You claimed that you have owned businesses before, do you really think a corporation would sack a exec and leave them working in their position? No they wouldn't.
Let's use an example, is Papermaster serving out his term at Apple?
Companies don't always "sack" an exec. They come to agreements. If he announced he was leaving, it's doubtful they would keep him for another six months either. Agreements at this level are complex. Unless he's done something dreadful, they could very well have employment agreements with him for six months. You are too simplistic in your thinking here.
What's the source for that? The general consensus is that the fee is $15. It was certainly $15 for Windows Mobile 6.5.
They're saying there that MS WANTS $15 for WP7, but that's not what the average licensing price for Win Mobile was. It was much less, though the highest priced phone may have risen to that level. Perhaps they think WP7 is worth more if they're asking a flat $15.
Huh?! The total global sales of smartphones is in the range of 50 million currently.
Where do you get your estimate of 100 million? I'd wager that's wide off the mark.
Well considering Nokia sold 24 million, and the whole market was 61.7 million for Q2 2010, I don't think his number is that far off Nokia doing 100 million for a year.
In many cases employees are asked to resign or hinted that if they don't resign they will be fired. The majority choose to resign. Given the timing and the CEO firing I would say he was asked to resign.
Huh?! The total global sales of smartphones is in the range of 50 million currently.
Where do you get your estimate of 100 million? I'd wager that's wide off the mark.
100 million is actually very low. For this year it is going to be more than double that amount.
According to gartner in 2008 139.3 million smartphones were sold.
The first quarter of this year businessweek reported that 54.5 million smartphones were sold. The numbers for the last two quarters are going to be much larger because of the holiday shopping season and plus would include sales of the latest iPhone, motorola droid and latest blackberry.
They may still be the volume leader worldwide for 'phones' but what they are trying to sell on the high end IS JUNK! They've tried everything they know to make Symbian a player - they failed. Is what they are about to try on the N8 rational?? Who knows but is hiring a microshaft guy to be ceo is a guaranteed winner for Apple.
It will probably take Nokia at least two years to get back to 'even'....
Prediction, all the position will be filled with people who are somehow related to Microsoft and then in the next 12 to 18 months you will see all their smart phones having Microsoft Mobile 7 on them.
Not going to happen with Microsoft's current licensing scheme. Nokia is selling around 100 million smartphones a year and that number is increasing at 40%+ YoY. At $15 per license, using Windows Phone 7 would cost Nokia at least $1.5 billion a year.
I'd wager that $1.5 billion is significantly above what Symbian and MeeGo cost to produce.
Penny wise, pound foolish. The mobile age is all about smartphone apps. Microsoft is spending tens of millions of dollars to encourage developers to develop apps for its platform. To my knowledge, no such effort is being made with Symbian and Meego, and neither platform is known for their app system, despite the amount of time each platform has had to gain such a reputation. Also, as Nokia's profits are dropping, they're developing two mobile OSes. A split personality in such a competitive climate is troubling.
I'm sure that Microsoft would be willing to offer letting Nokia assist them in WinPhone7 development. After all, Nokia has experience in mobile OS development.
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Yes that or they will switch to Android and become the largest Android distributor. Reduce OS development costs. Avoid OS licensing costs. Android's market share would skyrocket. Google would get a nice boost in profits. Schmidt might get more arrogant lol.
<you will see all their smart phones having Microsoft Mobile 7 on them.>
and then oracle will charge out of the woods and give google and android a kneecapping.
I don't see Nokia embracing Android for that reason. Nokia has long been afraid to put OGG support on their phones, because they don't want to risk getting a patent infringement lawsuit. No lawsuits have even been files on the OGG front. There is a tangible lawsuit with Oracle and Google.
On top of this, WP7 has tangibly better enterprise support than Android. Businesses trust Nokia and Microsoft separately, so why wouldn't they trust them together?
I hadn't thought of the idea of Microsoft wooing Nokia to WP7. They should try it.
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I was at a mobile developer conf recently. The rumor there was that Microsoft had actually paid some manufacturers to take Windows Mobile.
It was just scurrilous gossip, but I thought it was quite good scurrilous gossip.
There's precedent in business. In the first few years of Fox News Channel's existence, Rupert Murdoch paid cable companies to carry it (needless to say, he doesn't now). Radio syndicators sometimes offer the first year of a radio show for free.
They may still be the volume leader worldwide for 'phones' but what they are trying to sell on the high end IS JUNK! They've tried everything they know to make Symbian a player - they failed.
Every year, since forever, Nolia sells more smartphones than the all the iPhones and all the Android phones combined.
I don't know, the design of the Pre was pretty much a failure. Cracked screens. Light around the edges. Poor sliding mech for the keyboard. sharp edge around the keyboard, and the top keys were too close to the body of the phone. Poor battery life.
Every year, since forever, Nolia sells more smartphones than the all the iPhones and all the Android phones combined.
Just a fact. Make of it what you will.
What you say undisputed.
The real issue is that despite these astronomical unit sales, Nokia are barely breaking a profit. And the prospect of them going into loss seems very real.
This is at a time when their sales continue to grow.
The combination of massive sales alongside meagre profits means that something is seriously wrong. This is why Nokia' management have been so widely criticised.
I don't know, the design of the Pre was pretty much a failure. Cracked screens. Light around the edges. Poor sliding mech for the keyboard. sharp edge around the keyboard, and the top keys were too close to the body of the phone. Poor battery life.
Did I miss anything? It's all I can remember.
I have seen both good and bad Palm Hardware.
But I think there was some real attention to detail in Palm's user experience (in their software). They worked hard to minimize clicks and organize things around the user. I always get the impression that Nokia menus were done by the engineers.
The real issue is that despite these astronomical unit sales, Nokia are barely breaking a profit. And the prospect of them going into loss seems very real.
This is at a time when their sales continue to grow.
The combination of massive sales alongside meagre profits means that something is seriously wrong. This is why Nokia' management have been so widely criticised.
C.
The only meaningful numbers are that of smartphones, and there, both iOS and Android phones together, are outselling Nokia's phones,
I think that Nokia, in its announcement, made simple arithmetic errors.
They must have added wrongly. Android phone activations are 200,000 a day. iOS activations are 230,000 a day. Out of those, estimates are that about 150,000 at least, are iPhones. So let's use that. Nokia states 260,000 a day.
So Nokia must have added those two numbers together like this:
200,000 - 150,000 = 50,000.
"Hey, we sell more smartphones a day than Android and iOS phones together! Let's announce that!"
But I think there was some real attention to detail in Palm's user experience (in their software). They worked hard to minimize clicks and organize things around the user. I always get the impression that Nokia menus were done by the engineers.
C.
They were talking about the Pre, specifically.
I still have my old Palm Treo 700p. It was a solid phone, though as all pre iPhones, with a plastic screen that scratches VERY easily, and needs a protector. and I really mean NEED.
But palm has a rep of having flimsy phones, and I know a lot of people who had problems with theirs, and the early PDa's before that, as I did.
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You claimed that you have owned businesses before, do you really think a corporation would sack a exec and leave them working in their position? No they wouldn't.
Let's use an example, is Papermaster serving out his term at Apple?
Companies don't always "sack" an exec. They come to agreements. If he announced he was leaving, it's doubtful they would keep him for another six months either. Agreements at this level are complex. Unless he's done something dreadful, they could very well have employment agreements with him for six months. You are too simplistic in your thinking here.
What's the source for that? The general consensus is that the fee is $15. It was certainly $15 for Windows Mobile 6.5.
They're saying there that MS WANTS $15 for WP7, but that's not what the average licensing price for Win Mobile was. It was much less, though the highest priced phone may have risen to that level. Perhaps they think WP7 is worth more if they're asking a flat $15.
Huh?! The total global sales of smartphones is in the range of 50 million currently.
Where do you get your estimate of 100 million? I'd wager that's wide off the mark.
OK. I'd lose my own wager: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...hits_259m.html
Oh well....
Huh?! The total global sales of smartphones is in the range of 50 million currently.
Where do you get your estimate of 100 million? I'd wager that's wide off the mark.
Well considering Nokia sold 24 million, and the whole market was 61.7 million for Q2 2010, I don't think his number is that far off Nokia doing 100 million for a year.
You are too simplistic in your thinking here.
No I'm not. You guys are over thinking this situation. The new guy hasn't even started and already this site has him sacking everyone.
In many cases employees are asked to resign or hinted that if they don't resign they will be fired. The majority choose to resign. Given the timing and the CEO firing I would say he was asked to resign.
That was my guess.
Huh?! The total global sales of smartphones is in the range of 50 million currently.
Where do you get your estimate of 100 million? I'd wager that's wide off the mark.
100 million is actually very low. For this year it is going to be more than double that amount.
According to gartner in 2008 139.3 million smartphones were sold.
The first quarter of this year businessweek reported that 54.5 million smartphones were sold. The numbers for the last two quarters are going to be much larger because of the holiday shopping season and plus would include sales of the latest iPhone, motorola droid and latest blackberry.
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=910112
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-update1-.html
It will probably take Nokia at least two years to get back to 'even'....
Prediction, all the position will be filled with people who are somehow related to Microsoft and then in the next 12 to 18 months you will see all their smart phones having Microsoft Mobile 7 on them.
Not going to happen with Microsoft's current licensing scheme. Nokia is selling around 100 million smartphones a year and that number is increasing at 40%+ YoY. At $15 per license, using Windows Phone 7 would cost Nokia at least $1.5 billion a year.
I'd wager that $1.5 billion is significantly above what Symbian and MeeGo cost to produce.
Penny wise, pound foolish. The mobile age is all about smartphone apps. Microsoft is spending tens of millions of dollars to encourage developers to develop apps for its platform. To my knowledge, no such effort is being made with Symbian and Meego, and neither platform is known for their app system, despite the amount of time each platform has had to gain such a reputation. Also, as Nokia's profits are dropping, they're developing two mobile OSes. A split personality in such a competitive climate is troubling.
I'm sure that Microsoft would be willing to offer letting Nokia assist them in WinPhone7 development. After all, Nokia has experience in mobile OS development.
Yes that or they will switch to Android and become the largest Android distributor. Reduce OS development costs. Avoid OS licensing costs. Android's market share would skyrocket. Google would get a nice boost in profits. Schmidt might get more arrogant lol.
@appdev
<you will see all their smart phones having Microsoft Mobile 7 on them.>
and then oracle will charge out of the woods and give google and android a kneecapping.
I don't see Nokia embracing Android for that reason. Nokia has long been afraid to put OGG support on their phones, because they don't want to risk getting a patent infringement lawsuit. No lawsuits have even been files on the OGG front. There is a tangible lawsuit with Oracle and Google.
On top of this, WP7 has tangibly better enterprise support than Android. Businesses trust Nokia and Microsoft separately, so why wouldn't they trust them together?
I hadn't thought of the idea of Microsoft wooing Nokia to WP7. They should try it.
I was at a mobile developer conf recently. The rumor there was that Microsoft had actually paid some manufacturers to take Windows Mobile.
It was just scurrilous gossip, but I thought it was quite good scurrilous gossip.
There's precedent in business. In the first few years of Fox News Channel's existence, Rupert Murdoch paid cable companies to carry it (needless to say, he doesn't now). Radio syndicators sometimes offer the first year of a radio show for free.
C.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/14/nokia-hires-peter-skillman-former-palm-design-vp-as-meego-user/
C.
They may still be the volume leader worldwide for 'phones' but what they are trying to sell on the high end IS JUNK! They've tried everything they know to make Symbian a player - they failed.
Every year, since forever, Nolia sells more smartphones than the all the iPhones and all the Android phones combined.
Just a fact. Make of it what you will.
This is genuinely positive development for Nokia.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/14/nokia-hires-peter-skillman-former-palm-design-vp-as-meego-user/
C.
I don't know, the design of the Pre was pretty much a failure. Cracked screens. Light around the edges. Poor sliding mech for the keyboard. sharp edge around the keyboard, and the top keys were too close to the body of the phone. Poor battery life.
Did I miss anything? It's all I can remember.
Every year, since forever, Nolia sells more smartphones than the all the iPhones and all the Android phones combined.
Just a fact. Make of it what you will.
It's not a fact. In fact, it's wrong.
Every year, since forever, Nolia sells more smartphones than the all the iPhones and all the Android phones combined.
Just a fact. Make of it what you will.
What you say undisputed.
The real issue is that despite these astronomical unit sales, Nokia are barely breaking a profit. And the prospect of them going into loss seems very real.
This is at a time when their sales continue to grow.
The combination of massive sales alongside meagre profits means that something is seriously wrong. This is why Nokia' management have been so widely criticised.
C.
It's not a fact. In fact, it's wrong.
I think that depends on the definition of smartphone.
C.
I don't know, the design of the Pre was pretty much a failure. Cracked screens. Light around the edges. Poor sliding mech for the keyboard. sharp edge around the keyboard, and the top keys were too close to the body of the phone. Poor battery life.
Did I miss anything? It's all I can remember.
I have seen both good and bad Palm Hardware.
But I think there was some real attention to detail in Palm's user experience (in their software). They worked hard to minimize clicks and organize things around the user. I always get the impression that Nokia menus were done by the engineers.
C.
What you say undisputed.
The real issue is that despite these astronomical unit sales, Nokia are barely breaking a profit. And the prospect of them going into loss seems very real.
This is at a time when their sales continue to grow.
The combination of massive sales alongside meagre profits means that something is seriously wrong. This is why Nokia' management have been so widely criticised.
C.
The only meaningful numbers are that of smartphones, and there, both iOS and Android phones together, are outselling Nokia's phones,
I think that Nokia, in its announcement, made simple arithmetic errors.
They must have added wrongly. Android phone activations are 200,000 a day. iOS activations are 230,000 a day. Out of those, estimates are that about 150,000 at least, are iPhones. So let's use that. Nokia states 260,000 a day.
So Nokia must have added those two numbers together like this:
200,000 - 150,000 = 50,000.
"Hey, we sell more smartphones a day than Android and iOS phones together! Let's announce that!"
I have seen both good and bad Palm Hardware.
But I think there was some real attention to detail in Palm's user experience (in their software). They worked hard to minimize clicks and organize things around the user. I always get the impression that Nokia menus were done by the engineers.
C.
They were talking about the Pre, specifically.
I still have my old Palm Treo 700p. It was a solid phone, though as all pre iPhones, with a plastic screen that scratches VERY easily, and needs a protector. and I really mean NEED.
But palm has a rep of having flimsy phones, and I know a lot of people who had problems with theirs, and the early PDa's before that, as I did.
The only meaningful numbers are that of smartphones, and there, both iOS and Android phones are outselling Nokia's phones,
I think that Nokia, in its announcement, made simple arithmetic errors.
I get the impression that Nokia like to count its email capable feature phones as smart phones when it suits them.
I'd certainly like to see how they arrived at those numbers.
C.