Not that I expect anyone to know this answer yet...
Apple said I can use an app I purchase on any Mac I own. I actually asume that means any Mac with iTunes authoried to my iTunes account (ie, AppleID). But whatever, 5 Macs is plenty.
My question is about other users on the same Mac? Will they have access to use an app I purchase from the Mac App Store? I hope so or it would be a major drawback of releasing your apps via the Store.
I'll go farther. He's lying, in the form of making stuff up to suit his personal agenda. He isn't saying these things are possible and people should be vigilant, he is saying it is done. That crosses a line.
What agenda? Think I'm crossing a line? Just tell the moderator. I'm used to it.
So long, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Oh! I'm not leaving. I may stop using Apple products in the future if they don't stop telling me what to do, but I'll still be a stockholder.
Who wouldn't love a company that could hand rat poison to it's customers and they would gulp it down like candy because they are hypnotized by it's CEO and will do whatever he says.
Steve actually went out of his way to say "It's not the ONLY way". He probably said this just to comfort those who thought they might be making the app store the only way to distribute apps.
So stop worrying, people. Apple even went out of their way to tell us they weren't doing this.
Earlier Steve also said that Apple wouldn't be getting into the music business, the phone business, or tablets.
With everything moving online it's damn difficult finding great apps bar the stuff on the shelves.
It's a fluke I found Flux and now I'm loving it. The Flux developers will be loving it too if they take the offer up because it means now their application becomes more findable.
This is single-handedly the greatest announcement of the whole day.
So an OPTIONAL store which gives small scale developers international distribution is a bad thing. Strange logic you have there.
And so long as it is optional, it is a good idea. Do you believe Apple would never consider making it the only way to install Mac software, in order to protect us?
A Mac App Store, something smells fishy... I think Apple (Steve) is getting too wise, if you can even call it that. I don't think this will be "optional" very long, it's an obvious trojan horse deal, where the "success" will eventually triumph, and you will not be able to develop on the mac unless you're on Apple's hip. As much as I love Macintosh and iOS, I suspect a caveat in the whole computing industry, if Apple succeeds, and MS, and Chrome OS, all follow suite (Chrome already isn't too far behind on this), and I can't really predict what it will be, but I don't think it will be fair.
Radically enhanced findability, purchase-ability and usability. When Apple looks at the majority of their users - not so techy, busy with other things, not interested in the system only the apps... this is perfect.
Prices will come down, innovation will go up, revenue will go up. Prices won't go to iPhone levels but many things will be very happy at iPad levels or higher - $5-25 with $2-5 introductory or sale prices.
More developers will get in since they don't need to know much more than how to code to run their business (like most iPhone devs).
Big SW houses can stay out but I'm not sure they will stay away (except for the expensive stuff) if that means they might lose out to the smaller guys with similar products.
My parents don't buy any apps for their Macs - I buy something for them, show them, etc. They have bought many apps for the iPad already and I predict they will do the same under the App store.
The desktop world is much more dynamic. There are developers that do special pricing depending on the client's needs. They won't want their software on a central place for a static price. This isn't going to change, especially in the industrial world.
I would be royally pissed if I had to distribute my apps via one cluttered area. I make a living off of my apps, and I want to have control over that. Therefor, I need to market them myself and push them as much as I can. Being tied down to a cluttered central area, could spell doom even for a great application.
And Apple is well aware that the Mac is a professional and business device as well.
Think how many companies allow download sales from their own web sites. You are assuming too much here in thinking the Mac app store will become the only way.
What this does is, it allows the software developers to concentrate on developing, and removes one of the repetitive tasks (that everyone has to deal with). It also cuts out the middle man (like Amazon). At the end of the day, I would happily take 70% of every sale.
Not that I expect anyone to know this answer yet...
Apple said I can use an app I purchase on any Mac I own. I actually asume that means any Mac with iTunes authoried to my iTunes account (ie, AppleID). But whatever, 5 Macs is plenty.
My question is about other users on the same Mac? Will they have access to use an app I purchase from the Mac App Store? I hope so or it would be a major drawback of releasing your apps via the Store.
If you allow other users on your Mac, I would imagine that they would be able to use the programs as well He didn't say anything about user accounts. He said; "Macs you own".
So long as it remains optional, I like the idea. At least I know that, if I need an app and go looking for it on the Mac app store, it'll be decent (presumably there will be standards to have your app listed for sale on the app store). Right now, if I go off googling something, it's a toss-up whether it's what I'm looking for or a piece of crap.
Oh! I'm not leaving. I may stop using Apple products in the future if they don't stop telling me what to do, but I'll still be a stockholder.
Who wouldn't love a company that could hand rat poison to it's customers and they would gulp it down like candy because they are hypnotized by it's CEO and will do whatever he says.
They never tell you what to do, that's what Schmitt is saying Google will be doing. Apple does say, in iOS, that there are some things you can't do as far as some programs go. That's different.
But it's interesting to note that even with that, there are more kinds of apps in Apple's store than in the Android Marketplace, and that according to articles about both stores, the App Store's apps are better quality.
Earlier Steve also said that Apple wouldn't be getting into the music business, the phone business, or tablets.
Sure, no problem.
That was for competitive advantage. Do you think limiting programs to an OS X app store would give them competitive advantage? If you do, then maybe they think that way, but if you don't, it's likely they don't either. I don't see how Apple would benefit from that limitation in OS X.
By the way, Apple is NOT in the music business any more than Amazon is. Selling music is not the same as being in the business. That means producing it.
I really don't like that Apple knows how much money my company makes and which client has my application. They may not check the clients computer, but this way they still know what is going on.
Then don't sell your app thru the app store. You know Adobe and Autodesk and Microsoft aren't going to either. I think it has potential to be a very good deal for the small indie developer with minimal advertising budget. I do wonder, if that indie developer is selling thru the app store, can they also sell thru the usual channels and keep 100% of those sales? Or is it that an app in the app store must only be in the app store?
And so long as it is optional, it is a good idea. Do you believe Apple would never consider making it the only way to install Mac software, in order to protect us?
I doubt they would. Once the cat is out of the bag, it's very difficult getting it back in.
This seems like a good idea, but it will be limited. It would have to be. There are too many very large professional programs that don't lend themselves to an App Store kind of environment.
School systems have their own program limitations, as well as protected servers, etc. so it wouldn't work there.
But for many programs and developers, this will be great. I particularly like the updating process. I long subscribed to VersionTracker for that very reason. Now, many programs have their own update process though many don't, but this would make it easier for us and even them.
People complain about the install process. This makes that VERY easy. A lot of good things here, but it won't work for something like CS5, or AutoCAD, or any other large complex software such as Office, etc.
A Mac App Store, something smells fishy... I think Apple (Steve) is getting too wise, if you can even call it that. I don't think this will be "optional" very long, it's an obvious trojan horse deal, where the "success" will eventually triumph, and you will not be able to develop on the mac unless you're on Apple's hip. As much as I love Macintosh and iOS, I suspect a caveat in the whole computing industry, if Apple succeeds, and MS, and Chrome OS, all follow suite (Chrome already isn't too far behind on this), and I can't really predict what it will be, but I don't think it will be fair.
Nothing you said is "obvious".You are "obviously" not thinking it through.
No - Strange logic YOU have there if you can't see the writing on the wall. Trust me, "OPTIONAL" will last a year or two. By the time Lion's successor comes out, all software will have to be approved by Steve...
Pathetic,.,,,
Strange logic. I can't can't believe you think that as hardware gets better Apple will make their operating system less capable.
I have one word for you: PARANOIA. That's all it is.
As the iOS devices get more and more powerful, iOS will become more and more capable and and possibly match the capabilities OSX. Eventually the two may merge into one OS that provides full computing capabilities across the entire line up. I'd wager that it's more likely that we will see a competing app store for iOS within two years than OSX will become closed.
Contrary to your belief, you are letting your imagination run wild instead of thinking rationally.
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Apple said I can use an app I purchase on any Mac I own. I actually asume that means any Mac with iTunes authoried to my iTunes account (ie, AppleID). But whatever, 5 Macs is plenty.
My question is about other users on the same Mac? Will they have access to use an app I purchase from the Mac App Store? I hope so or it would be a major drawback of releasing your apps via the Store.
I'll go farther. He's lying, in the form of making stuff up to suit his personal agenda. He isn't saying these things are possible and people should be vigilant, he is saying it is done. That crosses a line.
What agenda? Think I'm crossing a line? Just tell the moderator. I'm used to it.
Thank you Blackintosh, et al! You and the teabaggers are the REAL American heros!
I'm not a tea bagger, nor am I a Fanboi. But your welcome anyway.
So long, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Oh! I'm not leaving. I may stop using Apple products in the future if they don't stop telling me what to do, but I'll still be a stockholder.
Who wouldn't love a company that could hand rat poison to it's customers and they would gulp it down like candy because they are hypnotized by it's CEO and will do whatever he says.
Steve actually went out of his way to say "It's not the ONLY way". He probably said this just to comfort those who thought they might be making the app store the only way to distribute apps.
So stop worrying, people. Apple even went out of their way to tell us they weren't doing this.
Earlier Steve also said that Apple wouldn't be getting into the music business, the phone business, or tablets.
Sure, no problem.
With everything moving online it's damn difficult finding great apps bar the stuff on the shelves.
It's a fluke I found Flux and now I'm loving it. The Flux developers will be loving it too if they take the offer up because it means now their application becomes more findable.
This is single-handedly the greatest announcement of the whole day.
So an OPTIONAL store which gives small scale developers international distribution is a bad thing. Strange logic you have there.
And so long as it is optional, it is a good idea. Do you believe Apple would never consider making it the only way to install Mac software, in order to protect us?
I've been after this for years.
+1
Radically enhanced findability, purchase-ability and usability. When Apple looks at the majority of their users - not so techy, busy with other things, not interested in the system only the apps... this is perfect.
Prices will come down, innovation will go up, revenue will go up. Prices won't go to iPhone levels but many things will be very happy at iPad levels or higher - $5-25 with $2-5 introductory or sale prices.
More developers will get in since they don't need to know much more than how to code to run their business (like most iPhone devs).
Big SW houses can stay out but I'm not sure they will stay away (except for the expensive stuff) if that means they might lose out to the smaller guys with similar products.
My parents don't buy any apps for their Macs - I buy something for them, show them, etc. They have bought many apps for the iPad already and I predict they will do the same under the App store.
^------- This.
The desktop world is much more dynamic. There are developers that do special pricing depending on the client's needs. They won't want their software on a central place for a static price. This isn't going to change, especially in the industrial world.
I would be royally pissed if I had to distribute my apps via one cluttered area. I make a living off of my apps, and I want to have control over that. Therefor, I need to market them myself and push them as much as I can. Being tied down to a cluttered central area, could spell doom even for a great application.
And Apple is well aware that the Mac is a professional and business device as well.
Think how many companies allow download sales from their own web sites. You are assuming too much here in thinking the Mac app store will become the only way.
What this does is, it allows the software developers to concentrate on developing, and removes one of the repetitive tasks (that everyone has to deal with). It also cuts out the middle man (like Amazon). At the end of the day, I would happily take 70% of every sale.
Not that I expect anyone to know this answer yet...
Apple said I can use an app I purchase on any Mac I own. I actually asume that means any Mac with iTunes authoried to my iTunes account (ie, AppleID). But whatever, 5 Macs is plenty.
My question is about other users on the same Mac? Will they have access to use an app I purchase from the Mac App Store? I hope so or it would be a major drawback of releasing your apps via the Store.
If you allow other users on your Mac, I would imagine that they would be able to use the programs as well He didn't say anything about user accounts. He said; "Macs you own".
Oh! I'm not leaving. I may stop using Apple products in the future if they don't stop telling me what to do, but I'll still be a stockholder.
Who wouldn't love a company that could hand rat poison to it's customers and they would gulp it down like candy because they are hypnotized by it's CEO and will do whatever he says.
They never tell you what to do, that's what Schmitt is saying Google will be doing. Apple does say, in iOS, that there are some things you can't do as far as some programs go. That's different.
But it's interesting to note that even with that, there are more kinds of apps in Apple's store than in the Android Marketplace, and that according to articles about both stores, the App Store's apps are better quality.
Earlier Steve also said that Apple wouldn't be getting into the music business, the phone business, or tablets.
Sure, no problem.
That was for competitive advantage. Do you think limiting programs to an OS X app store would give them competitive advantage? If you do, then maybe they think that way, but if you don't, it's likely they don't either. I don't see how Apple would benefit from that limitation in OS X.
By the way, Apple is NOT in the music business any more than Amazon is. Selling music is not the same as being in the business. That means producing it.
I really don't like that Apple knows how much money my company makes and which client has my application. They may not check the clients computer, but this way they still know what is going on.
Then don't sell your app thru the app store. You know Adobe and Autodesk and Microsoft aren't going to either. I think it has potential to be a very good deal for the small indie developer with minimal advertising budget. I do wonder, if that indie developer is selling thru the app store, can they also sell thru the usual channels and keep 100% of those sales? Or is it that an app in the app store must only be in the app store?
Gordon
And so long as it is optional, it is a good idea. Do you believe Apple would never consider making it the only way to install Mac software, in order to protect us?
I doubt they would. Once the cat is out of the bag, it's very difficult getting it back in.
This seems like a good idea, but it will be limited. It would have to be. There are too many very large professional programs that don't lend themselves to an App Store kind of environment.
School systems have their own program limitations, as well as protected servers, etc. so it wouldn't work there.
But for many programs and developers, this will be great. I particularly like the updating process. I long subscribed to VersionTracker for that very reason. Now, many programs have their own update process though many don't, but this would make it easier for us and even them.
People complain about the install process. This makes that VERY easy. A lot of good things here, but it won't work for something like CS5, or AutoCAD, or any other large complex software such as Office, etc.
I can't imagine that Apple isn't aware of that.
A Mac App Store, something smells fishy... I think Apple (Steve) is getting too wise, if you can even call it that. I don't think this will be "optional" very long, it's an obvious trojan horse deal, where the "success" will eventually triumph, and you will not be able to develop on the mac unless you're on Apple's hip. As much as I love Macintosh and iOS, I suspect a caveat in the whole computing industry, if Apple succeeds, and MS, and Chrome OS, all follow suite (Chrome already isn't too far behind on this), and I can't really predict what it will be, but I don't think it will be fair.
Nothing you said is "obvious".You are "obviously" not thinking it through.
No - Strange logic YOU have there if you can't see the writing on the wall. Trust me, "OPTIONAL" will last a year or two. By the time Lion's successor comes out, all software will have to be approved by Steve...
Pathetic,.,,,
Strange logic. I can't can't believe you think that as hardware gets better Apple will make their operating system less capable.
I have one word for you: PARANOIA. That's all it is.
As the iOS devices get more and more powerful, iOS will become more and more capable and and possibly match the capabilities OSX. Eventually the two may merge into one OS that provides full computing capabilities across the entire line up. I'd wager that it's more likely that we will see a competing app store for iOS within two years than OSX will become closed.
Contrary to your belief, you are letting your imagination run wild instead of thinking rationally.