In that case, well, Palm OS to be frank, sucked balls. I mean the interface was clunky, the RAM was limited, and the colors... well there wasn't any. .
This comment seems to be rooted in ignorance.
There is color. There are also folders, which apple added just recently. The OS was way ahead of its time, and Apple is just catching up in certain important respects.
Apple copied its competitors with including a front-facing camera and dual microphones for noise cancellation.
Oh please. Then I can call pretty much every notebook maker an Apple copier because macbooks were the first notebooks with cameras
Front-facing camera and noise cancellation are additional, supplementary features, so that's like saying everyone also copied Apple with ambient light sensors on phones... that's just a logical step to take.
Multitouch defines the very essence of the product. It's completely different
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Heck, if you want to talk about copying, you might as well include all the GUI elements that Apple blatantly ripped off PalmOS.
There are also folders, which apple added just recently. The OS was way ahead of its time, and Apple is just catching up in certain important respects.
God nonononononononononononononono not another troll to this board. By your logic Windows Mobile 6 was "ahead of its time" just because it included folders before iOS. Which is downright batshit insane
if only they could cancel each other out and we not hear from either company regarding legalities for a few years. sick of seeing and hearing about these legal thugs and their bull****.
3) The Sprint Evo 4g had the front-facing camera before the iPhone 4. The front-facing camera on the Evo is incredibly easy to use, arguably much easier to use than the FaceTime app on the iPhone.
Funny I never heard of this incredible camera before. Pretty much everyone says iPhone 4's camera blows other smartphones out of the water, or at the very least gets even.
And how is FaceTime not easy to use?
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And, I guarantee you that Apple will rip-off the idea of using 4g data speeds in a phone from competitors once Apple releases the next version. But, I'm sure you'll turn a blind eye to that one as well.
Moderator, is this enough proof to you that he's a troll and you should.... you know.... BAN him?
Sounds like a familiar quote from all the forum topics defending Apple when they got sued. Oh, how hilarious it is when the tables are turned! Hypocrites.
Oh please. Then I can call pretty much every notebook maker an Apple copier because macbooks were the first notebooks with cameras
Front-facing camera and noise cancellation are additional, supplementary features, so that's like saying everyone also copied Apple with ambient light sensors on phones... that's just a logical step to take.
Multitouch defines the very essence of the product. It's completely different
That OS made by former Apple engineers?
apple engineers didn't make touch technology. apple aquired the company and the engineers. so what is your point regarding palm os?
oh right, you are under the delusion that apple builds and invents/ codes everything in house and has never stolen/borrowed/used any idea/software/hardware that originated outside of infinite loop.
There is color. There are also folders, which apple added just recently. The OS was way ahead of its time, and Apple is just catching up in certain important respects.
"Certain important respects" being "whatever irrelevant similarities I can pull out of my ass to play to the tiresome Apple never innovates game."
After all, painters had put pigment to canvas and framed it long before that pompous fool da Vinci thought of doing it, so I LOL at the Last Supper and it's so called "uniqueness."
Also: every single thing ever made by man that has some attribute in common with something previous. I guess the discovery of how to make a fire might count as "inventive", except they obviously copied it from nature.
Nokia sued for patents that by all reports they refused to license under the fair and nondiscriminatory terms that they are obligated to offer. That's why Apple refused to license them.
Nokia's report essentially confirms that. If they were using 'fair and nondiscriminatory' terms, as required by their membership in the cell phone consortium, there would be no need for lengthy negotiations. Simply "these are the terms that everybody in the industry receives."
They were clearly trying to extract extra money from Apple and Apple exercised their rights to decline to pay illegally requested license fees.
Unless I'm completely off base, patent holders are under zero obligation to license their patents to competitors, nor are they legally required to do so in a non-discriminatory way. A patent is a government-approved form of monopoly for a limited time period.
lovely idea. good thing they took a look over a PARC and saw the ALTO.
Ooh, you mean the Alto that didn't have drop down menus, drag and drop, double clicking, one to one icon to file mapping, Finder, dynamic window refresh, check-box selectable items, or a Trash Can and never saw the light of day as a commercial product outside of a $17,000 word processing station? Because they couldn't figure out a way to make all that neat GUI stuff happen within constrained hardware?
Mentioning Alto is a sure sign of reflexive, ignorance based Apple slapping.
apple engineers didn't make touch technology. apple aquired the company and the engineers. so what is your point regarding palm os?
oh right, you are under the delusion that apple builds and invents/ codes everything in house and has never stolen/borrowed/used any idea/software/hardware that originated outside of infinite loop.
Apple acquired the IP, Engineers and all assets, just like Apple didn't developer NeXTSTep, but acquired all the IP, assets and Engineering talent.
Unless I'm completely off base, patent holders are under zero obligation to license their patents to competitors, nor are they legally required to do so in a non-discriminatory way. A patent is a government-approved form of monopoly for a limited time period.
Patent holders are not obligated to license their technologies, that part is correct.
HOWEVER, a number of years ago when the lawsuits in the cell phone business got out of hand, all the major cell phone manufacturers got together and formed a group where each member of the group (including Nokia and Motorola) agreed to license all of their cell phone technologies to all comers for reasonable and nondiscriminatory rates.
By refusing to license to Apple at the same rates, Nokia is in violation of the agreement.
Patent holders are not obligated to license their technologies, that part is correct.
HOWEVER, a number of years ago when the lawsuits in the cell phone business got out of hand, all the major cell phone manufacturers got together and formed a group where each member of the group (including Nokia and Motorola) agreed to license all of their cell phone technologies to all comers for reasonable and nondiscriminatory rates.
By refusing to license to Apple at the same rates, Nokia is in violation of the agreement.
I see, so it's a voluntary industry-wide agreement... sounds suspiciously like collusion to me.
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Why WI?
Speed and favorable to plaintiffs
http://wistechnology.com/articles/3771/
Heck, if you want to talk about copying, you might as well include all the GUI elements that Apple blatantly ripped off PalmOS.
Personally, I wish that they had ripped off a few more...
In that case, well, Palm OS to be frank, sucked balls. I mean the interface was clunky, the RAM was limited, and the colors... well there wasn't any. .
This comment seems to be rooted in ignorance.
There is color. There are also folders, which apple added just recently. The OS was way ahead of its time, and Apple is just catching up in certain important respects.
Apple copied its competitors with including a front-facing camera and dual microphones for noise cancellation.
Oh please. Then I can call pretty much every notebook maker an Apple copier because macbooks were the first notebooks with cameras
Front-facing camera and noise cancellation are additional, supplementary features, so that's like saying everyone also copied Apple with ambient light sensors on phones... that's just a logical step to take.
Multitouch defines the very essence of the product. It's completely different
Heck, if you want to talk about copying, you might as well include all the GUI elements that Apple blatantly ripped off PalmOS.
That OS made by former Apple engineers?
There are also folders, which apple added just recently. The OS was way ahead of its time, and Apple is just catching up in certain important respects.
God nonononononononononononononono not another troll to this board. By your logic Windows Mobile 6 was "ahead of its time" just because it included folders before iOS. Which is downright batshit insane
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3) The Sprint Evo 4g had the front-facing camera before the iPhone 4. The front-facing camera on the Evo is incredibly easy to use, arguably much easier to use than the FaceTime app on the iPhone.
Funny I never heard of this incredible camera before. Pretty much everyone says iPhone 4's camera blows other smartphones out of the water, or at the very least gets even.
And how is FaceTime not easy to use?
And, I guarantee you that Apple will rip-off the idea of using 4g data speeds in a phone from competitors once Apple releases the next version. But, I'm sure you'll turn a blind eye to that one as well.
Moderator, is this enough proof to you that he's a troll and you should.... you know.... BAN him?
So what you are saying is if you want a rational, intelligent discussion, an Apple forum is not the place to have it?
I think it's obvious that there is no place to have a rational, intelligent discussion with you.
"If you can't compete, litigate."
Sounds like a familiar quote from all the forum topics defending Apple when they got sued. Oh, how hilarious it is when the tables are turned! Hypocrites.
Oh great, you're back?...
There are also folders, which apple added just recently.
As recent as 25 years ago.
Oh please. Then I can call pretty much every notebook maker an Apple copier because macbooks were the first notebooks with cameras
Front-facing camera and noise cancellation are additional, supplementary features, so that's like saying everyone also copied Apple with ambient light sensors on phones... that's just a logical step to take.
Multitouch defines the very essence of the product. It's completely different
That OS made by former Apple engineers?
apple engineers didn't make touch technology. apple aquired the company and the engineers. so what is your point regarding palm os?
oh right, you are under the delusion that apple builds and invents/ codes everything in house and has never stolen/borrowed/used any idea/software/hardware that originated outside of infinite loop.
This comment seems to be rooted in ignorance.
There is color. There are also folders, which apple added just recently. The OS was way ahead of its time, and Apple is just catching up in certain important respects.
"Certain important respects" being "whatever irrelevant similarities I can pull out of my ass to play to the tiresome Apple never innovates game."
After all, painters had put pigment to canvas and framed it long before that pompous fool da Vinci thought of doing it, so I LOL at the Last Supper and it's so called "uniqueness."
Also: every single thing ever made by man that has some attribute in common with something previous. I guess the discovery of how to make a fire might count as "inventive", except they obviously copied it from nature.
As recent as 25 years ago.
lovely idea. good thing they took a look over a PARC and saw the ALTO.
Not at all.
Nokia sued for patents that by all reports they refused to license under the fair and nondiscriminatory terms that they are obligated to offer. That's why Apple refused to license them.
Nokia's report essentially confirms that. If they were using 'fair and nondiscriminatory' terms, as required by their membership in the cell phone consortium, there would be no need for lengthy negotiations. Simply "these are the terms that everybody in the industry receives."
They were clearly trying to extract extra money from Apple and Apple exercised their rights to decline to pay illegally requested license fees.
Unless I'm completely off base, patent holders are under zero obligation to license their patents to competitors, nor are they legally required to do so in a non-discriminatory way. A patent is a government-approved form of monopoly for a limited time period.
lovely idea. good thing they took a look over a PARC and saw the ALTO.
Ooh, you mean the Alto that didn't have drop down menus, drag and drop, double clicking, one to one icon to file mapping, Finder, dynamic window refresh, check-box selectable items, or a Trash Can and never saw the light of day as a commercial product outside of a $17,000 word processing station? Because they couldn't figure out a way to make all that neat GUI stuff happen within constrained hardware?
Mentioning Alto is a sure sign of reflexive, ignorance based Apple slapping.
Why WI?
Probably due to a lack of back log?
lovely idea. good thing they took a look over a PARC and saw the ALTO.
And PARC got $125 Million in stock sales for that look and license.
apple engineers didn't make touch technology. apple aquired the company and the engineers. so what is your point regarding palm os?
oh right, you are under the delusion that apple builds and invents/ codes everything in house and has never stolen/borrowed/used any idea/software/hardware that originated outside of infinite loop.
Apple acquired the IP, Engineers and all assets, just like Apple didn't developer NeXTSTep, but acquired all the IP, assets and Engineering talent.
That's how it works.
Unless I'm completely off base, patent holders are under zero obligation to license their patents to competitors, nor are they legally required to do so in a non-discriminatory way. A patent is a government-approved form of monopoly for a limited time period.
Patent holders are not obligated to license their technologies, that part is correct.
HOWEVER, a number of years ago when the lawsuits in the cell phone business got out of hand, all the major cell phone manufacturers got together and formed a group where each member of the group (including Nokia and Motorola) agreed to license all of their cell phone technologies to all comers for reasonable and nondiscriminatory rates.
By refusing to license to Apple at the same rates, Nokia is in violation of the agreement.
Patent holders are not obligated to license their technologies, that part is correct.
HOWEVER, a number of years ago when the lawsuits in the cell phone business got out of hand, all the major cell phone manufacturers got together and formed a group where each member of the group (including Nokia and Motorola) agreed to license all of their cell phone technologies to all comers for reasonable and nondiscriminatory rates.
By refusing to license to Apple at the same rates, Nokia is in violation of the agreement.
I see, so it's a voluntary industry-wide agreement... sounds suspiciously like collusion to me.