And Steve Jobs isn't narrow minded when it comes to his products. Are you kidding me? Steve Jobs makes an extra effort to bash others.
That's not the point. It seems to me that you want to understand your competitors. Steve might not have any PCs in his house or use competitors' products regularly, but I can guarantee you that he has taken a close look at competitors' products, especially phones, because he seems to have a very good understanding of what other people are doing.
Although Gates is not supposedly involved in the day-to-day at Microsoft anymore, it seems to me that especially when your kids want to use your competitor's products, you'd want to understand why. Furthermore, Microsoft produces Office for the Mac, so it's still an important market for them. If you were in charge at Microsoft, wouldn't you want to study the Mac and iOS interface and browser? It's obvious that others at Microsoft have because they copy almost everything Apple does (although usually badly) as have all of the phone operating systems.
That's like a product manager at some junk food company saying, "Sorry, kids-no fruits or veggies for you. Here, have a donut and some fritos instead. Ha! We just schooled those healthy foods!"
That's never going to happen. Apple maybe a lot of things but they're not that stupid to go that far. They know the backlash that could result. They don't have to lockdown the Mac, the Mac App Store will eventually be the only place regular casual Mac users will know how to get Mac apps.
I read an article last week at the Back to Mac event where in Jobs said that "not at this time" when he was asked if Apple would allow other ways (besides the App Store) for users to download apps to iOS device. He didn't flat out say NO. So now that people are so used to going to the App Store to get apps that Apple might eventually allow other alternatives to getting apps and that it wouldn't really hurt the App Store.
But then again everything remains to be seen. It might or may not happen.
"Not at this time"? He said, twice, during the event, that the Mac App store would NOT be the only way to get applications on Lion. First, it would be foolish to do so, and second, it would shut down many long-standing sales avenues, including some used by very major producers. Would Adobe put CS6 on the Mac App Store? They have their own channels, as does every software biggie. Some MIGHT put their software there, but others will not until they are sure about the impact of joining. It's small-to-medium businesses that will jump on as soon as they can.
Steve Jobs complemented Microsoft several times on their success, he even complemented Gates during TV shows. But like a true artist he criticized Microsoft's lack of creativity.
Gates on the otherhand, never complemented Steve or Apple on any of their accomplishments after releasing Windows.
Steve Jobs complemented Microsoft several times on their success, he even complemented Gates during TV shows. But like a true artist he criticized Microsoft's lack of creativity.
Gates on the otherhand, never complemented Steve or Apple on any of their accomplishments after releasing Windows.
iPads are similarly off limits and when one of her three children recently argued, “Mom, I have to have an iPod" she responded with "You may have a Zune.”
... said, as she slaps her child. "No iPod for you! And you are never to mention that word in this house ever again! Go to your room, get on your PC and MSN your dad for forgiveness!"
The kid wouldn't even need to get paid--they'd inherit more than any advertiser could pay when their parents died of heart attacks
Actually, from what I've read of the matter, Gates is leaving very little of his fortune to his children, because he doesn't want them to be spoiled. He wants them to actually have to work for their money, which I fully agree with.
I know everyone here hates Bill Gates, but he's actually a very genuinely nice person, at least in terms of philanthropy and other non-business areas. As is Steve Jobs.
When Apple reported earning he bashed RIM and really took a good amount of time to bash Google which I found even more interesting. For the amount for time he took talking about Android he must be thinking about Android alot.
Now while I agree that not letting a product in your house is over the top and sounds stupid, I think we can all agree that Jobs is also over the top on certain issues.
extreme ... as you know. you and I have "butted heads" on more than one occasion ... and have even agreed on some things from time to time, as well .... so don't take this as a personal attack on you .... as it is not meant that way. Rather, I would only like to point out how "over the top " language can be viewed as either "fanboi"(ism) or troll like behavior .. depending on ones' point of view.
The "bashing" that you allude to, and the remarks that followed from Rim and HP are a part of a normal point, counterpoint, dialogue that occurs between competitors all the time. IMHO, Steve Jobs has shown an ability to respond to, but not initiate, this behavior rather well. I suppose that's a result of Apple being in the position where most others are trying to catch up and therefore have to be more aggressive with their words.
I think when either one of us makes it our personal goal to "defend" our choice of CEO/computer we sometimes get carried away and hence "earn our respective titles" of troll/fanbois. I, too, get caught up quite often in the passion of debate, but in the interest of trying to remain relevant, if it isn't already too late, I'm trying to cure myself of this habit. I welcome your company because, when you dial down the rhetoric you have many interesting things to say.
extreme ... as you know. you and I have "butted heads" on more than one occasion ... and have even agreed on some things from time to time, as well .... so don't take this as a personal attack on you .... as it is not meant that way. Rather, I would only like to point out how "over the top " language can be viewed as either "fanboi"(ism) or troll like behavior .. depending on ones' point of view.
The "bashing" that you allude to, and the remarks that followed from Rim and HP are a part of a normal point, counterpoint, dialogue that occurs between competitors all the time. IMHO, Steve Jobs has shown an ability to respond to, but not initiate, this behavior rather well. I suppose that's a result of Apple being in the position where most others are trying to catch up and therefore have to be more aggressive with their words.
I think when either one of us makes it our personal goal to "defend" our choice of CEO/computer we sometimes get carried away and hence "earn our respective titles" of troll/fanbois. I, too, get caught up quite often in the passion of debate, but in the interest of trying to remain relevant, if it isn't already too late, I'm trying to cure myself of this habit. I welcome your company because, when you dial down the rhetoric you have many interesting things to say.
I try not to pull out the fanboy stuff unless someone is stupid enough to start with the "You must work for Microsoft" nonsense.
What I do find funny is that so many on this forum feel the needs to take a simple comment and come of the defense of Steve Jobs. As if he needs them to defend him.
Steve Jobs is without a doubt over the top and in my opinion borderline nut case but to be honest that has been to the benefit of Apple and people like me that own stock.
You are right I do need to cure myself of commenting on stupid posts and do nothing but get me caught up in back and forth off topic nonsense. You are 100% correct on that point.
Of course many of them. My Evo has run Flash for two months now. I believe the Incredible and Droid 2 and Droid X also run Flash 10.1 and have 2.2 Android. I could be wrong on one of them but I am certain the Evo has it because I own one.
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And Steve Jobs isn't narrow minded when it comes to his products. Are you kidding me? Steve Jobs makes an extra effort to bash others.
That's not the point. It seems to me that you want to understand your competitors. Steve might not have any PCs in his house or use competitors' products regularly, but I can guarantee you that he has taken a close look at competitors' products, especially phones, because he seems to have a very good understanding of what other people are doing.
Although Gates is not supposedly involved in the day-to-day at Microsoft anymore, it seems to me that especially when your kids want to use your competitor's products, you'd want to understand why. Furthermore, Microsoft produces Office for the Mac, so it's still an important market for them. If you were in charge at Microsoft, wouldn't you want to study the Mac and iOS interface and browser? It's obvious that others at Microsoft have because they copy almost everything Apple does (although usually badly) as have all of the phone operating systems.
Not to mention kind of cruel in this particular case, denying kids an iPod and insisting they use a Zune. Imagine the mocking they got!
Let's hope they don't turn out to be like Will & Griff Whitman-Harsh at Princeton.
Why is this even a story? Does anyone pretend for even a minute that Steve Jobs has any PCs in his home?
He has Windows on his Mac. Doesn't that count?
That's never going to happen. Apple maybe a lot of things but they're not that stupid to go that far. They know the backlash that could result. They don't have to lockdown the Mac, the Mac App Store will eventually be the only place regular casual Mac users will know how to get Mac apps.
I read an article last week at the Back to Mac event where in Jobs said that "not at this time" when he was asked if Apple would allow other ways (besides the App Store) for users to download apps to iOS device. He didn't flat out say NO. So now that people are so used to going to the App Store to get apps that Apple might eventually allow other alternatives to getting apps and that it wouldn't really hurt the App Store.
But then again everything remains to be seen. It might or may not happen.
"Not at this time"? He said, twice, during the event, that the Mac App store would NOT be the only way to get applications on Lion. First, it would be foolish to do so, and second, it would shut down many long-standing sales avenues, including some used by very major producers. Would Adobe put CS6 on the Mac App Store? They have their own channels, as does every software biggie. Some MIGHT put their software there, but others will not until they are sure about the impact of joining. It's small-to-medium businesses that will jump on as soon as they can.
Steve Jobs complemented Microsoft several times on their success, he even complemented Gates during TV shows. But like a true artist he criticized Microsoft's lack of creativity.
Gates on the otherhand, never complemented Steve or Apple on any of their accomplishments after releasing Windows.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
All this article does is start yet another unnecessary flame war.
That's why we're here, bucko!
I'm not sure that I can call them poor, but still - poor kids....
Anyone know the number for Child Protective Services in Redmond?
As opposed to our normally off topic and disjointed threads?
Ha ha
The article is about personal use. Do you really think SJ uses a Windows 7 machine at home?
I was referring to the 'ban' rather than it being personal life style decisions. The kids wanted iPods after all!
Steve Jobs complemented Microsoft several times on their success, he even complemented Gates during TV shows. But like a true artist he criticized Microsoft's lack of creativity.
Gates on the otherhand, never complemented Steve or Apple on any of their accomplishments after releasing Windows.
It's called guilt!
The Gates' family doesn't use Apple products? Is this seriously an article on this site?
Guess what? There's probably a good chance that the Jobs family doesn't use Microsoft products on a regular basis, either.
All this article does is start yet another unnecessary flame war.
Not true. Steve owned a ThinkPad when he returned to Apple 13 years ago. What was he going to use, a PowerBook?
iPads are similarly off limits and when one of her three children recently argued, “Mom, I have to have an iPod" she responded with "You may have a Zune.”
... said, as she slaps her child. "No iPod for you! And you are never to mention that word in this house ever again! Go to your room, get on your PC and MSN your dad for forgiveness!"
The kid wouldn't even need to get paid--they'd inherit more than any advertiser could pay when their parents died of heart attacks
Actually, from what I've read of the matter, Gates is leaving very little of his fortune to his children, because he doesn't want them to be spoiled. He wants them to actually have to work for their money, which I fully agree with.
I know everyone here hates Bill Gates, but he's actually a very genuinely nice person, at least in terms of philanthropy and other non-business areas. As is Steve Jobs.
Not true. Steve owned a ThinkPad when he returned to Apple 13 years ago. What was he going to use, a PowerBook?
I'd imagine he'd probably have used a NeXT portable, had such a machine existed.
When Apple reported earning he bashed RIM and really took a good amount of time to bash Google which I found even more interesting. For the amount for time he took talking about Android he must be thinking about Android alot.
Now while I agree that not letting a product in your house is over the top and sounds stupid, I think we can all agree that Jobs is also over the top on certain issues.
extreme ... as you know. you and I have "butted heads" on more than one occasion ... and have even agreed on some things from time to time, as well .... so don't take this as a personal attack on you .... as it is not meant that way. Rather, I would only like to point out how "over the top " language can be viewed as either "fanboi"(ism) or troll like behavior .. depending on ones' point of view.
The "bashing" that you allude to, and the remarks that followed from Rim and HP are a part of a normal point, counterpoint, dialogue that occurs between competitors all the time. IMHO, Steve Jobs has shown an ability to respond to, but not initiate, this behavior rather well. I suppose that's a result of Apple being in the position where most others are trying to catch up and therefore have to be more aggressive with their words.
I think when either one of us makes it our personal goal to "defend" our choice of CEO/computer we sometimes get carried away and hence "earn our respective titles" of troll/fanbois. I, too, get caught up quite often in the passion of debate, but in the interest of trying to remain relevant, if it isn't already too late, I'm trying to cure myself of this habit. I welcome your company because, when you dial down the rhetoric you have many interesting things to say.
extreme ... as you know. you and I have "butted heads" on more than one occasion ... and have even agreed on some things from time to time, as well .... so don't take this as a personal attack on you .... as it is not meant that way. Rather, I would only like to point out how "over the top " language can be viewed as either "fanboi"(ism) or troll like behavior .. depending on ones' point of view.
The "bashing" that you allude to, and the remarks that followed from Rim and HP are a part of a normal point, counterpoint, dialogue that occurs between competitors all the time. IMHO, Steve Jobs has shown an ability to respond to, but not initiate, this behavior rather well. I suppose that's a result of Apple being in the position where most others are trying to catch up and therefore have to be more aggressive with their words.
I think when either one of us makes it our personal goal to "defend" our choice of CEO/computer we sometimes get carried away and hence "earn our respective titles" of troll/fanbois. I, too, get caught up quite often in the passion of debate, but in the interest of trying to remain relevant, if it isn't already too late, I'm trying to cure myself of this habit. I welcome your company because, when you dial down the rhetoric you have many interesting things to say.
I try not to pull out the fanboy stuff unless someone is stupid enough to start with the "You must work for Microsoft" nonsense.
What I do find funny is that so many on this forum feel the needs to take a simple comment and come of the defense of Steve Jobs. As if he needs them to defend him.
Steve Jobs is without a doubt over the top and in my opinion borderline nut case but to be honest that has been to the benefit of Apple and people like me that own stock.
You are right I do need to cure myself of commenting on stupid posts and do nothing but get me caught up in back and forth off topic nonsense. You are 100% correct on that point.
Am I mistaken?
Is there an Android phone that runs Flash yet?
HTC Hero to be first Android Flash phone
Caroline Gabriel/Rethink Wireless | September 27, 2010
http://www.telecomasia.net/content/h...id-flash-phone
Of course many of them. My Evo has run Flash for two months now. I believe the Incredible and Droid 2 and Droid X also run Flash 10.1 and have 2.2 Android. I could be wrong on one of them but I am certain the Evo has it because I own one.