People want simplicity and less clutter not a more complex mess of bits and pieces scattered around the house.
I think that desktop computers are commodity items. At least WRT hard drives, RAM and CPUs.
I think that these aspects will develop much more slowly than in the past. Already we are seeing the market shy away from the fastest processors, instead buying machines like the iPad and the netbook, because it is "good enough". Already we have seen computers updated to Win 7, but still with the same industry-standard 4 gigs of RAM. Already we see home computers with plug and play hot-swappable RAID which can have new drives added almost effortlessly, especially by an appliance repair man.
This stuff is "good enough" to last a user for years now - soon it will be good enough for longer, semi-permanent installation, upgraded or replaced only very occasionally.
So I see "our home computer" as a box in the cellar. Drop dead simple.
Your toddler can use a kiddie tablet to get whatever he likes. You can buy a nice monitor, keyboard and mouse to connect. Or you can use a tablet. An expensive nice one, like some folk's deluxe shower stalls and jacuzzis, or a basic one like most people use.
Your TV will connect. Why not?
It will be a standard feature of new construction, and a popular retrofit for existing homes. The desktop computer, as a box which takes up space and looks ugly, is no longer necessary. With wireless n and cheap (or deluxe) clients, able to connect to home or to anything else, I don't see that the "taking up desk space" box has much of a future.
It's also possible that people aren't buying the low-end MacBook because of underwhelming specifications, glossy screen, the white color, etc. etc.
Well, it's entirely possible that the low-end MacBook Pro is "cannibalizing" the MacBook. For the extra couple hundred bucks, it's definitely a more attractive option. That's the problem with this sort of report, where the word "slightly" is used, without access to actual numbers, or information on why people made what choices they did.
Not just talking about you specifically. But it is really interesting how these discussions turn into all or nothing with little in the middle. While the reality of things is mostly always in the middle and rarely all or nothing.
No I wasn't saying that iOS was ascending over OS X. Both OS's are very different and there is a good reason for that.
M point is that technology that has been written specifically for iOS is being adopted into OS X. That is all.
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Right, but there are new technologies being developed for OS X today (GCD, for example) that will eventually make their way to iOS. What's going on here is cross pollination, not the ascendancy of iOS over OS X.
What you have to understand is that things that are going from iOS back to OS X are completely rewritten code. The concepts come from OS X because OS X was first. But the code being written for iOS is largely new.
Quiktime X is a completely new Quicktime that was originally for the iPhone and ported to Mac OS X.
Very good point... I can't find a citation, but I've heard that the iPhone gave OS X developers the chance to re-implement some components the "right way". And that these have been repatriated into the motherland.
Right, but there are new technologies being developed for OS X today (GCD, for example) that will eventually make their way to iOS. What's going on here is cross pollination, not the ascendancy of iOS over OS X.
Not just talking about you specifically. But it is really interesting how these discussions turn into all or nothing with little in the middle. While the reality of things is mostly always in the middle and rarely all or nothing.
No I wasn't saying that iOS was ascending over OS X. Both OS's are very different and there is a good reason for that.
M point is that technology that has been written specifically for iOS is being adopted into OS X. That is all.
Well, no, I don't think it's all or nothing, one or the other. In fact, I was responding counter to the general idea in this thread that it is all or nothing, one or the other, iOS or OS X, not the middle ground where both flourish and influence each other.
... I predict the death of the "computer" as a machine sitting on a desk, and the rise of the "home computer" as a box in the cellar like your water heater.
Well, no, I don't think it's all or nothing, one or the other. In fact, I was responding counter to the general idea in this thread that it is all or nothing, one or the other, iOS or OS X, not the middle ground where both flourish and influence each other.
For years there's just been one MacBook and three MacBook Pros. It really does seem like Apple is waiting to see if and when iPad can replace the low-end MacBook entirely. And I wonder if there's room for a 13" iPad Pro...
I believe that Apple is making OSX 100% finger friendly and that it will soon discontinue the wifi only ipad. Next I believe that Apple will release ipads that are as technically strong as the macbook. It is inevitable IMHO. Apple will turn the macbook into a slate. I can feel it. Then the pro models will get skated. IMHO!!! But what the hell do I know?
sorry, but you don't understand apples strategy. the ipad has to be as light and thin as possible. it is not going to replace the mac book! why should it???
the ipad is also no replacement for a mac book. you can do so much on a mac book what you can not do on an ipad.
what apple MIGHT soon do is to make the ipad independent. so many people bought an ipad and THEN realized, that they still need a host computer to operate it.
the ipad itself can not do anything apart from consuming and viewing. you can not even delete a photo or edit it on the ipad. it is also impossible to edit your itune library. the ipad is an oversized ipod touch or iphone. that's it!
the ipad itself can not do anything apart from consuming and viewing. you can not even delete a photo or edit it on the ipad. it is also impossible to edit your itune library. the ipad is an oversized ipod touch or iphone. that's it!
I am SOOOOOO sick of this 'iPad is for consuming, not producing' nonsense.
Tell that to the people already using it in business, music, writing, medicine ad nauseum.
And this is just the FIRST VERSION!
I swear, the lack of vision vision of the so-called 'tech literate' is sometimes astounding.
In 10 years, what we've been calling a 'computer' for the past 30 will be a quaint joke.
mac book sales go back, ipod sales go up. logical consequence: ipad is replacing mac book?
WRONG!
rememer that the mac book prise has been increased! i know many customers who are very pissed off about that move. in europe the mac book was 899 euro, now it is 999 euro. apple is ripping its customers off, so they should not be surprised if they sell less.
however, the ipad sales are going up because it is a fresh product. it's not goint to be like that all the time.
I am SOOOOOO sick of this 'iPad is for consuming, not producing' nonsense.
Tell that to the people already using it in business, music, writing, medicine ad nauseum.
And this is just the FIRST VERSION!
I swear, the lack of vision vision of the so-called 'tech literate' is sometimes astounding.
In 10 years, what we've been calling a 'computer' for the past 30 will be a quaint joke.
Its the iPad that is beginning that path.
but it is true!
you have this great app for watching your photos. but have you tried to delete one of those photos? not possible. or maybe move one photo infront of the other one? impossible. maybe renaming a stack of photos? impossible! or edit a photo because the colors are looking ugly? impossible!
same thing with music.
can you delete a song? nope! can you rename a song? nope! can you change a cover of a song? nope. can you do anything apart from listening to the songs? nope!
oh, yes, you can create a playlist. whow! incredible! a playlist! but that's about it. nothing more.
you can consume music, you can consume photos and consume videos. but you can not do anything more! sorry, but this is the concept of the ipad!
I know this about QuickTime because I know someone who works on the QuickTime team.
He was telling me that the basis of QuickTime was literally the same code from 1991. For the past 18 years they were just building on top of it. The iPhone provided the opportunity to get rid of all of the legacy crap that was no longer needed and start over again fresh. That is the reason why there is a QuickTime X and a QuickTime 7. QuickTime 7 is the old QT with legacy code.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Very good point... I can't find a citation, but I've heard that the iPhone gave OS X developers the chance to re-implement some components the "right way". And that these have been repatriated into the motherland.
I am SOOOOOO sick of this 'iPad is for consuming, not producing' nonsense.
Tell that to the people already using it in business, music, writing, medicine ad nauseum.
And this is just the FIRST VERSION!
I swear, the lack of vision vision of the so-called 'tech literate' is sometimes astounding.
In 10 years, what we've been calling a 'computer' for the past 30 will be a quaint joke.
Its the iPad that is beginning that path.
I totally agree with your criticisms of the, "'iPad is for consuming, not producing' nonsense," and your comments on the lack of vision. I also agree that the iPad is the beginning of a major change in the way we interact with computers, but, I still believe that desktops (where input and display is separate) will remain an important part of that.
That has nothing to do with productive apps for the iPad. What you are talking about is the fact that Apple designed its media management around iTunes.
That has nothing to do with what developers are able to create for the iPad and how people can use the iPad. There are thousands of productive apps for the iOS.
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Originally Posted by bodypainter
but it is true!
you have this great app for watching your photos. but have you tried to delete one of those photos? not possible. or maybe move one photo infront of the other one? impossible. maybe renaming a stack of photos? impossible! or edit a photo because the colors are looking ugly? impossible!
same thing with music.
can you delete a song? nope! can you rename a song? nope! can you change a cover of a song? nope. can you do anything apart from listening to the songs? nope!
oh, yes, you can create a playlist. whow! incredible! a playlist! but that's about it. nothing more.
you can consume music, you can consume photos and consume videos. but you can not do anything more! sorry, but this is the concept of the ipad!
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People want simplicity and less clutter not a more complex mess of bits and pieces scattered around the house.
I think that desktop computers are commodity items. At least WRT hard drives, RAM and CPUs.
I think that these aspects will develop much more slowly than in the past. Already we are seeing the market shy away from the fastest processors, instead buying machines like the iPad and the netbook, because it is "good enough". Already we have seen computers updated to Win 7, but still with the same industry-standard 4 gigs of RAM. Already we see home computers with plug and play hot-swappable RAID which can have new drives added almost effortlessly, especially by an appliance repair man.
This stuff is "good enough" to last a user for years now - soon it will be good enough for longer, semi-permanent installation, upgraded or replaced only very occasionally.
So I see "our home computer" as a box in the cellar. Drop dead simple.
Your toddler can use a kiddie tablet to get whatever he likes. You can buy a nice monitor, keyboard and mouse to connect. Or you can use a tablet. An expensive nice one, like some folk's deluxe shower stalls and jacuzzis, or a basic one like most people use.
Your TV will connect. Why not?
It will be a standard feature of new construction, and a popular retrofit for existing homes. The desktop computer, as a box which takes up space and looks ugly, is no longer necessary. With wireless n and cheap (or deluxe) clients, able to connect to home or to anything else, I don't see that the "taking up desk space" box has much of a future.
It's also possible that people aren't buying the low-end MacBook because of underwhelming specifications, glossy screen, the white color, etc. etc.
Well, it's entirely possible that the low-end MacBook Pro is "cannibalizing" the MacBook. For the extra couple hundred bucks, it's definitely a more attractive option. That's the problem with this sort of report, where the word "slightly" is used, without access to actual numbers, or information on why people made what choices they did.
No I wasn't saying that iOS was ascending over OS X. Both OS's are very different and there is a good reason for that.
M point is that technology that has been written specifically for iOS is being adopted into OS X. That is all.
Right, but there are new technologies being developed for OS X today (GCD, for example) that will eventually make their way to iOS. What's going on here is cross pollination, not the ascendancy of iOS over OS X.
What you have to understand is that things that are going from iOS back to OS X are completely rewritten code. The concepts come from OS X because OS X was first. But the code being written for iOS is largely new.
Quiktime X is a completely new Quicktime that was originally for the iPhone and ported to Mac OS X.
Very good point... I can't find a citation, but I've heard that the iPhone gave OS X developers the chance to re-implement some components the "right way". And that these have been repatriated into the motherland.
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Right, but there are new technologies being developed for OS X today (GCD, for example) that will eventually make their way to iOS. What's going on here is cross pollination, not the ascendancy of iOS over OS X.
I agree with that!
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Not just talking about you specifically. But it is really interesting how these discussions turn into all or nothing with little in the middle. While the reality of things is mostly always in the middle and rarely all or nothing.
No I wasn't saying that iOS was ascending over OS X. Both OS's are very different and there is a good reason for that.
M point is that technology that has been written specifically for iOS is being adopted into OS X. That is all.
Well, no, I don't think it's all or nothing, one or the other. In fact, I was responding counter to the general idea in this thread that it is all or nothing, one or the other, iOS or OS X, not the middle ground where both flourish and influence each other.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patentl...new-iapps.html
... I predict the death of the "computer" as a machine sitting on a desk, and the rise of the "home computer" as a box in the cellar like your water heater.
Word.
Well, no, I don't think it's all or nothing, one or the other. In fact, I was responding counter to the general idea in this thread that it is all or nothing, one or the other, iOS or OS X, not the middle ground where both flourish and influence each other.
Maybe, in the future, we can all agree iOS XI
Ugh...
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I believe that Apple is making OSX 100% finger friendly and that it will soon discontinue the wifi only ipad. Next I believe that Apple will release ipads that are as technically strong as the macbook. It is inevitable IMHO. Apple will turn the macbook into a slate. I can feel it. Then the pro models will get skated. IMHO!!! But what the hell do I know?
sorry, but you don't understand apples strategy. the ipad has to be as light and thin as possible. it is not going to replace the mac book! why should it???
the ipad is also no replacement for a mac book. you can do so much on a mac book what you can not do on an ipad.
what apple MIGHT soon do is to make the ipad independent. so many people bought an ipad and THEN realized, that they still need a host computer to operate it.
the ipad itself can not do anything apart from consuming and viewing. you can not even delete a photo or edit it on the ipad. it is also impossible to edit your itune library. the ipad is an oversized ipod touch or iphone. that's it!
the ipad itself can not do anything apart from consuming and viewing. you can not even delete a photo or edit it on the ipad. it is also impossible to edit your itune library. the ipad is an oversized ipod touch or iphone. that's it!
I am SOOOOOO sick of this 'iPad is for consuming, not producing' nonsense.
Tell that to the people already using it in business, music, writing, medicine ad nauseum.
And this is just the FIRST VERSION!
I swear, the lack of vision vision of the so-called 'tech literate' is sometimes astounding.
In 10 years, what we've been calling a 'computer' for the past 30 will be a quaint joke.
Its the iPad that is beginning that path.
mac book sales go back, ipod sales go up. logical consequence: ipad is replacing mac book?
WRONG!
rememer that the mac book prise has been increased! i know many customers who are very pissed off about that move. in europe the mac book was 899 euro, now it is 999 euro. apple is ripping its customers off, so they should not be surprised if they sell less.
however, the ipad sales are going up because it is a fresh product. it's not goint to be like that all the time.
I am SOOOOOO sick of this 'iPad is for consuming, not producing' nonsense.
Tell that to the people already using it in business, music, writing, medicine ad nauseum.
And this is just the FIRST VERSION!
I swear, the lack of vision vision of the so-called 'tech literate' is sometimes astounding.
In 10 years, what we've been calling a 'computer' for the past 30 will be a quaint joke.
Its the iPad that is beginning that path.
but it is true!
you have this great app for watching your photos. but have you tried to delete one of those photos? not possible. or maybe move one photo infront of the other one? impossible. maybe renaming a stack of photos? impossible! or edit a photo because the colors are looking ugly? impossible!
same thing with music.
can you delete a song? nope! can you rename a song? nope! can you change a cover of a song? nope. can you do anything apart from listening to the songs? nope!
oh, yes, you can create a playlist. whow! incredible! a playlist! but that's about it. nothing more.
you can consume music, you can consume photos and consume videos. but you can not do anything more! sorry, but this is the concept of the ipad!
He was telling me that the basis of QuickTime was literally the same code from 1991. For the past 18 years they were just building on top of it. The iPhone provided the opportunity to get rid of all of the legacy crap that was no longer needed and start over again fresh. That is the reason why there is a QuickTime X and a QuickTime 7. QuickTime 7 is the old QT with legacy code.
Very good point... I can't find a citation, but I've heard that the iPhone gave OS X developers the chance to re-implement some components the "right way". And that these have been repatriated into the motherland.
I am SOOOOOO sick of this 'iPad is for consuming, not producing' nonsense.
Tell that to the people already using it in business, music, writing, medicine ad nauseum.
And this is just the FIRST VERSION!
I swear, the lack of vision vision of the so-called 'tech literate' is sometimes astounding.
In 10 years, what we've been calling a 'computer' for the past 30 will be a quaint joke.
Its the iPad that is beginning that path.
I totally agree with your criticisms of the, "'iPad is for consuming, not producing' nonsense," and your comments on the lack of vision. I also agree that the iPad is the beginning of a major change in the way we interact with computers, but, I still believe that desktops (where input and display is separate) will remain an important part of that.
That has nothing to do with what developers are able to create for the iPad and how people can use the iPad. There are thousands of productive apps for the iOS.
but it is true!
you have this great app for watching your photos. but have you tried to delete one of those photos? not possible. or maybe move one photo infront of the other one? impossible. maybe renaming a stack of photos? impossible! or edit a photo because the colors are looking ugly? impossible!
same thing with music.
can you delete a song? nope! can you rename a song? nope! can you change a cover of a song? nope. can you do anything apart from listening to the songs? nope!
oh, yes, you can create a playlist. whow! incredible! a playlist! but that's about it. nothing more.
you can consume music, you can consume photos and consume videos. but you can not do anything more! sorry, but this is the concept of the ipad!
... you can consume music, you can consume photos and consume videos. but you can not do anything more! sorry, but this is the concept of the ipad!
Wow, you have no idea of what you are talking about. And, you can delete photos, just not photos that were sync'd to your iPad.