"Let's see, you made a claim regarding Nokia not making any more Symbian based N series devices. Where is your proof of this claim? I posted something that proves you claim was wrong, but your hatred means you will ignore this. Says alot about you."
Nokia has made that very confusing. See what you can make of this remark, and I'll tell you what the interpretation is thought to be.
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?Symbian is the chosen platform for us for smart phones,? said Kai Oistamo, Nokia?s executive vice president for device, ?MeeGo is about the next wave, where wireless devices will go next.?
It's believed that it means that currently, Nokia will be making Symbian smartphones, but in the future, they will move them, and any other devices they might make, to MeeGo.
Nokia has made that very confusing. See what you can make of this remark, and I'll tell you what the interpretation is thought to be.
It's believed that it means that currently, Nokia will be making Symbian smartphones, but in the future, they will move them, and any other devices they might make, to MeeGo.
I think he's talking about a post-smartphone world, anticipating huge marketing emphasis on other form factors, which will use MeeGo.
I think he's talking about a post-smartphone world, anticipating huge marketing emphasis on other form factors, which will use MeeGo.
Just my guess.
I'm not so sure about that. What IS a post smartphone world? People will still need a small phone/computer device to take with them at almost all times. I guess we could call it something else, but it won't be.
I believe that over time, Nokia will be abandoning Symbian. Symbian 3 has already been called "creaky" among other things not positive. There's only so much you can do to an OS that was never designed to do that.
People have to separate Symbian from Nokia. I'm sure that inside Nokia they're aware of this problem. That's why MeeGo, after Meamo. It's like Apple buying Next when Copeland failed. If a company doesn't understand when what they're relying on isn't going to work in the future, they're finished.
I believe that over time, Nokia will be abandoning Symbian. Symbian 3 has already been called "creaky" among other things not positive. There's only so much you can do to an OS that was never designed to do that.
I am certain the abandonment of Symbian has been in Nokia's plans for a few years. But there are two problems.
1) They can't do it without upsetting a lot of people.
2) The alternative isn't ready for prime-time yet.
So they are stuck in the middle, forced to work on two overlapping technologies. One old and clunky, the other modern but only half-finished.
Apple found themselves in a similar position.
I think the open-sourcing of Symbian was the first step in the jettisoning of it. Perhaps they thought other manufacturers would step-in and contribute to the upkeep of the ageing OS. But it was an uninviting prospect. Like inviting a neighbor to fix your toilet.
Perhaps a new management team, less concerned with politics, will be a bit more brutal.
When something goes from "not very much" to "an awful lot", it is often described as a "change".
C.
yes it is. But that still doesn't change the fact that the behaviour you described in the message I referred to is still the same as it has always been. If you meant something else, you should have said it, stop whinging at your mistake, man up and accept it.
yes it is. But that still doesn't change the fact that the behaviour you described in the message I referred to is still the same as it has always been. If you meant something else, you should have said it, stop whinging at your mistake, man up and accept it.
Oh dear. If you can cite a prior instance where customers have migrated networks to get their hands on a phone in huge numbers - please do so.
I described a sea-change in customer behaviour (as part of a much larger argument) backed it up with evidence. And am now accused of lying and hatred. This is pretty tiresome.
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to point out where I accused anyone of lying.
Do you have an issue with reading. You have been the one lying constanting in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Carniphage
Or accused anyone of being blinded by hatred.
Again, this wasn't said, you are the one showing extreme hatred, if I followed everyone elses statements I would call you can extreme Apple fanboy, you can't be objective,
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Originally Posted by Carniphage
Or perhaps merely holding a different opinion from you is justification enough?
Nothing wrong with a different opinion, your issue is you can't handle anyone elses.
I am certain the abandonment of Symbian has been in Nokia's plans for a few years. But there are two problems.
1) They can't do it without upsetting a lot of people.
2) The alternative isn't ready for prime-time yet.
So they are stuck in the middle, forced to work on two overlapping technologies. One old and clunky, the other modern but only half-finished.
Apple found themselves in a similar position.
I think the open-sourcing of Symbian was the first step in the jettisoning of it. Perhaps they thought other manufacturers would step-in and contribute to the upkeep of the ageing OS. But it was an uninviting prospect. Like inviting a neighbor to fix your toilet.
Perhaps a new management team, less concerned with politics, will be a bit more brutal.
C.
They were hoping that other companies would hop onto the bandwagon. The only other company I know that has a Symbian phone is Sony/Erricson. Instead the rest hopped onto the Android hayride because it just a much better OS, though still rough.
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to point out where I accused anyone of lying.
Or accused anyone of being blinded by hatred.
Or perhaps merely holding a different opinion from you is justification enough?
C.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Your extreme hatred is coming out again, once again it shows how you can't be objective
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carniphage
Oh dear. If you can cite a prior instance where customers have migrated networks to get their hands on a phone in huge numbers - please do so.
I described a sea-change in customer behaviour (as part of a much larger argument) backed it up with evidence. And am now accused of lying and hatred. This is pretty tiresome.
C.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Do you have an issue with reading. You have been the one lying constanting in this thread.
Again, this wasn't said, you are the one showing extreme hatred, if I followed everyone elses statements I would call you can extreme Apple fanboy, you can't be objective,
Nothing wrong with a different opinion, your issue is you can't handle anyone elses.
Look guys, I want you ALL to stop this now. It's past the silly point, and is rising to the delete point. I don't care who started it, so don't bother.
They were hoping that other companies would hop onto the bandwagon. The only other company I know that has a Symbian phone is Sony/Erricson. Instead the rest hopped onto the Android hayride because it just a much better OS, though still rough.
I agree.
Android makes it very difficult to give away a worse OS.
Android also makes it very difficult to *sell* a worse OS. So unless Windows Phone 7 is really amazing, I can't see it finding much traction.
They were hoping that other companies would hop onto the bandwagon. The only other company I know that has a Symbian phone is Sony/Erricson. Instead the rest hopped onto the Android hayride because it just a much better OS, though still rough.
What about the Japanese companies that make Symbian phones for their market?
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Never once have you posted any support for this contention.
Never once. Apart from post 127
C.
You snipped it. Here it is:
"Let's see, you made a claim regarding Nokia not making any more Symbian based N series devices. Where is your proof of this claim? I posted something that proves you claim was wrong, but your hatred means you will ignore this. Says alot about you."
Nokia has made that very confusing. See what you can make of this remark, and I'll tell you what the interpretation is thought to be.
?Symbian is the chosen platform for us for smart phones,? said Kai Oistamo, Nokia?s executive vice president for device, ?MeeGo is about the next wave, where wireless devices will go next.?
It's believed that it means that currently, Nokia will be making Symbian smartphones, but in the future, they will move them, and any other devices they might make, to MeeGo.
Nokia has made that very confusing. See what you can make of this remark, and I'll tell you what the interpretation is thought to be.
It's believed that it means that currently, Nokia will be making Symbian smartphones, but in the future, they will move them, and any other devices they might make, to MeeGo.
I think he's talking about a post-smartphone world, anticipating huge marketing emphasis on other form factors, which will use MeeGo.
Just my guess.
I think he's talking about a post-smartphone world, anticipating huge marketing emphasis on other form factors, which will use MeeGo.
Post smartphone!
COOL!
I wonder what that will bring?
Perhaps something cool like tablets?
Or perhaps little phone-sized tablets that make phone calls?
Double Rainbow all the way!
C.
I think he's talking about a post-smartphone world, anticipating huge marketing emphasis on other form factors, which will use MeeGo.
Just my guess.
I'm not so sure about that. What IS a post smartphone world? People will still need a small phone/computer device to take with them at almost all times. I guess we could call it something else, but it won't be.
I believe that over time, Nokia will be abandoning Symbian. Symbian 3 has already been called "creaky" among other things not positive. There's only so much you can do to an OS that was never designed to do that.
People have to separate Symbian from Nokia. I'm sure that inside Nokia they're aware of this problem. That's why MeeGo, after Meamo. It's like Apple buying Next when Copeland failed. If a company doesn't understand when what they're relying on isn't going to work in the future, they're finished.
I believe that over time, Nokia will be abandoning Symbian. Symbian 3 has already been called "creaky" among other things not positive. There's only so much you can do to an OS that was never designed to do that.
I am certain the abandonment of Symbian has been in Nokia's plans for a few years. But there are two problems.
1) They can't do it without upsetting a lot of people.
2) The alternative isn't ready for prime-time yet.
So they are stuck in the middle, forced to work on two overlapping technologies. One old and clunky, the other modern but only half-finished.
Apple found themselves in a similar position.
I think the open-sourcing of Symbian was the first step in the jettisoning of it. Perhaps they thought other manufacturers would step-in and contribute to the upkeep of the ageing OS. But it was an uninviting prospect. Like inviting a neighbor to fix your toilet.
Perhaps a new management team, less concerned with politics, will be a bit more brutal.
C.
What is it with all this LIES and HATE - nonsense with you guys?
You started it, we just followed your lead
When something goes from "not very much" to "an awful lot", it is often described as a "change".
C.
yes it is. But that still doesn't change the fact that the behaviour you described in the message I referred to is still the same as it has always been. If you meant something else, you should have said it, stop whinging at your mistake, man up and accept it.
You started it, we just followed your lead
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to point out where I accused anyone of lying.
Or accused anyone of being blinded by hatred.
Or perhaps merely holding a different opinion from you is justification enough?
C.
[/SIZE]I wonder what that will bring?
Your extreme hatred is coming out again, once again it shows how you can't be objective
yes it is. But that still doesn't change the fact that the behaviour you described in the message I referred to is still the same as it has always been. If you meant something else, you should have said it, stop whinging at your mistake, man up and accept it.
Oh dear. If you can cite a prior instance where customers have migrated networks to get their hands on a phone in huge numbers - please do so.
I described a sea-change in customer behaviour (as part of a much larger argument) backed it up with evidence. And am now accused of lying and hatred. This is pretty tiresome.
C.
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to point out where I accused anyone of lying.
Do you have an issue with reading. You have been the one lying constanting in this thread.
Or accused anyone of being blinded by hatred.
Again, this wasn't said, you are the one showing extreme hatred, if I followed everyone elses statements I would call you can extreme Apple fanboy, you can't be objective,
Or perhaps merely holding a different opinion from you is justification enough?
Nothing wrong with a different opinion, your issue is you can't handle anyone elses.
I am certain the abandonment of Symbian has been in Nokia's plans for a few years. But there are two problems.
1) They can't do it without upsetting a lot of people.
2) The alternative isn't ready for prime-time yet.
So they are stuck in the middle, forced to work on two overlapping technologies. One old and clunky, the other modern but only half-finished.
Apple found themselves in a similar position.
I think the open-sourcing of Symbian was the first step in the jettisoning of it. Perhaps they thought other manufacturers would step-in and contribute to the upkeep of the ageing OS. But it was an uninviting prospect. Like inviting a neighbor to fix your toilet.
Perhaps a new management team, less concerned with politics, will be a bit more brutal.
C.
They were hoping that other companies would hop onto the bandwagon. The only other company I know that has a Symbian phone is Sony/Erricson. Instead the rest hopped onto the Android hayride because it just a much better OS, though still rough.
You started it, we just followed your lead
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to point out where I accused anyone of lying.
Or accused anyone of being blinded by hatred.
Or perhaps merely holding a different opinion from you is justification enough?
C.
Your extreme hatred is coming out again, once again it shows how you can't be objective
Oh dear. If you can cite a prior instance where customers have migrated networks to get their hands on a phone in huge numbers - please do so.
I described a sea-change in customer behaviour (as part of a much larger argument) backed it up with evidence. And am now accused of lying and hatred. This is pretty tiresome.
C.
Do you have an issue with reading. You have been the one lying constanting in this thread.
Again, this wasn't said, you are the one showing extreme hatred, if I followed everyone elses statements I would call you can extreme Apple fanboy, you can't be objective,
Nothing wrong with a different opinion, your issue is you can't handle anyone elses.
Look guys, I want you ALL to stop this now. It's past the silly point, and is rising to the delete point. I don't care who started it, so don't bother.
They were hoping that other companies would hop onto the bandwagon. The only other company I know that has a Symbian phone is Sony/Erricson. Instead the rest hopped onto the Android hayride because it just a much better OS, though still rough.
I agree.
Android makes it very difficult to give away a worse OS.
Android also makes it very difficult to *sell* a worse OS. So unless Windows Phone 7 is really amazing, I can't see it finding much traction.
C.
I agree.
Android makes it very difficult to give away a worse OS.
Android also makes it very difficult to *sell* a worse OS. So unless Windows Phone 7 is really amazing, I can't see it finding much traction.
C.
MS will have its supporters. Companies that made Win Mobile phones will be making WP7 phones, just not as many models. That alone might limit sales.
MS will have its supporters. Companies that made Win Mobile phones will be making WP7 phones, just not as many models. That alone might limit sales.
MS originally announced seven manufacturers.
It's apparently down to 3 or 4 now. HTC, Samsung, and LG are in.
The story is that Dell will be launching models too, but not in time for launch.
C.
MS originally announced seven manufacturers.
It's apparently down to 3 or 4 now. HTC, Samsung, and LG are in.
The story is that Dell will be launching models too, but not in time for launch.
C.
I believe it's still more than four.
They were hoping that other companies would hop onto the bandwagon. The only other company I know that has a Symbian phone is Sony/Erricson. Instead the rest hopped onto the Android hayride because it just a much better OS, though still rough.
What about the Japanese companies that make Symbian phones for their market?
What about the Japanese companies that make Symbian phones for their market?
And which one are those? As far as I know, there aren't any. They all use home grown OS's.