Yes, that's always been Microsoft's strategy. They pursue market leaders, always, until the market leaders trip up. Anyone remember Windows CE 1.0 and how it was a joke compared to Palm OS (at the time)? Well, Palm tripped up. Same with Xbox: eventually, Sony tripped up. Netscape tripped up. Borland tripped up. IBM tripped up. Yahoo tripped up.
But as long as Apple keeps executing as it has, people will still line up 1000 deep to enter an Apple Store (like they did in China). You won't get that from Microsoft.
That's assuming WP7 needs to take market share from Apple.
What about if RIM trip up? How about Nokia? Or have they already?
Are you seriously trying to give credit to Microsoft for being an innovative company? If Apple never invented the iPhone, would there be anything like windows phone 7 out there? I mean, look at everyone in the smart phone industry trying their best to copy/paste Apples iPhone design and feel. Seriously, stop jocking Microsoftcrap and call it like it is, windows phone 7 is years late, its going to eventually fail, and if not, enjoy mediocre at best marketshare.
You sound ANGRY!
Seriously, what on earth is your problem? Who cares if this does well? What people like you are too dumb to realize is if there are multiple platforms that all do well, it means there's a lot of competition, and a lot of innovation! Had the PC era started out this way we would have seen many different computers instead of just "Mac vs PC."
If Apple never invented the iphone, you still would have seen a lot of similar products that you see today. The candy bar touch screen design was inevitable, and the mobile OS war would have been between Android and WM (which in itself might have been enough for MS to write a whole new mobile OS.) Apple's role was like gasoline on a fire.
Honestly, I had a WM phone for 2 years and I switched to Android. Even with WM being "outdated" there was plenty for me to miss.
That's assuming WP7 needs to take market share from Apple.
What about if RIM trip up? How about Nokia? Or have they already?
they don't, and I was schooled on this just a few weeks ago. Apparently smart phones like these still only take up a small portion of the market, so expansion for any platform is still up in the air. I don't think domination by any single platform is good which is why I'm all for many different companies taking a crack at this.
If HP can get away from that awful design of the Pre, and give us some logical hardware, Web OS will step up. WebOS already has a following with many people showing it's capabilities.
Android of course is doing fine, as is iOS which seems to be evolving into a more robust OS poised to replace full blown desktop operating systems.
WP7 seems ok. Not my cup of tea, but I can see it's appeal.
Next we'll have MeeGo on an Intel Moorestown phone.
I think this kind of stuff is exciting in a way, and really wish the PC era had gone like this.
Funny, Paul Thurrott thought it would become "Number 3" after iOS and Android, competing strongly with RIM and Symbian. Looks like other reviewers have different views.
Seriously, what on earth is your problem? Who cares if this does well? What people like you are too dumb to realize is if there are multiple platforms that all do well, it means there's a lot of competition, and a lot of innovation! Had the PC era started out this way we would have seen many different computers instead of just "Mac vs PC."
If Apple never invented the iphone, you still would have seen a lot of similar products that you see today. The candy bar touch screen design was inevitable, and the mobile OS war would have been between Android and WM (which in itself might have been enough for MS to write a whole new mobile OS.) Apple's role was like gasoline on a fire.
Honestly, I had a WM phone for 2 years and I switched to Android. Even with WM being "outdated" there was plenty for me to miss.
I had a Dell Axim 7 years ago. I will *never* go back to Windows mobile platforms. I had a gaming rig running XP2, Vista(horrible), 7(good) but I stopped playing a few months ago mainly because so many titles are just console ports, assuming it even makes it to PC. All the good games are on consoles, which frustratingly, have worse graphics than a relatively modest US$800 gaming PC. And console graphics aren't going to improve much!
Happy here in the Walled Garden of Good and Evil. LOL
I had a Dell Axim 7 years ago. I will *never* go back to Windows mobile platforms. I had a gaming rig running XP2, Vista(horrible), 7(good) but I stopped playing a few months ago mainly because so many titles are just console ports, assuming it even makes it to PC. All the good games are on consoles, which frustratingly, have worse graphics than a relatively modest US$800 gaming PC. And console graphics aren't going to improve much!
Happy here in the Walled Garden of Good and Evil. LOL
lol yeah if you base a windows mobile experience off a dell axim, I fully understand why you would never go back
Xbox owners account for 22 million potential WP7 sales a year, and the number of people interested in a phone with a compelling gaming experience would be higher.
Xbox Live integration isn't all WP7 is about. It's just a feather in their cap. Something to entice those 22+ million potential buyers each year.
No doubt. I actually think it's already business/enterprise (see that Applebaum!?!?) focused.
I'm not sure why you think business is an insignificant market, then again I haven't seen the sales numbers. You might be right.
22 million a year? LOL. the total install base worldwide for the brick box (over 50%+ failure rate) 360 is only 43.8 million, with well over half coming from the Americas, mainly North America. (http://www.vgchartz.com)
The iPhone has a compelling gaming experience today. If you want to game, there is only one phone for you...the iPhone.
I had a Dell Axim 7 years ago. I will *never* go back to Windows mobile platforms. I had a gaming rig running XP2, Vista(horrible), 7(good) but I stopped playing a few months ago mainly because so many titles are just console ports, assuming it even makes it to PC. All the good games are on consoles, which frustratingly, have worse graphics than a relatively modest US$800 gaming PC. And console graphics aren't going to improve much!
Happy here in the Walled Garden of Good and Evil. LOL
BREAKING NEWS: A brand new platform is not quite yet as good as the far more matured Android and iOS platforms.
Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either. But it got better over time. The same with Android. And the same will be true of Windows Phone 7.
BREAKING NEWS: another insipid comment by Quillz.
iOS 1 was ground breaking.
MIcrosoft, even though it had years of lead time over Apple and Goggle, never got it's act together (as usual). Too late, too little.
The OS is based on new code, while Windows Mobile was built off the same code one release after another...
Really, if you can't comprehend this much, I feel sorry for you, and if people want a phone with microsoft software and copy and paste, they can get an HD2 running 6.5.5 and have a great phone.
Great phone?... You mean "great" for a phone with Microsoft software on it...
Windows Phone 7 is so bad that reviewers are forced to praise its atrocious interface just for being ?different.? How amusing. It?s almost like Microsoft is the underdog now?the massive, bloated, incompetent underdog.
The OS is based on new code, while Windows Mobile was built off the same code one release after another...
Really, if you can't comprehend this much, I feel sorry for you, and if people want a phone with microsoft software and copy and paste, they can get an HD2 running 6.5.5 and have a great phone.
Sure there is some new code in there, but the basis for Windows Phone 7 is the primitive Windows CE just like Windows Mobile is. His point is quite valid. Microsoft loves to reskin old crappy OSes and get all the clueless Microsoft drones to pay for it again.
Sure there is some new code in there, but the basis for Windows Phone 7 is the primitive Windows CE just like Windows Mobile is. His point is quite valid. Microsoft loves to reskin old crappy OSes and get all the clueless Microsoft drones to pay for it again.
Well then isn't that a credit to brilliant engineers at Microsoft that they have been able to create such a compelling experience given that they had to base it on a Windows CE core!
One of the overriding opinions to come through in all reviews was just how smooth and responsive the UI is.
MIcrosoft, even though it had years of lead time over Apple and Goggle, never got it's act together (as usual). Too late, too little.
The lack of vision permeating through microsoft explains the almost FOUR YEAR delay it took them to put out a competitor to the iPhone. And this, coming from a company that had been in the mobile phone business for years already. Talk about david slaying goliath!
Windows Phone 7 is so bad that reviewers are forced to praise its atrocious interface just for being “different.” How amusing. It’s almost like Microsoft is the underdog now—the massive, bloated, incompetent underdog.
I don't know enough about the phone or WP7 to offer an opinion.
I do not like the look of the UI -- big monochrome tiles, truncated words, horizontal black bar wasting 1/5 of the screen. But, hey, that''s me -- some think it's avant-garde.
I do like the concept of Active Tiles -- Hubs that aggregate notifications/polling for several apps. This is something I would like to be able to do in place of, or in addition to the notifications I receive on the iPhone.
Slightly off topic... on a more personal note: I have been playing with the FaceTime beta on a couple of Macs. It is a little pedantic to set up, but performs quite well. This should be a killer app when enough devices (computers and phones) are able to use it.
The name FaceTime is too constraining. I was using ScreenSharing, so I could see both ends of the conversation-- and was able to deliver a call that opened with the mono-digital salute. So the name FlipTime would me more appropriate.
Certainly, one could use this for things like the Xerox Clench...
... ahhh... technology
Edit: following up on the above, I've discovered a new, distinctive phone case -- the "Uncle Sherman Case" -- with a certain je ne sais quoi for the ladies.
Specifically designed for phones that support Flash.
Had the PC era started out this way we would have seen many different computers instead of just "Mac vs PC."
That is how the PC era started out. There were dozens of brands Atari, Commodore, Tandy, Apple, IBM, Sun, SGI, on and on. Now, it is basically just two brands plus Linux. It took a long time to sort out the winners and the also rans.
If MS makes a name for themselves in the phone business then I might give them a second look, but no way will I even spend a minute checking WinPhone out until there is overwhelming public consensus that they have a really successful product. I just don't like Microsoft very much to start with so I am not going to give them the benefit of the doubt. They are losers until proven otherwise.
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Just like those laptop hunter commercials that played into the "apple tax" perception.
Just like those goofy AT&T commercials where they cover the earth with orange sheets.
Just like Apple did with those FaceTime commercials which made it look like you could video call anybody when there were limitations.
Yes, that's always been Microsoft's strategy. They pursue market leaders, always, until the market leaders trip up. Anyone remember Windows CE 1.0 and how it was a joke compared to Palm OS (at the time)? Well, Palm tripped up. Same with Xbox: eventually, Sony tripped up. Netscape tripped up. Borland tripped up. IBM tripped up. Yahoo tripped up.
But as long as Apple keeps executing as it has, people will still line up 1000 deep to enter an Apple Store (like they did in China). You won't get that from Microsoft.
That's assuming WP7 needs to take market share from Apple.
What about if RIM trip up? How about Nokia? Or have they already?
Are you seriously trying to give credit to Microsoft for being an innovative company? If Apple never invented the iPhone, would there be anything like windows phone 7 out there? I mean, look at everyone in the smart phone industry trying their best to copy/paste Apples iPhone design and feel. Seriously, stop jocking Microsoftcrap and call it like it is, windows phone 7 is years late, its going to eventually fail, and if not, enjoy mediocre at best marketshare.
You sound ANGRY!
Seriously, what on earth is your problem? Who cares if this does well? What people like you are too dumb to realize is if there are multiple platforms that all do well, it means there's a lot of competition, and a lot of innovation! Had the PC era started out this way we would have seen many different computers instead of just "Mac vs PC."
If Apple never invented the iphone, you still would have seen a lot of similar products that you see today. The candy bar touch screen design was inevitable, and the mobile OS war would have been between Android and WM (which in itself might have been enough for MS to write a whole new mobile OS.) Apple's role was like gasoline on a fire.
Honestly, I had a WM phone for 2 years and I switched to Android. Even with WM being "outdated" there was plenty for me to miss.
That's assuming WP7 needs to take market share from Apple.
What about if RIM trip up? How about Nokia? Or have they already?
they don't, and I was schooled on this just a few weeks ago. Apparently smart phones like these still only take up a small portion of the market, so expansion for any platform is still up in the air. I don't think domination by any single platform is good which is why I'm all for many different companies taking a crack at this.
If HP can get away from that awful design of the Pre, and give us some logical hardware, Web OS will step up. WebOS already has a following with many people showing it's capabilities.
Android of course is doing fine, as is iOS which seems to be evolving into a more robust OS poised to replace full blown desktop operating systems.
WP7 seems ok. Not my cup of tea, but I can see it's appeal.
Next we'll have MeeGo on an Intel Moorestown phone.
I think this kind of stuff is exciting in a way, and really wish the PC era had gone like this.
You sound ANGRY!
Seriously, what on earth is your problem? Who cares if this does well? What people like you are too dumb to realize is if there are multiple platforms that all do well, it means there's a lot of competition, and a lot of innovation! Had the PC era started out this way we would have seen many different computers instead of just "Mac vs PC."
If Apple never invented the iphone, you still would have seen a lot of similar products that you see today. The candy bar touch screen design was inevitable, and the mobile OS war would have been between Android and WM (which in itself might have been enough for MS to write a whole new mobile OS.) Apple's role was like gasoline on a fire.
Honestly, I had a WM phone for 2 years and I switched to Android. Even with WM being "outdated" there was plenty for me to miss.
I had a Dell Axim 7 years ago. I will *never* go back to Windows mobile platforms. I had a gaming rig running XP2, Vista(horrible), 7(good) but I stopped playing a few months ago mainly because so many titles are just console ports, assuming it even makes it to PC. All the good games are on consoles, which frustratingly, have worse graphics than a relatively modest US$800 gaming PC. And console graphics aren't going to improve much!
Happy here in the Walled Garden of Good and Evil. LOL
I had a Dell Axim 7 years ago. I will *never* go back to Windows mobile platforms. I had a gaming rig running XP2, Vista(horrible), 7(good) but I stopped playing a few months ago mainly because so many titles are just console ports, assuming it even makes it to PC. All the good games are on consoles, which frustratingly, have worse graphics than a relatively modest US$800 gaming PC. And console graphics aren't going to improve much!
Happy here in the Walled Garden of Good and Evil. LOL
lol yeah if you base a windows mobile experience off a dell axim, I fully understand why you would never go back
Xbox owners account for 22 million potential WP7 sales a year, and the number of people interested in a phone with a compelling gaming experience would be higher.
Xbox Live integration isn't all WP7 is about. It's just a feather in their cap. Something to entice those 22+ million potential buyers each year.
No doubt. I actually think it's already business/enterprise (see that Applebaum!?!?) focused.
I'm not sure why you think business is an insignificant market, then again I haven't seen the sales numbers. You might be right.
22 million a year? LOL. the total install base worldwide for the brick box (over 50%+ failure rate) 360 is only 43.8 million, with well over half coming from the Americas, mainly North America. (http://www.vgchartz.com)
The iPhone has a compelling gaming experience today. If you want to game, there is only one phone for you...the iPhone.
I had a Dell Axim 7 years ago. I will *never* go back to Windows mobile platforms. I had a gaming rig running XP2, Vista(horrible), 7(good) but I stopped playing a few months ago mainly because so many titles are just console ports, assuming it even makes it to PC. All the good games are on consoles, which frustratingly, have worse graphics than a relatively modest US$800 gaming PC. And console graphics aren't going to improve much!
Happy here in the Walled Garden of Good and Evil. LOL
Just wait 'til midnight!
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Just wait 'til midnight!
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That's when the jailbreakers come out to play.
BREAKING NEWS: A brand new platform is not quite yet as good as the far more matured Android and iOS platforms.
Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either. But it got better over time. The same with Android. And the same will be true of Windows Phone 7.
BREAKING NEWS: another insipid comment by Quillz.
iOS 1 was ground breaking.
MIcrosoft, even though it had years of lead time over Apple and Goggle, never got it's act together (as usual). Too late, too little.
Xbox owners account for 22 million potential WP7 sales a year....
22 million a year? LOL.
- 44 million Xbox 360's
- Two year phone contracts
- Xbox cross over accounts for 22 million potential WP7 customers per year
Why the LOL? Maths is not that funny.The OS is based on new code, while Windows Mobile was built off the same code one release after another...
Really, if you can't comprehend this much, I feel sorry for you, and if people want a phone with microsoft software and copy and paste, they can get an HD2 running 6.5.5 and have a great phone.
Great phone?... You mean "great" for a phone with Microsoft software on it...
The OS is based on new code, while Windows Mobile was built off the same code one release after another...
Really, if you can't comprehend this much, I feel sorry for you, and if people want a phone with microsoft software and copy and paste, they can get an HD2 running 6.5.5 and have a great phone.
Sure there is some new code in there, but the basis for Windows Phone 7 is the primitive Windows CE just like Windows Mobile is. His point is quite valid. Microsoft loves to reskin old crappy OSes and get all the clueless Microsoft drones to pay for it again.
Sure there is some new code in there, but the basis for Windows Phone 7 is the primitive Windows CE just like Windows Mobile is. His point is quite valid. Microsoft loves to reskin old crappy OSes and get all the clueless Microsoft drones to pay for it again.
Well then isn't that a credit to brilliant engineers at Microsoft that they have been able to create such a compelling experience given that they had to base it on a Windows CE core!
One of the overriding opinions to come through in all reviews was just how smooth and responsive the UI is.
Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either.
Hmm. Actually, it was.
MIcrosoft, even though it had years of lead time over Apple and Goggle, never got it's act together (as usual). Too late, too little.
The lack of vision permeating through microsoft explains the almost FOUR YEAR delay it took them to put out a competitor to the iPhone. And this, coming from a company that had been in the mobile phone business for years already. Talk about david slaying goliath!
Windows Phone 7 is so bad that reviewers are forced to praise its atrocious interface just for being “different.” How amusing. It’s almost like Microsoft is the underdog now—the massive, bloated, incompetent underdog.
I don't know enough about the phone or WP7 to offer an opinion.
I do not like the look of the UI -- big monochrome tiles, truncated words, horizontal black bar wasting 1/5 of the screen. But, hey, that''s me -- some think it's avant-garde.
I do like the concept of Active Tiles -- Hubs that aggregate notifications/polling for several apps. This is something I would like to be able to do in place of, or in addition to the notifications I receive on the iPhone.
Slightly off topic... on a more personal note: I have been playing with the FaceTime beta on a couple of Macs. It is a little pedantic to set up, but performs quite well. This should be a killer app when enough devices (computers and phones) are able to use it.
The name FaceTime is too constraining. I was using ScreenSharing, so I could see both ends of the conversation-- and was able to deliver a call that opened with the mono-digital salute. So the name FlipTime would me more appropriate.
Certainly, one could use this for things like the Xerox Clench...
... ahhh... technology
Edit: following up on the above, I've discovered a new, distinctive phone case -- the "Uncle Sherman Case" -- with a certain je ne sais quoi for the ladies.
Specifically designed for phones that support Flash.
http://bepop-web.jp/CH0350.html
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Had the PC era started out this way we would have seen many different computers instead of just "Mac vs PC."
That is how the PC era started out. There were dozens of brands Atari, Commodore, Tandy, Apple, IBM, Sun, SGI, on and on. Now, it is basically just two brands plus Linux. It took a long time to sort out the winners and the also rans.
If MS makes a name for themselves in the phone business then I might give them a second look, but no way will I even spend a minute checking WinPhone out until there is overwhelming public consensus that they have a really successful product. I just don't like Microsoft very much to start with so I am not going to give them the benefit of the doubt. They are losers until proven otherwise.