Point in fact: RIM/Blackberry is the dominant marketshare for UI in the US smartphone space, not Apple. You have mistaken marketing and uninformed commentary for reality. RIM is the marketshare target in the smartphone space, followed by Apple, Google(Android) Windows Mobile, and a host of others with lesser share.
Yes, and Nokia outdoes them both internationally. Yet nobody is copying Symbian's multitude interfaces. It's apparent though that the iPhone has been a huge influence on other mobile phone makers as evidenced by most phones with a touch-driven UI which are mostly adapted from the iPhone.
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Point in fact: 10 years ago, they had no need to innovate in the Office UI paradigm, because thery had only recently enjoyed a relative lack of competition from other office productivity platforms.
They weren't under any pressure to radically change the UI of one of their flagship products either. It was done preemptively in order to out-innovate OpenOffice *before* it has the chance to become a serious competitor (not to forget the underhanded way Microsoft standardized OpenXML). And it was a big risk given their conservative cooperate clients and millions of users who learned to live with the old Office UI.
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Apple doesn't dominate the segment and never have - that is currently owned by Blackberry, whose interface is firmly rooted in the 20th century. WinPhone7 is not innovative, just nominally what Redmond thinks is hip.
As I hinted before, I'm afraid you are confusing market share with being an innovation leader which Apple currently clearly is with the iPhone. The Windows 7 Phone AFAIK is the first smartphone to deviate from it significantly.
Everyone here who is hoping for WP7 to fail doesn't see the big picture.
Repeat after me: Competition breeds innovation. Keep saying that over and over until it sinks in.
Competition. Breeds. Innovation.
Every platform to follow iPhone has been a copycat platform. And so-called open platforms like Android are being smothered by the carrier's incessant need to inject their own branding, resulting in bloatware and a reduced feature set. Besides Apple, Microsoft is the only other company innovating in the mobile space right now. Love them or hate them, it's that innovation that's going to make iOS5 as fresh as it was when the first iPhone dropped.
By the way, it's interesting that just about every pro-apple rag out there is excited about Microsoft's UI, saying it makes Springboard look like a relic in comparison. Personally, I love the idea of being able to see when my next appointment is without having to jump through a zillion hoops first. (It's the little things, you know)
Everyone here who is hoping for WP7 to fail doesn't see the big picture.
Repeat after me: Competition breeds innovation. Keep saying that over and over until it sinks in.
Competition. Breeds. Innovation.
Every platform to follow iPhone has been a copycat platform. And so-called open platforms like Android are being smothered by the carrier's incessant need to inject their own branding, resulting in bloatware and a reduced feature set. Besides Apple, Microsoft is the only other company innovating in the mobile space right now. Love them or hate them, it's that innovation that's going to make iOS5 as fresh as it was when the first iPhone dropped.
By the way, it's interesting that just about every pro-apple rag out there is excited about Microsoft's UI, saying it makes Springboard look like a relic in comparison. Personally, I love the idea of being able to see when my next appointment is without having to jump through a zillion hoops first. (It's the little things, you know)
Not to be a stickler but I’d say that "innovation begets innovation”.
Also, competition in and of itself may not bring about the type of innovation one might expect. For example, look at the low end of the PC market. These $400 PCs are very innovative although many won’t see it as we tend to look toward technological innovations when we hear the term, yet these PC makers have fighting their way to the bottom by innovating new ways to cut corners thereby cutting cuts and adding selling crap-ware space thereby adding a sliver of profit to an otherwise profit-less machine. HP has done especially well on this front which makes it a shame they lost their CEO.
I can see that, but I?ve talked with several people who work in tech related areas in large enterprises and the WP7 offers things that Android, BB OS and iOS doesn?t. Namely, the Windows development platform. iOS is popular, easy and cheap but many of these companies have developers that know MS products, have consultants that do, and therefore can (or at least think) WP7 can offer them some cost savings.
Add in the fact they can do what they do with PCs and let HW vendors fight over contracts because they all run the same OS. With iOS and BB OS you have to use the RiM or Apple device. This isn?t nearly the issue it is with PCs, but there is still enough reason for corporations to consider this angle. Android is surprising popular in the enterprise according to a recent article I read yet every company I?m associated with won?t support it due to its inherently security issues.
So many dont understand this. The corporate world did not even consider iPhone until Apple licensed ActiveSync and all that goes with it (remote wipe, policies, enterprise tool)from Microsoft. Until then RIM and WinMO were the corporate choices. iPhone became popular with corporations after it got on board with Exchange and mostly because WinMO and RIM were way behind in the UI game.
Windows Phone 7 is every bit as good from a UI perspective, better IMHO. It will be more compatible with Exchange and hook into Office/Sharepoint/.NET parts of large corporations even better. Being on my providers both cell and hardware will make it cheaper and more avalible than the iPhone to corporations.
Between Android and WP7 the iPhone will eventually be #3 or 4 behind RIM, Android and WP7 in short time.
Yep no large corporation ever failed in this country due to malfeasance or incompetence *cough* *cough* *Control Data Corp*. I'm a stockholder myself with insider sources, so I want them to at least maintain their status, but a mere 16mil in revenue isn't going to keep them from falling down if they can't generate a decent amount of continued success.
Let me cite you just three examples of "recent" corporate failures that in fact far outstrip Microsoft:
>>Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. The multinational financial giant was worth a reported $691 billion when it lost most of its clients and devaluation of its assets, forcing it to fold in 2008.
>>Washington Mutual, Inc. Another victim of the 2008 economic collapse, Washington Mutual was valued at $327 billion when the bank was cleared out of $16.4 billion in hard assets in a 10-day run. This was the largest bank failure in US history.
>>WorldCom. The telecommunications company was valued at $103.9 billion when it filed for Chapter 11 in 2002, making it the largest bankruptcy filing at the time. The company had come under fire for massive fraud.
See? worth is no hedge against stupidity, carelessness, incapacity or neglect.
Your examples are lame at best. All of them are either part of a system/sector collapse (1 and 2) of massive fraud #3 or both. Microsoft makes real money vs the market cap virtual world. Its not going anywhere anytime. If all consumers dumped Microsoft products it still would make money with all of its corporate, goverment and educational ties.
what better way to maximize your market share than with a line of exclusive T-Mobile devices.
Unlike the iPhone in the US, WP7 will be on all GSM provders in the US from day 1, T-mobile and ATT. Next year it will be on Sprint and Verizon, Microsoft has said as much.
Of course you can read Macrumors and Apple Insider about when the iPhone will be on other US providers but that will only be a rumor since Apple wont say anything.
I remember one columnist pointed out with iPhone 4 and iOS 4 that the onslaught of Android devices has energized Apple and really pushed them to do even more.
Yeah, like Android pushed Apple to release the iPhone.
Er, wait...
No, it was Windows Mobile that pushed Apple to release the iPhone.
Er, wait - well, yes - but not because it was a worthy competitor - quite the opposite
No, it was Blackberry that pushed Apple to release the iPhone.
Er, wait - no it wasn't.
Face it, Apple is the one pushing companies to innovate, not the other way around. Columnists and faceless Internet forum jockey's can wax poetic about competition forcing Apple to innovate all they want but they are collectively talking out their butt. Apple marches to their own drum, and it's working darn well.
For the record you have to check out this interview with Paul Thurrott. Not only is it funny, but seriously as well, Paul Thurrott claims Windows Phone 7 will surpass RIM and Symbian to sit at NO.3 behind iOS and Android.
Prepare to be awed by the Mediocrity that is Windows anything. I'm sitting here racking my brain.... has MS ever done a single original anything?????
I think if you actually have a look at Windows Phone 7, you'll note that it's pretty damn original.
Whether it is better than the iPhone is another matter entirely, but one thing that even fan boys like yourself should be able to give them credit for is the fact that unlike Android, they have not just gone out and copied Apple on this one.
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Point in fact: RIM/Blackberry is the dominant marketshare for UI in the US smartphone space, not Apple. You have mistaken marketing and uninformed commentary for reality. RIM is the marketshare target in the smartphone space, followed by Apple, Google(Android) Windows Mobile, and a host of others with lesser share.
Yes, and Nokia outdoes them both internationally. Yet nobody is copying Symbian's multitude interfaces.
Point in fact: 10 years ago, they had no need to innovate in the Office UI paradigm, because thery had only recently enjoyed a relative lack of competition from other office productivity platforms.
They weren't under any pressure to radically change the UI of one of their flagship products either. It was done preemptively in order to out-innovate OpenOffice *before* it has the chance to become a serious competitor (not to forget the underhanded way Microsoft standardized OpenXML). And it was a big risk given their conservative cooperate clients and millions of users who learned to live with the old Office UI.
Apple doesn't dominate the segment and never have - that is currently owned by Blackberry, whose interface is firmly rooted in the 20th century. WinPhone7 is not innovative, just nominally what Redmond thinks is hip.
As I hinted before, I'm afraid you are confusing market share with being an innovation leader which Apple currently clearly is with the iPhone. The Windows 7 Phone AFAIK is the first smartphone to deviate from it significantly.
Repeat after me: Competition breeds innovation. Keep saying that over and over until it sinks in.
Competition. Breeds. Innovation.
Every platform to follow iPhone has been a copycat platform. And so-called open platforms like Android are being smothered by the carrier's incessant need to inject their own branding, resulting in bloatware and a reduced feature set. Besides Apple, Microsoft is the only other company innovating in the mobile space right now. Love them or hate them, it's that innovation that's going to make iOS5 as fresh as it was when the first iPhone dropped.
By the way, it's interesting that just about every pro-apple rag out there is excited about Microsoft's UI, saying it makes Springboard look like a relic in comparison. Personally, I love the idea of being able to see when my next appointment is without having to jump through a zillion hoops first. (It's the little things, you know)
Everyone here who is hoping for WP7 to fail doesn't see the big picture.
Repeat after me: Competition breeds innovation. Keep saying that over and over until it sinks in.
Competition. Breeds. Innovation.
Every platform to follow iPhone has been a copycat platform. And so-called open platforms like Android are being smothered by the carrier's incessant need to inject their own branding, resulting in bloatware and a reduced feature set. Besides Apple, Microsoft is the only other company innovating in the mobile space right now. Love them or hate them, it's that innovation that's going to make iOS5 as fresh as it was when the first iPhone dropped.
By the way, it's interesting that just about every pro-apple rag out there is excited about Microsoft's UI, saying it makes Springboard look like a relic in comparison. Personally, I love the idea of being able to see when my next appointment is without having to jump through a zillion hoops first. (It's the little things, you know)
Not to be a stickler but I’d say that "innovation begets innovation”.
Also, competition in and of itself may not bring about the type of innovation one might expect. For example, look at the low end of the PC market. These $400 PCs are very innovative although many won’t see it as we tend to look toward technological innovations when we hear the term, yet these PC makers have fighting their way to the bottom by innovating new ways to cut corners thereby cutting cuts and adding selling crap-ware space thereby adding a sliver of profit to an otherwise profit-less machine. HP has done especially well on this front which makes it a shame they lost their CEO.
I can see that, but I?ve talked with several people who work in tech related areas in large enterprises and the WP7 offers things that Android, BB OS and iOS doesn?t. Namely, the Windows development platform. iOS is popular, easy and cheap but many of these companies have developers that know MS products, have consultants that do, and therefore can (or at least think) WP7 can offer them some cost savings.
Add in the fact they can do what they do with PCs and let HW vendors fight over contracts because they all run the same OS. With iOS and BB OS you have to use the RiM or Apple device. This isn?t nearly the issue it is with PCs, but there is still enough reason for corporations to consider this angle. Android is surprising popular in the enterprise according to a recent article I read yet every company I?m associated with won?t support it due to its inherently security issues.
So many dont understand this. The corporate world did not even consider iPhone until Apple licensed ActiveSync and all that goes with it (remote wipe, policies, enterprise tool)from Microsoft. Until then RIM and WinMO were the corporate choices. iPhone became popular with corporations after it got on board with Exchange and mostly because WinMO and RIM were way behind in the UI game.
Windows Phone 7 is every bit as good from a UI perspective, better IMHO. It will be more compatible with Exchange and hook into Office/Sharepoint/.NET parts of large corporations even better. Being on my providers both cell and hardware will make it cheaper and more avalible than the iPhone to corporations.
Between Android and WP7 the iPhone will eventually be #3 or 4 behind RIM, Android and WP7 in short time.
a truly hopeful Microsoft stockholder.
Yep no large corporation ever failed in this country due to malfeasance or incompetence *cough* *cough* *Control Data Corp*. I'm a stockholder myself with insider sources, so I want them to at least maintain their status, but a mere 16mil in revenue isn't going to keep them from falling down if they can't generate a decent amount of continued success.
Let me cite you just three examples of "recent" corporate failures that in fact far outstrip Microsoft:
>>Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. The multinational financial giant was worth a reported $691 billion when it lost most of its clients and devaluation of its assets, forcing it to fold in 2008.
>>Washington Mutual, Inc. Another victim of the 2008 economic collapse, Washington Mutual was valued at $327 billion when the bank was cleared out of $16.4 billion in hard assets in a 10-day run. This was the largest bank failure in US history.
>>WorldCom. The telecommunications company was valued at $103.9 billion when it filed for Chapter 11 in 2002, making it the largest bankruptcy filing at the time. The company had come under fire for massive fraud.
See? worth is no hedge against stupidity, carelessness, incapacity or neglect.
Your examples are lame at best. All of them are either part of a system/sector collapse (1 and 2) of massive fraud #3 or both. Microsoft makes real money vs the market cap virtual world. Its not going anywhere anytime. If all consumers dumped Microsoft products it still would make money with all of its corporate, goverment and educational ties.
what better way to maximize your market share than with a line of exclusive T-Mobile devices.
Unlike the iPhone in the US, WP7 will be on all GSM provders in the US from day 1, T-mobile and ATT. Next year it will be on Sprint and Verizon, Microsoft has said as much.
Of course you can read Macrumors and Apple Insider about when the iPhone will be on other US providers but that will only be a rumor since Apple wont say anything.
I remember one columnist pointed out with iPhone 4 and iOS 4 that the onslaught of Android devices has energized Apple and really pushed them to do even more.
Yeah, like Android pushed Apple to release the iPhone.
Er, wait...
No, it was Windows Mobile that pushed Apple to release the iPhone.
Er, wait - well, yes - but not because it was a worthy competitor - quite the opposite
No, it was Blackberry that pushed Apple to release the iPhone.
Er, wait - no it wasn't.
Face it, Apple is the one pushing companies to innovate, not the other way around. Columnists and faceless Internet forum jockey's can wax poetic about competition forcing Apple to innovate all they want but they are collectively talking out their butt. Apple marches to their own drum, and it's working darn well.
Except it is not T-mobile exclusive. Their premier launch partner is ATT
Doh! I knew I should have verified that before posting.
Doh! I knew I should have verified that before posting.
No problem, we all make mistakes.
Heh. These aren't the droids, er, thread you're looking for. You wanna go here: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=113556
Woot?.. what happened?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9r9ZkqLMSs
Prepare to be awed by the Mediocrity that is Windows anything. I'm sitting here racking my brain.... has MS ever done a single original anything?????
I think if you actually have a look at Windows Phone 7, you'll note that it's pretty damn original.
Whether it is better than the iPhone is another matter entirely, but one thing that even fan boys like yourself should be able to give them credit for is the fact that unlike Android, they have not just gone out and copied Apple on this one.