I saw the Millenium Falcon in a movie quite awhile ago. I think I'm going to file a patent for it and wait for someone to make it. After all, it was in a movie, so it's not like it's going to be new when it comes out for real anyway.
Exactly ... But ... I have to think the guy was kidding ... I hope so anyway
Yes, but Apple also bought Finger works, which had patents for the earlier multi-touch innovations. By extension, Apple owns those patents as well. Smart move on Apple's part. Again, you can patent two different ways of achieving the same result.
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Had also been around since the early 90s making it a bit odd for apple to now have a patent on it. Or is it really perfectly acceptable just to add the words "on a portable device" to the end of an idea and its considered completely new.
I think Apple and Microsoft are going to continue to pepper a lot of the smaller manufacturers with lawsuits. HP might get in on the action as well with their Palm patent portfolio.
It's probably the one thing that is going to hold back Android a little bit.
thats why apple and ms are evil and should be avoided till they change their attitude.
I think Apple and Microsoft are going to continue to pepper a lot of the smaller manufacturers with lawsuits. HP might get in on the action as well with their Palm patent portfolio.
It's probably the one thing that is going to hold back Android a little bit.
I heard people say that Industrial Revolution was made by the use of patents,
Now you are saying it is against creativity (hardly in electronics, maybe in the pharm. industry)?
If Apple patented Mac back them, i am sure Microsoft would have made windows better!
I think Apple and Microsoft are going to continue to pepper a lot of the smaller manufacturers with lawsuits. HP might get in on the action as well with their Palm patent portfolio.
It's probably the one thing that is going to hold back Android a little bit.
But it seems to me that, for the most part, Apple uses its patent portfolio as a means of defense, not just to go on the offensive. Apple is certainly aggressive when it comes to protecting it's trademark and copyrights, but I think most of its patent lawsuits have been in the form of counter-suits after another company has fired the first shot.
It remains to be seen how Apple will leverage these newly granted patents. Will they go on the offensive against other companies? Or will they hold the patents as a deterent to prevent other companies from filing lawsuits against Apple?
Perhaps the phrase "mutli touch" wasn't obvious enough for you?
Care to cite a single example of two fingers, styli or anything else working together to create a zoom effect before the iPhone?
Sure, pan and zoom with a keyboard, mouse or some other combination of the two is old hat - but what the iPhone had - multi-touch - two or more fingers creating gestures like pinch to zoom was and now is unique. It's obvious now, but apparently it wasn't that obvious pre-iPhone or someone else would have got there first (or bought the company Apple did for the would-be wise a$$es out there)
That's more like move finger to select, not pinch to zoom. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. Not to mention this is a camera based object tracking input, not a touch sensitive screen.
That's more like move finger to select, not pinch to zoom. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. Not to mention this is a camera based object tracking input, not a touch sensitive screen.
You must realize that the patent does not only include the act of "pinch and zoom", but the method. Their patent will relate to how the hardware is able to detect more than one finger. Apple not only created the multi-touch method, the idea and the implementation, but had done it so well, that several reviews and tests have shown the iPhone to have superior resolution of the placement of the fingers compared to other phones. When something is done so well, we think it is easy and intuitive. This is what sets Apple apart from the others. They strive for intuitiveness in all of their designs.
Look, the iPhone has a shake to undo feature that could also be compared to Ohio Art's Etch-A-Sketch, but since the method of the act is different, I don't think Apple's lawyers are afraid of getting a letter from Ohio Art anytime soon. (then again....)
I still think Apple will start suing the other phone manufacturers and maybe Google at some point. Might as well wait until there are plenty of devices out there before they pull the trigger, so it will make it worth their effort. Why sue when there are only 30-40 million devices, when you can wait a while and sue when there are 200 million. This way, they can cover their lawyer's fees with that kind of settlement.
The pinch-to-zoom patent isn't on pinch-to-zoom. It's a very specific implementation of pinch-to-zoom that includes a release and secondary pinch-to-zoom within a specific period of time. If someone else's pinch-to-zoom doesn't look for a release then attempt to detect another pinch-to-zoom within that window of time, Apple's patent isn't being infringed upon. So the chance of other phones with pinch-to-zoom infringing is actually pretty low.
Had also been around since the early 90s making it a bit odd for apple to now have a patent on it. Or is it really perfectly acceptable just to add the words "on a portable device" to the end of an idea and its considered completely new.
The problem with the general points in this thread is they are based on the AppleInsider article and not the patent itself. ...
I'm glad someone finally pointed out that it's the way this article inexpertly and incorrectly summarises the patent that is at fault.
From what I've read of some summaries of the patents over at Patently Apple, I take this decision to basically equate to:
If your not Apple ...
- you can't use the term "multi-touch" at all.
- you *can* use "touch"
- you *can* use scrolling, but not "inertial scrolling" with the snapback
- you *can* use swipes, and touch buttons
- you *can* use pinch to zoom, but only alone, & in a very simple way.
and here's the kicker...
Everything else seems patented by Apple especially if we are talking mobile electronic devices. So every other two finger gesture you can think of (rotating, etc.) and every three or four finger gesture would appear to be off limits.
Which all sounds pretty fair to me given the history of multi-touch and Jeff Han and Fingerworks etc.
Come on, stop playin' dumb. You're giving us Vancouverites a bad name ..... oh, wait a minute, ... maybe you're not playin' ...... \
Not playing dumb, just having some fun with the local trolls who actually think Apple invented & came up with the idea of 'pinch to zoom' on a computer device... which they didn't.
Might I note it's the same morons who whine and bitch every time Apple is sued, about how messed up the patent system is... Yet cheer when Apple gets their own ridiculous patents.
A patent on the multi-touch technology I agree with.
A patent on finger gestures... That's absurd.
I have a few Apple shares and cheer for them as well... But I'm not about to celebrate the US patent office decisions to pass everything that cross's their desk.
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I saw the Millenium Falcon in a movie quite awhile ago. I think I'm going to file a patent for it and wait for someone to make it. After all, it was in a movie, so it's not like it's going to be new when it comes out for real anyway.
Exactly ... But ... I have to think the guy was kidding ... I hope so anyway
Pinch to zoom seems kind of intuitive for any device..
Had also been around since the early 90s making it a bit odd for apple to now have a patent on it. Or is it really perfectly acceptable just to add the words "on a portable device" to the end of an idea and its considered completely new.
Seen it way before the iphone in movies. About as 'unique' as a dog with 4 legs.
No you didn't. You saw a bunch of special effects in those moves. Not an actual implementation of the idea.
It seems crazy doesn't it?!?!
I think Apple and Microsoft are going to continue to pepper a lot of the smaller manufacturers with lawsuits. HP might get in on the action as well with their Palm patent portfolio.
It's probably the one thing that is going to hold back Android a little bit.
thats why apple and ms are evil and should be avoided till they change their attitude.
It seems crazy doesn't it?!?!
I think Apple and Microsoft are going to continue to pepper a lot of the smaller manufacturers with lawsuits. HP might get in on the action as well with their Palm patent portfolio.
It's probably the one thing that is going to hold back Android a little bit.
I heard people say that Industrial Revolution was made by the use of patents,
Now you are saying it is against creativity (hardly in electronics, maybe in the pharm. industry)?
If Apple patented Mac back them, i am sure Microsoft would have made windows better!
Time to go kick some serious Android ***, Apple!
Woo-hoo!
It seems crazy doesn't it?!?!
I think Apple and Microsoft are going to continue to pepper a lot of the smaller manufacturers with lawsuits. HP might get in on the action as well with their Palm patent portfolio.
It's probably the one thing that is going to hold back Android a little bit.
But it seems to me that, for the most part, Apple uses its patent portfolio as a means of defense, not just to go on the offensive. Apple is certainly aggressive when it comes to protecting it's trademark and copyrights, but I think most of its patent lawsuits have been in the form of counter-suits after another company has fired the first shot.
It remains to be seen how Apple will leverage these newly granted patents. Will they go on the offensive against other companies? Or will they hold the patents as a deterent to prevent other companies from filing lawsuits against Apple?
You can only patent the implementation of an idea.
Sure, pinch to zoom in and out is a great idea and has been around for a long time. Apple implemented it and got a patent on that implementation.
Hard to understand?
Perhaps the phrase "mutli touch" wasn't obvious enough for you?
Care to cite a single example of two fingers, styli or anything else working together to create a zoom effect before the iPhone?
Sure, pan and zoom with a keyboard, mouse or some other combination of the two is old hat - but what the iPhone had - multi-touch - two or more fingers creating gestures like pinch to zoom was and now is unique. It's obvious now, but apparently it wasn't that obvious pre-iPhone or someone else would have got there first (or bought the company Apple did for the would-be wise a$$es out there)
wise up
1991
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8lCetZ_57g
apple has patented a specific implementation but the fact is they didn't 'invent' the technology or the idea.
wise up
1991
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8lCetZ_57g
That's more like move finger to select, not pinch to zoom. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. Not to mention this is a camera based object tracking input, not a touch sensitive screen.
That's more like move finger to select, not pinch to zoom. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. Not to mention this is a camera based object tracking input, not a touch sensitive screen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch
some more for you. get the idea?
MS could take this to court and get it killed i imagine. so don't see apple going after ms anytime soon.
Look, the iPhone has a shake to undo feature that could also be compared to Ohio Art's Etch-A-Sketch, but since the method of the act is different, I don't think Apple's lawyers are afraid of getting a letter from Ohio Art anytime soon. (then again....)
I still think Apple will start suing the other phone manufacturers and maybe Google at some point. Might as well wait until there are plenty of devices out there before they pull the trigger, so it will make it worth their effort. Why sue when there are only 30-40 million devices, when you can wait a while and sue when there are 200 million. This way, they can cover their lawyer's fees with that kind of settlement.
The pinch-to-zoom patent isn't on pinch-to-zoom. It's a very specific implementation of pinch-to-zoom that includes a release and secondary pinch-to-zoom within a specific period of time. If someone else's pinch-to-zoom doesn't look for a release then attempt to detect another pinch-to-zoom within that window of time, Apple's patent isn't being infringed upon. So the chance of other phones with pinch-to-zoom infringing is actually pretty low.
Time to do a little more homework, guys.
Care to cite a single example of two fingers, styli or anything else working together to create a zoom effect before the iPhone?
Uhm... Jeff Han's demo at TED Conference 2006?
http://m.youtube.com/index?client=mv...&v=QKh1Rv0PlOQ
Had also been around since the early 90s making it a bit odd for apple to now have a patent on it. Or is it really perfectly acceptable just to add the words "on a portable device" to the end of an idea and its considered completely new.
Just curious but which product used this?
Seriously what a loser fan boy.
What does that make you for posting on an Apple "Fan boy" forum? Just sayin'
The problem with the general points in this thread is they are based on the AppleInsider article and not the patent itself. ...
I'm glad someone finally pointed out that it's the way this article inexpertly and incorrectly summarises the patent that is at fault.
From what I've read of some summaries of the patents over at Patently Apple, I take this decision to basically equate to:
If your not Apple ...
- you can't use the term "multi-touch" at all.
- you *can* use "touch"
- you *can* use scrolling, but not "inertial scrolling" with the snapback
- you *can* use swipes, and touch buttons
- you *can* use pinch to zoom, but only alone, & in a very simple way.
and here's the kicker...
Everything else seems patented by Apple especially if we are talking mobile electronic devices. So every other two finger gesture you can think of (rotating, etc.) and every three or four finger gesture would appear to be off limits.
Which all sounds pretty fair to me given the history of multi-touch and Jeff Han and Fingerworks etc.
Seen it way before the iphone in movies. About as 'unique' as a dog with 4 legs.
Come on, stop playin' dumb. You're giving us Vancouverites a bad name ..... oh, wait a minute, ... maybe you're not playin' ......
Come on, stop playin' dumb. You're giving us Vancouverites a bad name ..... oh, wait a minute, ... maybe you're not playin' ......
Not playing dumb, just having some fun with the local trolls who actually think Apple invented & came up with the idea of 'pinch to zoom' on a computer device... which they didn't.
Might I note it's the same morons who whine and bitch every time Apple is sued, about how messed up the patent system is... Yet cheer when Apple gets their own ridiculous patents.
A patent on the multi-touch technology I agree with.
A patent on finger gestures... That's absurd.
I have a few Apple shares and cheer for them as well... But I'm not about to celebrate the US patent office decisions to pass everything that cross's their desk.