What gets me is that they dont disclose these "apps that send data sententiously to third parties" Sounds like a FUD story to me
Sounds like something you'd like not to be true.
Seriously, you think researchers at Duke & Penn State are publishing FUD, at the risk of trashing their reputations and rapidly ending their academic careers?
Reading your recurring and ludicrous tries to spread FUD, it seems that you will never be able to make the difference between the phone and third party apps that an user may hypothetically choose to install. Trying to amalgamate the two is simply dishonest and pitiful: congrats.
Seriously, you think researchers at Duke & Penn State are publishing FUD, at the risk of trashing their reputations and rapidly ending their academic careers?
Oh so because its Duke & Penn State publishing these "findings" it precludes the fact that its FUD? That makes perfect sense. Why didnt they post what the apps were? They would rather tell Android users that apps they have are unsafe but no provide the list of what is the issues are.
Reading your recurring and ludicrous tries to spread FUD, it seems that you will never be able to make the difference between the phone and third party apps that an user may hypothetically choose to install. Trying to amalgamate the two is simply dishonest and pitiful: congrats.
Nice try Sensi, but, again, the only ones being dishonest here are those, like you, who are accusing the Duke and Penn State researchers of disseminating FUD. If you don't like the fact that Android, and many Android apps are essentially spyware, intended to turn you, your movements, your habits, your life into a commodity to be bought and sold, then go complain to Google... oh, wait, they don't accept user complaints do they? Well, you'll just have to suck it up, I guess.
Oh so because its Duke & Penn State publishing these "findings" it precludes the fact that its FUD? That makes perfect sense. Why didnt they post what the apps were? They would rather tell Android users that apps they have are unsafe but no provide the list of what is the issues are.
Sounds like a winner to me
Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.
Additionally Apple files patents for various reasons some are less nefarious than others. While it's possible filed this to use, It's also possible Apple filed this patent so no one else can.
I have a Droid and iPhone (for development) Here is how I see it:
1) If you are a techno geek, you will probably prefer Android. The Rooting ( Same as jailbreaking ) comunity is huge and you can find an hack for just about anything you are looking for....
2) #1 is often necessary because of Google's tendency to release things before they are fully baked. These bug are often serious and take forever to work their way into a new release. For example, the New Froyo (2.2) android update broke the ability for the phone to connect to most infrastructure Wifi systems. It also caused a very annoying distortion to any streaming Audio using the AAC+ codex ( like Pandroa on 3G ). Neither of these bug have been fixed and it will be several months before a new major release... Thank god the rooting comunity have provided some work arounds...
3) The average user would prefer the iPhone because it is more stable and requires less thechnical skill to operate.
4) I have been developing an app for both platforms and I really cannot see a hugh advantage of one over the other from a technical point of view. The enviroment for the iPhone is a little easier to use, but the when you hit a wall you are ususally stuck. With android there is usually a way around the wall. The review process is a lot easier on Android (obviously)
5) Syncing video with the Android phones sux.... No other way to put it... You can do anything you like, but it is often a multi step process and you need to understand a lot of subtile video settings...
6) I think Music is a push on the two phones. You can add/delete music and play lists with simple drag and drop on android. You have to use iTunes with the iPhone and quite franky, iTunes is not Apple's best work... ( Just try to point iTunes to a music library on a network drive drive and the "determining gapless playback" stuff will drive you nuts.... )
7) The quality of Video and photos is about even ( on the higher end Androind phones )...
8) Google navigation and Maps on Android is sweet... I know you can do most things on the iPhone, but the integration is better on Android...
9) Android wins voice commands hand down. I am often amazed and how well it works...
10) Until Android broke the infrastructure Wifi I would have given the IT edge to Android, but not now. I would say it is a slight edge for the iPhone right now....
11) Non of this will probably not matter much longer. Verizon is on a mission to kill Androind with locked down phones and putting too much VCrapware on the phones. So far two models are locked down to not allow any of the sweet Google features ( You have to root the phone to use them ) . If anything one thing can stop Andoid, it will be Verizon.....
That is just my opinion based on playing with the devices...
Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.
You still havent told me why they didnt release their findings? Im waiting.
Apple also leads in customer satisfaction, with 74 percent of respondents indicating they are "very satisfied" with their iPhone. Android came in second, with 65 percent giving such high approval.
These respondents must be from yet another unsubstantiated survey since the first completely unverifiable survey was prospective smart phone buyers. These respondents, I would assume, already have a smart phone which they are very satisfied with. Edit: For $1,500 you can purchase the details of the survey at changewave and presumably discover how they derive their statistics.
Good question, because that is a serious drop in iOS interest in a few months.
Thats not what this says.. They are comparing android to iPhone not to iOS. I never could understand this comparison.. They are comparing a phone to an OS that runs on many phones. What exactly is the comparison?
Same in the US. I have no idea who they're interviewing. My neighbors are all non-technical and NONE of them know what Android is. I heard a couple questions about what that Droid-thing is and that's it.
The iPhone though IS a topic of interest. I've had multiple neighbors buy them in the last few years and multiple who have talked about getting them.
Because it's software. Just like when I go to talk to my non-techie neighbors they have no clue what an "iOS" is. But if I ask these same people what the Droid X and iPhone are, they know instantly.
I wonder how many of those interested in Android are Verizon subscribers? How many of those, as well as those on AT&T, are sick and tired of waiting for an iPhone 4?
It would certainly be interesting to see if they asked any follow-up. Not only "which network are you on?", which would seriously influence the answer to the first question, but also asking why they made their choice...what features mattered to them (ie, a phyical keyboard, etc).
As for people not knowing what Android is...perhaps because there isn't a phone called "Android". How did the survey ask the question? "Will you buy and iPhone or an Android phone?" Many people would probably recognize the names of a lot of Android-based phones and not know they were Android based. A much higher percentage of people know that iPhone is iOS based (the "i" is a big giveaway! )
Anyway, take it with a grain of salt, like all surveys, unless you know that details behind how the survey was conducted. However, it does support the notion that Android is a growing threat to Apple.
I noticed that patent wasn't included in AI news...
Really? Systems and Methods for Identifying Unauthorized Users of an Electronic Device was not in AI news? You must have looked under the wrong heading of "traitorware".
AI news is not into such sensationalism. And even though it's EFF who first uttered the term, your choice of "epochtimes" as the source is very interesting, considering that their news pieces were written like Onion articles, but actually were serious about it.
Good question, because that is a serious drop in iOS interest in a few months.
I couldn't find the link but there was a recent study taken that said 8 million of Verizon customers would switch to the iPhone if it came to that network.
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No, he definitely means Android:
http://arstechnica.com/security/news...dvertisers.ars
What gets me is that they dont disclose these "apps that send data sententiously to third parties" Sounds like a FUD story to me
You must mean Apple. Not Google.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/41515/
I noticed that patent wasn't included in AI news...
Ty for the heads up.
What gets me is that they dont disclose these "apps that send data sententiously to third parties" Sounds like a FUD story to me
Sounds like something you'd like not to be true.
Seriously, you think researchers at Duke & Penn State are publishing FUD, at the risk of trashing their reputations and rapidly ending their academic careers?
No, he definitely means Android:
http://arstechnica.com/security/news...dvertisers.ars
Reading your recurring and ludicrous tries to spread FUD, it seems that you will never be able to make the difference between the phone and third party apps that an user may hypothetically choose to install. Trying to amalgamate the two is simply dishonest and pitiful: congrats.
No, he definitely means Android:
http://arstechnica.com/security/news...dvertisers.ars
Sounds like something you'd like not to be true.
Seriously, you think researchers at Duke & Penn State are publishing FUD, at the risk of trashing their reputations and rapidly ending their academic careers?
Oh so because its Duke & Penn State publishing these "findings" it precludes the fact that its FUD? That makes perfect sense. Why didnt they post what the apps were? They would rather tell Android users that apps they have are unsafe but no provide the list of what is the issues are.
Sounds like a winner to me
Reading your recurring and ludicrous tries to spread FUD, it seems that you will never be able to make the difference between the phone and third party apps that an user may hypothetically choose to install. Trying to amalgamate the two is simply dishonest and pitiful: congrats.
Nice try Sensi, but, again, the only ones being dishonest here are those, like you, who are accusing the Duke and Penn State researchers of disseminating FUD. If you don't like the fact that Android, and many Android apps are essentially spyware, intended to turn you, your movements, your habits, your life into a commodity to be bought and sold, then go complain to Google... oh, wait, they don't accept user complaints do they? Well, you'll just have to suck it up, I guess.
You must mean Apple. Not Google.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/41515/
I noticed that patent wasn't included in AI news...
No he means Google
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369978,00.asp
Oh so because its Duke & Penn State publishing these "findings" it precludes the fact that its FUD? That makes perfect sense. Why didnt they post what the apps were? They would rather tell Android users that apps they have are unsafe but no provide the list of what is the issues are.
Sounds like a winner to me
Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.
1) If you are a techno geek, you will probably prefer Android. The Rooting ( Same as jailbreaking ) comunity is huge and you can find an hack for just about anything you are looking for....
2) #1 is often necessary because of Google's tendency to release things before they are fully baked. These bug are often serious and take forever to work their way into a new release. For example, the New Froyo (2.2) android update broke the ability for the phone to connect to most infrastructure Wifi systems. It also caused a very annoying distortion to any streaming Audio using the AAC+ codex ( like Pandroa on 3G ). Neither of these bug have been fixed and it will be several months before a new major release... Thank god the rooting comunity have provided some work arounds...
3) The average user would prefer the iPhone because it is more stable and requires less thechnical skill to operate.
4) I have been developing an app for both platforms and I really cannot see a hugh advantage of one over the other from a technical point of view. The enviroment for the iPhone is a little easier to use, but the when you hit a wall you are ususally stuck. With android there is usually a way around the wall. The review process is a lot easier on Android (obviously)
5) Syncing video with the Android phones sux.... No other way to put it... You can do anything you like, but it is often a multi step process and you need to understand a lot of subtile video settings...
6) I think Music is a push on the two phones. You can add/delete music and play lists with simple drag and drop on android. You have to use iTunes with the iPhone and quite franky, iTunes is not Apple's best work... ( Just try to point iTunes to a music library on a network drive drive and the "determining gapless playback" stuff will drive you nuts.... )
7) The quality of Video and photos is about even ( on the higher end Androind phones )...
8) Google navigation and Maps on Android is sweet... I know you can do most things on the iPhone, but the integration is better on Android...
9) Android wins voice commands hand down. I am often amazed and how well it works...
10) Until Android broke the infrastructure Wifi I would have given the IT edge to Android, but not now. I would say it is a slight edge for the iPhone right now....
11) Non of this will probably not matter much longer. Verizon is on a mission to kill Androind with locked down phones and putting too much VCrapware on the phones. So far two models are locked down to not allow any of the sweet Google features ( You have to root the phone to use them ) . If anything one thing can stop Andoid, it will be Verizon.....
That is just my opinion based on playing with the devices...
Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.
You still havent told me why they didnt release their findings? Im waiting.
Apple also leads in customer satisfaction, with 74 percent of respondents indicating they are "very satisfied" with their iPhone. Android came in second, with 65 percent giving such high approval.
These respondents must be from yet another unsubstantiated survey since the first completely unverifiable survey was prospective smart phone buyers. These respondents, I would assume, already have a smart phone which they are very satisfied with. Edit: For $1,500 you can purchase the details of the survey at changewave and presumably discover how they derive their statistics.
You still havent told me why they didnt release their findings? Im waiting.
You know that whole thing about there being no stupid questions? It's not true.
Good question, because that is a serious drop in iOS interest in a few months.
Thats not what this says.. They are comparing android to iPhone not to iOS. I never could understand this comparison.. They are comparing a phone to an OS that runs on many phones. What exactly is the comparison?
Same in the US. I have no idea who they're interviewing. My neighbors are all non-technical and NONE of them know what Android is. I heard a couple questions about what that Droid-thing is and that's it.
The iPhone though IS a topic of interest. I've had multiple neighbors buy them in the last few years and multiple who have talked about getting them.
Because it's software. Just like when I go to talk to my non-techie neighbors they have no clue what an "iOS" is. But if I ask these same people what the Droid X and iPhone are, they know instantly.
Apple's survival is not in question. But we're talking about a market Apple could have dominated.
Kinda like the desktop from a generation ago....
I wonder how many of those interested in Android are Verizon subscribers? How many of those, as well as those on AT&T, are sick and tired of waiting for an iPhone 4?
It would certainly be interesting to see if they asked any follow-up. Not only "which network are you on?", which would seriously influence the answer to the first question, but also asking why they made their choice...what features mattered to them (ie, a phyical keyboard, etc).
As for people not knowing what Android is...perhaps because there isn't a phone called "Android". How did the survey ask the question? "Will you buy and iPhone or an Android phone?" Many people would probably recognize the names of a lot of Android-based phones and not know they were Android based. A much higher percentage of people know that iPhone is iOS based (the "i" is a big giveaway!
Anyway, take it with a grain of salt, like all surveys, unless you know that details behind how the survey was conducted. However, it does support the notion that Android is a growing threat to Apple.
You must mean Apple. Not Google.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/41515/
I noticed that patent wasn't included in AI news...
Really? Systems and Methods for Identifying Unauthorized Users of an Electronic Device was not in AI news? You must have looked under the wrong heading of "traitorware".
AI news is not into such sensationalism. And even though it's EFF who first uttered the term, your choice of "epochtimes" as the source is very interesting, considering that their news pieces were written like Onion articles, but actually were serious about it.
Some Android apps caught covertly sending GPS data to advertisers
http://arstechnica.com/security/news...dvertisers.ars
Good question, because that is a serious drop in iOS interest in a few months.
I couldn't find the link but there was a recent study taken that said 8 million of Verizon customers would switch to the iPhone if it came to that network.