You probably mean UNIX server not Linux server, wich is like OS X or iOS a UNIX derivate.
Linux still makes up most servers, other Unixes are fairly small, with Solaris coming in second. The number of Mac OS X based servers is practically zero
Yep, more than two decades later and Mac OS still has half its peak marketshare, while Windows has 91.34%.
Yep, more than two decades later and you still don't understand that Apple chooses not to license their OS to every Tom, Dick, and Harry PC vendor on the planet because they are capable of not just putting together a PC or just making an OS or just around software for a PC OS, but are capable of the creating a whole package which is why they take 1/3 of all the proits from the PC industry. Despite your insistence on the subject Apple could license their OS to everyone, but no one else is able to make PC sales as profitable as Apple per quarter.
Because if it's still behind Android and all desktop systems in that regard, frequently-accessed pages would yield an artificially high traffic rate, making a limitation of the system look like a bump in market share.
Because if it's still behind Android and all desktop systems in that regard, frequently-accessed pages would yield an artificially high traffic rate, making a limitation of the system look like a bump in market share.
You mean that iOS total browser cache limit that is at least 2x as large as Android ?Froyo? v2.2?
... Most notably video playback, which is much more efficient from the browser or from a dedicated app. This is a real issue for Adobe. It, in itself, won?t kill Flash, but it will chip away at Flash?s percentage of use for such services.
Precisely. There was no reason for Flash to be killed before smartphones and other portable computing devices began playing video. Now Flash's inefficiency will help to bring it down in the mobile space. (Not to mention the fact that Flash apps in general aren't designed for multi-touch and need a cursor.)
I wonder if iOS has proliferated more than Solaris, Fragdroid, all the Linux mutants, etc. It certainly must be the most popular UNIX variant in the consumer electronics space, with 160 million iOS devices already out there...
Precisely. There was no reason for Flash to be killed before smartphones and other portable computing devices began playing video. Now Flash's inefficiency will help to bring it down in the mobile space. (Not to mention the fact that Flash apps in general aren't designed for multi-touch and need a cursor.)
This was one of the many major hurdles Adobe had to tackle before Flash could go give for any touch based system. They do seem have tackled that pretty well, but most developers are having to alter their code if they want their Flash apps to work effectively. I still have yet to see a Flash anything on a phone work more effectively and more efficiently than the equivalent native app or webcode.
Personally, I don?t think Adobe will ever be able to figure it out. They were lazy for too long at the wrong time when the entire game changed. Now we phones with real browsers, that are touch based, with real apps and dynamic webcode that has features that was capable in Flash just a coupel years ago.
PS: The streaming video using HTTP LIve Streaming was a huge success on Wednesday despite some having some issue from time to time. It was a live event, after all. If you are using an iOS device of a machine running Snow Leopard you can watch the recorded video in HTTP Live Streaming. Other OSes use the .MOV video stream, which has a much smaller bit rate and is more choppy according to my testing between Safari, Firefox and Chrome on Snow Leopard.
I bring this up because HTTP Live Streaming is a dynamic service that offers encrypted streams, the one thing Flash still had going for it over simply using the basic <video> and <audio> tag sin HTML5. I think it?s only a matter of time before other browsers/OSes incorporate HTTP Live Streaming.
You mean that iOS total browser cache limit that is at least 2x as large as Android ?Froyo? v2.2?
Per downloaded component, yes, but Android's is persistent while iOS appears not to be (unless they've finally caught up with the rest of the world).
For those who misunderstood the statistic in the article, that accounts for the seeming loss of Linux traffic: as a percentage of overall traffic, because Linux caching is so superior to iOS' it will result in fewer redundant downloads even if the same number of pages are accessed.
I wonder if iOS has proliferated more than Solaris, Fragdroid, all the Linux mutants, etc. It certainly must be the most popular UNIX variant in the consumer electronics space, with 160 million iOS devices already out there...
I?m not sure if iOS is UNIX certified or simply UNIX-like, as previously noted, but either way I think it?s a fair to refer to the "OS X" umbrella here since I think both the Mac OS and iOS forks include the same Kernel and Darwin base.
Yep, more than two decades later and Mac OS still has half its peak marketshare, while Windows has 91.34%.
And, yet, with only 5% market share, Apple has 35% of the entire industry's profits. Which would you rather have- market share or profits?
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Linux still makes up most servers, other Unixes are fairly small, with Solaris coming in second. The number of Mac OS X based servers is practically zero
take a look at uptime.netcraft.com
Funny, but that site does nothing to support your contention (that there are practically zero OS X based servers). In fact, there are a lot - especially considering that Apple really doesn't push the server or the enterprise market.
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You probably mean UNIX server not Linux server, wich is like OS X or iOS a UNIX derivate.
Linux still makes up most servers, other Unixes are fairly small, with Solaris coming in second. The number of Mac OS X based servers is practically zero
take a look at uptime.netcraft.com
How amusing that the top providers have chosen BSD over Linux. Also the Jan 2009 netcraft survey indicated Windows had half the server market according to wikipedia. Not sure how that works given that IIS share wasn't that high.
Most webservers maybe but not total servers. Windows seems to still dominate that arena given how almost every IT shop is windows centric.
Oh really? Flash is obsolete? Hmm. Still see it all over the web. Oh wait, you don't notice it because you don't have it.
Flash is a medium to expand the capabilities of the browser beyond popping up video and photos and maybe a sound or too. HTML5 has it's place, and it's great, but there are things that it just won't do and some that it doesn't do effectively. If you did professional web development for a living, you'd know that there are somethings that flash does a better job on and others that are best left to Javascript/HTML. I do not create an entire website in flash. And I hate websites that are completely flash, but some elements on a website might have Flash. (Not advertisements, btw. I hate those just as much as everyone else).
Adobe is working on adding accelerated 3D capabilities to flash. HTML5/Javascript definitely won't do that effectively. Maybe in the future it could be expanded to add more functionality, but it may take another decade.
Sorry to say this, but Steve Jobs can't kill Flash just by saying he won't allow it on his devices. He doesn't have that much of the market. And many of the people that I know have chosen android over iOS because it promised Flash. Adobe delivered. It's still beta, but it's impressive even on a single core 650mhz phone.
It is true that Flash is not dead yet. But accelerated 3D to Flash is a waste of time and will eat up even more resources. 10.1 GPU decoding is rubbish, it only applies to huge-bandwidth gobbling HD streams. 3D accelerate what on Flash? For Flash games? For 2D animations and Flash menus? Adobe is barking up the wrong tree.
And why is the mobile Flash beta still in beta? If it was so impressive, why isn't it on all the major Android and Blackberry phones?
Show me Android phones, tablets and Blackberry phones running Flash without high battery and CPU use. Show me shipping products. Not promised updates, betas and other such shenanigans.
The new battle of this decade is traditional vs mobile computing. Flash and Microsoft is on one side, and HTML(5) and iOS, on the other. Android is trying to bridge both sides, but may end up becoming too ambitious.
That said, I can't imagine why Apple has to be the only company trying to bring sense to the mobile and computing arena. Android is important as well, that's cool. But Flash, seems destined to struggle on mobile implementations. There's been a lot of promises by Adobe but I'm not seeing widespread, real world results.
Personally, I don?t think Adobe will ever be able to figure it out. They were lazy for too long at the wrong time when the entire game changed. Now we phones with real browsers, that are touch based, with real apps and dynamic webcode that has features that was capable in Flash just a coupel years ago...
I can't imagine still where the hell Adobe dropped the ball. They MAKE HTML and CSS and Ajax development products. They make visual and video products. It's all there. Flash is just one portion of what they do. PDF is widespread. All Adobe needs is to simply, make Flash work on a mobile device, reliably, intelligently, and make Flash as resource-unintensive as possible. Forget 10.1 with GPU decoding, that's just for video right now. 3D accelerated Flash games is all cool, but will never be up to the level of even iOS devices in any widespread way. Adobe, from 2009, should have thrown resources at a truly universal Flash 11 player and development tools. Something went seriously wrong from 2008 with regards to how Adobe views Flash. They were pushing for Air for example, so that you had native desktop apps. Flash DRM media players for streaming and Internet TV... Wrong direction. The mobile revolution was underfoot, and they're trying to cram things back down from desktop to mobile/tablet.
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And iOS is on platforms that don't require a data plan (iPod and iPad) whereas android thus far is strictly on phones. it doesn't look like android is even going to bother to compete with devices like the ipod, but wait until the android powered tablets hit the shelves and report back.
Yup, 9 months since iPad was announced and I'm still waiting for an actual globally-shipping iPad competitor, Android or otherwise. I'll check again next year on Android tablets "hitting the shelves".
How amusing that the top providers have chosen BSD over Linux. Also the Jan 2009 netcraft survey indicated Windows had half the server market according to wikipedia. Not sure how that works given that IIS share wasn't that high.
Most webservers maybe but not total servers. Windows seems to still dominate that arena given how almost every IT shop is windows centric.
that was freebsd and what is amusing about it? its a good operating system. whats amusing is i see nothing with os x server. apple doesn't really care about enterprise. i have pleaded with engineer for some apple competition for exchange. he suggested 'xythos'.
google runs on linux.
hotmail,live runs on windows (took them forever to get off of freebds though)
those are huge systems.
freebsd is a good choice for companies that want to use the code and then not share what they build on top of it.
And, yet, with only 5% market share, Apple has 35% of the entire industry's profits. Which would you rather have- market share or profits?
As a buyer, I want to have a good ecosystem. So I choose market share. In this regard, the trends are good for Android.
As a seller, I want to get big profits any way I possibly can. Apple is very good at that. And make no mistake, Apple wants bigtime market share in order to keep up its ecosystem in order to keep up its profits.
I?m not sure if iOS is UNIX certified or simply UNIX-like, as previously noted, but either way I think it?s a fair to refer to the "OS X" umbrella here since I think both the Mac OS and iOS forks include the same Kernel and Darwin base.
hats off to apple, they did what none of the others could do. built a wonderful unix system that anyone can use. not to diminish in any way the hard work put into what went before and what curently goes on with linux etc, but Jobs took unix away from the geeks that kept it in the stone age graphically, and produced a masterpiece.
Can we have any discussion that doesn't descend into the Flash debate?
Evidently, no. This thread is the perfect example of how trolls dominate threads on this forum. I count 3 bonafide trolls in this thread.. All are on my ignore list and yet almost every response is quoting their completely asinine posts--so I get to read their gibberish anyway in the quotes/responses by others. Otherwise there is no way to follow the conversation. So once again, the trolls win. Although I fail to see what their victory achieves for them. Point being, we all need to update our ignore lists or have every thread turn into a flash/antenna-gate/etc discussion. Interwebs rule # 1: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!
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You probably mean UNIX server not Linux server, wich is like OS X or iOS a UNIX derivate.
Linux still makes up most servers, other Unixes are fairly small, with Solaris coming in second. The number of Mac OS X based servers is practically zero
take a look at uptime.netcraft.com
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operat...e.aspx?qprid=8
Yep, more than two decades later and Mac OS still has half its peak marketshare, while Windows has 91.34%.
Yep, more than two decades later and Mac OS still has half its peak marketshare, while Windows has 91.34%.
Yep, more than two decades later and you still don't understand that Apple chooses not to license their OS to every Tom, Dick, and Harry PC vendor on the planet because they are capable of not just putting together a PC or just making an OS or just around software for a PC OS, but are capable of the creating a whole package which is why they take 1/3 of all the proits from the PC industry. Despite your insistence on the subject Apple could license their OS to everyone, but no one else is able to make PC sales as profitable as Apple per quarter.
Because if it's still behind Android and all desktop systems in that regard, frequently-accessed pages would yield an artificially high traffic rate, making a limitation of the system look like a bump in market share.
Does iOS have a persistent browser cache yet?
Because if it's still behind Android and all desktop systems in that regard, frequently-accessed pages would yield an artificially high traffic rate, making a limitation of the system look like a bump in market share.
You mean that iOS total browser cache limit that is at least 2x as large as Android ?Froyo? v2.2?
... Most notably video playback, which is much more efficient from the browser or from a dedicated app. This is a real issue for Adobe. It, in itself, won?t kill Flash, but it will chip away at Flash?s percentage of use for such services.
Precisely. There was no reason for Flash to be killed before smartphones and other portable computing devices began playing video. Now Flash's inefficiency will help to bring it down in the mobile space. (Not to mention the fact that Flash apps in general aren't designed for multi-touch and need a cursor.)
Precisely. There was no reason for Flash to be killed before smartphones and other portable computing devices began playing video. Now Flash's inefficiency will help to bring it down in the mobile space. (Not to mention the fact that Flash apps in general aren't designed for multi-touch and need a cursor.)
This was one of the many major hurdles Adobe had to tackle before Flash could go give for any touch based system. They do seem have tackled that pretty well, but most developers are having to alter their code if they want their Flash apps to work effectively. I still have yet to see a Flash anything on a phone work more effectively and more efficiently than the equivalent native app or webcode.
Personally, I don?t think Adobe will ever be able to figure it out. They were lazy for too long at the wrong time when the entire game changed. Now we phones with real browsers, that are touch based, with real apps and dynamic webcode that has features that was capable in Flash just a coupel years ago.
PS: The streaming video using HTTP LIve Streaming was a huge success on Wednesday despite some having some issue from time to time. It was a live event, after all. If you are using an iOS device of a machine running Snow Leopard you can watch the recorded video in HTTP Live Streaming. Other OSes use the .MOV video stream, which has a much smaller bit rate and is more choppy according to my testing between Safari, Firefox and Chrome on Snow Leopard.
I bring this up because HTTP Live Streaming is a dynamic service that offers encrypted streams, the one thing Flash still had going for it over simply using the basic <video> and <audio> tag sin HTML5. I think it?s only a matter of time before other browsers/OSes incorporate HTTP Live Streaming.
You mean that iOS total browser cache limit that is at least 2x as large as Android ?Froyo? v2.2?
Per downloaded component, yes, but Android's is persistent while iOS appears not to be (unless they've finally caught up with the rest of the world).
For those who misunderstood the statistic in the article, that accounts for the seeming loss of Linux traffic: as a percentage of overall traffic, because Linux caching is so superior to iOS' it will result in fewer redundant downloads even if the same number of pages are accessed.
I wonder if iOS has proliferated more than Solaris, Fragdroid, all the Linux mutants, etc. It certainly must be the most popular UNIX variant in the consumer electronics space, with 160 million iOS devices already out there...
I?m not sure if iOS is UNIX certified or simply UNIX-like, as previously noted, but either way I think it?s a fair to refer to the "OS X" umbrella here since I think both the Mac OS and iOS forks include the same Kernel and Darwin base.
Yep, more than two decades later and Mac OS still has half its peak marketshare, while Windows has 91.34%.
And, yet, with only 5% market share, Apple has 35% of the entire industry's profits. Which would you rather have- market share or profits?
Linux still makes up most servers, other Unixes are fairly small, with Solaris coming in second. The number of Mac OS X based servers is practically zero
take a look at uptime.netcraft.com
Funny, but that site does nothing to support your contention (that there are practically zero OS X based servers). In fact, there are a lot - especially considering that Apple really doesn't push the server or the enterprise market.
You probably mean UNIX server not Linux server, wich is like OS X or iOS a UNIX derivate.
Wrong. OS X is a full, certified Unix.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...tification.ars
I wonder why so many uninformed people have to parade their ignorance-just so they have an excuse to bash Apple?
It shows just how fast Flash is losing relevance.
Linux still makes up most servers, other Unixes are fairly small, with Solaris coming in second. The number of Mac OS X based servers is practically zero
take a look at uptime.netcraft.com
How amusing that the top providers have chosen BSD over Linux. Also the Jan 2009 netcraft survey indicated Windows had half the server market according to wikipedia. Not sure how that works given that IIS share wasn't that high.
Most webservers maybe but not total servers. Windows seems to still dominate that arena given how almost every IT shop is windows centric.
Oh really? Flash is obsolete? Hmm. Still see it all over the web. Oh wait, you don't notice it because you don't have it.
Flash is a medium to expand the capabilities of the browser beyond popping up video and photos and maybe a sound or too. HTML5 has it's place, and it's great, but there are things that it just won't do and some that it doesn't do effectively. If you did professional web development for a living, you'd know that there are somethings that flash does a better job on and others that are best left to Javascript/HTML. I do not create an entire website in flash. And I hate websites that are completely flash, but some elements on a website might have Flash. (Not advertisements, btw. I hate those just as much as everyone else).
Adobe is working on adding accelerated 3D capabilities to flash. HTML5/Javascript definitely won't do that effectively. Maybe in the future it could be expanded to add more functionality, but it may take another decade.
Sorry to say this, but Steve Jobs can't kill Flash just by saying he won't allow it on his devices. He doesn't have that much of the market. And many of the people that I know have chosen android over iOS because it promised Flash. Adobe delivered. It's still beta, but it's impressive even on a single core 650mhz phone.
It is true that Flash is not dead yet. But accelerated 3D to Flash is a waste of time and will eat up even more resources. 10.1 GPU decoding is rubbish, it only applies to huge-bandwidth gobbling HD streams. 3D accelerate what on Flash? For Flash games? For 2D animations and Flash menus? Adobe is barking up the wrong tree.
And why is the mobile Flash beta still in beta? If it was so impressive, why isn't it on all the major Android and Blackberry phones?
Show me Android phones, tablets and Blackberry phones running Flash without high battery and CPU use. Show me shipping products. Not promised updates, betas and other such shenanigans.
The new battle of this decade is traditional vs mobile computing. Flash and Microsoft is on one side, and HTML(5) and iOS, on the other. Android is trying to bridge both sides, but may end up becoming too ambitious.
That said, I can't imagine why Apple has to be the only company trying to bring sense to the mobile and computing arena. Android is important as well, that's cool. But Flash, seems destined to struggle on mobile implementations. There's been a lot of promises by Adobe but I'm not seeing widespread, real world results.
Personally, I don?t think Adobe will ever be able to figure it out. They were lazy for too long at the wrong time when the entire game changed. Now we phones with real browsers, that are touch based, with real apps and dynamic webcode that has features that was capable in Flash just a coupel years ago...
I can't imagine still where the hell Adobe dropped the ball. They MAKE HTML and CSS and Ajax development products. They make visual and video products. It's all there. Flash is just one portion of what they do. PDF is widespread. All Adobe needs is to simply, make Flash work on a mobile device, reliably, intelligently, and make Flash as resource-unintensive as possible. Forget 10.1 with GPU decoding, that's just for video right now. 3D accelerated Flash games is all cool, but will never be up to the level of even iOS devices in any widespread way. Adobe, from 2009, should have thrown resources at a truly universal Flash 11 player and development tools. Something went seriously wrong from 2008 with regards to how Adobe views Flash. They were pushing for Air for example, so that you had native desktop apps. Flash DRM media players for streaming and Internet TV... Wrong direction. The mobile revolution was underfoot, and they're trying to cram things back down from desktop to mobile/tablet.
And iOS is on platforms that don't require a data plan (iPod and iPad) whereas android thus far is strictly on phones. it doesn't look like android is even going to bother to compete with devices like the ipod, but wait until the android powered tablets hit the shelves and report back.
Yup, 9 months since iPad was announced and I'm still waiting for an actual globally-shipping iPad competitor, Android or otherwise. I'll check again next year on Android tablets "hitting the shelves".
How amusing that the top providers have chosen BSD over Linux. Also the Jan 2009 netcraft survey indicated Windows had half the server market according to wikipedia. Not sure how that works given that IIS share wasn't that high.
Most webservers maybe but not total servers. Windows seems to still dominate that arena given how almost every IT shop is windows centric.
that was freebsd and what is amusing about it? its a good operating system. whats amusing is i see nothing with os x server. apple doesn't really care about enterprise. i have pleaded with engineer for some apple competition for exchange. he suggested 'xythos'.
google runs on linux.
hotmail,live runs on windows (took them forever to get off of freebds though)
those are huge systems.
freebsd is a good choice for companies that want to use the code and then not share what they build on top of it.
<removed. woke up on the wrong side of the bed>
And, yet, with only 5% market share, Apple has 35% of the entire industry's profits. Which would you rather have- market share or profits?
As a buyer, I want to have a good ecosystem. So I choose market share. In this regard, the trends are good for Android.
As a seller, I want to get big profits any way I possibly can. Apple is very good at that. And make no mistake, Apple wants bigtime market share in order to keep up its ecosystem in order to keep up its profits.
How amusing that the top providers have chosen BSD over Linux.
Why is that amusing? I don't get it.
I?m not sure if iOS is UNIX certified or simply UNIX-like, as previously noted, but either way I think it?s a fair to refer to the "OS X" umbrella here since I think both the Mac OS and iOS forks include the same Kernel and Darwin base.
hats off to apple, they did what none of the others could do. built a wonderful unix system that anyone can use. not to diminish in any way the hard work put into what went before and what curently goes on with linux etc, but Jobs took unix away from the geeks that kept it in the stone age graphically, and produced a masterpiece.
Can we have any discussion that doesn't descend into the Flash debate?
Evidently, no. This thread is the perfect example of how trolls dominate threads on this forum. I count 3 bonafide trolls in this thread.. All are on my ignore list and yet almost every response is quoting their completely asinine posts--so I get to read their gibberish anyway in the quotes/responses by others. Otherwise there is no way to follow the conversation. So once again, the trolls win. Although I fail to see what their victory achieves for them. Point being, we all need to update our ignore lists or have every thread turn into a flash/antenna-gate/etc discussion. Interwebs rule # 1: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!