SDW, it is ridiculous that you still argue that point. General liberal bias in the media would have downplayed the Clinton Sex Scandal to decrease public awareness. Ramping up coverage while generally downplaying it is a piss-poor way to benefit the President. Like, jimmac said, it cost Democrats the Presidency in 2000. I'm certain that some anchors, commentators, and guests on the major cable and broadcast news networks attempted to downplay the story. BUT the mere existence of it and its magnitude reveals a total lack of general liberal bias in the media. In fact, I'm sure the networks as a whole slanted far more rightward concerning this story than you think- thanks to FOX News. I didn't watch FNC back then and only now for entertainment, but I WONDER what they said?
[quote]<strong>I "can't be pinned down" because you are *unable to prove* there isn't liberal bias in the media. I, on the other hand, have given several examples of it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Will you quit using my "examples" argument. That's the second time I believe.
[quote]Like, jimmac said, it cost Democrats the Presidency in 2000. <hr></blockquote>
You don't know that. I'm sure it had quite a bit to do with Gore himself.
[quote]BUT the mere existence of it and its magnitude reveals a total lack of general liberal bias in the media. <hr></blockquote>
Ridiculous. How could the media completely ignore a story like that?
As far as Fox News goes, are you suggesting that one network's leanings influenced the entire media? Also ridiculous! I agree FNC leans conservative. But, I would not go so far as to say it is biased. I cannot say the same of ABC and CBS.
You don't know that. I'm sure it had quite a bit to do with Gore himself.
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Correction: It contributed to Gore's election loss because he did not use Clinton as a campaign asset. (which retrospectively he should have done regardless of scandal)
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
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Ridiculous. How could the media completely ignore a story like that?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly, the President messes up once again in his private sex life. [sarcasm]How could the media NOT resist a story like that?[/sarcasm]
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>
As far as Fox News goes, are you suggesting that one network's leanings influenced the entire media? Also ridiculous! </strong><hr></blockquote>
No, I said: (see below)
[quote]Originally posted by SJPSU:
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In fact, I'm sure the networks as a whole slanted far more rightward concerning this story than you think- thanks to FOX News.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Doesn't the phrase "networks as a whole" suggest every major cable and network tv news station? (Answer: "Yes") It's been proven that every one is centrist in nature (slightly center-right, in fact). When you include FNC, the spectrum turns even more conservative color
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
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I agree FNC leans conservative. But, I would not go so far as to say it is biased. I cannot say the same of ABC and CBS.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
How can you NOT equate bias with an entire network's tilt to a political party? Answer that one for me. It's clearly not possible.
On a side note, why can't the FCC sue FNC for truly misleading advertising?
[QB]We all know there nations on earth, entire populations that hate the US. We can speculate
It is true that there are entire nations who hate you. It may not have come to your feeble little mind, however that this is not due to jealousy over your economy but mainly because of your nations double standards. You throw a wobbly whenever you see another country like Chechnya being attacked and yet you are happy to barge into Vietnam, guns blazing. You can't even win in that situation. The worlds biggest military power proves to be the worlds most inept. And that's not all. The rest of the world has started paying attention to the environment and is trying to cut down CO2 emissions yet still we have our old buddies in America driving round in their gas guzzlers and not donig a thing about it. If your economy is so good then surely you can afford to help the environment. And to top it all off your president is, in a word, incompetent.
[QB]We all know there nations on earth, entire populations that hate the US. We can speculate
It is true that there are entire nations who hate you. It may not have come to your feeble little mind, however that this is not due to jealousy over your economy but mainly because of your nations double standards. You throw a wobbly whenever you see another country like Chechnya being attacked and yet you are happy to barge into Vietnam, guns blazing. You can't even win in that situation. The worlds biggest military power proves to be the worlds most inept. And that's not all. The rest of the world has started paying attention to the environment and is trying to cut down CO2 emissions yet still we have our old buddies in America driving round in their gas guzzlers and not donig a thing about it. If your economy is so good then surely you can afford to help the environment. And to top it all off your president is, in a word, incompetent.</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]It's been proven that every one is centrist in nature (slightly center-right, in fact). <hr></blockquote>
What? Now you are saying the media leans CONSERVATIVE????? Yeah, that's been proven. OK.
[quote] Correction: It contributed to Gore's election loss because he did not use Clinton as a campaign asset. (which retrospectively he should have done regardless of scandal) <hr></blockquote>
Agreed.
[quote] Exactly, the President messes up once again in his private sex life. <hr></blockquote>
Opinion. Some wouldn't consider it private if in the Oval Office, but I suppose we just differ on that one. Though, attempting to deceive in a deposition isn't too good.....(Clinton and his people have admitted this since his leaving office).
jimmac=person who can't see he has yet to prove his point, and that even if he did it wouldn't really prove anything.
[quote] What? Now you are saying the media leans CONSERVATIVE????? Yeah, that's been proven. OK. <hr></blockquote>SDW... go back ad read all my posts rather than use your ignorant filter . . .maybe you simply can't understand the prose . . . but yes, the media has a conservative bent . . the news anchors might have a social-left lean but the FORM of the media (commercial media) and the ownership with their managerial policies contribute to an over-all sense of rooting for consumerism over social concerns, and, a conservative business oriented slant . . .
you haven't addressed these issues: the form of the media (probably because I don't think that you understand this issue) nor the corporate ownership of the media.
[quote] you haven't addressed these issues: the form of the media (probably because I don't think that you understand this issue) nor the corporate ownership of the media. <hr></blockquote>
Of course I understand, you ignorant, condescending asshole.
Please present proof that the media, as a whole, leans conservative. Not one person here has done that.
<strong>Please present proof that the media, as a whole, leans conservative. Not one person here has done that.</strong><hr></blockquote>As for reporters themselves, <a href="http://www.fair.org/reports/journalist-survey.html"; target="_blank">here's the only study of journalists' political beliefs that I've seen.</a>
Here's part of their summary:
[quote]*\tOn select issues from corporate power and trade to Social Security and Medicare to health care and taxes, journalists are actually more conservative than the general public.
*\tJournalists are mostly centrist in their political orientation.
*\tThe minority of journalists who do not identify with the "center" are more likely to identify with the "right" when it comes to economic issues and to identify with the "left" when it comes to social issues. <hr></blockquote>
I always hear this stat cited by conservatives that reporters are "9 to 1" liberal, but I've never actually seen that study or know where it comes from. So it sounds like it could be one of those urban myths.
I don't know if they're really conservative, but the argument is that since they're now owned mostly by large corporations rather than independents, they tend to support the status quo and conventional ideas.
I am an American and a Texan, just like our President. I think the rest of the World should shut up. You are all jealous of us . We have to do what we have to do to protect our people and our interests. It is high time we got tuff with those who hate us. From now on we fight back at those who mess with us.
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Something like, you all hate us because you´re all jealous that we´re brilliant and you´re not.
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[quote]<strong>I "can't be pinned down" because you are *unable to prove* there isn't liberal bias in the media. I, on the other hand, have given several examples of it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Will you quit using my "examples" argument. That's the second time I believe.
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You don't know that. I'm sure it had quite a bit to do with Gore himself.
[quote]BUT the mere existence of it and its magnitude reveals a total lack of general liberal bias in the media. <hr></blockquote>
Ridiculous. How could the media completely ignore a story like that?
As far as Fox News goes, are you suggesting that one network's leanings influenced the entire media? Also ridiculous! I agree FNC leans conservative. But, I would not go so far as to say it is biased. I cannot say the same of ABC and CBS.
<strong>
You don't know that. I'm sure it had quite a bit to do with Gore himself.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Correction: It contributed to Gore's election loss because he did not use Clinton as a campaign asset. (which retrospectively he should have done regardless of scandal)
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>
Ridiculous. How could the media completely ignore a story like that?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly, the President messes up once again in his private sex life. [sarcasm]How could the media NOT resist a story like that?[/sarcasm]
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>
As far as Fox News goes, are you suggesting that one network's leanings influenced the entire media? Also ridiculous! </strong><hr></blockquote>
No, I said: (see below)
[quote]Originally posted by SJPSU:
<strong>
In fact, I'm sure the networks as a whole slanted far more rightward concerning this story than you think- thanks to FOX News.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Doesn't the phrase "networks as a whole" suggest every major cable and network tv news station? (Answer: "Yes") It's been proven that every one is centrist in nature (slightly center-right, in fact). When you include FNC, the spectrum turns even more conservative color
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>
I agree FNC leans conservative. But, I would not go so far as to say it is biased. I cannot say the same of ABC and CBS.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
How can you NOT equate bias with an entire network's tilt to a political party? Answer that one for me. It's clearly not possible.
On a side note, why can't the FCC sue FNC for truly misleading advertising?
[QB]We all know there nations on earth, entire populations that hate the US. We can speculate
It is true that there are entire nations who hate you. It may not have come to your feeble little mind, however that this is not due to jealousy over your economy but mainly because of your nations double standards. You throw a wobbly whenever you see another country like Chechnya being attacked and yet you are happy to barge into Vietnam, guns blazing. You can't even win in that situation. The worlds biggest military power proves to be the worlds most inept. And that's not all. The rest of the world has started paying attention to the environment and is trying to cut down CO2 emissions yet still we have our old buddies in America driving round in their gas guzzlers and not donig a thing about it. If your economy is so good then surely you can afford to help the environment. And to top it all off your president is, in a word, incompetent.
<strong>[QUOTE]Originally posted by SDW2001:
[QB]We all know there nations on earth, entire populations that hate the US. We can speculate
It is true that there are entire nations who hate you. It may not have come to your feeble little mind, however that this is not due to jealousy over your economy but mainly because of your nations double standards. You throw a wobbly whenever you see another country like Chechnya being attacked and yet you are happy to barge into Vietnam, guns blazing. You can't even win in that situation. The worlds biggest military power proves to be the worlds most inept. And that's not all. The rest of the world has started paying attention to the environment and is trying to cut down CO2 emissions yet still we have our old buddies in America driving round in their gas guzzlers and not donig a thing about it. If your economy is so good then surely you can afford to help the environment. And to top it all off your president is, in a word, incompetent.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Two words: **** You.
[quote]It's been proven that every one is centrist in nature (slightly center-right, in fact). <hr></blockquote>
What? Now you are saying the media leans CONSERVATIVE????? Yeah, that's been proven. OK.
[quote] Correction: It contributed to Gore's election loss because he did not use Clinton as a campaign asset. (which retrospectively he should have done regardless of scandal) <hr></blockquote>
Agreed.
[quote] Exactly, the President messes up once again in his private sex life. <hr></blockquote>
Opinion. Some wouldn't consider it private if in the Oval Office, but I suppose we just differ on that one. Though, attempting to deceive in a deposition isn't too good.....(Clinton and his people have admitted this since his leaving office).
jimmac=person who can't see he has yet to prove his point, and that even if he did it wouldn't really prove anything.
you haven't addressed these issues: the form of the media (probably because I don't think that you understand this issue) nor the corporate ownership of the media.
[ 06-29-2002: Message edited by: pfflam ]</p>
Of course I understand, you ignorant, condescending asshole.
Please present proof that the media, as a whole, leans conservative. Not one person here has done that.
<strong>Please present proof that the media, as a whole, leans conservative. Not one person here has done that.</strong><hr></blockquote>As for reporters themselves, <a href="http://www.fair.org/reports/journalist-survey.html"; target="_blank">here's the only study of journalists' political beliefs that I've seen.</a>
Here's part of their summary:
[quote]*\tOn select issues from corporate power and trade to Social Security and Medicare to health care and taxes, journalists are actually more conservative than the general public.
*\tJournalists are mostly centrist in their political orientation.
*\tThe minority of journalists who do not identify with the "center" are more likely to identify with the "right" when it comes to economic issues and to identify with the "left" when it comes to social issues. <hr></blockquote>
I always hear this stat cited by conservatives that reporters are "9 to 1" liberal, but I've never actually seen that study or know where it comes from. So it sounds like it could be one of those urban myths.
I don't know if they're really conservative, but the argument is that since they're now owned mostly by large corporations rather than independents, they tend to support the status quo and conventional ideas.
[ 06-30-2002: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>
<strong>I have seen many others that present the exact opposite one.
]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Provide them for us.
God Bless America and God Bless George W. Bush!
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