What about in China, Thailand, and Indonesia, which also have extensive CDMA/EVDO networks?
In any case, what you said is another reason to bring a CDMA iPhone to KDDI in Japan. It would further establish the iPhone brand there, establish competition amongst carriers there, and relieve some strain on SoftBank's network. TMobile can provide American competition, if there aren't enough CDMA iPhones left over after China, Japan, Korea, etc. get them.
1) I’m not exactly sure how you took my comment and turned it into a CDMA conversation.
What I'm saying is that there is so much demand for the iPhone in Korea and Japan, there are carriers who would love to get the iPhone in any capacity, including LG Telecom and KDDI, which happen to be CDMA carriers.
There is word from Pegatron that a CDMA version of the iPhone is being developed. That said, the biggest carriers in Japan and Korea (both UMTS 3G carriers) don't want the iPhone, and there are only three big carriers in each country (unlike America's four). So in order to provide competition between carriers within Korea and Japan for the iPhone, the only choice Apple has is in providing a CDMA iPhone to LG Telecom and KDDI.
On top of this, CAT Telecom in Thailand is going to have the broadest 3G network in the country. CAT uses EVDO. In Indonesia, two carriers are developing EVDO on top of their CDMA network, and one of them has rolled out Rev. B. China may not have many CDMA subscribers, but with all those people who do live there, you've got to think that some would be willing to switch from China Mobile for the iPhone, if China Mobile doesn't get it.
Asia has a very robust opportunity for Apple. iPhone has about as good a mindshare in America as they could get. But they don't have that in Asia, yet. Apple must focus on gaining ubiquitous mindshare in these countries. If people learn about Android first, it may get the mindshare, and therefore continual long-term sales. Short-term, providing CDMA iPhones to the US may make sense. But looking through long-term vision, the Asian market should be the primary focus of CDMA iPhones, considering the extensiveness of the continent's EVDO footprint. It also allows Apple to continue the money train of AT&T exclusivity, if they don't want to develop a TMobile 3G version of the iPhone.
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2) I’m not sure how extensive China’s CDMA network is, but they only have 65M CDMA subs and 700M GSM subs.
Look at the 3G versions of those carriers. Of those 700M GSMers, over 500M of them are on a carrier that's not developing a straight-edge UMTS 3G network. Consumers focus on 3G in their smartphones, not 2G. On top of this, not many of China Mobile's subscribers have gone to 3G, yet. So if China Telecom gets the iPhone in the next year or so, and China Mobile does not get it, Telecom would have a lot of leverage over China Mobile.
What do I mean by that? Well, when most people buy a new phone, they're typically out of contract, so switching isn't expensive. As long as people perceive the other network to be robust, and the product on the other side of the fence is of good enough quality in their eyes, they will make the switch. (The latter factor is why Apple must focus on Asian mindshare of iPhone before American; the average Chinese customer must feel compelled to believe the iPhone is the superior instrument over Android.) It's what brought AT&T so many customers, just for the iPhone, and often in spite of bad perceptions over the network; the phone was that good! The same principle would apply with China Mobile vs. China Telecom.
AT&T added, what, 20 million people from other networks, just for the iPhone, in a country of 350 million people? Now imagine a country with 1.3 billion people. If you do the math, then in theory, if China Mobile doesn't get the iPhone, but China Telecom does, Telecom could potentially double their consumer base over the coming decade. What carrier wouldn't want that? (Actually, who really cares, since the Chinese government owns all of these carriers? They'll get a bunch of money, regardless of what network people choose.)
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3) As for CDMA in Japan that is pretty pointless to talk about the future of technology and then reference this aging ‘2G’ technology. It’llbe around for awhile but it’s not going to be the focus of any new tech.
All I'm saying is that KDDI has a very expansive EVDO footprint. Besides, CDMA/EVDO is going to be a good holdover for LTE until a) LTE footprint is widely available, and b) chipsets are cheap and power-efficient. That's not for another two years. Until then, Voice over Rev. A can hold over people who want simultaneous voice and data. KDDI, like LG Telecom and Verizon, is committed to EVDO Rev. A for the coming five years plus.
On top of that, remember that Pegatron will build a CDMA iPhone. So to say that CDMA isn't the focus of any new tech is a bit naive. Ten years from now, things will be different, but not now.
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4) An iPhone seems to be on the ready to serve a large CDMA/CDMA2000 customer(s), but that is 2G and 3G of that technology. That has nothing to do with S. Korea with their two largest carriers having CDMA for ‘2G’ and UMTS/W-CDMA for ‘3G’, with LG picking up with 12M(?) subs. I don’t see Apple making a CDMA/UMTS iPhone just to suit a few small countries that were smart enough to jump ship to 3GPP for 3G after start with CDMA.
I don't, either. And it looks like Apple doesn't need to worry about developing such a phone; it seems like consumers like the UMTS-only version just fine.
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I would like to see some trolls here. Are they still asleep?
I can troll if you'd like. I don't want to, but I could.
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If I could get a car with the driving dynamics of a Bmw, the interior of an Audi, priced like a Hyundai that would be perfect.
Isn't that the Hyundai Genesis? I hear it's pretty good.
you'd never know that seeing how so much of "outside" products are popular there.
maybe you should do a little research of Korea when it comes to letting outside companies in to do business...They are very protective of the home team electronics industry... unlike un tye U.S. where we for some reason give things away
You just have to get them started. May I suggest praising the iPhone 4's high-tech external antenna and the security and simplicity of the App Store?
Of course you are right. But sadly the antenna is not quiet the topic here, although I truly think the way apple managed to have it placed exterior is really amazing.
Getting back to the topic, it would be nice to see the sales data more comparative. The iP4 had it's rollout now in quite a few countries. But except for US- sales and isolated other countries here and there, we can't find a lot of data. But maybe it's just me being overly impatient.
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What about in China, Thailand, and Indonesia, which also have extensive CDMA/EVDO networks?
In any case, what you said is another reason to bring a CDMA iPhone to KDDI in Japan. It would further establish the iPhone brand there, establish competition amongst carriers there, and relieve some strain on SoftBank's network. TMobile can provide American competition, if there aren't enough CDMA iPhones left over after China, Japan, Korea, etc. get them.
1) I’m not exactly sure how you took my comment and turned it into a CDMA conversation.
What I'm saying is that there is so much demand for the iPhone in Korea and Japan, there are carriers who would love to get the iPhone in any capacity, including LG Telecom and KDDI, which happen to be CDMA carriers.
There is word from Pegatron that a CDMA version of the iPhone is being developed. That said, the biggest carriers in Japan and Korea (both UMTS 3G carriers) don't want the iPhone, and there are only three big carriers in each country (unlike America's four). So in order to provide competition between carriers within Korea and Japan for the iPhone, the only choice Apple has is in providing a CDMA iPhone to LG Telecom and KDDI.
On top of this, CAT Telecom in Thailand is going to have the broadest 3G network in the country. CAT uses EVDO. In Indonesia, two carriers are developing EVDO on top of their CDMA network, and one of them has rolled out Rev. B. China may not have many CDMA subscribers, but with all those people who do live there, you've got to think that some would be willing to switch from China Mobile for the iPhone, if China Mobile doesn't get it.
Asia has a very robust opportunity for Apple. iPhone has about as good a mindshare in America as they could get. But they don't have that in Asia, yet. Apple must focus on gaining ubiquitous mindshare in these countries. If people learn about Android first, it may get the mindshare, and therefore continual long-term sales. Short-term, providing CDMA iPhones to the US may make sense. But looking through long-term vision, the Asian market should be the primary focus of CDMA iPhones, considering the extensiveness of the continent's EVDO footprint. It also allows Apple to continue the money train of AT&T exclusivity, if they don't want to develop a TMobile 3G version of the iPhone.
2) I’m not sure how extensive China’s CDMA network is, but they only have 65M CDMA subs and 700M GSM subs.
Look at the 3G versions of those carriers. Of those 700M GSMers, over 500M of them are on a carrier that's not developing a straight-edge UMTS 3G network. Consumers focus on 3G in their smartphones, not 2G. On top of this, not many of China Mobile's subscribers have gone to 3G, yet. So if China Telecom gets the iPhone in the next year or so, and China Mobile does not get it, Telecom would have a lot of leverage over China Mobile.
What do I mean by that? Well, when most people buy a new phone, they're typically out of contract, so switching isn't expensive. As long as people perceive the other network to be robust, and the product on the other side of the fence is of good enough quality in their eyes, they will make the switch. (The latter factor is why Apple must focus on Asian mindshare of iPhone before American; the average Chinese customer must feel compelled to believe the iPhone is the superior instrument over Android.) It's what brought AT&T so many customers, just for the iPhone, and often in spite of bad perceptions over the network; the phone was that good! The same principle would apply with China Mobile vs. China Telecom.
AT&T added, what, 20 million people from other networks, just for the iPhone, in a country of 350 million people? Now imagine a country with 1.3 billion people. If you do the math, then in theory, if China Mobile doesn't get the iPhone, but China Telecom does, Telecom could potentially double their consumer base over the coming decade. What carrier wouldn't want that? (Actually, who really cares, since the Chinese government owns all of these carriers? They'll get a bunch of money, regardless of what network people choose.)
3) As for CDMA in Japan that is pretty pointless to talk about the future of technology and then reference this aging ‘2G’ technology. It’llbe around for awhile but it’s not going to be the focus of any new tech.
All I'm saying is that KDDI has a very expansive EVDO footprint. Besides, CDMA/EVDO is going to be a good holdover for LTE until a) LTE footprint is widely available, and b) chipsets are cheap and power-efficient. That's not for another two years. Until then, Voice over Rev. A can hold over people who want simultaneous voice and data. KDDI, like LG Telecom and Verizon, is committed to EVDO Rev. A for the coming five years plus.
On top of that, remember that Pegatron will build a CDMA iPhone. So to say that CDMA isn't the focus of any new tech is a bit naive. Ten years from now, things will be different, but not now.
4) An iPhone seems to be on the ready to serve a large CDMA/CDMA2000 customer(s), but that is 2G and 3G of that technology. That has nothing to do with S. Korea with their two largest carriers having CDMA for ‘2G’ and UMTS/W-CDMA for ‘3G’, with LG picking up with 12M(?) subs. I don’t see Apple making a CDMA/UMTS iPhone just to suit a few small countries that were smart enough to jump ship to 3GPP for 3G after start with CDMA.
I don't, either. And it looks like Apple doesn't need to worry about developing such a phone; it seems like consumers like the UMTS-only version just fine.
I would like to see some trolls here. Are they still asleep?
I can troll if you'd like. I don't want to, but I could.
If I could get a car with the driving dynamics of a Bmw, the interior of an Audi, priced like a Hyundai that would be perfect.
Isn't that the Hyundai Genesis? I hear it's pretty good.
I would like to see some trolls here. Are they still asleep?
You just have to get them started. May I suggest praising the iPhone 4's high-tech external antenna and the security and simplicity of the App Store?
you'd never know that seeing how so much of "outside" products are popular there.
maybe you should do a little research of Korea when it comes to letting outside companies in to do business...They are very protective of the home team electronics industry... unlike un tye U.S. where we for some reason give things away
You just have to get them started. May I suggest praising the iPhone 4's high-tech external antenna and the security and simplicity of the App Store?
Of course you are right. But sadly the antenna is not quiet the topic here, although I truly think the way apple managed to have it placed exterior is really amazing.
Getting back to the topic, it would be nice to see the sales data more comparative. The iP4 had it's rollout now in quite a few countries. But except for US- sales and isolated other countries here and there, we can't find a lot of data. But maybe it's just me being overly impatient.