I think that many people who reply with the above comments don't know the difference.
Competition is when you make a product that is the same as everyone else's and hope that yours stands out from the crowd enough.
Innovation is when you create the same product and then everyone copies your ideas.
If these other companies really want to move the industry forward they need to innovate, not just copy but bump the specs (eg you have a 5MP camera.... we have an 8MP one etc).
If this wasn't the case then why do all the smart phones post iPhone launch look like mutant clones of the iPhone?
YES.... They learnt to use the photo copier before all other companies.
Yeah its getting annoying that people can say things like the iPhone has sold only 3 million and the Android has sold 23 million, instead of apple phone has sold x million and samsungs android phones have sold x million.
Its the same as how they compare iOS devices to android and conveniently forget the touch or iPad in their figures.
Apple is very much an innovator in the way Apple incorporated existing technology (cell phone, wireless, camera, touch-screen, accelerometer, compass, gps, etc) and merged these technologies into a single device with enormous self customization through add-ons via apps...ETC ETC as an article could go on forever in detailing this innovation-
Google has also innovated in regards to searching and compiling enormous amounts of data... areas in their example of innovation can also be detailed further.
Microsoft has perhaps innovated by selling non-innovation to the public (a plagiarism for lack of a better word - or copycat) and making their product sell millions if not billions of computers running software that wastes billions of hours due to its clunky problems as users are so often having to reinstall and troubleshoot it being told the better product or their competition Apple was lesser through spin and PC competition through their licensing their OS made them cheaper and cheaper yet cheaper.
I'm not sure that even their sham on the eyes of the public qualifies as innovation.
In fact I fail to see where they have ever innovated-well maybe their NT product-yes that was innovation - i take back my prior statement.
Adding specs as in larger memory, disk space, faster data/web, pixels does not qualify as i see as innovation.
-David
PS-Don't start throwing shoes at me-please-this is just my opinions as i see them in response to your post. I have respect for all others. Apple users, MS users and others. I use Apple, MS, and many others products so I am not a troll or fanboy but yes i am a fag.
I may be wrong but I have a feeling MS has missed the boat on this one. I also suspect MS phones will simply not be seen as 'cool' by those that care about such things.
For a company which has a monopoly in the desktop OS and office market and where they can only go downhill Microsoft has been pretty bold when it comes to aggressive introduction of new interface features lately. Who would have thought 10 years ago that Microsoft would have the balls to push out a new office version which completely breaks with its own former UI paradigm and does not even offer a downgrade path? And now they have dared to actually innovate in the mobile UI space, a place which has been dominated by the iPhone design's in the past years and nobody actually dared to move too much away from it. Don't mistake me, I think the iPhone/iPad interfaces are functional but I doubt that it is actually the last word in that matter.
I may be wrong but I have a feeling MS has missed the boat on this one. I also suspect MS phones will simply not be seen as 'cool' by those that care about such things.
Missed the boat, sure, but there is still time to catch up. With each marketshare survey I read MS still has a higher percentage than most would think. If they do have a groundbreaking solution there is certainly hope for them to take a commanding lead.
As it stands now they the most profitable licensed mobile OS on the market? but since all the others are free that wasn?t too hard to accomplish. Seriously, the one thing I give MS credit for is seemingly doing all the right things in regards to Windows Phone 7, save for the nomenclature. What I mean by that is they don?t seem to be trying to go head-to-head with the iPhone simply because it had the most mindshare, and they seem to be using a smart release schedule and alter WinMo in a way that is unlike what they?ve done in the past. For these reasons I have hope this is a new MS, at least in this division.
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Originally Posted by desarc
what better way to maximize your market share than with a line of exclusive T-Mobile devices.
I'm personally looking forward to next weeks release of windows phone 7, I'm going to show up and record the turn out for this new product and record it with my iPhone4. :-)
I'm curious as to what type of person would prefer a windows phone 7 to an iPhone or android solution.
I may be wrong but I have a feeling MS has missed the boat on this one. I also suspect MS phones will simply not be seen as 'cool' by those that care about such things.
Cool and Microsoft can't be on same page. Let alone same line.
As much as I love all my Apple-branded gadgets, I actually feel sorry for Microsoft of late due to the constant beating they are taking in the press and investment circles. I think some of the criticism is unwarranted and sometimes totally unfair.
I for one am glad that MS is rebooting their mobile ambitions. After the last major WinMo release plus the disaster that was Kin, they could have given up or just stuck with the status quo like Nokia and RIM. Instead, WinMo 7 is really a big shakeup for them as it represents a whole new way of thinking at MS, one that is, dare I say it, more Apple-like in its focus on maximizing the core experiences.
And from another perspective, if MS can meet with even a small degree of success, the competition will simply force everyone, Apple included, to work even harder to improve their offerings. I remember one columnist pointed out with iPhone 4 and iOS 4 that the onslaught of Android devices has energized Apple and really pushed them to do even more.
So part sympathy, part empathy, and part excitement, I wish MS well.
...but knowing some of the shennanigans going on internally I don't know if they have the
corporate internal fortitude to stave off what seems from all internal and external indications a long, slow slide into an historical footnote.
I do not feel sorry for Redmond at all they built their corporate culture and now have to live with their choices. They are routinely late to the table with devices and concepts that are outdated. Unlike for example Apple, who are sometimes late to the table, but bring innovative recombinant concepts that as often as not turn an industry segment on its head - or at least force a rethinking of existing concepts by their competitors.
Microsoft will be the elephant in the ballroom for some time to come, but simply putting silk ballet slippers on their feet will not make them dance any better. Apple is innovating several years into the future while others are playing catch-up. Even though Android keeps grabbing for whatever feature it can out of the basket, many of them are half-baked or make no sense. Likewise, Microsoft instead of revisiting the UI in a meaningful way and trying to develop the next generation approach ahead of Apple are content to dress the UI in hipster rags and call it innovative.
So yes I do wish them well, in fact better than I believe they are able to produce. But I also toss pennies in wishing wells. With just as much effect.
Yeah, couldn't agree more!!! Microsoft only had $16.04 billion in revenue last quarter and $4.52 billion in profit. They're TOAST!!!!!!
Nice to see you repeating the Michael Dell quote. It'll let other fanboys know you're one of them. Do you use an "elegant" Mac too??? Is everyone else's computer "clunky" and "crappy"???? I bet you "skate to where the puck is going to be", don't you????
Trust Me, Microsoft isn't going anywhere despite your childish little rant.
a truly hopeful Microsoft stockholder.
Yep no large corporation ever failed in this country due to malfeasance or incompetence *cough* *cough* *Control Data Corp*. I'm a stockholder myself with insider sources, so I want them to at least maintain their status, but a mere 16mil in revenue isn't going to keep them from falling down if they can't generate a decent amount of continued success.
Let me cite you just three examples of "recent" corporate failures that in fact far outstrip Microsoft:
>>Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. The multinational financial giant was worth a reported $691 billion when it lost most of its clients and devaluation of its assets, forcing it to fold in 2008.
>>Washington Mutual, Inc. Another victim of the 2008 economic collapse, Washington Mutual was valued at $327 billion when the bank was cleared out of $16.4 billion in hard assets in a 10-day run. This was the largest bank failure in US history.
>>WorldCom. The telecommunications company was valued at $103.9 billion when it filed for Chapter 11 in 2002, making it the largest bankruptcy filing at the time. The company had come under fire for massive fraud.
See? worth is no hedge against stupidity, carelessness, incapacity or neglect.
For a company which has a monopoly in the desktop OS and office market and where they can only go downhill Microsoft has been pretty bold when it comes to aggressive introduction of new interface features lately. Who would have thought 10 years ago that Microsoft would have the balls to push out a new office version which completely breaks with its own former UI paradigm and does not even offer a downgrade path? And now they have dared to actually innovate in the mobile UI space, a place which has been dominated by the iPhone design's in the past years and nobody actually dared to move too much away from it. Don't mistake me, I think the iPhone/iPad interfaces are functional but I doubt that it is actually the last word in that matter.
Point in fact: RIM/Blackberry is the dominant marketshare for UI in the US smartphone space, not Apple. You have mistaken marketing and uninformed commentary for reality. RIM is the marketshare target in the smartphone space, followed by Apple, Google(Android) Windows Mobile, and a host of others with lesser share.
Another point in fact: Windows Mobile platform lost the most share to Android predation.
Point in fact: 10 years ago, they had no need to innovate in the Office UI paradigm, because thery had only recently enjoyed a relative lack of competition from other office productivity platforms.
Commentary: The only "innovation" in the mobile space they have accomplished thus far is a "hipster" approach to data presentation on the screen, nothing else of the interface has changed sunstantially from previous offering once you get under the skin. This is not innovation, it is window-dressing (pun intended) and nothing more. To recap - Apple doesn't dominate the segment and never have - that is currently owned by Blackberry, whose interface is firmly rooted in the 20th century. WinPhone7 is not innovative, just nominally what Redmond thinks is hip.
Missed the boat, sure, but there is still time to catch up. With each marketshare survey I read MS still has a higher percentage than most would think. If they do have a groundbreaking solution there is certainly hope for them to take a commanding lead.
As it stands now they the most profitable licensed mobile OS on the market? but since all the others are free that wasn?t too hard to accomplish. Seriously, the one thing I give MS credit for is seemingly doing all the right things in regards to Windows Phone 7, save for the nomenclature. What I mean by that is they don?t seem to be trying to go head-to-head with the iPhone simply because it had the most mindshare, and they seem to be using a smart release schedule and alter WinMo in a way that is unlike what they?ve done in the past. For these reasons I have hope this is a new MS, at least in this division.
Touché.
Except it is not T-mobile exclusive. Their premier launch partner is ATT
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Ok guys this is getting beyond a joke.
There is competition and there is innovation.
I think that many people who reply with the above comments don't know the difference.
Competition is when you make a product that is the same as everyone else's and hope that yours stands out from the crowd enough.
Innovation is when you create the same product and then everyone copies your ideas.
If these other companies really want to move the industry forward they need to innovate, not just copy but bump the specs (eg you have a 5MP camera.... we have an 8MP one etc).
If this wasn't the case then why do all the smart phones post iPhone launch look like mutant clones of the iPhone?
YES.... They learnt to use the photo copier before all other companies.
Yeah its getting annoying that people can say things like the iPhone has sold only 3 million and the Android has sold 23 million, instead of apple phone has sold x million and samsungs android phones have sold x million.
Its the same as how they compare iOS devices to android and conveniently forget the touch or iPad in their figures.
Apple is very much an innovator in the way Apple incorporated existing technology (cell phone, wireless, camera, touch-screen, accelerometer, compass, gps, etc) and merged these technologies into a single device with enormous self customization through add-ons via apps...ETC ETC as an article could go on forever in detailing this innovation-
Google has also innovated in regards to searching and compiling enormous amounts of data... areas in their example of innovation can also be detailed further.
Microsoft has perhaps innovated by selling non-innovation to the public (a plagiarism for lack of a better word - or copycat) and making their product sell millions if not billions of computers running software that wastes billions of hours due to its clunky problems as users are so often having to reinstall and troubleshoot it being told the better product or their competition Apple was lesser through spin and PC competition through their licensing their OS made them cheaper and cheaper yet cheaper.
I'm not sure that even their sham on the eyes of the public qualifies as innovation.
In fact I fail to see where they have ever innovated-well maybe their NT product-yes that was innovation - i take back my prior statement.
Adding specs as in larger memory, disk space, faster data/web, pixels does not qualify as i see as innovation.
-David
PS-Don't start throwing shoes at me-please-this is just my opinions as i see them in response to your post. I have respect for all others. Apple users, MS users and others. I use Apple, MS, and many others products so I am not a troll or fanboy but yes i am a fag.
Seriously, can anyone recommend a web site where I can read news and rumors about Apple products? I'd really like to find such a site.
Goodbye lkrupp. We'll miss you.
I may be wrong but I have a feeling MS has missed the boat on this one. I also suspect MS phones will simply not be seen as 'cool' by those that care about such things.
Missed the boat, sure, but there is still time to catch up. With each marketshare survey I read MS still has a higher percentage than most would think. If they do have a groundbreaking solution there is certainly hope for them to take a commanding lead.
As it stands now they the most profitable licensed mobile OS on the market? but since all the others are free that wasn?t too hard to accomplish.
what better way to maximize your market share than with a line of exclusive T-Mobile devices.
Goodbye lkrupp. We'll miss you.
Just about any place would be better than this cesspool with its smarmy Windows and Android fanboys defecating on the floor.
I'm curious as to what type of person would prefer a windows phone 7 to an iPhone or android solution.
Ladies & gentlemen, start your engines, oh wait, Ballmer is 3 years late to this race.
And you know what? he is good at putting up fake race.
I may be wrong but I have a feeling MS has missed the boat on this one. I also suspect MS phones will simply not be seen as 'cool' by those that care about such things.
Cool and Microsoft can't be on same page. Let alone same line.
what better way to maximize your market share than with a line of exclusive T-Mobile devices.
bull's eye
As much as I love all my Apple-branded gadgets, I actually feel sorry for Microsoft of late due to the constant beating they are taking in the press and investment circles. I think some of the criticism is unwarranted and sometimes totally unfair.
I for one am glad that MS is rebooting their mobile ambitions. After the last major WinMo release plus the disaster that was Kin, they could have given up or just stuck with the status quo like Nokia and RIM. Instead, WinMo 7 is really a big shakeup for them as it represents a whole new way of thinking at MS, one that is, dare I say it, more Apple-like in its focus on maximizing the core experiences.
And from another perspective, if MS can meet with even a small degree of success, the competition will simply force everyone, Apple included, to work even harder to improve their offerings. I remember one columnist pointed out with iPhone 4 and iOS 4 that the onslaught of Android devices has energized Apple and really pushed them to do even more.
So part sympathy, part empathy, and part excitement, I wish MS well.
...but knowing some of the shennanigans going on internally I don't know if they have the
corporate internal fortitude to stave off what seems from all internal and external indications a long, slow slide into an historical footnote.
I do not feel sorry for Redmond at all they built their corporate culture and now have to live with their choices. They are routinely late to the table with devices and concepts that are outdated. Unlike for example Apple, who are sometimes late to the table, but bring innovative recombinant concepts that as often as not turn an industry segment on its head - or at least force a rethinking of existing concepts by their competitors.
Microsoft will be the elephant in the ballroom for some time to come, but simply putting silk ballet slippers on their feet will not make them dance any better. Apple is innovating several years into the future while others are playing catch-up. Even though Android keeps grabbing for whatever feature it can out of the basket, many of them are half-baked or make no sense. Likewise, Microsoft instead of revisiting the UI in a meaningful way and trying to develop the next generation approach ahead of Apple are content to dress the UI in hipster rags and call it innovative.
So yes I do wish them well, in fact better than I believe they are able to produce. But I also toss pennies in wishing wells. With just as much effect.
Seriously, can anyone recommend a web site where I can read news and rumors about Apple products? I'd really like to find such a site.
Sheesh. Can't talk about potential competitors at all then??
Seriously, can anyone recommend a web site where I can read news and rumors about Apple products? I'd really like to find such a site.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...e_tv_2010.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ay_lineup.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...on_target.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ompatible.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...rol_rumor.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...e_machine.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...tribution.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...nt_buyers.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._apple_tv.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._new_imac.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...evelopers.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ith_apple.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._interest.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._in_china.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ut_studio.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...a_syncing.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...four_days.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...zes_sales.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._2_report.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ad_iphone.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...mb_of_ram.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ettlement.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...d_content.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._websites.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...evelopers.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...to_the_uk.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...on_oct_26.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ple_stock.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...y_support.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._increase.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._by_apple.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ailbroken.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ted_at_43.html
Or, you could start make a crappier version 3 years too late.
That's ok with us, too.
Yeah, couldn't agree more!!! Microsoft only had $16.04 billion in revenue last quarter and $4.52 billion in profit. They're TOAST!!!!!!
Nice to see you repeating the Michael Dell quote. It'll let other fanboys know you're one of them. Do you use an "elegant" Mac too??? Is everyone else's computer "clunky" and "crappy"???? I bet you "skate to where the puck is going to be", don't you????
Trust Me, Microsoft isn't going anywhere despite your childish little rant.
a truly hopeful Microsoft stockholder.
Yep no large corporation ever failed in this country due to malfeasance or incompetence *cough* *cough* *Control Data Corp*. I'm a stockholder myself with insider sources, so I want them to at least maintain their status, but a mere 16mil in revenue isn't going to keep them from falling down if they can't generate a decent amount of continued success.
Let me cite you just three examples of "recent" corporate failures that in fact far outstrip Microsoft:
>>Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. The multinational financial giant was worth a reported $691 billion when it lost most of its clients and devaluation of its assets, forcing it to fold in 2008.
>>Washington Mutual, Inc. Another victim of the 2008 economic collapse, Washington Mutual was valued at $327 billion when the bank was cleared out of $16.4 billion in hard assets in a 10-day run. This was the largest bank failure in US history.
>>WorldCom. The telecommunications company was valued at $103.9 billion when it filed for Chapter 11 in 2002, making it the largest bankruptcy filing at the time. The company had come under fire for massive fraud.
See? worth is no hedge against stupidity, carelessness, incapacity or neglect.
For a company which has a monopoly in the desktop OS and office market and where they can only go downhill Microsoft has been pretty bold when it comes to aggressive introduction of new interface features lately. Who would have thought 10 years ago that Microsoft would have the balls to push out a new office version which completely breaks with its own former UI paradigm and does not even offer a downgrade path? And now they have dared to actually innovate in the mobile UI space, a place which has been dominated by the iPhone design's in the past years and nobody actually dared to move too much away from it. Don't mistake me, I think the iPhone/iPad interfaces are functional but I doubt that it is actually the last word in that matter.
Point in fact: RIM/Blackberry is the dominant marketshare for UI in the US smartphone space, not Apple. You have mistaken marketing and uninformed commentary for reality. RIM is the marketshare target in the smartphone space, followed by Apple, Google(Android) Windows Mobile, and a host of others with lesser share.
Another point in fact: Windows Mobile platform lost the most share to Android predation.
Point in fact: 10 years ago, they had no need to innovate in the Office UI paradigm, because thery had only recently enjoyed a relative lack of competition from other office productivity platforms.
Commentary: The only "innovation" in the mobile space they have accomplished thus far is a "hipster" approach to data presentation on the screen, nothing else of the interface has changed sunstantially from previous offering once you get under the skin. This is not innovation, it is window-dressing (pun intended) and nothing more. To recap - Apple doesn't dominate the segment and never have - that is currently owned by Blackberry, whose interface is firmly rooted in the 20th century. WinPhone7 is not innovative, just nominally what Redmond thinks is hip.
Missed the boat, sure, but there is still time to catch up. With each marketshare survey I read MS still has a higher percentage than most would think. If they do have a groundbreaking solution there is certainly hope for them to take a commanding lead.
As it stands now they the most profitable licensed mobile OS on the market? but since all the others are free that wasn?t too hard to accomplish.
Except it is not T-mobile exclusive. Their premier launch partner is ATT