Archos makes truly great products. But they have no ecosystem at all, making other choices more attractive.
And they nickel and dime you for codecs. That's better than Apple's method of simply denying users the codecs they desire, but nevertheless I find it distasteful.
Hmm I guess I must have been hallucinating that xvid movie I watched on my iPad last night (CineXPlayer and OplayerHD apps in case anyone's wondering).
Despite Apple being very slim on listing specs, they do list a good cross section of battery times and use the medium average of those times, not the minimum like other vendors.
The best I can find on this VeiwSonic tablet is a flat 10 hours. is that audio, video, web surfing, what?
Don't you know? All these Android tablets are thinner, cheaper, faster, brighter, more flexible and better than the iPad. Who needs to look up specs?
...until the 3GS, which I use daily. Even though it has been bested by many other phones, I still use it, and will continue to do so until the category becomes more mature.
By next spring, I expect to have many, many compelling choices of phones. I may decide to get another iPhone, but at this point, with the iPhone falling behind so quickly, it seems unlikely.
I'm not sure what to say. You seem to be a captive of your desires to move away from Apple but you don't want to take the jump to Android because "the category is not mature enough". I understand though if you do want to change but do not have the budget or do not feel the timing is appropriate.
But seeing that you are in support of anything and everything Android, which exact phones or tablets would you recommend for someone this holiday season? Serious question here.
An Apple "fanboy" simply has one or two models to recommend. In the Android world, which model exactly is better than iPhone and iPad? That would be useful information rather than generalisations, I think.
That the carrier limitation does not apply to iPad. Thus the limitation here on wider distribution in the US is CDMA, or the fact that the iPad doesn't run on CDMA.
I am actually not in the US so from a global perspective I would rather Apple launch iPad and iPhone4 beyond the few launch countries, devoting their resources to that, rather than divert resources to CDMA. At the same time though I know if I were in the US, the ATT exclusivity would be frustrating, but globally they are not immensely relevant to Apple.
What are the thoughts on Samsung Galaxy? Curious. I played with one a few months ago, not sure what Touchwiz is or does.
The article says, "With that said, TouchWiz 3.0 puts a clean, fast, and versatile face on Android with plenty of exclusive features" but I didn't feel that... I do wonder what I am missing about Android. I may want to develop apps for iOS but an Android app development project is not too far fetched if I want to cover both markets, though of course there are many considerations business-wise in terms of profitability, etc. of each market.
I may want to develop apps for iOS but an Android app development project is not too far fetched if I want to cover both markets, though of course there are many considerations business-wise in terms of profitability, etc. of each market.
If you're normally a java dev Android is a lot faster to get up to speed on. But I think that iOS would be more fun in the long run. Unless you like doing pseudo-swing UIs in XML...meh.
Been considering mono but haven't gotten into the monodroid beta. I personally like C# and with Apple's new rules it means I can target all three major mobile platforms with a single core. The downside is Novell...I don't have much confidence they'll still be around in a year.
When the iPad was released it was called a larger iPod touch. Now the same people are try to look the other way
Which specific people are you talking about? Or is it just some sort of collective "the same people" even though they are, in reality, different people?
And even if the reality were that they are the same people, what does that have to do with the Galaxy itself?
Or are you just riffing on the "us against everyone else" meme?
I was really looking forward to the Samsung Tablet after buying the Vibrant. I'll have to see it to make a decision, but at the moment it looks like it's not going to replace my iPad.
1. Apple got the dimensions right. 7" is too small.
2. It's got proprietary jacks like the iPad. No standard mini USB
3. It doesn't have the fantastic SAMOLED screen. I guess the price would have been prohibitive.
4. It may not run beyond Gingerbread according to a Samsung exec at the inauguration launch.
5. The European cost is insane! And it will be a code day in hell before I sign up for yet another data plan. If the wifi only model is not around $300, it will be too pricey. Adding a useless rear camera isn't helping the price.
They did get a couple of things right. The weight. The iPad is simply too heavy. And it's got Android.
Looks like some valid criticisms. But I still think it will appeal to a lot of people who object to proprietary lock-down and arbitrary limitations. And to lots of people with other needs and desires.
A 7 " Galaxy will have ZERO - ZERO impact on a 9.7 in iPad - NONE. Consumer purchasers will look once at the 7 inch screen and laugh all the way past the check out counter with their iPads... Absolute waste of money.. - same fate as Mircoshaft 'Kin"...
Samsung needs your extensive market knowledge! They know nothing bout how to sell electronics.
CONCLUSION: The higher the number the "thinner" it is. Why? Because the higher number means it has more surface per unit of thickness. Would you say the iPhone is fat? I wouldn't... The "fatness" of a gadget can be very subjective as numbers don't tell the whole story. Your best bet is to wait until it is out and actually feel it in your hands before saying anything is "fat" or "thin."
No, you don't understand. Apple makes all devices with perfect dimensions. No pejorative adjective can describe an Apple product.
Now since this tread is about the comparison between two tablets, and not between tablets and phones, we should stick to that, unless you want to bring TV's and home stereo and maybe dish washers in to the equation as well.
None of those other things are handheld devices. Nice try.
But the fact is, by the Fanboi metric, the iP4 is positviely obese. But by the reality metric, the Samsung is thinner than the iPad.
Hope you have $1,000 burning a hole in your pocket...
Nope. For that money, I could get a hot shit Dell laptop with a 1080p screen and BluRay and eSATA and HDMI and USB3.
Or I could get 4 Dell Mini 10 netbooks. It would be great to have a couple in the living room, with the other two floating around the house.
Or I could get a Samsung TV and Blu-Ray player for the bedroom. With enough left over for a couple of dozen movies.
Naw, these little tablets are cool, but they are very limited and expensive now. I'm rarely and early adopter. I'll wait until they are cheap and capable. The iPad holds no interest for me, and by this time next year, I bet that there will be great tablet choices available.
I've wanted a tablet for years. But they ain't nothing yet. Limited storage, inability to output HD, in one notable case, the wrong aspect ratio: I'll wait.
I've got Newtron on ignore, so i don't know or care what he's going on about, but 11 posts in a row strikes me as an attempt to swamp the thread. Mods?
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Archos makes truly great products. But they have no ecosystem at all, making other choices more attractive.
And they nickel and dime you for codecs. That's better than Apple's method of simply denying users the codecs they desire, but nevertheless I find it distasteful.
Hmm I guess I must have been hallucinating that xvid movie I watched on my iPad last night (CineXPlayer and OplayerHD apps in case anyone's wondering).
"One carrier" thing is Apple's Achilles heel.
Except the iPad is fully unlocked.
Despite Apple being very slim on listing specs, they do list a good cross section of battery times and use the medium average of those times, not the minimum like other vendors.
The best I can find on this VeiwSonic tablet is a flat 10 hours. is that audio, video, web surfing, what?
Don't you know? All these Android tablets are thinner, cheaper, faster, brighter, more flexible and better than the iPad. Who needs to look up specs?
That is not the attribute under discussion. It is a different topic entirely.
The claim was with regard to thickness, and not proportions.
No, it started off by someone saying the Samsung looked "fat". So rationally one could say it is thinner in absolute terms but proportionately fatter.
...until the 3GS, which I use daily. Even though it has been bested by many other phones, I still use it, and will continue to do so until the category becomes more mature.
By next spring, I expect to have many, many compelling choices of phones. I may decide to get another iPhone, but at this point, with the iPhone falling behind so quickly, it seems unlikely.
I'm not sure what to say. You seem to be a captive of your desires to move away from Apple but you don't want to take the jump to Android because "the category is not mature enough". I understand though if you do want to change but do not have the budget or do not feel the timing is appropriate.
But seeing that you are in support of anything and everything Android, which exact phones or tablets would you recommend for someone this holiday season? Serious question here.
An Apple "fanboy" simply has one or two models to recommend. In the Android world, which model exactly is better than iPhone and iPad? That would be useful information rather than generalisations, I think.
Except the iPad is fully unlocked.
What's your point?
What's your point?
That the carrier limitation does not apply to iPad. Thus the limitation here on wider distribution in the US is CDMA, or the fact that the iPad doesn't run on CDMA.
I am actually not in the US so from a global perspective I would rather Apple launch iPad and iPhone4 beyond the few launch countries, devoting their resources to that, rather than divert resources to CDMA. At the same time though I know if I were in the US, the ATT exclusivity would be frustrating, but globally they are not immensely relevant to Apple.
Samsung Galaxy S' not-so-secret weapon: TouchWiz 3.0
http://www.betanews.com/article/Sams...-30/1279815075
The Tab also uses Touchwiz 3.0
What are the thoughts on Samsung Galaxy? Curious. I played with one a few months ago, not sure what Touchwiz is or does.
The article says, "With that said, TouchWiz 3.0 puts a clean, fast, and versatile face on Android with plenty of exclusive features" but I didn't feel that... I do wonder what I am missing about Android. I may want to develop apps for iOS but an Android app development project is not too far fetched if I want to cover both markets, though of course there are many considerations business-wise in terms of profitability, etc. of each market.
I may want to develop apps for iOS but an Android app development project is not too far fetched if I want to cover both markets, though of course there are many considerations business-wise in terms of profitability, etc. of each market.
If you're normally a java dev Android is a lot faster to get up to speed on. But I think that iOS would be more fun in the long run. Unless you like doing pseudo-swing UIs in XML...meh.
Been considering mono but haven't gotten into the monodroid beta. I personally like C# and with Apple's new rules it means I can target all three major mobile platforms with a single core. The downside is Novell...I don't have much confidence they'll still be around in a year.
I can't really see why anyone would get the Tab over the iPad unless a camera was a necessity.
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It plays Flash videos.
When the iPad was released it was called a larger iPod touch. Now the same people are try to look the other way
Which specific people are you talking about? Or is it just some sort of collective "the same people" even though they are, in reality, different people?
And even if the reality were that they are the same people, what does that have to do with the Galaxy itself?
Or are you just riffing on the "us against everyone else" meme?
I was really looking forward to the Samsung Tablet after buying the Vibrant. I'll have to see it to make a decision, but at the moment it looks like it's not going to replace my iPad.
1. Apple got the dimensions right. 7" is too small.
2. It's got proprietary jacks like the iPad. No standard mini USB
3. It doesn't have the fantastic SAMOLED screen. I guess the price would have been prohibitive.
4. It may not run beyond Gingerbread according to a Samsung exec at the inauguration launch.
5. The European cost is insane! And it will be a code day in hell before I sign up for yet another data plan. If the wifi only model is not around $300, it will be too pricey. Adding a useless rear camera isn't helping the price.
They did get a couple of things right. The weight. The iPad is simply too heavy. And it's got Android.
Looks like some valid criticisms. But I still think it will appeal to a lot of people who object to proprietary lock-down and arbitrary limitations. And to lots of people with other needs and desires.
Despite all the nonsense in this thread, this is the important metric when discussing the thinness of a device.
By your metric, the iPhone 4 is a porker.
A 7 " Galaxy will have ZERO - ZERO impact on a 9.7 in iPad - NONE. Consumer purchasers will look once at the 7 inch screen and laugh all the way past the check out counter with their iPads... Absolute waste of money.. - same fate as Mircoshaft 'Kin"...
Samsung needs your extensive market knowledge! They know nothing bout how to sell electronics.
Please send them your resume. Quick!!!
CONCLUSION: The higher the number the "thinner" it is. Why? Because the higher number means it has more surface per unit of thickness. Would you say the iPhone is fat? I wouldn't... The "fatness" of a gadget can be very subjective as numbers don't tell the whole story. Your best bet is to wait until it is out and actually feel it in your hands before saying anything is "fat" or "thin."
No, you don't understand. Apple makes all devices with perfect dimensions. No pejorative adjective can describe an Apple product.
So the Samsung is fat, while the iP4 is perfect.
This is no way true on an iPod Touch-size display (or any mobile phone)-- there's no magic!
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Sorry hater, but my iPhone is magic. I push the button and it farts. That is magic.
Now since this tread is about the comparison between two tablets, and not between tablets and phones, we should stick to that, unless you want to bring TV's and home stereo and maybe dish washers in to the equation as well.
None of those other things are handheld devices. Nice try.
But the fact is, by the Fanboi metric, the iP4 is positviely obese. But by the reality metric, the Samsung is thinner than the iPad.
It shows the skies and all the stars, planets, etc., optionally filtered as how visible (to the human eye).
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How visible are stars when one is staring at a backlit display? Does it restrict itself to red? Or does it ruin your night vision?
Please... Just Stop It Already, given that you seem to lack the ability to even quote the correct words used in my post - GEEZ!
But he nevertheless warps definitions.
Hope you have $1,000 burning a hole in your pocket...
Nope. For that money, I could get a hot shit Dell laptop with a 1080p screen and BluRay and eSATA and HDMI and USB3.
Or I could get 4 Dell Mini 10 netbooks. It would be great to have a couple in the living room, with the other two floating around the house.
Or I could get a Samsung TV and Blu-Ray player for the bedroom. With enough left over for a couple of dozen movies.
Naw, these little tablets are cool, but they are very limited and expensive now. I'm rarely and early adopter. I'll wait until they are cheap and capable. The iPad holds no interest for me, and by this time next year, I bet that there will be great tablet choices available.
I've wanted a tablet for years. But they ain't nothing yet. Limited storage, inability to output HD, in one notable case, the wrong aspect ratio: I'll wait.