Having two competing OS technologies is two more than most cellphone companies. And one more than the others. Nokia are clearly going to have to dump one of them. They can't do this without upsetting some people.
Why? Nokia is not Apple, they are selling more than one model of phone and to more than just one set of consumers. Yes, I know you want to kill the majority of Nokia's phones, and you want them to only sell highly profitable phones to rich people. But since they sell phones to everyone, they need different solutions.
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Here's what Jean-Louis Gassee thinks:
Now wasn't he one of the Scully men at Apple? And didn't he start that company that developed that wonderful OS, only to have it fail dramitically? Oh yes, that's him, he sounds like a great guy to take advice from...[/QUOTE]
As I have explained before, prior to the iPhone a consumer could select a device, and select a network, this ability was not a new concept that Apple brought to the table.
Customers have always been *able* to do this. But largely speaking they did not actually do it.
Can you imagine a customer turning up at a Vodafone shop saying: "I would like to move my subscription please. So that I can get my hands on the B52487-B, My current network only supplies the B52487-A."
With iPhone we saw for the first time a mass migration of consumers. I am describing a dramatic change in consumer behaviour, not an innovation by Apple.
Customers have always been *able* to do this. But largely speaking they did not actually do it.
So why make the claim that Apple introduced this, they didn't.
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Can you imagine a customer turning up at a Vodafone shop saying: "I would like to move my subscription please. So that I can get my hands on the B52487-B, My current network only supplies the B52487-A."
No, I couldn't image them doing that, as that isn't how I have changed networks in the past. And in the past if I wanted a particular phone, I just purchased that phone and put my SIM in it. And why put the stupid codes in your message? it decreases the validity of your point.
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With iPhone we saw for the first time a mass migration of consumers. I am describing a dramatic change in consumer behaviour, not an innovation by Apple.
No, the way you were descibing it was this was an Apple innovation, hence my concern.
Yes you could say that, but you also have to look at the target for the OS
Why should an OS have a target? The idea is to create a single platform capable of supporting all applications. If the OS is *not* capable of delivering that functionality, then dump it.
I'd agree that a supercomputer needs a slightly different OS than a cellphone.
But developing two different cellphone operating systems within the same company is absurd.
I once worked for a game developer that developed two rival graphic engines. It went bust.
I would respectfully suggest you read what I actually wrote, rather than what you think I wrote.
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It was 101 I replied to. And I stand by what I have said, what you have written, and the way you have written it described the way it has always worked, it is not a new concept that came about with Apple.
Maybe you should go back and re-read what you wrote, as I don't think you understand what you wrote.
It was 101 I replied to. And I stand by what I have said, what you have written, and the way you have written it described the way it has always worked, it is not a new concept that came about with Apple.
Maybe you should go back and re-read what you wrote, as I don't think you understand what you wrote.
I think the posts are clear.
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With iPhone, the consumer selected the device, and picked whichever carrier that went with it. Even if that meant moving carrier.
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It's the choices of consumers that now drives the market. Not the choices forced on consumers by carriers.
I am describing a change in consumer behaviour - triggered by the iPhone. Not some marketing innovation by Apple. Apple's sole innovation was making a better device.
You are welcome to your thoughts, but in this case you are wrong.
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Originally Posted by Carniphage
I am describing a change in consumer behaviour - triggered by the iPhone. Not some marketing innovation by Apple. Apple's sole innovation was making a better device.
Again, this isn't a change in consumer behaviour if consumers were already doing this. Maybe you weren't doing it, but others were.
Which claim did I make which is false. Please explain?
You snipped it. Here it is:
"Let's see, you made a claim regarding Nokia not making any more Symbian based N series devices. Where is your proof of this claim? I posted something that proves you claim was wrong, but your hatred means you will ignore this. Says alot about you."
"Let's see, you made a claim regarding Nokia not making any more Symbian based N series devices. Where is your proof of this claim? I posted something that proves you claim was wrong, but your hatred means you will ignore this. Says alot about you."
The dropping of Symbian on future N-Series devices was widely reported.
Sometime later Anssi Vanjoki said there "may be" a Symbian 4 device called N-series. Something I took to be a political statement in case of a backlash.
Today he's left the job.
What is it with all this LIES and HATE - nonsense with you guys?
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Having two competing OS technologies is two more than most cellphone companies. And one more than the others. Nokia are clearly going to have to dump one of them. They can't do this without upsetting some people.
Why? Nokia is not Apple, they are selling more than one model of phone and to more than just one set of consumers. Yes, I know you want to kill the majority of Nokia's phones, and you want them to only sell highly profitable phones to rich people. But since they sell phones to everyone, they need different solutions.
Here's what Jean-Louis Gassee thinks:
Now wasn't he one of the Scully men at Apple? And didn't he start that company that developed that wonderful OS, only to have it fail dramitically? Oh yes, that's him, he sounds like a great guy to take advice from...[/QUOTE]
As I have explained before, prior to the iPhone a consumer could select a device, and select a network, this ability was not a new concept that Apple brought to the table.
Customers have always been *able* to do this. But largely speaking they did not actually do it.
Can you imagine a customer turning up at a Vodafone shop saying: "I would like to move my subscription please. So that I can get my hands on the B52487-B, My current network only supplies the B52487-A."
With iPhone we saw for the first time a mass migration of consumers. I am describing a dramatic change in consumer behaviour, not an innovation by Apple.
C.
Customers have always been *able* to do this. But largely speaking they did not actually do it.
So why make the claim that Apple introduced this, they didn't.
Can you imagine a customer turning up at a Vodafone shop saying: "I would like to move my subscription please. So that I can get my hands on the B52487-B, My current network only supplies the B52487-A."
No, I couldn't image them doing that, as that isn't how I have changed networks in the past. And in the past if I wanted a particular phone, I just purchased that phone and put my SIM in it. And why put the stupid codes in your message? it decreases the validity of your point.
With iPhone we saw for the first time a mass migration of consumers. I am describing a dramatic change in consumer behaviour, not an innovation by Apple.
No, the way you were descibing it was this was an Apple innovation, hence my concern.
Why? Nokia is not Apple, they are selling more than one model of phone and to more than just one set of consumers.
I think it's crystal clear why.
As Gassee says developing and maintaining an OS is difficult and expensive. Squandering effort to develop two rival products is incredibly wasteful.
At the simplest possible level, I think someone might ask. Why not just make one good one, rather than two less good ones?
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At the simplest possible level, I think someone might ask. Why not just make one good one, rather than two less good ones?
Yes you could say that, but you also have to look at the target for the OS
No, the way you were descibing it was this was an Apple innovation, hence my concern.
I would respectfully suggest you read what I actually wrote, rather than what you think I wrote.
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Yes you could say that, but you also have to look at the target for the OS
Why should an OS have a target? The idea is to create a single platform capable of supporting all applications. If the OS is *not* capable of delivering that functionality, then dump it.
I'd agree that a supercomputer needs a slightly different OS than a cellphone.
But developing two different cellphone operating systems within the same company is absurd.
I once worked for a game developer that developed two rival graphic engines. It went bust.
C.
I would respectfully suggest you read what I actually wrote, rather than what you think I wrote.
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It was 101 I replied to. And I stand by what I have said, what you have written, and the way you have written it described the way it has always worked, it is not a new concept that came about with Apple.
Maybe you should go back and re-read what you wrote, as I don't think you understand what you wrote.
Why should an OS have a target?
What is the point of writing an OS, if you have no intention of deploying it on anything?
I'd agree that a supercomputer needs a slightly different OS than a cellphone.
But developing two different cellphone operating systems within the same company is absurd.
yes you are right, but I can't see them getting rid of S40 for a while yet.
Nokia doesn't class Meego as a "cell phone" OS
I once worked for a game developer that developed two rival graphic engines. It went bust.
Maybe you aren't the best person to give advice then?
It was 101 I replied to. And I stand by what I have said, what you have written, and the way you have written it described the way it has always worked, it is not a new concept that came about with Apple.
Maybe you should go back and re-read what you wrote, as I don't think you understand what you wrote.
I think the posts are clear.
With iPhone, the consumer selected the device, and picked whichever carrier that went with it. Even if that meant moving carrier.
It's the choices of consumers that now drives the market. Not the choices forced on consumers by carriers.
I am describing a change in consumer behaviour - triggered by the iPhone. Not some marketing innovation by Apple. Apple's sole innovation was making a better device.
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Nokia doesn't class Meego as a "cell phone" OS
Quite!
Maybe you aren't the best person to give advice then?
My advice to Nokia would be "Compete with rivals. Stop competing with yourself".
But don't worry.
They aren't going to listen.
C.
I think the posts are clear.
You are welcome to your thoughts, but in this case you are wrong.
I am describing a change in consumer behaviour - triggered by the iPhone. Not some marketing innovation by Apple. Apple's sole innovation was making a better device.
Again, this isn't a change in consumer behaviour if consumers were already doing this. Maybe you weren't doing it, but others were.
They aren't going to listen.
Well I could understand why they wouldn't.
Well I could understand why they wouldn't.
Self competition certainly seems to be part-and-parcel of the Nokia corporate ethos.
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Again, this isn't a change
When something goes from "not very much" to "an awful lot", it is often described as a "change".
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Which claim did I make which is false. Please explain?
You snipped it. Here it is:
"Let's see, you made a claim regarding Nokia not making any more Symbian based N series devices. Where is your proof of this claim? I posted something that proves you claim was wrong, but your hatred means you will ignore this. Says alot about you."
With iPhone we saw for the first time a mass migration of consumers. I am describing a dramatic change in consumer behaviour,
C.
Never once have you posted any support for this contention.
You snipped it. Here it is:
"Let's see, you made a claim regarding Nokia not making any more Symbian based N series devices. Where is your proof of this claim? I posted something that proves you claim was wrong, but your hatred means you will ignore this. Says alot about you."
The dropping of Symbian on future N-Series devices was widely reported.
http://www.nokiaphoneblog.com/2010/0...eries-devices/
Sometime later Anssi Vanjoki said there "may be" a Symbian 4 device called N-series. Something I took to be a political statement in case of a backlash.
Today he's left the job.
What is it with all this LIES and HATE - nonsense with you guys?
C.
When something goes from "not very much" to "an awful lot", it is often described as a "change".
C.
Lets see some stats.