...Never really thought about the iPad, but with the keyboard add on and the 64GB model, that would really raise its value to me in terms of real world versatility.
On the first look it seems to be nice. .... Just don' look twice!
honestly now, I have bought my iPad 64GB 3G along with a Bluetooth Keyboard because well I just thought along similar lines as you do. But guess what, I never ever used the Keyboard, because the virtual one is always at hand, adapts perfectly to the tasks you need, and it saves so much space. So to conclude: on the second look this keyboard-shell thingy is about as usless as a refrigerator built into an iglou. Sorry for the manufactoring company.
IMHO it is very LAME of these manufacturers that they don't move on... It is NOT a goddamned f**king netbook/notebook, if you want a physical keyboard THAT badly on the road, buy an Acer/Asus/Lenovo/Whatever!!!
I'll be proven wrong if this thing sells like hot cakes, though...
Note: I already have several netbooks/ultra-portables anyway, it's nice to have choices... Next Up = Samsung Galaxy Tab 7!
I hope you still find an empty (meaning gadget free) spot at your place to have a nap from time to time. I hear sleeping on a pile of netbooks, mobile phones and laptops is not very healthy for your back.
1) If I wanted a keyboard that bad for travel, which I assume measn you are doing a lot of typing, I think I would just use a MB/MBP/MBA. But that?s me.
2) I wonder what the total weight and volume is with the iPad inserted.
3) This is the first device I?ve ever seen with a female iPod Dock Connector. I was under the impression that Apple only licenses the male end of that connector, which is why Mophie, for example, used Micro-USB and supplied and extra cable with their battery packs.
I don't recall a BT keyboard for the Palm OS devices (although, maybe I was just done with them by that time and missed it) but they did make a nifty little folding keyboard that you docked the device on and, although it didn't have the best feel for a keyboard (a bit flimsy), was great for inputting a lot of text. The whole keyboard folded up into a little box-like thing that was small enough to fit in a pocket, quite nice.
I like the virtual keyboards, though. Sure, you lose some screen real estate, but you don't have to carry extra stuff around, and they work quite well.
I still have mine for my Palm IIIxe. I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of similar thing crop up for the iPad.
As for the keyboard, I don't see it as trying to make the iPad a netbook (it isn't one, never will be, never can be), but mainly for those people who don't want to purchase and carry a second fully independent device to do more typing involved things (like an e-mail or a blog or an AI comment) from time to time. If you already have a laptop, then this probably isn't for you.
Question, will keyboards like this one work with other BT devices that support a BT keyboard, or did they lock it to just the iPad? (aka: iPhone, iPod touch, Android mobiles, Computers, etc...)
The dichotomy posited is consumption vs. creation, otherwise, why discuss it as a point. One must consume or create, not both. My point is that the two are not mutually exclusive even in a single activity.
I also disagree that it's "common knowledge". It may be commonly said, or commonly thought, or commonly repeated, but 'knowledge' grants it a status I don't think the assertion merits. It's an entirely mistaken notion that consumption is necessarily the primary activity on an iPad. And, as I pointed out, meaningless as any sort of distinguishing characteristic of the device. So, why go about saying it, especially when most people spend considerable amounts of time on PCs consuming, and often very little creating?
dude, you're really missing the point. Nobody called it a dichotomy in the first place, so why did you call it a false dichotomy?
On the first look it seems to be nice. .... Just don' look twice!
honestly now, I have bought my iPad 64GB 3G along with a Bluetooth Keyboard because well I just thought along similar lines as you do. But guess what, I never ever used the Keyboard, because the virtual one is always at hand, adapts perfectly to the tasks you need, and it saves so much space. So to conclude: on the second look this keyboard-shell thingy is about as usless as a refrigerator built into an iglou. Sorry for the manufactoring company.
Not to mention by the time you buy the 64gb iPad, then add on the keyboard accesories and all that.. your almost at the cost of a macbook anyways..
dude, you're really missing the point. Nobody called it a dichotomy in the first place, so why did you call it a false dichotomy?
Dude, you don't have to say, "this is a dichotomy," to represent something as dichotomous. Translated, what I said was, "This whole iPad is (mostly) for consumption thing is a bunch of BS."
Dude, you don't have to say, "this is a dichotomy," to represent something as dichotomous. Translated, what I said was, "This whole iPad is (mostly) for consumption thing is a bunch of BS."
Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.
The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.
Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.
Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.
The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.
Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.
With statements like "a lot more? and ?previously thought? you?ve set up your argument that he?ll fail no matter what evidence of the iPad being used for creation he can find. How does one ?a lot more?? What is the starting point of this previous thought? Whose previous thought is being used?
And how do you define creation over consumption? Typing is creation, and I bet I do more of that on my iPhone than I do pretty much anything else with it.
If we are going for primary uses then I?d wager the primary use for PCs is for consumption, not creation.
Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.
The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.
Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.
It's for whatever you use it for, just like a PC is for whatever you use it for. It's nonsense, however, to say it's for consuming, not creating. It's for both, just like every other computer, and people use it for both, just like every other computer. Emphasizing "consumption" in describing it is misleading, and, as I've said, meaningless as a comparison against other computers.
Maybe you wouldn't do some of the things you describe, but, for example, writing an email is not "consuming". Nor is managing a to do list, or editing a photo, or using a drawing program, and so on. Some of that may not be wildly creative, but it's as much as, or more than, many people do on a "full" computer, so what's the purpose of saying this about a tablet?
This entire "consumption" vs. "creation" dichotomy is a false representation both of the capabilities and uses of an iPad and the uses of a PC. It's either being repeated ad nauseam by people who either want to prejudice the image of tablets, or people who haven't really thought about the actual uses of tablets or computers. It's not, as I have stated, a meaningful distinguishing characteristic of tablets, so why is it bandied about as some important, gospel truth?
Not exactly attractive, but functionally pretty cool. I'm waiting to see what all OS 4 does on the iPad, and for cameras, before I take the jump. Facetime would be awesome on an iPad. I can't imagine it getting any more futuristic than that. I also can't wait to see what the competition comes up with on this front.
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...Never really thought about the iPad, but with the keyboard add on and the 64GB model, that would really raise its value to me in terms of real world versatility.
On the first look it seems to be nice. .... Just don' look twice!
honestly now, I have bought my iPad 64GB 3G along with a Bluetooth Keyboard because well I just thought along similar lines as you do. But guess what, I never ever used the Keyboard, because the virtual one is always at hand, adapts perfectly to the tasks you need, and it saves so much space. So to conclude: on the second look this keyboard-shell thingy is about as usless as a refrigerator built into an iglou. Sorry for the manufactoring company.
I'll be proven wrong if this thing sells like hot cakes, though...
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Note: I already have several netbooks/ultra-portables anyway, it's nice to have choices... Next Up = Samsung Galaxy Tab 7!
I hope you still find an empty (meaning gadget free) spot at your place to have a nap from time to time. I hear sleeping on a pile of netbooks, mobile phones and laptops is not very healthy for your back.
2) I wonder what the total weight and volume is with the iPad inserted.
3) This is the first device I?ve ever seen with a female iPod Dock Connector. I was under the impression that Apple only licenses the male end of that connector, which is why Mophie, for example, used Micro-USB and supplied and extra cable with their battery packs.
"the product dubbed "BL-BKB76"
Must have been named by Dell's marketing department.
That must be a typo. Surely it's a iBL-BKB76.
I don't recall a BT keyboard for the Palm OS devices (although, maybe I was just done with them by that time and missed it) but they did make a nifty little folding keyboard that you docked the device on and, although it didn't have the best feel for a keyboard (a bit flimsy), was great for inputting a lot of text. The whole keyboard folded up into a little box-like thing that was small enough to fit in a pocket, quite nice.
I like the virtual keyboards, though. Sure, you lose some screen real estate, but you don't have to carry extra stuff around, and they work quite well.
I still have mine for my Palm IIIxe. I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of similar thing crop up for the iPad.
As for the keyboard, I don't see it as trying to make the iPad a netbook (it isn't one, never will be, never can be), but mainly for those people who don't want to purchase and carry a second fully independent device to do more typing involved things (like an e-mail or a blog or an AI comment) from time to time. If you already have a laptop, then this probably isn't for you.
Question, will keyboards like this one work with other BT devices that support a BT keyboard, or did they lock it to just the iPad? (aka: iPhone, iPod touch, Android mobiles, Computers, etc...)
But the iPad does most everything better than a laptop.
Well, except type which is why Apple would sell you a keyboard, right?
It does look good though.
The dichotomy posited is consumption vs. creation, otherwise, why discuss it as a point. One must consume or create, not both. My point is that the two are not mutually exclusive even in a single activity.
I also disagree that it's "common knowledge". It may be commonly said, or commonly thought, or commonly repeated, but 'knowledge' grants it a status I don't think the assertion merits. It's an entirely mistaken notion that consumption is necessarily the primary activity on an iPad. And, as I pointed out, meaningless as any sort of distinguishing characteristic of the device. So, why go about saying it, especially when most people spend considerable amounts of time on PCs consuming, and often very little creating?
dude, you're really missing the point. Nobody called it a dichotomy in the first place, so why did you call it a false dichotomy?
Well, except type which is why Apple would sell you a keyboard, right?
the iPad actually types pretty well, you'd be surprised. Not as fast as a real keyboard, but quite nicely nonetheless. Not that you would know.
Apple has offered bluetooth keyboards for sale for years, long before the iPad was around. Get a grip.
On the first look it seems to be nice. .... Just don' look twice!
honestly now, I have bought my iPad 64GB 3G along with a Bluetooth Keyboard because well I just thought along similar lines as you do. But guess what, I never ever used the Keyboard, because the virtual one is always at hand, adapts perfectly to the tasks you need, and it saves so much space. So to conclude: on the second look this keyboard-shell thingy is about as usless as a refrigerator built into an iglou. Sorry for the manufactoring company.
Not to mention by the time you buy the 64gb iPad, then add on the keyboard accesories and all that.. your almost at the cost of a macbook anyways..
the iPad actually types pretty well, you'd be surprised. Not as fast as a real keyboard, but quite nicely nonetheless. Not that you would know.
Apple has offered bluetooth keyboards for sale for years, long before the iPad was around. Get a grip.
I think the OP was referring to the keyboard dock,
and actualy I type extremely quickly on the iPad. it's a shame no standalone LCD Bluetooth keyboards exsist.
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dude, you're really missing the point. Nobody called it a dichotomy in the first place, so why did you call it a false dichotomy?
Dude, you don't have to say, "this is a dichotomy," to represent something as dichotomous. Translated, what I said was, "This whole iPad is (mostly) for consumption thing is a bunch of BS."
Dude, you don't have to say, "this is a dichotomy," to represent something as dichotomous. Translated, what I said was, "This whole iPad is (mostly) for consumption thing is a bunch of BS."
Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.
The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.
Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.
Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.
The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.
Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.
With statements like "a lot more? and ?previously thought? you?ve set up your argument that he?ll fail no matter what evidence of the iPad being used for creation he can find. How does one ?a lot more?? What is the starting point of this previous thought? Whose previous thought is being used?
And how do you define creation over consumption? Typing is creation, and I bet I do more of that on my iPhone than I do pretty much anything else with it.
If we are going for primary uses then I?d wager the primary use for PCs is for consumption, not creation.
Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.
The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.
Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.
It's for whatever you use it for, just like a PC is for whatever you use it for. It's nonsense, however, to say it's for consuming, not creating. It's for both, just like every other computer, and people use it for both, just like every other computer. Emphasizing "consumption" in describing it is misleading, and, as I've said, meaningless as a comparison against other computers.
Maybe you wouldn't do some of the things you describe, but, for example, writing an email is not "consuming". Nor is managing a to do list, or editing a photo, or using a drawing program, and so on. Some of that may not be wildly creative, but it's as much as, or more than, many people do on a "full" computer, so what's the purpose of saying this about a tablet?
This entire "consumption" vs. "creation" dichotomy is a false representation both of the capabilities and uses of an iPad and the uses of a PC. It's either being repeated ad nauseam by people who either want to prejudice the image of tablets, or people who haven't really thought about the actual uses of tablets or computers. It's not, as I have stated, a meaningful distinguishing characteristic of tablets, so why is it bandied about as some important, gospel truth?
Translated, what I said was, "This whole iPad is (mostly) for consumption thing is a bunch of BS."
And you'd be wrong, but don't let that stop you from endlessly repeating it.