The "Ugly American" stereotype is what Europe thinks of us. Such headlines appeared in many Euro newspapers when the US Golf team beat PGA Europe in that tournament a few years back.
What, what, what?!?! Please explain this more, i think you were trying to make a point but someone kidnapped your body and pressed the Add Reply button before you typed it. or else somebody better call the US soccer team before they beat anymore European teams! This could lead to WW3! </strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> No, it's really simple enough.
Get off your highly pious horse about swearing. I used it to puncuate my message, not as a substitute for the message itself. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well then that makes it okay.
[quote]<strong>As for name calling- We've settled that issue way back in page one. It's clear that throughout SDW2001's posts, name calling is a vital part. Just think of how many times he used the word "liberal," which he clarified to mean as a "curse" word. Please, you're hypocritical to criticize me.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nothing hypocritical about me. I don't call people names and I don't swear at them. You were complaining about people belittling each other while you were do precisely that. Who's the hypocrite?
Nothing hypocritical about me. I don't call people names and I don't swear at them. You were complaining about people belittling each other while you were do precisely that. Who's the hypocrite?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are a hypocrit through your inaction. You critized me alone while leaving SDW2001, a valid part of this discussion, unscathed while he spoke of "liberal" this and "liberal" that.
[quote]Originally posted by spaceman_spiff:
<strong>
Well then that makes it okay.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, it does. Do you not see the distinction or are you just against "swearing" generally speaking? Using colorful swear words to puncuate an argument is fine in discussion.
Well it looks like Spaceman-Spiff and SW ( whatever ) got someone elses ire up with their redneck attitudes. It doesn't look like this ones letting go ether. Well guys now you know not everybody thinks like you ( thank god ).
I just got tired of arguing the point. Which really didn't matter. All they wanted was to have the last word. I suppose they would have seen it as some " big " victory or something.
So spaceman are you going to start sending them private messages also. Calling them a troll for having a different opinion. Anything to win an arguement. SW editing his posts so he could backpeddal better.
Pretty bad.
But, hey, if you guys want wallow in your own opinions, by all means do so. Just don't expect the rest of the world's foreheads to slope backwards in agreement.
<strong>Well it looks like Spaceman-Spiff and SW ( whatever ) got someone elses ire up with their redneck attitudes. It doesn't look like this ones letting go ether. Well guys now you know not everybody thinks like you ( thank god ).
I just got tired of arguing the point. Which really didn't matter. All they wanted was to have the last word. I suppose they would have seen it as some " big " victory or something.
So spaceman are you going to start sending them private messages also. Calling them a troll for having a different opinion. Anything to win an arguement. SW editing his posts so he could backpeddal better.
Pretty bad.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep.
[quote]<strong>But, hey, if you guys want wallow in your own opinions, by all means do so. Just don't expect the rest of the world's foreheads to slope backwards in agreement.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I called you a troll because you were trolling. Which is what you are now doing again. But I suppose it comforts you to believe it was just because you have a different opinion.
Notice, sjpsu, jimmac's colorful use of the word "redneck" and his word picture, "foreheads to slope". It's a little clunky but he's implying that somone's a neanderthal. I wonder who?
Oh well. I guess I shouldn't mind because he's just so earnest.
Damn good thread. Where's G4Dude? We should get Eman in here to brief him about the current state of world affairs. He'll need it for 10th grade history class... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
. [quote]SW editing his posts so he could backpeddal better <hr></blockquote>
For your information, I generally only edit my posts for content immediately after posting......anything else is pure spelling and/or grammar correction. I didn't backpedal at all.
As far as my "redneck" attitude.....that is interesting, because I consider myself to be about as far from a redneck as one can get. The fact that I support Bush and think democracy is right doesn't make me so.
For your information, I generally only edit my posts for content immediately atfter posting......anything else is pure spelling and/or grammar correction. I didn't backpedal at all.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Unless anyone has documented posts, we'll have to take SDW's word on this.
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>.
As far as my "redneck" attitude.....that is interesting, because I consider myself to be about as far from a redneck as one can get. The fact that I support Bush and think democracy is right doesn't make me so.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>The goverment of the United States of America, like any other ?offical? goverments in the world, are merely just puppets controlled by the same puppeter.
This puppeter, created, divided, and ended a goverment as he wish.
Puppets are played to fight against other puppets, and in the same time some puppets are played to make peace with other puppets.
People who aren't in the know, thought that the puppets are acting on their own.
Imagine a puppet beat you up regulary, at some point, you will harbor an animosity toward the puppet. But unknown to you, the puppet is merely just controlled by the puppeter. Even if you destroyed the puppet, the puppeter will just use another puppet to fool you, and even worse, you too can be played by the puppeter like a puppet.
Folks... Our true enemy is currently hiding and using puppets so that we will fight against each other.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Aw, you little knucklewalkers you. I don't really believe you guys are rednecks. I just got tired of the liberal this and that and " flaming liberal " comments.
Spaceman, I suppose BRussell is a troll also for " policing your posts "?
Lets face it we aren't going to change each others minds.
By the way I thought the sloping foreheads fit in nicely and wasn't clunky at all.
I also believe in democracy that's why I don't like Bush.
Also I am basically in earnest as in the importance of being by Oscar Wilde ( another flaming liberal ).
Don't be such an idiot. How are people supposed to pay for travel, accomodation and food to and at these demonstrations? I don't know... duuuuh, with money??? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Or how about having excellent guest speakers to come in and lecture - that requires money you know. The rental of the space to fit hundreds of people inside kind of needs to be paid for in money.
I have given you some good examples of how IMF policies have ****ed nations up beyond repair. If you want, I can give you web address where you can read about why. Oh wait, you don't want to hear anyone else's side but your own.
Also, if you actually want to learn about what really happened in Seattle, go out and watch "This is what democracy looks like". It was shot on the streets of Seattle and it shows an unbiased account of how the police reacted to peaceful protestors.</strong><hr></blockquote>
My god are you really this immersed in this bull? An unbiased account that You recommend with your unbiased point of view? How about if i recommend one, and i am whole heartedly against you on all of this. Would you say hmm wow that was unbiased? I was wrong. Same film different edit.
For god sake open your eyes your an extremist who is feeling the full weight of non existent oppression on your neck. You make money, pay for your accomdations and speakers from your pocket. Support your belief financially, well wait that's some else responsibility, as well as Emotionally. Then gather your wits and ask yourself who is there to stop violence? Uhm police and when someone... and of course not your peaceful people, definitely someone kind of oppression conspiracy here too... starts to become violent what should they do? Well for gods sake they should have a meeting and in the meeting decide who is the active demonstrator screaming and throwing things harmlessly and who the one throwing them maliciously is. No that won't work... here's a better one let's try this for a peace keeping effort, we'll run in and knock the heads of the quiet ones sitting down with the hope that the ones running all over will get the clear message that only those peacefully demonstrating will be knocked on the head those running, fighting, throwing things, and looting we'll let go to be a warning to the... uhm well damn that didn't work. So how about if we round up those who appear to pose a threat to others and sort it out from there, reasonable peaceful demonstrators will be able to rationally understand that this is an effort to keep Peace within a situation that is no longer peaceful.
Not for you though, nope your going to laydown and be as uncooperative as you can so that the bad guys can not break this up because they are just trying to oppress your freedoms and opinions.
Like most of his kind I think Bush represents less freedom ( although he preaches otherwise ). I don't think he is a good choice for president. Hence my statement ( well that and to get under your skin ).
Aren't you speaking of yourself? After all I'm sure you have said worse about certain democrats. So it comes down to this after all. People who don't agree with your political choice are ignorant. There is no other way to take your statement. Lame, lame, lame.
My descriptive statements ( mostly in fun ) were aimed at your viewpoints on the world and it's problems not your political choices. So sorry, you can't try that tact.
My god are you really this immersed in this bull? An unbiased account that You recommend with your unbiased point of view? How about if i recommend one, and i am whole heartedly against you on all of this. Would you say hmm wow that was unbiased? I was wrong. Same film different edit.
For god sake open your eyes your an extremist who is feeling the full weight of non existent oppression on your neck. You make money, pay for your accomdations and speakers from your pocket. Support your belief financially, well wait that's some else responsibility, as well as Emotionally. Then gather your wits and ask yourself who is there to stop violence? Uhm police and when someone... and of course not your peaceful people, definitely someone kind of oppression conspiracy here too... starts to become violent what should they do? Well for gods sake they should have a meeting and in the meeting decide who is the active demonstrator screaming and throwing things harmlessly and who the one throwing them maliciously is. No that won't work... here's a better one let's try this for a peace keeping effort, we'll run in and knock the heads of the quiet ones sitting down with the hope that the ones running all over will get the clear message that only those peacefully demonstrating will be knocked on the head those running, fighting, throwing things, and looting we'll let go to be a warning to the... uhm well damn that didn't work. So how about if we round up those who appear to pose a threat to others and sort it out from there, reasonable peaceful demonstrators will be able to rationally understand that this is an effort to keep Peace within a situation that is no longer peaceful.
Not for you though, nope your going to laydown and be as uncooperative as you can so that the bad guys can not break this up because they are just trying to oppress your freedoms and opinions.
Bahh the train left you missed it go home. <hr></blockquote>
I just had to repost this, as a nomination for the most incomprehensible post to grace the fine pixels of famed Appleoutsider . . .do I hear any ayes in favour?
.would it (or this) qualify for that rarest of catagories the coveted "trolling" post?!?!?
.would it (or this) qualify for that rarest of catagories the coveted "trolling" post?!?!? </strong><hr></blockquote>
It just might however it's a point made with irony from the other side of the fence. I flamed you yes, but your post struck me with just the right/wrong cord.
I just had to repost this, as a nomination for the most incomprehensible post to grace the fine pixels of famed Appleoutsider . . .do I hear any ayes in favour?
.would it (or this) qualify for that rarest of catagories the coveted "trolling" post?!?!? </strong><hr></blockquote>
That's just plain ignorant. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Plainly ignorant? Ignorant to what? Quite contrary to your statement, jimmac is completely aware of Bush's poor democratic record. For instance, was it not Dick Cheney who spoke out against the idea of democratic criticism of the President during the "war"? How completely undemocratic of the Bush White House. Sure, Bush sends our troops to fight for democracy, and he believes in its core concepts. Yet, when political pressure intensifies.... *poof*
Comments
<strong>You're entirely amusing,
but probably just missed the point.
The "Ugly American" stereotype is what Europe thinks of us. Such headlines appeared in many Euro newspapers when the US Golf team beat PGA Europe in that tournament a few years back.
What, what, what?!?! Please explain this more, i think you were trying to make a point but someone kidnapped your body and pressed the Add Reply button before you typed it. or else somebody better call the US soccer team before they beat anymore European teams! This could lead to WW3!
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> No, it's really simple enough.
<strong>
Get off your highly pious horse about swearing. I used it to puncuate my message, not as a substitute for the message itself. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well then that makes it okay.
[quote]<strong>As for name calling- We've settled that issue way back in page one. It's clear that throughout SDW2001's posts, name calling is a vital part. Just think of how many times he used the word "liberal," which he clarified to mean as a "curse" word. Please, you're hypocritical to criticize me.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nothing hypocritical about me. I don't call people names and I don't swear at them. You were complaining about people belittling each other while you were do precisely that. Who's the hypocrite?
<strong>
Nothing hypocritical about me. I don't call people names and I don't swear at them. You were complaining about people belittling each other while you were do precisely that. Who's the hypocrite?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are a hypocrit through your inaction. You critized me alone while leaving SDW2001, a valid part of this discussion, unscathed while he spoke of "liberal" this and "liberal" that.
[quote]Originally posted by spaceman_spiff:
<strong>
Well then that makes it okay.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, it does. Do you not see the distinction or are you just against "swearing" generally speaking? Using colorful swear words to puncuate an argument is fine in discussion.
<strong>And BRussell's MO is to police my posts.</strong><hr></blockquote>haha
It's only because I see potential in you. Granted, as yet utterly and completely unrealized, but potential all the same.
Uh, what 's this thread about again? Something about pets maybe?
I just got tired of arguing the point. Which really didn't matter. All they wanted was to have the last word. I suppose they would have seen it as some " big " victory or something.
So spaceman are you going to start sending them private messages also. Calling them a troll for having a different opinion. Anything to win an arguement. SW editing his posts so he could backpeddal better.
Pretty bad.
But, hey, if you guys want wallow in your own opinions, by all means do so. Just don't expect the rest of the world's foreheads to slope backwards in agreement.
[ 06-12-2002: Message edited by: jimmac ]</p>
<strong>Well it looks like Spaceman-Spiff and SW ( whatever ) got someone elses ire up with their redneck attitudes. It doesn't look like this ones letting go ether. Well guys now you know not everybody thinks like you ( thank god ).
I just got tired of arguing the point. Which really didn't matter. All they wanted was to have the last word. I suppose they would have seen it as some " big " victory or something.
So spaceman are you going to start sending them private messages also. Calling them a troll for having a different opinion. Anything to win an arguement. SW editing his posts so he could backpeddal better.
Pretty bad.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep.
[quote]<strong>But, hey, if you guys want wallow in your own opinions, by all means do so. Just don't expect the rest of the world's foreheads to slope backwards in agreement.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I called you a troll because you were trolling. Which is what you are now doing again. But I suppose it comforts you to believe it was just because you have a different opinion.
Notice, sjpsu, jimmac's colorful use of the word "redneck" and his word picture, "foreheads to slope". It's a little clunky but he's implying that somone's a neanderthal. I wonder who?
Oh well. I guess I shouldn't mind because he's just so earnest.
[ 06-12-2002: Message edited by: sjpsu ]</p>
<strong>haha
It's only because I see potential in you. Granted, as yet utterly and completely unrealized, but potential all the same.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm sure there are other, more promising acolytes who could better benefit from your attentions.
[ 06-12-2002: Message edited by: sjpsu ]</p>
For your information, I generally only edit my posts for content immediately after posting......anything else is pure spelling and/or grammar correction. I didn't backpedal at all.
As far as my "redneck" attitude.....that is interesting, because I consider myself to be about as far from a redneck as one can get. The fact that I support Bush and think democracy is right doesn't make me so.
I edited the spelling on this one too!
[ 06-12-2002: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>
<strong>.
For your information, I generally only edit my posts for content immediately atfter posting......anything else is pure spelling and/or grammar correction. I didn't backpedal at all.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Unless anyone has documented posts, we'll have to take SDW's word on this.
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>.
As far as my "redneck" attitude.....that is interesting, because I consider myself to be about as far from a redneck as one can get. The fact that I support Bush and think democracy is right doesn't make me so.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed.
<strong>The goverment of the United States of America, like any other ?offical? goverments in the world, are merely just puppets controlled by the same puppeter.
This puppeter, created, divided, and ended a goverment as he wish.
Puppets are played to fight against other puppets, and in the same time some puppets are played to make peace with other puppets.
People who aren't in the know, thought that the puppets are acting on their own.
Imagine a puppet beat you up regulary, at some point, you will harbor an animosity toward the puppet. But unknown to you, the puppet is merely just controlled by the puppeter. Even if you destroyed the puppet, the puppeter will just use another puppet to fool you, and even worse, you too can be played by the puppeter like a puppet.
Folks... Our true enemy is currently hiding and using puppets so that we will fight against each other.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
This reveals a poor understanding of how our government actually works.
Aw, you little knucklewalkers you. I don't really believe you guys are rednecks. I just got tired of the liberal this and that and " flaming liberal " comments.
Spaceman, I suppose BRussell is a troll also for " policing your posts "?
Lets face it we aren't going to change each others minds.
By the way I thought the sloping foreheads fit in nicely and wasn't clunky at all.
I also believe in democracy that's why I don't like Bush.
Also I am basically in earnest as in the importance of being by Oscar Wilde ( another flaming liberal ).
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>
Don't be such an idiot. How are people supposed to pay for travel, accomodation and food to and at these demonstrations? I don't know... duuuuh, with money??? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Or how about having excellent guest speakers to come in and lecture - that requires money you know. The rental of the space to fit hundreds of people inside kind of needs to be paid for in money.
I have given you some good examples of how IMF policies have ****ed nations up beyond repair. If you want, I can give you web address where you can read about why. Oh wait, you don't want to hear anyone else's side but your own.
Also, if you actually want to learn about what really happened in Seattle, go out and watch "This is what democracy looks like". It was shot on the streets of Seattle and it shows an unbiased account of how the police reacted to peaceful protestors.</strong><hr></blockquote>
My god are you really this immersed in this bull? An unbiased account that You recommend with your unbiased point of view? How about if i recommend one, and i am whole heartedly against you on all of this. Would you say hmm wow that was unbiased? I was wrong. Same film different edit.
For god sake open your eyes your an extremist who is feeling the full weight of non existent oppression on your neck. You make money, pay for your accomdations and speakers from your pocket. Support your belief financially, well wait that's some else responsibility, as well as Emotionally. Then gather your wits and ask yourself who is there to stop violence? Uhm police and when someone... and of course not your peaceful people, definitely someone kind of oppression conspiracy here too... starts to become violent what should they do? Well for gods sake they should have a meeting and in the meeting decide who is the active demonstrator screaming and throwing things harmlessly and who the one throwing them maliciously is. No that won't work... here's a better one let's try this for a peace keeping effort, we'll run in and knock the heads of the quiet ones sitting down with the hope that the ones running all over will get the clear message that only those peacefully demonstrating will be knocked on the head those running, fighting, throwing things, and looting we'll let go to be a warning to the... uhm well damn that didn't work. So how about if we round up those who appear to pose a threat to others and sort it out from there, reasonable peaceful demonstrators will be able to rationally understand that this is an effort to keep Peace within a situation that is no longer peaceful.
Not for you though, nope your going to laydown and be as uncooperative as you can so that the bad guys can not break this up because they are just trying to oppress your freedoms and opinions.
Bahh the train left you missed it go home.
[ 06-13-2002: Message edited by: Ruhx ]</p>
[quote]I also believe in democracy that's why I don't like Bush. <hr></blockquote>
That's just plain ignorant. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
" That's just plain ignorant. "
Like most of his kind I think Bush represents less freedom ( although he preaches otherwise ). I don't think he is a good choice for president. Hence my statement ( well that and to get under your skin ).
Aren't you speaking of yourself? After all I'm sure you have said worse about certain democrats. So it comes down to this after all. People who don't agree with your political choice are ignorant. There is no other way to take your statement. Lame, lame, lame.
My descriptive statements ( mostly in fun ) were aimed at your viewpoints on the world and it's problems not your political choices. So sorry, you can't try that tact.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[ 06-13-2002: Message edited by: jimmac ]</p>
My god are you really this immersed in this bull? An unbiased account that You recommend with your unbiased point of view? How about if i recommend one, and i am whole heartedly against you on all of this. Would you say hmm wow that was unbiased? I was wrong. Same film different edit.
For god sake open your eyes your an extremist who is feeling the full weight of non existent oppression on your neck. You make money, pay for your accomdations and speakers from your pocket. Support your belief financially, well wait that's some else responsibility, as well as Emotionally. Then gather your wits and ask yourself who is there to stop violence? Uhm police and when someone... and of course not your peaceful people, definitely someone kind of oppression conspiracy here too... starts to become violent what should they do? Well for gods sake they should have a meeting and in the meeting decide who is the active demonstrator screaming and throwing things harmlessly and who the one throwing them maliciously is. No that won't work... here's a better one let's try this for a peace keeping effort, we'll run in and knock the heads of the quiet ones sitting down with the hope that the ones running all over will get the clear message that only those peacefully demonstrating will be knocked on the head those running, fighting, throwing things, and looting we'll let go to be a warning to the... uhm well damn that didn't work. So how about if we round up those who appear to pose a threat to others and sort it out from there, reasonable peaceful demonstrators will be able to rationally understand that this is an effort to keep Peace within a situation that is no longer peaceful.
Not for you though, nope your going to laydown and be as uncooperative as you can so that the bad guys can not break this up because they are just trying to oppress your freedoms and opinions.
Bahh the train left you missed it go home. <hr></blockquote>
I just had to repost this, as a nomination for the most incomprehensible post to grace the fine pixels of famed Appleoutsider . . .do I hear any ayes in favour?
.would it (or this) qualify for that rarest of catagories the coveted "trolling" post?!?!?
<strong>
.would it (or this) qualify for that rarest of catagories the coveted "trolling" post?!?!?
It just might
Incomprehensible though?
[ 06-13-2002: Message edited by: Ruhx ]</p>
<strong>
I just had to repost this, as a nomination for the most incomprehensible post to grace the fine pixels of famed Appleoutsider . . .do I hear any ayes in favour?
.would it (or this) qualify for that rarest of catagories the coveted "trolling" post?!?!?
Aye. I skimmed over the rubbish also.
<strong>
That's just plain ignorant. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Plainly ignorant? Ignorant to what? Quite contrary to your statement, jimmac is completely aware of Bush's poor democratic record. For instance, was it not Dick Cheney who spoke out against the idea of democratic criticism of the President during the "war"? How completely undemocratic of the Bush White House. Sure, Bush sends our troops to fight for democracy, and he believes in its core concepts. Yet, when political pressure intensifies.... *poof*
[ 06-13-2002: Message edited by: sjpsu ]</p>