More details surface on Apple's next-generation MacBook Airs

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  • Reply 41 of 110
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    APple will never go to an ARM instruction set as the primary processor in a Mac. It isn't even remotely possible. Such a machine would be so underpowered they would loose most of their customer base overnight. I just don't think people realize the vast difference in performance we would see when offering up these ideas.



    An iOS based netbook would be another thing, but it would get zero traction in the Mac market.



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    Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post


    So yes, there's all kind of buzz about the next-gen MacBook Air. But I wouldn't be surprised if Steve shocked us with some avant-garde Mac OS and Mac news too. I think we're all expecting some kind of hybridization of iOS multi-touch and traditional Mac OS X. Steve will probably lay out the groundwork for that, starting with 10.7. (And I would expect 10.7 to be the final revision of Mac OS X before Mac OS 11, or whatever it will be called. Hence the codename "Lion," the ultimate Big Cat.)



    The Mac is almost certain to adopt some Touch technologies in the future. This is so likely that I don't see it as worthy of Jobs time on stage.



    As to OS Ten well there are plenty more revisions possible.

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    But what about hardware? The event's title is "Back to the Mac," which could imply some kind of hardware feature migration from iDevices "back to" iMacs, Mac Pros, and MacBooks. I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of the laptops (if anything) announced at the event will use an A4 or more advanced custom variant of the ARM reference design.



    Extremely unlikely.

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    Apple didn't spend $278 million acquiring PA Semi just to have them warm over the ARM chip for iPhone, Apple TV, iPad, and iPod touch. (Intrinsity, which Apple acquired more recently, did all that iDevice tweaking.)



    Yes they did! Well at least in part they did. PA Semi was rumored to be part of the Mac business unit.

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    So maybe Steve will announce Apple's plan to split from Intel. A true, custom Apple-proprietary chip would give Apple independence from the Intels and AMDs of the world. Apple wouldn't need to wait for Intel to release new chips to everyone. And a proprietary chip would kill the "hackintosh" market dead.



    Apple has no desire to kill the hackentosh world. They are only concerned about people makng money off of their OS. The hackentosh world has actually helped Apple over the last few years.

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    It would also lower Apple's hardware production costs somewhat. Especially if their custom chip could be scaled from iPod touch up to medium-level MacBooks. There might always be Xserves and Mac Pros running Intel chips, for heavy number crunching and render farms.



    Without binary compatibility such machines would be useless.

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    But the consumer portables and desktops could eventually be migrated to a proprietary Apple system on a chip.



    Of course, that would require a huge amount of work on iOS and/or Mac OS. But that's what Apple is good at. Trying many variations, pruning the choices down, then picking the best possible solution and polishing it until it's ready for release.



    Actually little effort is likely required. First; OS/X is Unix. Second; Apple most likely keeps OS/X running on a number of platforms as a matter of policy. Third; iOS and OS/X share much in the way of code already, the difference isn't as big as people imagine.

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    All that hardware and software blood, sweat, and tears would be worth it. Apple would finally have their own ultra-efficient hardware custom made for, and tightly integrated with, their own OS. The end result being, of course, the best user experience on the planet.



    Now you have gone overboard with the fanboy ranting. Apple won't be able to beat Intels or even AMDs cost advantages due to volume anytime soon.
  • Reply 42 of 110
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member
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    Originally Posted by drewfreemanrph View Post


    Who is Apple pitching this product towards? It's underpowered, short on space and input devices. It's not for me. I like to crunch video, and audio with my computer. That's never going to happen with an underpowered thing like the Air. I have too many things that I want to connect to my computer, the Air loses again here. I'm usually doing several things at once. I'm still amazed that I don't have to use multifinder... I would never want to go back to a computer that needs to use multifinder.



    I'm sure it's the wave of the future.



    1) This is still all rumor and speculation.

    2) Obviously this wouldn't and shouldn't be a computer for you. You want features and capabilities in a MacBook Air form factor which isn't going to happen (this year or next year at least). When you make an ultrathin and light computer designed for maximum portability you can't include everything without driving the price through the roof which vastly reduces, if not eliminates, its' target market.

    3) If you needed a bulldozer would you complain when a new sports car rumor about XYZ car company was printed because it can't do everything the bulldozer does?
  • Reply 43 of 110
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    Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post


    The special event is about Mac OS X 10.7 and the future of Macs.



    So yes, there's all kind of buzz about the next-gen MacBook Air. But I wouldn't be surprised if Steve shocked us with some avant-garde Mac OS and Mac news too. I think we're all expecting some kind of hybridization of iOS multi-touch and traditional Mac OS X. Steve will probably lay out the groundwork for that, starting with 10.7.



    When you put it as "the future of Macs", it widens the possibilities significantly further than "our attention is back on Macs".



    What we'll hear about "Lion"(?) intrigues me. With Snow Leopard they said the upgrade was under the hood and for developers, mostly. Perhaps Lion doesn't require a huge lead up for developers as it's more focussed on new user interaction methods.



    Lion could be closer to release than we imagine, even though my "realistic" thought is a year off. Then again I'm hoping Lion and the new data centre will be intimately connected, so it may be linked to that (and possibly wouldn't need much developer involvement in such an OS release?



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    But what about hardware? The event's title is "Back to the Mac," which could imply some kind of hardware feature migration from iDevices "back to" iMacs, Mac Pros, and MacBooks. I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of the laptops (if anything) announced at the event will use an A4 or more advanced custom variant of the ARM reference design.



    Yes I think it could be. Or it could relate to "Back to my Mac" and doing a remote desktop from an iOS device to your home Mac.



    So now to get back to the MacBook Air rumours



    If they are truly going to have 2 Airs, could the 13" be Intel, while the 11" is ARM based? Both configured almost identically - Mail, Calendar, iWork, iLife... both with touch, even both syncing back to a master Mac? Further to that could a MBA use a terminal back to a faster master mac (or Apple's data centre)?, or use Xgrid to get heavy processing done elsewhere?
  • Reply 44 of 110
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by drewfreemanrph View Post


    Who is Apple pitching this product towards?



    To me and everyone like me who already has everything else that Apple makes and still has some money left over.
  • Reply 45 of 110
    kolchakkolchak Posts: 1,398member
    This is Apple's netbook. Okay, a $1000 netbook, but it's not like that hasn't been done before. Sony had their Vaio P in the same price range.
  • Reply 46 of 110
    sheffsheff Posts: 1,407member
    I dunno. 13 inch laptop is a perfect size for me, anything smaller just feels too small, even the 12 inch MBPs from back in the day.



    It would be nice if they simply bumped the specs plus a 3g/4g connection for the 13 incher.
  • Reply 47 of 110
    aiolosaiolos Posts: 228member
    To all those speculating extensively (i.e. ), the "Back to the Mac" moniker could just simply mean that the keynote and event will focus on the Mac platform in terms of a preview of 10.7 and new hardware releases (new MacBook Air + possibly refreshed MacBook's and MacBook Pro's in time for the holiday season). I think, as always, people are reading way way too much into this. I could be wrong but I think people need to get off the kool-aid and just wake up.
  • Reply 48 of 110
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    To me and everyone like me who already has everything else that Apple makes and still has some money left over.



    Ditto...except for the "money left over" bit!
  • Reply 49 of 110
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    I'm certain that specifications will improve from the April prototype. Certainly 4GB of RAM is mandatory. The SSD should be pretty fast as well.



    This 'wedgier' MacBook Air with 2 USB ports and an SD port certainly removes one of the issues people had with the non-expandability of the previous model.



    A lower price would also be good, if Apple can't get a faster CPU because they're stuck with 45nm Core 2 Duos because of Intel's empire building with the Core i3/i5 integrated graphics.



    4 GB RAM would be nice - I have a Mini with 2 GBs and when using more than 3-4 programs I get a beachball quite often....

    But this machine would be a great replacement for my 12' PowerBook G4. ;-)
  • Reply 50 of 110
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by gabberattack View Post


    4 GB RAM would be nice - I have a Mini with 2 GBs and when using more than 3-4 programs I get a beachball quite often....

    But this machine would be a great replacement for my 12' PowerBook G4. ;-)



    How are you certain it?s because of insufficient RAM?
  • Reply 51 of 110
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aiolos View Post


    To all those speculating extensively (i.e. ), the "Back to the Mac" moniker could just simply mean that the keynote and event will focus on the Mac platform in terms of a preview of 10.7 and new hardware releases (new MacBook Air + possibly refreshed MacBook's and MacBook Pro's in time for the holiday season). I think, as always, people are reading way way too much into this. I could be wrong but I think people need to get off the kool-aid and just wake up.



    That’s what I’m thinking. 10.7 demo, iLife and iWork ’11, a new HW demo, and some other incidentals.
  • Reply 52 of 110
    bertpbertp Posts: 274member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aiolos View Post


    To all those speculating extensively (i.e. ), the "Back to the Mac" moniker could just simply mean that the keynote and event will focus on the Mac platform in terms of a preview of 10.7 and new hardware releases (new MacBook Air + possibly refreshed MacBook's and MacBook Pro's in time for the holiday season). I think, as always, people are reading way way too much into this. I could be wrong but I think people need to get off the kool-aid and just wake up.



    I agree. Once I see the next Mac OS demo, then I can start extrapolating, because I'll have a better idea of the direction Apple is going. Snow Leopard was considered a foundation to build on. I would expect the next Mac OS release to be more user focused…but there are multiple directions Apple could emphasize in the next release. I have no doubt functionality will continue to be transferred between iOS and Mac OS X, but this merger talk makes no sense. These OSs are siblings with their own defined approaches to deal with the great range in hardware, and two types of user interaction.
  • Reply 53 of 110
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    Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post


    I wouldn't be surprised if the mixed messages (11.6" vs. 13.3", compact SSD-like mass storage, etc.) indicate multiple models. Not just different-sized MacBook Airs, but a MacBook Air and a new unibody aluminum basic MacBook.



    The new basic MacBook could get the 11.6" screen and start at $799. The new MacBook Air will presumably be thinner and lighter than the current one, thanks in part to the ultra-compact solid state mass storage. And it would stay at 13.3". Just a thought.



    Very good point!
  • Reply 54 of 110
    so... with all the macbook air hype, is there no chance that apple will redesign or buff up the macbook pros? i've been checking the buying guide on macrumors, and apparently the aluminum and the unibody mbp redesigns all happened on october every two years, and its been two years since the unibody redesign, is there any chance they will come up with a new mbp on october 20th?
  • Reply 55 of 110
    aiolosaiolos Posts: 228member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blueeddie View Post


    so... with all the macbook air hype, is there no chance that apple will redesign or buff up the macbook pros? i've been checking the buying guide on macrumors, and apparently the aluminum and the unibody mbp redesigns all happened on october every two years, and its been two years since the unibody redesign, is there any chance they will come up with a new mbp on october 20th?



    The aluminum unit that came out in 2006 was a totally new computer on the inside, but the outside was not changed that drastically. It still looked very much like the PowerBook G4. There's a chance they might modify the outside a bit, but don't count on too much.



    There's a good possibility that Apple might update the MBP's, but a full redesign is still probably a few a years off.
  • Reply 56 of 110
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    Originally Posted by aiolos View Post


    The aluminum unit that came out in 2006 was a totally new computer on the inside, but the outside was not changed that drastically. It still looked very much like the PowerBook G4. There's a chance they might modify the outside a bit, but don't count on too much.



    There's a good possibility that Apple might update the MBP's, but a full redesign is still probably a few a years off.



    my question is though, is there anything out there(ex. processor) that apple has high chance of updating their MBPs to? or is it most likely that it will still stay at core i5 and i7? does intel have anything new to offer thats faster than core i5/i7 thats able to fit in a MBP?
  • Reply 57 of 110
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    Originally Posted by lowededwookie View Post


    There's only one thing I can see the MBA being better used for in my job and that's configuring switches via a console cable as currently there is no supported way of doing that on an iPad.



    Too bad we can't use something like this Bluetooth Serial adapter.

    http://www.gridconnect.com/bluetooth...ts&modal=false



    I guess the only "supported" way would be for someone to develop a custom app that transmits serial over the dock connector. Hmm... hmm...



    Oh wait, here it is:



    http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/new...nector-design/
  • Reply 58 of 110
    aiolosaiolos Posts: 228member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blueeddie View Post


    my question is though, is there anything out there(ex. processor) that apple has high chance of updating their MBPs to? or is it most likely that it will still stay at core i5 and i7? does intel have anything new to offer thats faster than core i5/i7 thats able to fit in a MBP?



    It would still be i5/i7, just speed bumps for the processors.
  • Reply 59 of 110
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,107member
    They could always add a 4-pin FireWire400 port, if they wanted to. That would certainly be small enough to fit anywhere. The question is, whether they actually have the space for the extra circuitry on the mainboard to accomodate FW in the first place.
  • Reply 60 of 110
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by G-News View Post


    They could always add a 4-pin FireWire400 port, if they wanted to. That would certainly be small enough to fit anywhere. The question is, whether they actually have the space for the extra circuitry on the mainboard to accomodate FW in the first place.



    Apple has dropped all FW400 from their systems, so I can?t see them adding FW400 without the power. It?s 9-pin FW800+ or nothing at all. THe best we can hope for on that front is Apple making a new 9-[n connector that is smaller like they did with mDP, but I doubt that device like teh MBA needs it. It needs USB for iDevices, power and external monitor. That?s it.
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