A lot of jokes are like that... I can't help it if people have absurd beliefs.
Actually, the best jokes arise organically and in context, not random and forced.
As for absurd beliefs, a good skeptic is skeptical of everything, including skepticism. And no, you can't help what other people believe, but you can help how considerate -- or at least tolerant -- you are about it. I'd say the same if you were pushing religion at the expense of agnostic or atheistic ideologies; aggressive, unwarranted or patronizing proselytizing is unbecoming in any form, to include secular.
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Well... The number one reason is an economic one (always follow the money! ). The installed user base for OSX (and UNIX variants in general) is so small, statistically, that it's not worth the time to write code that targets it. Windows targeted malfeasance is ever-so-much more likely to show results.
Granted, but that's an argument for reduced risk, not zero risk.
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Two... it's just the way Unix is designed... It's much harder to get code onto a system without the users knowledge. No, it's not impossible, but it is harder. As for "Clean Install" ... you could always just go to your start-up items and delete the things you don't want running in the background. If it doesn't start-up, then it's not running and it's not using system resources. The OS really is designed to run for years and years without problems... Mine goes for months at a time without even restarting. Processes are much easier to delete than they are with Windows... I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Windows if you like it, the 2 OS's are just designed with different priorities.
Good suggestion on the start-up items, thank you.
As for getting code onto a system without a user's knowledge, you say it's not impossible, although it's unlikely. Agreed, but if something (of this nature) isn't impossible, I'm of the mind that somebody's likely doing it.
What a ludicrous response. No, I never "asserted" that I never had any computer issues.
Really? You didn't? What's this:
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I have never had a bugaboo in my system, and I wouldn't know where to find one if I wanted it.
In the context of this discussion, "bugaboos" and "issues" obviously equate, except perhaps for those in the cheap seats.
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In fact I never referenced any frequency or type of computer issues at all, so your implication is without a shred of justification.
Nothing was implied; it was, however, stated -- and in direct reference to a quotation from you.
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What I'm saying is quite clear. One more time for the cheap seats:
It's amusing that because you're disagreed with you assume you must not be understood. Or this is just all you have to say on the matter when opposed.
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If you are taking the drastic action of starting your Mac from scratch on an annual basis, then you'd better have a good reason. Since apparently the best reason you are able to articulate is the vague possibility of "bugaboos" and "malicious code" that you cannot seem to name
And the best counter reason you are able to articulate is the vague impossibility of "bugaboos" and "malicious code" you cannot seem to disprove.
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then I think it's obvious that you don't actually have a good reason. You are wasting your time, and risking data loss, to no good cause.
Malware is a fact. Also fact: Mac's risk and exposure is diminished, but isn't immune. I prefer to mitigate the risk with a method you clearly don't support, but my reason is good. I certainly accept that my method may be unnecessary, but do it because I prefer to increase my safety margin.
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I'm perfectly aware that this is a religious issue for some.
Clearly to include you, given the emotion you invest in the subject without -- to repeat myself -- facts or frames of reference beyond yourself. You happen to be a "believer" in Mac's total security. I'm not.
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Nuking and paving makes them feel better, and no logic need be applied.
If that's the only way you can understand it.
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Well, if it feels good, do it -- all I can ask is that you don't recommend this procedure to anyone else.
You're kind of a drama queen, huh?
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It's the classic solution in search of a problem.
You use that concept in error -- a problem has been posed: Mac's potential vulnerability to exploits. No solution has been posited, but a counter measure has.
Granted, but that's an argument for reduced risk, not zero risk.
Good suggestion on the start-up items, thank you.
As for getting code onto a system without a user's knowledge, you say it's not impossible, although it's unlikely. Agreed, but if something (of this nature) isn't impossible, I'm of the mind that somebody's likely doing it.
There is no such thing as zero risk ... even with your clean install.
and yes, somebody's doing it... and they're targeting the Windows OS simply because that's where they have an impact.
Is there a time in the future when MacOS will have the same problems we're talking about in the Windows world?... quite possibly. But it's not here yet. You're over reacting. But if it makes you feel better, it certainly doesn't HURT anything to do a "clean install"... just a lot more recovery work than I'd care to do.
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A lot of jokes are like that... I can't help it if people have absurd beliefs.
Actually, the best jokes arise organically and in context, not random and forced.
As for absurd beliefs, a good skeptic is skeptical of everything, including skepticism. And no, you can't help what other people believe, but you can help how considerate -- or at least tolerant -- you are about it. I'd say the same if you were pushing religion at the expense of agnostic or atheistic ideologies; aggressive, unwarranted or patronizing proselytizing is unbecoming in any form, to include secular.
Well... The number one reason is an economic one (always follow the money!
Granted, but that's an argument for reduced risk, not zero risk.
Two... it's just the way Unix is designed... It's much harder to get code onto a system without the users knowledge. No, it's not impossible, but it is harder. As for "Clean Install" ... you could always just go to your start-up items and delete the things you don't want running in the background. If it doesn't start-up, then it's not running and it's not using system resources. The OS really is designed to run for years and years without problems... Mine goes for months at a time without even restarting. Processes are much easier to delete than they are with Windows... I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Windows if you like it, the 2 OS's are just designed with different priorities.
Good suggestion on the start-up items, thank you.
As for getting code onto a system without a user's knowledge, you say it's not impossible, although it's unlikely. Agreed, but if something (of this nature) isn't impossible, I'm of the mind that somebody's likely doing it.
What a ludicrous response. No, I never "asserted" that I never had any computer issues.
Really? You didn't? What's this:
I have never had a bugaboo in my system, and I wouldn't know where to find one if I wanted it.
In the context of this discussion, "bugaboos" and "issues" obviously equate, except perhaps for those in the cheap seats.
In fact I never referenced any frequency or type of computer issues at all, so your implication is without a shred of justification.
Nothing was implied; it was, however, stated -- and in direct reference to a quotation from you.
What I'm saying is quite clear. One more time for the cheap seats:
It's amusing that because you're disagreed with you assume you must not be understood. Or this is just all you have to say on the matter when opposed.
If you are taking the drastic action of starting your Mac from scratch on an annual basis, then you'd better have a good reason. Since apparently the best reason you are able to articulate is the vague possibility of "bugaboos" and "malicious code" that you cannot seem to name
And the best counter reason you are able to articulate is the vague impossibility of "bugaboos" and "malicious code" you cannot seem to disprove.
then I think it's obvious that you don't actually have a good reason. You are wasting your time, and risking data loss, to no good cause.
Malware is a fact. Also fact: Mac's risk and exposure is diminished, but isn't immune. I prefer to mitigate the risk with a method you clearly don't support, but my reason is good. I certainly accept that my method may be unnecessary, but do it because I prefer to increase my safety margin.
I'm perfectly aware that this is a religious issue for some.
Clearly to include you, given the emotion you invest in the subject without -- to repeat myself -- facts or frames of reference beyond yourself. You happen to be a "believer" in Mac's total security. I'm not.
Nuking and paving makes them feel better, and no logic need be applied.
If that's the only way you can understand it.
Well, if it feels good, do it -- all I can ask is that you don't recommend this procedure to anyone else.
You're kind of a drama queen, huh?
It's the classic solution in search of a problem.
You use that concept in error -- a problem has been posed: Mac's potential vulnerability to exploits. No solution has been posited, but a counter measure has.
...
Granted, but that's an argument for reduced risk, not zero risk.
Good suggestion on the start-up items, thank you.
As for getting code onto a system without a user's knowledge, you say it's not impossible, although it's unlikely. Agreed, but if something (of this nature) isn't impossible, I'm of the mind that somebody's likely doing it.
There is no such thing as zero risk ... even with your clean install.
and yes, somebody's doing it... and they're targeting the Windows OS simply because that's where they have an impact.
Is there a time in the future when MacOS will have the same problems we're talking about in the Windows world?... quite possibly. But it's not here yet. You're over reacting. But if it makes you feel better, it certainly doesn't HURT anything to do a "clean install"... just a lot more recovery work than I'd care to do.