display for under $1000. This is just to high for mere mortals.
They do have a display for under $1000. The new 27" is $999.
I like how people manage to inject politics into any subject no matter how convoluted. It's like playing six degrees of Kevin Bacon.
Right?! I hate it too but those damn socialist loving liberals can't help themselves.
PS: Your forum alias does make your comment a little ironic.
When anyone disagrees too much, they are a troll. What is with you people? The desktop is fading for Apple fans. Why would Apple release the trackpad, if they were not wanting people to get use to it? Apple makes more money if someone purchases both a MacBook Pro, and an Apple monitor. Then again, the trackpad is probably in a continued effort to fix to total mess they created with the Mighty Mouse. I have one, and it is trash. Cannot scroll at all.
Oh wait, ignore me, for I am trolling.
Apple refused to built a computer to suit my needs. I am not exactly alone. While I am fond of Leopard, I don't like Snow Leopard at all. The iMac is no longer a screen I can view. The mini is a toy, and the Pro costs too much. I cannot see any screen on the MacBooks.
This is why Apple has less than 10% market share in the computer biz. You might say, that is all they want.
Remember, I am trolling, so don't read this, or waste your time replying.
Take the mouse back, it is obviously defective. Mine works fine! In VMware on Windows as well!
I'd suggest getting your eyes checked. There is clearly something wrong with them.
There are programs for disabled people to get assistive technology so they can use their workstations. Bad vision is something that they consider.
The above might be a bunch of rhetorical nonsense, but below is what I'd consider fact. I don't have any charts to back me up, so feel free to produce them and disprove me:
Apple sells more desktops than they ever have in raw units shipped...even as the proportion of desktops vs laptops favors laptops more and more as time goes on the raw number of Macs sold increases so much that the actual number of desktops sold is increasing.
Apple has been HUGELY successful in increasing the Mac business in the last few years. This coincides with the design decision to go glossy on most (now almost all) displays.
People seem to like glossy. A lot. Can't get enough of them, really. Just saying.
A Mac Mini on an Apple Cinema Display?
Even an Apple 20 - 24 " Cinema display would be overkill for the Mini. I would suggest a 21" Samsung or LG LED LCD (about $200) with the Mini 2.4 GHz. $900
Otherwise, for a couple of hundred more, the 3.06 GHz iMac for @ $1100-1200 which has everything.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1513...i_mid2010.html
Overkill in what way?
Take the mouse back, it is obviously defective. Mine works fine! In VMware on Windows as well!
I'd suggest getting your eyes checked. There is clearly something wrong with them.
There are programs for disabled people to get assistive technology so they can use their workstations. Bad vision is something that they consider.
The above might be a bunch of rhetorical nonsense, but below is what I'd consider fact. I don't have any charts to back me up, so feel free to produce them and disprove me:
Apple sells more desktops than they ever have in raw units shipped...even as the proportion of desktops vs laptops favors laptops more and more as time goes on the raw number of Macs sold increases so much that the actual number of desktops sold is increasing.
Apple has been HUGELY successful in increasing the Mac business in the last few years. This coincides with the design decision to go glossy on most (now almost all) displays.
People seem to like glossy. A lot. Can't get enough of them, really. Just saying.
This would mean you've never seen any of my other posts. Eyesight is what it is. Can't be fixed. I must find work-a-rounds. If you dig around in the AAPL section of this forum, it looks to me like the desktops have fewer sales than ALL of the categories listed. This includes the various iToys.
I have returned my Magic Mouse once. It is trash, and a defective design. I put rubbing alcohol in it, and sometimes it responds a little. As Steve Jobs very recently stated, Apple is not a perfect company.
It is really a shame, I cannot install Mac OS X on whatever box I choose. Legally! Windows OEM versions come without support. Why can't Apple do the same? Doesn't Steve have enough money already? Must he control EVERYTHING?
I bet you are wrong on all counts.
I love my 30" and I am sure they will release another 30+ monitor in due course. Desktop is alive and well for business and academic environments which all I care about anyway.
And animation, video editing, print design, etc. Anyone who thinks powerful desktops are history is a fool. You may be happy with dumb-downed computers but I assure you your entertainment options from games to movies to iPad media will be nil the day desktops are gone.
Ugh. As if the entry price for an Apple-branded monitor wasn't bad enough at $799, it's now $999?! I don't understand why they wouldn't keep the 24" around and lower the price.
Because a couple of hundred bucks when people are in the Apple store doesn't make all that much difference. Apple can make more by selling their beautiful monitor to everybody except the few who use Adobe software and that other stuff.
They aren't very loyal, I don't think, or else Apple would make products for them.
Thirty years in the graphic business and thousands of print/video jobs, so don't 'put' we in your formula.
Most of those years, with the exception of ten years cut and pasting up mechanicals, where viewed on bright, shiny, glossy and highly reflective CRTs if you didn't know how to place them. Just before LCDs came into vogue we had a dozen or so La Cies and Radius Precisions. All with hoods and well over 3 to 4 thousand each to boot.
Having built a few agencies and photo studios, there wasn't a day that went by that reflection was not an factor. But to suggest that it was a concern or issue with us pros would be exaggeration. Obviously we knew how to handle it.
But the bottom line, we never ever used even our most expensive monitors for pre-press approvals. Always realizing that getting a client to sign off on a screen view was no guarantee it would hold up in court.
What Apple has provided is a monitor that will satisfy the majority of those looking for quality and functionality. It will never satisfy everyone, in particular, those that have never even seen one. Hard to do so since it isn't even available yet.
But to suggest that it is crap, indicates that you are either dumber than a door nail or just plain ignorant. Perhaps you should do a little due diligence. Or would you like to tell those creative folks Apple has profiled on their Macs in Action section how much of an idiot they were using MacBook Pros, iMacs and displays most of which compised of very glossy monitors?
I do know that if I was setting up a new graphic studio and I gave the crew an option of any monitor they wanted, they would jump at the chance for the new display. But then they would want the same choice for a workstation. Most would however gladly settle for the new iMac, and ask for a raise to cover the difference. But I wouldn't begrudge them and not get at least one EIZO
And that "ambient" light thing, did you bother to read the Overview? Are you suggesting that Apple doesn't let you set preferences to your liking or for the rest of us. Perhaps, you should read your EIZO guides, particularly the section on their Auto EcoView/Bright Regulator which lets you set your own preferences, e.g., :?the [EUZO LCD MONITOR] records both the screen's and the ambient brightness for reference the next time you adjust the brightness." Sound familiar?
A lot of crt displays did have some amount of anti glare coating applied, especially later ones. Darker conditions and display hoods were used to minimize reflections, and with current technology there's no reason to work on something that's overly bright and shiny. As for brightness crt displays never reached the 300-400 cd/m2 max brightness white specs of some of these lcd displays, and they did have the option to dim down far beyond the level of apple cinema displays. I didn't really like the previous generation of ACD's either. They had uniformity issues and difficulty displaying neutral greys. Eizos have had issues too, and the sparkle effect from using a really aggressive anti-glare coating can be irritating. They also aren't really using hitachi/nec/mitsubishi panels anymore. They've gone to LG panels just like Dell and Apple.
This would mean you've never seen any of my other posts. Eyesight is what it is. Can't be fixed. I must find work-a-rounds. If you dig around in the AAPL section of this forum, it looks to me like the desktops have fewer sales than ALL of the categories listed. This includes the various iToys.
I have returned my Magic Mouse once. It is trash, and a defective design. I put rubbing alcohol in it, and sometimes it responds a little. As Steve Jobs very recently stated, Apple is not a perfect company.
It is really a shame, I cannot install Mac OS X on whatever box I choose. Legally! Windows OEM versions come without support. Why can't Apple do the same? Doesn't Steve have enough money already? Must he control EVERYTHING?
Sorry, man, I didn't realize that you were well known around here or something. I'm not really interested in digging myself. I know they are selling more desktops than they were in 2002 right before I bought my PowerMac G5. Regardless, as the total number of screens Apple sells has changed over from mostly-matte to mostly-glossy sales have skyrocketed on total screens sold. You may not like the screens or that correlation, but that is the what is happening.
I really don't see why Apple should change course on this design decision. They are doing quite well with the designs they have right now.
As far as the Magic Mouse, it is certainly NOT a defective design. I don't see how putting alcohol in the thing could possibly help...Where did you put it, the battery compartment? Anyway, it works fine for me!
If your problem is your eyes, I really suggest you look into assistive tech programs. I knew a guy who was quite a talented artist born with only one arm, that one only about 9 inches long with two fingers on it. He got into graphic design at the same time I did and once he landed a job got set up nicely with assistive tech to make him more productive.
If you can't work with the stock configuration due to a physical limitation of your own you should be able to get some help. If not through the govmt, then through your employer. No employer wants to ignore ergonomic concerns raised by employees who might later come back and sue for damages. That is the standard scam everyone runs where I work if they want a new office chair.
Anyhow, you sound like you are pretty heavily invested in your resentment of Apple's direction of late, so I'm sure I cannot convince you otherwise.
I actually think it's the laptop that will see it's numbers decline in the future as cloud storage means people no longer need to carry all their data around with them to work on it and tablet computers become increasingly widespread. Why lug around a relatively large, heavy, small screened computing device, which is a compromise in all ways, when you can have a powerful desktop (or desktops) with a large screen giving you greater productivity, and a much easier mobile experience with a lightweight tablet.
Yeah, a few "road warriors" will need laptops, but they really are few. Most people have been buying laptops lately because it's stylish, more so than actually needing them. Styles change, and the desktop+tablet will eventually reign supreme.
Sorry, man, I didn't realize that you were well known around here or something. I'm not really interested in digging myself. I know they are selling more desktops than they were in 2002 right before I bought my PowerMac G5. Regardless, as the total number of screens Apple sells has changed over from mostly-matte to mostly-glossy sales have skyrocketed on total screens sold. You may not like the screens or that correlation, but that is the what is happening.
I really don't see why Apple should change course on this design decision. They are doing quite well with the designs they have right now.
As far as the Magic Mouse, it is certainly NOT a defective design. I don't see how putting alcohol in the thing could possibly help...Where did you put it, the battery compartment? Anyway, it works fine for me!
If your problem is your eyes, I really suggest you look into assistive tech programs. I knew a guy who was quite a talented artist born with only one arm, that one only about 9 inches long with two fingers on it. He got into graphic design at the same time I did and once he landed a job got set up nicely with assistive tech to make him more productive.
If you can't work with the stock configuration due to a physical limitation of your own you should be able to get some help. If not through the govmt, then through your employer. No employer wants to ignore ergonomic concerns raised by employees who might later come back and sue for damages. That is the standard scam everyone runs where I work if they want a new office chair.
Anyhow, you sound like you are pretty heavily invested in your resentment of Apple's direction of late, so I'm sure I cannot convince you otherwise.
My Bad. My first post is correct. I have a Mighty Mouse, not a Magic Mouse. I push down on the ball, and put a few drop of alcohol inside, and rotate the ball to attempt to clean it. I have heard of others having the same problem with the Mighty Mouse not scrolling. I will not purchase a bluetooth keyboard or mouse again. Rechargeable batteries are terribly inefficient.
I don't resent Apple any more than the others who want an affordable tower. Steve refuses. Just how hard would it be to make an iTower with the new I series Intel CPUs? Steve won't, so I must go to someone else who will. For me, Snow Leopard is not superior to Windows 7. I am not part of the kool-aid crowd.
The 27 inch screen will be nice for those who can take advantage of it.
Overkill in what way?
Not that the Mini couldn't handle a 21" Apple LED Cinema Display (ACD) with the same specs as the 27 if it were available, the price would surely be in the neighborhood of $700-800.
Obviously, the Mac Min as we see in the Benchmark tests at http://www.macworld.com/article/1513...i_mid2010.html, connecting it to a ACD couldn't achieve the heights of satisfaction relative to the higher powered Macs.
You get what you pay for. But remember a chain is strongest as its weakest link.
P.S. As I suggested before the new 21.5-inch Core i3 iMac/3.06GHz is a pretty good deal. As Macworld are just reporting,
The first system to finish our testing regime is the new entry-level iMac, a 21.5-inch model with a 3.06GHz Core i3 processor, and our Speedmark 6 test results show an impressive performance improvement over the system it replaces.
http://www.macworld.com/reviews/prod...ml?expand=true
Not so fast. All you "market savants" forget (or ignore) that we pros have repeatedly said we don't want the shiny, reflective edge-to-edge glass, would prefer a Firewire port over a pair of tiny, crappy display speakers, have no use for a built-in camera, and want the damn screen to stay at the brightness we calibrated it to that morning, not be "ambient light sensitive" to make adjustments on it's own just because someone opened the door to the editing suite.
It's more of a consumer crap intrusion into a professionals' workplace. If you don't get that, it's because you aren't one. Apple's making "greener" products to please jackasses like Al Gore's lemmings and forgetting the folks that got them into the dance.
I'll get my next big monitor from EIZO like my current 24" CG241W, and I won't shed any tears about it costing over $3000 when I'm using it to make 30x that.
Hear hear! I second this post fully. I don't want glossy, no ambient light sensor, no neef for iSight and all that consumer stuff. Ever since the 23" is gone I have been waiting for Ã* replacement by Apple. Now it seems that they are not going to offer Ã* smaller than 30" non glossy I am also getting 2 Eizo's.
Would love to buy Apple screens but they just don't make them like they used to. A shame.
Cheers,
Phil