Good idea. Replace the CEO of a phone company that is slipping severely, with one from a company whose phones have been failing, and call it a good deal.
competitors need to build more than an iPhone killer, they need to build a complete environment around a smart phone, complete range of music devices, small computer (iPad), tv device, and laptop and get ahead of a curve where apple is already thinking of their next great product years ahead, in addition to upgrading their current products. when all this gets tied together and have a cloud environment added to the mix, it's going to be difficult for a phone company like Nokia to rethink their whole business to compete with a very profitable world-wide consumer product company. Someone had a vision and is profiting greatly, does the new guy at Nokia have one?
I think that you are not qualified to pick a new CEO for Noklia, given that you have never even sat on a single board of directors for a company like Nokia.
You seem to think that the Nokia board is akin to a council or cardinals, using divine inspiration to pick their new leader with a puff of white smoke.
They've demonstrated incompetence unceasingly for the past several years. One is perfectly entitled to posit that they are acting out of desperation, not inspired knowledge as you seem to attribute to them.
Tell you what: If and when you sit on the board of a multi-billion dollar company that sells more product in their category than any other company in the entire world, THEN you will get to choose a new CEO.
Until then, I think I will trust the judgment of those who actually have some credibility in the industry, OK?
I assume your talking about Windows OS?
Sells! Are you sure about that? Long established licensing agreements from many years ago perhaps. Tell me, if the third party hardware makers didn't run windows, what suitable alternative is there in your opinion? OSX is not up for grabs, so what other viable software solution do they have? Where's the choice?
goog needs to start charging for android now that it is so widely used. those other cell phone makers could not get their stuff together to compete against apple without android.
One reason only: To maximize total profits. All of a small amount is often worse than a portion of a large amount. It ain't the proportion that matters; it is the gross amount.
Huh? So you are saying you can maximize profits by paying the Microsoft tax rather than not sending Microsoft all your profits? Wow, guess you failed Economics 101. Windows Phone 7 is dead on arrival. Android is selling like hotcakes. So a small portion(pay MS tax) of a tiny amount (failed windows phone 7) or all of a all (Android = free) of a large amount (Android)?
Correct. It was a necessary premise which went unstated.
It's also pretty obvious that neither are several of the ones who are on Nokia's board now.
It also doesn't matter that I wouldn't be picked for their board, as that's as much as who you know. Their board has been making some pretty bad decisions which is why the business is on the way down.
Nope. I'm talking about people who have never sat on a BOD of a publicly-traded company, but who nevertheless think that they are more qualified to hire a CEO than those who do.
I think what's happening to Nokia today, should go someway to convincing those who feel Apple are betraying its loyal customers by moving away from computers, which of course they are not, and that Apple were right. (i think i typed that wrong but you catch my drift).
Nokia should take a leaf out of the Apple book and start diversifying. Take stock of its phone business. Accept it's inevitable they will lose more market share in its phone business and start looking for that "next big thing".
Although i don't think its as simple as that. Take iPod Touch with games. It was marketed as an iPod, which it is of course. But Apple were really smart enough to recognise the trend towards gaming and responded quickly. I'm not sure Nokia have these type of people in their business.
Certainly if MS are serious about mobile success, then they've made a huge error already by letting this guy go to Nokia. Either that or they didn't rate him in the first place.
Good idea. Replace the CEO of a phone company that is slipping severely, with one from a company whose phones have been failing, and call it a good deal.
Hello, Nokia! Apple! Should have hired an APPLE executive!
Nokia should take a leaf out of the Apple book and start diversifying.
Nokia Corporation (Nokia) is engaged in the manufacturing of mobile devices and in converging Internet and communications industries. It has three segments: Devices & Services, NAVTEQ, and Nokia Siemens Networks. Devices & Services is responsible for developing and managing its portfolio of mobile devices, as well as designing and developing services, including applications and content. NAVTEQ is a provider of digital map information and related location-based content and services for automotive navigation systems and Internet-based mapping applications. Nokia Siemens Networks provides mobile and fixed network infrastructure, communications and networks service platforms, as well as professional services, to operators and service providers. In September 2009, it acquired Plum Ventures, Inc. In October 2009, Nokia sold its Symbian Professional Services. In December 2009, Giesecke & Devrient acquired Venyon Oy. In April 2010, it acquired Novarra, Inc. and MetaCarta Inc.
Nope. I'm talking about people who have never sat on a BOD of a publicly-traded company, but who nevertheless think that they are more qualified to hire a CEO than those who do.
Nokia's management have done nothing to counter iPhone.
In the last 4 years they have.
Covered their ears and eyes and said everything is fine. We are number 1!
Kept announcing the next product before it is ready - proclaiming it will be an iPhone killer.
Kept releasing dreadful product.
Kept releasing statements which said stuff like "We are getting this situation under control.
Continued to create a confusing product portfolio - and a muddled technology strategy.
Taken the World Number 1 cellphone manufacturer, and taken it to the brink of loss-making.
In 2011 Nokia will make a loss.
But of course, we mortals are not allowed to criticise their godlike abilities. How dare we judge them by outcome?
Nope. I'm talking about people who have never sat on a BOD of a publicly-traded company, but who nevertheless think that they are more qualified to hire a CEO than those who do.
Hate to tell this to you, but there are many members of Board of Directors in publicly traded companies who are not qualified to hire even a dogcatcher much less the CEO to lead a tech company and who are there because a) They bought their way in through investments b) Political protection, case in point , Al Gore of Apple's BoD c) Unions ( leadership, not rank and file) d) Nepotism e) Through political activism. Sad but true.
Honestly between you and melgross, he have a much better chance in being a member of another company's BoD especially if he shown excellent business savvy running his companies.
And now the moment you've all been waiting for! Envelope please.... Ladies and gentlemen, the award for 'Accepting a CEO position at the worst possible time in history' goes to Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo (Nokia: 2006-2010)!
Nope. I'm talking about people who have never sat on a BOD of a publicly-traded company, but who nevertheless think that they are more qualified to hire a CEO than those who do.
Man, what a broken record. Do you really have any opinion to bring to the forum or can you only repeat that stupid sentence over and over and over???
It's obvious Nokia trying to save the sinking ship and thinks the Microsoft guy can pull a Steve Jobs-like turnaround, which is unlikely as the Microsoft guy has never done anything like this.
You don't seem to have any proof that he can turn things around or that the current board of directors is making a smart decision.
Nokia Corporation (Nokia) is engaged in the manufacturing of mobile devices and in converging Internet and communications industries. It has three segments:
Devices & Services,
NAVTEQ, and
Nokia Siemens Networks.
NAVTEQ represents only 2% of Nokia's business.
So we have a company that makes phones, and phone network masts etc..
That's not diversified.
Nokia's business model was predicated on shifting large volumes of product to stable customers, who were large network operators - carriers and distributors.
Apple's disruption of the market caused a dramatic shift, taking power away from carriers, and moving it towards consumers. I don't think Nokia ever figured this out.
Comments
That includes upgrades, apple claim is they are new activations only.
That is not the point. The point I responded to is that Android does not quote hard numbers. The point I responded to does not match reality.
Good idea. Replace the CEO of a phone company that is slipping severely, with one from a company whose phones have been failing, and call it a good deal.
Ha, precisely.
I think that you are not qualified to pick a new CEO for Noklia, given that you have never even sat on a single board of directors for a company like Nokia.
You seem to think that the Nokia board is akin to a council or cardinals, using divine inspiration to pick their new leader with a puff of white smoke.
They've demonstrated incompetence unceasingly for the past several years. One is perfectly entitled to posit that they are acting out of desperation, not inspired knowledge as you seem to attribute to them.
Does Google get a fee for Android?
Melgross or anyone else...
Does Google get a fee for Android?
No, Android is given away to whomever wants it. Strictly speaking, Android is a loss leader for Google to support their other ventures.
Tell you what: If and when you sit on the board of a multi-billion dollar company that sells more product in their category than any other company in the entire world, THEN you will get to choose a new CEO.
Until then, I think I will trust the judgment of those who actually have some credibility in the industry, OK?
I assume your talking about Windows OS?
Sells! Are you sure about that? Long established licensing agreements from many years ago perhaps. Tell me, if the third party hardware makers didn't run windows, what suitable alternative is there in your opinion? OSX is not up for grabs, so what other viable software solution do they have? Where's the choice?
One reason only: To maximize total profits. All of a small amount is often worse than a portion of a large amount. It ain't the proportion that matters; it is the gross amount.
Huh? So you are saying you can maximize profits by paying the Microsoft tax rather than not sending Microsoft all your profits? Wow, guess you failed Economics 101. Windows Phone 7 is dead on arrival. Android is selling like hotcakes. So a small portion(pay MS tax) of a tiny amount (failed windows phone 7) or all of a all (Android = free) of a large amount (Android)?
Correct. It was a necessary premise which went unstated.
It's also pretty obvious that neither are several of the ones who are on Nokia's board now.
It also doesn't matter that I wouldn't be picked for their board, as that's as much as who you know. Their board has been making some pretty bad decisions which is why the business is on the way down.
I assume your talking about Windows OS?
Nope. I'm talking about people who have never sat on a BOD of a publicly-traded company, but who nevertheless think that they are more qualified to hire a CEO than those who do.
Huh? So you are saying you can maximize profits by paying the Microsoft tax rather than not sending Microsoft all your profits?
That one factor is not sufficient to make any sort of determination about the bottom line.
That is what I am saying.
Nokia should take a leaf out of the Apple book and start diversifying. Take stock of its phone business. Accept it's inevitable they will lose more market share in its phone business and start looking for that "next big thing".
Although i don't think its as simple as that. Take iPod Touch with games. It was marketed as an iPod, which it is of course. But Apple were really smart enough to recognise the trend towards gaming and responded quickly. I'm not sure Nokia have these type of people in their business.
Certainly if MS are serious about mobile success, then they've made a huge error already by letting this guy go to Nokia. Either that or they didn't rate him in the first place.
Good idea. Replace the CEO of a phone company that is slipping severely, with one from a company whose phones have been failing, and call it a good deal.
Hello, Nokia! Apple! Should have hired an APPLE executive!
Nokia should take a leaf out of the Apple book and start diversifying.
Nokia Corporation (Nokia) is engaged in the manufacturing of mobile devices and in converging Internet and communications industries. It has three segments: Devices & Services, NAVTEQ, and Nokia Siemens Networks. Devices & Services is responsible for developing and managing its portfolio of mobile devices, as well as designing and developing services, including applications and content. NAVTEQ is a provider of digital map information and related location-based content and services for automotive navigation systems and Internet-based mapping applications. Nokia Siemens Networks provides mobile and fixed network infrastructure, communications and networks service platforms, as well as professional services, to operators and service providers. In September 2009, it acquired Plum Ventures, Inc. In October 2009, Nokia sold its Symbian Professional Services. In December 2009, Giesecke & Devrient acquired Venyon Oy. In April 2010, it acquired Novarra, Inc. and MetaCarta Inc.
Nope. I'm talking about people who have never sat on a BOD of a publicly-traded company, but who nevertheless think that they are more qualified to hire a CEO than those who do.
Nokia's management have done nothing to counter iPhone.
In the last 4 years they have.
- Covered their ears and eyes and said everything is fine. We are number 1!
- Kept announcing the next product before it is ready - proclaiming it will be an iPhone killer.
- Kept releasing dreadful product.
- Kept releasing statements which said stuff like "We are getting this situation under control.
- Continued to create a confusing product portfolio - and a muddled technology strategy.
- Taken the World Number 1 cellphone manufacturer, and taken it to the brink of loss-making.
- In 2011 Nokia will make a loss.
But of course, we mortals are not allowed to criticise their godlike abilities. How dare we judge them by outcome?C.
Nope. I'm talking about people who have never sat on a BOD of a publicly-traded company, but who nevertheless think that they are more qualified to hire a CEO than those who do.
Hate to tell this to you, but there are many members of Board of Directors in publicly traded companies who are not qualified to hire even a dogcatcher much less the CEO to lead a tech company and who are there because a) They bought their way in through investments b) Political protection, case in point , Al Gore of Apple's BoD c) Unions ( leadership, not rank and file) d) Nepotism e) Through political activism. Sad but true.
Honestly between you and melgross, he have a much better chance in being a member of another company's BoD especially if he shown excellent business savvy running his companies.
Nope. I'm talking about people who have never sat on a BOD of a publicly-traded company, but who nevertheless think that they are more qualified to hire a CEO than those who do.
Man, what a broken record. Do you really have any opinion to bring to the forum or can you only repeat that stupid sentence over and over and over???
It's obvious Nokia trying to save the sinking ship and thinks the Microsoft guy can pull a Steve Jobs-like turnaround, which is unlikely as the Microsoft guy has never done anything like this.
You don't seem to have any proof that he can turn things around or that the current board of directors is making a smart decision.
Nokia Corporation (Nokia) is engaged in the manufacturing of mobile devices and in converging Internet and communications industries. It has three segments:
Devices & Services,
NAVTEQ, and
Nokia Siemens Networks.
NAVTEQ represents only 2% of Nokia's business.
So we have a company that makes phones, and phone network masts etc..
That's not diversified.
Nokia's business model was predicated on shifting large volumes of product to stable customers, who were large network operators - carriers and distributors.
Apple's disruption of the market caused a dramatic shift, taking power away from carriers, and moving it towards consumers. I don't think Nokia ever figured this out.
C.