I'm talking about what was best for Apple not what was best for you.
IE owned 98% of the browser market and Netscape was the walking dead.
Verizon turned down the iPhone. AT&T agreed to revolutionize the phone market.
Hardly. IE became the default browser on Mac because SJ made a deal with MS. That was in 1998 and Netscape was very popular for Mac in that time. Besides he said it IS the best browser to loud boos from the audience. He did not say it is the best browser for Apple's business. Same thing for the iPhone. He tried to take it to the 'best' carrier who foolishly turned him down. AT&T was his second choice and again he said on stage that they were the best carrier. LIES ALL LIES!
There are people who "activate" their phone 100 times with different ROMs. Since activation isn't tied to serial (as it only counts phones with Google services) I have a hard time believing Google in this case.
It is quite clear how Apple would be able to track unique activations being the hardware manufacturer, software vendor, and activator.
I think it is really up to Google to prove their case here.
That's a great question? I've "activated" my Droid 6 times in the last month. As for the topic at hand I say who cares. I just don't get this whole iOS vs Android crap. There are enough consumers for both to not only survive but also thrive. I was considering getting a Roku but am now leaning heavily toward getting Apple TV. So this year both Google and Apple will have an "activation" from me. BTW these forums wouldn't be interesting without a few nay sayers thrown in, so lay off Blackintosh. If you don't like what he's writing don't read it. I for one am amused by his rants.
I was listening as well and got the impression that he was correcting the media's numbers about activations in general (including iOS devices). I don't remember other companies being mentioned at all.
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I actually listened to event whilst driving home in my car and don't remember Jobs mentioning Google or Android at all.
I'll have to have a rerun of the event unless someone here knows otherwise.
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Originally Posted by matrix07
No other companies mentioned but Jobs said "we think some of our friends included upgraded in their..."
The fact of the matter is your all right. He didnt point any direct jabs at any particular company. Its the internet trolls that jumped onto the bandwagon thinking that he was talking about Android.
For all we know he was actually talking about Palm or Nokia.
Internet forums are a place where rumour, speculation and blatant untruths become fact overnight if enough people repost them.
God this forum is going to go south really quickly......................
And in 3... 2... 1....
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Apple is a fine one to talk trash about anyone else's numbers. I would still like to see the return numbers on iPhones with antenna issues. Not the Apple Care complaint figures he quoted at the press conference. ATT is bad enough, but with that ridiculous external antenna I can't believe the iPhone sold as many units as Apple claims if people are dropping calls all over the country.
As far as the iPad is concerned, same thing. I would love to see the return figures from people who spent five hundred or more bucks for this stupid thing and sat down on the couch and tried to visit their favorite websites only to find holes where flash content would usually be. Oh, I have to get up and go to my iMac to visit this or that site. Or it doesn't display correctly using Safari.
Yeah, I know. The antenna issue was made up by bloggers and if websites use flash then they are stupid and shouldn't be visited. Apple rules the internet.
At the end of the day ethically I can handle consumer and business technology. One day it may truly be evil, and can be used by evildoers. But in context of environmental pollution, wars, totalitarian or simply just corrupt regimes, FFS, there are more important causes than how many activations a company may or may not be lying about. It must be nice to live in a bubble where Google vs Apple is your biggest worry.
Apple made the deal with MS to help keep the Mac relevant on the internet. That was deep within the time that most websites were optimized for IE. You really think Apple should have hitched the future of their business to Netscape over IE? He got boos about an MS product at a Mac conference..........
AT&T was the best carrier for what Apple needed. And of course he has to ingratiate them. The iPhone would not likely be what it is today if AT&T had not taken the risk that they did.
I guess Verizon is the best carrier if you don't mind their tyrannical policies.
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Hardly. IE became the default browser on Mac because SJ made a deal with MS. That was in 1998 and Netscape was very popular for Mac in that time. Besides he said it IS the best browser to loud boos from the audience. He did not say it is the best browser for Apple's business. Same thing for the iPhone. He tried to take it to the 'best' carrier who foolishly turned him down. AT&T was his second choice and again he said on stage that they were the best carrier. LIES ALL LIES!
That's a great question? I've "activated" my Droid 6 times in the last month. As for the topic at hand I say who cares. I just don't get this whole iOS vs Android crap. There are enough consumers for both to not only survive but also thrive. I was considering getting a Roku but am now leaning heavily toward getting Apple TV. So this year both Google and Apple will have an "activation" from me. BTW these forums wouldn't be interesting without a few nay sayers thrown in, so lay off Blackintosh. If you don't like what he's writing don't read it. I for one am amused by his rants.
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Keep beating that dead horse Blackintosh. I'm sure one day it'll stand up and run the Kentucky Derby for you.
The only dead horse here is this forum.
I'm talking about what was best for Apple not what was best for you.
IE owned 98% of the browser market and Netscape was the walking dead.
Verizon turned down the iPhone. AT&T agreed to revolutionize the phone market.
Hardly. IE became the default browser on Mac because SJ made a deal with MS. That was in 1998 and Netscape was very popular for Mac in that time. Besides he said it IS the best browser to loud boos from the audience. He did not say it is the best browser for Apple's business. Same thing for the iPhone. He tried to take it to the 'best' carrier who foolishly turned him down. AT&T was his second choice and again he said on stage that they were the best carrier. LIES ALL LIES!
Here is a question.
How does google track "new" activations?
There are people who "activate" their phone 100 times with different ROMs. Since activation isn't tied to serial (as it only counts phones with Google services) I have a hard time believing Google in this case.
It is quite clear how Apple would be able to track unique activations being the hardware manufacturer, software vendor, and activator.
I think it is really up to Google to prove their case here.
That's a great question? I've "activated" my Droid 6 times in the last month. As for the topic at hand I say who cares. I just don't get this whole iOS vs Android crap. There are enough consumers for both to not only survive but also thrive. I was considering getting a Roku but am now leaning heavily toward getting Apple TV. So this year both Google and Apple will have an "activation" from me. BTW these forums wouldn't be interesting without a few nay sayers thrown in, so lay off Blackintosh. If you don't like what he's writing don't read it. I for one am amused by his rants.
Just ignore the rabid fanboys and trolls, and you will enjoy the experience. Welcome again.
Dude there would be no posts left if you cut those 2 categories out
I was listening as well and got the impression that he was correcting the media's numbers about activations in general (including iOS devices). I don't remember other companies being mentioned at all.
I actually listened to event whilst driving home in my car and don't remember Jobs mentioning Google or Android at all.
I'll have to have a rerun of the event unless someone here knows otherwise.
No other companies mentioned but Jobs said "we think some of our friends included upgraded in their..."
The fact of the matter is your all right. He didnt point any direct jabs at any particular company. Its the internet trolls that jumped onto the bandwagon thinking that he was talking about Android.
For all we know he was actually talking about Palm or Nokia.
Internet forums are a place where rumour, speculation and blatant untruths become fact overnight if enough people repost them.
Its a shame really.
God this forum is going to go south really quickly......................
And in 3... 2... 1....
Apple is a fine one to talk trash about anyone else's numbers. I would still like to see the return numbers on iPhones with antenna issues. Not the Apple Care complaint figures he quoted at the press conference. ATT is bad enough, but with that ridiculous external antenna I can't believe the iPhone sold as many units as Apple claims if people are dropping calls all over the country.
As far as the iPad is concerned, same thing. I would love to see the return figures from people who spent five hundred or more bucks for this stupid thing and sat down on the couch and tried to visit their favorite websites only to find holes where flash content would usually be. Oh, I have to get up and go to my iMac to visit this or that site. Or it doesn't display correctly using Safari.
Yeah, I know. The antenna issue was made up by bloggers and if websites use flash then they are stupid and shouldn't be visited. Apple rules the internet.
Whatever you say Steve, thy will be done.
There ya go.
At the end of the day ethically I can handle consumer and business technology. One day it may truly be evil, and can be used by evildoers. But in context of environmental pollution, wars, totalitarian or simply just corrupt regimes, FFS, there are more important causes than how many activations a company may or may not be lying about. It must be nice to live in a bubble where Google vs Apple is your biggest worry.
AT&T was the best carrier for what Apple needed. And of course he has to ingratiate them. The iPhone would not likely be what it is today if AT&T had not taken the risk that they did.
I guess Verizon is the best carrier if you don't mind their tyrannical policies.
Hardly. IE became the default browser on Mac because SJ made a deal with MS. That was in 1998 and Netscape was very popular for Mac in that time. Besides he said it IS the best browser to loud boos from the audience. He did not say it is the best browser for Apple's business. Same thing for the iPhone. He tried to take it to the 'best' carrier who foolishly turned him down. AT&T was his second choice and again he said on stage that they were the best carrier. LIES ALL LIES!
That's a great question? I've "activated" my Droid 6 times in the last month. As for the topic at hand I say who cares. I just don't get this whole iOS vs Android crap. There are enough consumers for both to not only survive but also thrive. I was considering getting a Roku but am now leaning heavily toward getting Apple TV. So this year both Google and Apple will have an "activation" from me. BTW these forums wouldn't be interesting without a few nay sayers thrown in, so lay off Blackintosh. If you don't like what he's writing don't read it. I for one am amused by his rants.
The amusement wears thin quite fast.