I've haven't heard of StreamToMe. How does it compare to AirVideo or Orb? Personally, I prefer AirVideo for video streaming over Orb for its video quality. It's quite good on iphones. I'll look into StreamToMe and compare it with AirVideo.
I have been playing with AirVideo on the iPad.
Seems OK. More granular adjustments/options than StreamToMe.
Except I can't figure out how to play full screen on the iPad with AirVideo?
Sure I realize that, but it wasn't a very funny joke because that is the mentality of the Flash haters - is that the Flash devs fear losing their livelihood and therefore want to hang on as long as possible when in fact, for the most part, they recognize the incredible power of Flash and the relatively limited alternatives available with HTML 5. I would say that all serious Flash developers (not Adobe employees) are perfectly content to let video playback be entirely HTML 5 as soon as most popular browsers support it. Flash video was just a temporary convenience while the video wars were being waged. Now it is becoming irrelevant. But Flash has so many other very powerful features that are unmatched in any other format. Sure, not usable on mobile but that is a deficiency with mobile not the other way around.
In my defense, my ?joke? only came after I agreed that Flash would be around for a long time to come.
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Originally Posted by ruel24
Exactly. I really considered getting my girlfriend an iPad, because all she ever really does could be done on one, but she plays a lot of those Facebook games (despite my trying to reason with her why not to) and they're in Flash. So, it's a no-go, for now, until those things become HTML-5 based.
1) Then an iPad would have gotten her off those Flash games?
2) I thought some of those Facebook games were playable on iDevices. I seem to recall Farmville being demoed at an Apple Event in the past.
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Originally Posted by addabox
Not to say 2011 won't see lots and lots of product come onto the market, and if they sell well maybe then we can talk about explosions, but to date it's all bee a polite fiction.
What happened to all those breakthrough, trendsetting tablets that were demoed at CES 2010? Oh yeah, the iPad happened 2 weeks later.
Ever since the iPad was released we've been playing this little game where we're obliged to talk about the "tablet market" and "exploding tablet sales" and "consumer excitement" etc.
We'll see. iPad just might be this year's Cabbage Patch Doll or a Pet Rock.
BTW still love your sig. I remember when that post showed up. Too bad they deleted it. That was priceless.
We'll see. iPad just might be this year's Cabbage Patch Doll or a Pet Rock.
BTW still love your sig. I remember when that post showed up. Too bad they deleted it. That was priceless.
Well, it could be, of course, but "fads" of the pet rock sort don't have anything to sustain them beyond "everybody's doing it", whereas the iPad seems to have actually delivered functionality that people really like.
At any rate, it seems unlikely that tablets are going to just go away, although it of course remains to be seen if the iPad continues to dominate the market or if some new contender manages to hit a price/performance/user experience home run (although I would argue Apple has already done that).
At this point the causation is speculative, though too coincidental to seem unlikely. We?ll have to see some real numbers and a long term trend to really know for sure. Playing devil?s advocate, it could be the economy is turning around so people are buying cheap notebooks over netbooks, or realizing that they get a lot more bang for their buck with a $400 notebook.
I completely disagree. Netbooks are a low cost and small notebook form factor that came about specifically because of the Intel Atom and other such chips. The MacBook Air, Dell Adamo, Voodoo Envy and other ultra-portable notebooks are not netbooks.
The MacBook Air performs higher than cheap notebooks and far above any netbook on the market. It uses a C2D CPU and Nvidia IGP that are more powerful than most cheap notebooks and cost more, on their own, than most netbooks.
I agree with all your points and I just don't see the iPad having anything to do with netbook sales or lack of sales. I have and iPad and I was never in the market for a netbook. Most of the people that I work with that have an iPad also were never in the market for a netbook.
The netbook market became very saturated and that is why sales dropped along with the fact most users simply don't benefit from a 10.1 inch mini notebook in the Windows world when they can buy a larger notebook for not that much more. Windows users are all about features have always have been when it comes to hardware and how much they are paying for that hardware. Its just a different world.
The results of the October survey of 3,108 customers were released Tuesday by ChangeWave. Respondents were asked about devices they plan to buy in the next 90 days, and the results show that just 14 percent of laptop buyers are eyeing a netbook, a full 10 points below the peak of netbooks in June 2009.
The only problem with this survey is that I doubt most consumers know what the hell a "netbook" even is, so to ask them if they plan to buy one is pointless. They might not know what a netbook is, but they could very well walk out of Best Buy with one of those tiny laptops that only cost $300.
That?s why I like to use the word ?obsolescing?. It?s moving toward becoming obsolete, but it?s not obsolete.
I think 30 years might be optimistic. Sony just stopped making 3.5? floppy discs this year and I can?t even remember that last computer I used that had one installed. With Flash, there are just too many features that have been bolted on and are well ingrained to be replaced overnight by open standards. The first has always been video, which has been the most prolific use of Flash on the web, but there are still many little uses of Flash that will be around for a very long time and on older browsers that can?t support newer standards.
PS: Even the HTML5/CSS3/JS laden MobileMe site uses Adobe Flash. If you go to iDisk and then choose to upload a file the green arrow will have a Flash overlay. I know it?s there because of ClickToFlash. My guess is that it?s to interact with the local system files, something that open standards can?t do as well or at all.
Well I don't really think its going to be 30 years but I think its going to be longer then 5 years and maybe before the 10 year mark. On the Windows side and even for the Android fans there is no outcry to kill Flash or for that matter most Windows users could care less.
This is a case where market share actually impacts how Adobe might react. Right now most other companies use the ability to play Flash as a benefit, Apple is the only one on the anti Flash bandwagon.
So while Flash is a cpu hog even with 10.1 but not nearly as bad as older version and still is a drain on battery life I am not sure the general public even understands that fact.
Apple is the only one on the anti Flash bandwagon.
So while Flash is a cpu hog even with 10.1 but not nearly as bad as older version and still is a drain on battery life I am not sure the general public even understands that fact.
MS has Silverlight as a Flash competitor and has been backing open standards more and more as the future of the web. The only difference is Jobs? statements about Flash, which were proven to be true when we look at the state of Flash for Mac OS X on resources and the time it took Adobe to get Flash running on the open Android and the HW requirements for it to run. If not for Silverlight pushing Adobe to add some very needed features to Flash and Jobs? calling out Flash I think Adobe would still be pushing a very inferior Flash Lite to mobiles.
Well I don't really think its going to be 30 years but I think its going to be longer then 5 years and maybe before the 10 year mark. On the Windows side and even for the Android fans there is no outcry to kill Flash or for that matter most Windows users could care less....
99% of the population could care less. The people that do care, most of all, are content providers, not individual consumers.
But, the decline of Flash will not be linear, it will be more hyperbolic -- think, threshold effect -- so a simple linear extrapolation based on its current usage decline doesn't give you an accurate life expectancy. I give it 2-5 years until it's essentially a little used niche technology.
...but I think its going to be longer then 5 years and maybe before the 10 year mark.
There are a lot of small/medium size business owners out there who are 5-10 years behind the times and will probably be asking us to put the 'new' Flash stuff on their home page for years to come. Although, cringe worthy, you can only suggest that it is not considered best practices, but if they insist, you just do it regardless of how stupid. Of course that is one more job you can't put in your portfolio.
Seems OK. More granular adjustments/options than StreamToMe.
Except I can't figure out how to play full screen on the iPad with AirVideo?
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Hi Dick,
I have AirVideo, and just bought ServeToMe for the audio capability.
For full screen, when you touch the video to get the controls, do you not have the maximize arrows on the right of the video controller? I have that and I'm able to view the videos full screen.
You do realize that you can stream audio and video over WiFi and 3G from your home (or any computer) to your iPad.
See the StreamToMe app & its personal computer companion ServeToMe.
We, routinely, stream home movies of soccer highlights to show others during practices -- in the middle of a park. There are 4 separate Macs running ServeToMe so we have a selection of 10,000 songs and 800 videos.
Hey, Dick, thank you for that! I've been wrestling with Elgato's EyeTV app for iPhone and iPad. I have Elgato tuners on two desktops and a laptop, all of which work fine for live TV on iPhones and iPads over our home network, but the EyeTV app fails when I try to watch recorded shows. StreamToMe works flawlessly over the network on anything in my EyeTV archive as well as most everything in iTunes - music, podcasts and more. So far I've put ServeToMe on one desktop and a MacBook.
Sure beats having to go through the two-step process of exporting every eyeTV recording and then syncing every show to an iPad through iTunes.
Next I'll have to try it using 3G. We'll see, but so far StreamToMe already is a great app for just $2.99.
Hey, I like my Samsung netbook. It works great as a stand-alone music server for my home stereo, running a Logitech Squeezebox. Nice little jukebox. If the iPad came with 128Gb+ of memory, I'd consider it, but I can't fit my 90Gb of .flac/.m4a files on any current iPads. Oh, and the Sammy cost only $280.
Main problem with netbooks is, they didn't change much in the previous 2 years (or so).
Average netbook still has Atom (a bit faster or slower, but not a major difference), 1GB of RAM, Windows XP, 10" 1024x600 screen... so why would people replace their existing one with a same new one..? Because plastic looks a bit flashier? I don't think so.
Netbook segment needs some big changes, otherwise over-saturation and technology stagnation will kill that segment.
Flash is a crashing technology, too. I've had so many failures of Flash in Safari it isn't funny. Upon upgrading the NewNewsWire app on my iMac today, they stated the following. "Flash is the biggest single cause of crashes in NetNewsWire." I agree.
Huh. That's an article describing slackening demand for netbooks in England, despite a bit of a back-to-school boost for the segment. Not seeing how that contradicts the article.
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Netbooks will sell 38-40 million units in 2010. How many iPads will be sold?
Probably about 15 million. So in its first year the iPad, a single device from a single company, is on track to capture over one third of the total sales of multiple machines from multiple companies, in a product category that until just recently was considered on fire, and which almost no one gave Apple any chance of challenging with their "big iPod Touch."
So, again, not seeing how that contradicts the article, especially since iPad sales could quite likely surpass netbooks sales (again, single product single company etc.) in '11.
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How many Netbooks have been sold so far.....more than all iPods????
Close to 300 million iPods have been sold to date, so, no.
Huh. That's an article describing slackening demand for netbooks in England, despite a bit of a back-to-school boost for the segment. Not seeing how that contradicts the article.
Probably about 15 million. So in its first year the iPad, a single device from a single company, is on track to capture over one third of the total sales of multiple machines from multiple companies, in a product category that until just recently was considered on fire, and which almost no one gave Apple any chance of challenging with their "big iPod Touch."
So, again, not seeing how that contradicts the article, especially since iPad sales could quite likely surpass netbooks sales (again, single product single company etc.) in '11.
Close to 300 million iPods have been sold to date, so, no.
It contriditcts the article because no where in the article does it prove that netbook sales are being impacted by iPad sales. Netbook sales are up over 2009, only they growth is down (103% from 2008 - 2009 vs 19% 2009 vs 2010). There is no proof that growth is down because of iPad sales. Netbooks are predicted to ship 45 million units in 2011.
Netbooks are part of computer sales NOT consumption device or I umm mean over priced tabl...or uh iPad sales.
Netbooks are part of computer sales NOT consumption device or I umm mean over priced tabl...or uh iPad sales.
It's kind of hard to refer to the iPad as an "overpriced tablet" considering that all of the tablet competition emerging now (at least half a year later!) is struggling to even match the iPad on price without either (1) using a much smaller screen, (2) subsidizing via a 2 year service contract, or (3) both.
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I've haven't heard of StreamToMe. How does it compare to AirVideo or Orb? Personally, I prefer AirVideo for video streaming over Orb for its video quality. It's quite good on iphones. I'll look into StreamToMe and compare it with AirVideo.
I have been playing with AirVideo on the iPad.
Seems OK. More granular adjustments/options than StreamToMe.
Except I can't figure out how to play full screen on the iPad with AirVideo?
.
Sure I realize that, but it wasn't a very funny joke because that is the mentality of the Flash haters - is that the Flash devs fear losing their livelihood and therefore want to hang on as long as possible when in fact, for the most part, they recognize the incredible power of Flash and the relatively limited alternatives available with HTML 5. I would say that all serious Flash developers (not Adobe employees) are perfectly content to let video playback be entirely HTML 5 as soon as most popular browsers support it. Flash video was just a temporary convenience while the video wars were being waged. Now it is becoming irrelevant. But Flash has so many other very powerful features that are unmatched in any other format. Sure, not usable on mobile but that is a deficiency with mobile not the other way around.
In my defense, my ?joke? only came after I agreed that Flash would be around for a long time to come.
Exactly. I really considered getting my girlfriend an iPad, because all she ever really does could be done on one, but she plays a lot of those Facebook games (despite my trying to reason with her why not to) and they're in Flash. So, it's a no-go, for now, until those things become HTML-5 based.
1) Then an iPad would have gotten her off those Flash games?
2) I thought some of those Facebook games were playable on iDevices. I seem to recall Farmville being demoed at an Apple Event in the past.
Not to say 2011 won't see lots and lots of product come onto the market, and if they sell well maybe then we can talk about explosions, but to date it's all bee a polite fiction.
What happened to all those breakthrough, trendsetting tablets that were demoed at CES 2010? Oh yeah, the iPad happened 2 weeks later.
Ever since the iPad was released we've been playing this little game where we're obliged to talk about the "tablet market" and "exploding tablet sales" and "consumer excitement" etc.
We'll see. iPad just might be this year's Cabbage Patch Doll or a Pet Rock.
BTW still love your sig. I remember when that post showed up. Too bad they deleted it. That was priceless.
Grammar problems ?
We'll see. iPad just might be this year's Cabbage Patch Doll or a Pet Rock.
BTW still love your sig. I remember when that post showed up. Too bad they deleted it. That was priceless.
Well, it could be, of course, but "fads" of the pet rock sort don't have anything to sustain them beyond "everybody's doing it", whereas the iPad seems to have actually delivered functionality that people really like.
At any rate, it seems unlikely that tablets are going to just go away, although it of course remains to be seen if the iPad continues to dominate the market or if some new contender manages to hit a price/performance/user experience home run (although I would argue Apple has already done that).
At this point the causation is speculative, though too coincidental to seem unlikely. We?ll have to see some real numbers and a long term trend to really know for sure. Playing devil?s advocate, it could be the economy is turning around so people are buying cheap notebooks over netbooks, or realizing that they get a lot more bang for their buck with a $400 notebook.
I completely disagree. Netbooks are a low cost and small notebook form factor that came about specifically because of the Intel Atom and other such chips. The MacBook Air, Dell Adamo, Voodoo Envy and other ultra-portable notebooks are not netbooks.
The MacBook Air performs higher than cheap notebooks and far above any netbook on the market. It uses a C2D CPU and Nvidia IGP that are more powerful than most cheap notebooks and cost more, on their own, than most netbooks.
I agree with all your points and I just don't see the iPad having anything to do with netbook sales or lack of sales. I have and iPad and I was never in the market for a netbook. Most of the people that I work with that have an iPad also were never in the market for a netbook.
The netbook market became very saturated and that is why sales dropped along with the fact most users simply don't benefit from a 10.1 inch mini notebook in the Windows world when they can buy a larger notebook for not that much more. Windows users are all about features have always have been when it comes to hardware and how much they are paying for that hardware. Its just a different world.
The results of the October survey of 3,108 customers were released Tuesday by ChangeWave. Respondents were asked about devices they plan to buy in the next 90 days, and the results show that just 14 percent of laptop buyers are eyeing a netbook, a full 10 points below the peak of netbooks in June 2009.
The only problem with this survey is that I doubt most consumers know what the hell a "netbook" even is, so to ask them if they plan to buy one is pointless. They might not know what a netbook is, but they could very well walk out of Best Buy with one of those tiny laptops that only cost $300.
That?s why I like to use the word ?obsolescing?. It?s moving toward becoming obsolete, but it?s not obsolete.
I think 30 years might be optimistic. Sony just stopped making 3.5? floppy discs this year and I can?t even remember that last computer I used that had one installed. With Flash, there are just too many features that have been bolted on and are well ingrained to be replaced overnight by open standards. The first has always been video, which has been the most prolific use of Flash on the web, but there are still many little uses of Flash that will be around for a very long time and on older browsers that can?t support newer standards.
PS: Even the HTML5/CSS3/JS laden MobileMe site uses Adobe Flash. If you go to iDisk and then choose to upload a file the green arrow will have a Flash overlay. I know it?s there because of ClickToFlash. My guess is that it?s to interact with the local system files, something that open standards can?t do as well or at all.
Well I don't really think its going to be 30 years but I think its going to be longer then 5 years and maybe before the 10 year mark. On the Windows side and even for the Android fans there is no outcry to kill Flash or for that matter most Windows users could care less.
This is a case where market share actually impacts how Adobe might react. Right now most other companies use the ability to play Flash as a benefit, Apple is the only one on the anti Flash bandwagon.
So while Flash is a cpu hog even with 10.1 but not nearly as bad as older version and still is a drain on battery life I am not sure the general public even understands that fact.
Apple is the only one on the anti Flash bandwagon.
So while Flash is a cpu hog even with 10.1 but not nearly as bad as older version and still is a drain on battery life I am not sure the general public even understands that fact.
MS has Silverlight as a Flash competitor and has been backing open standards more and more as the future of the web. The only difference is Jobs? statements about Flash, which were proven to be true when we look at the state of Flash for Mac OS X on resources and the time it took Adobe to get Flash running on the open Android and the HW requirements for it to run. If not for Silverlight pushing Adobe to add some very needed features to Flash and Jobs? calling out Flash I think Adobe would still be pushing a very inferior Flash Lite to mobiles.
Well I don't really think its going to be 30 years but I think its going to be longer then 5 years and maybe before the 10 year mark. On the Windows side and even for the Android fans there is no outcry to kill Flash or for that matter most Windows users could care less....
99% of the population could care less. The people that do care, most of all, are content providers, not individual consumers.
But, the decline of Flash will not be linear, it will be more hyperbolic -- think, threshold effect -- so a simple linear extrapolation based on its current usage decline doesn't give you an accurate life expectancy. I give it 2-5 years until it's essentially a little used niche technology.
...but I think its going to be longer then 5 years and maybe before the 10 year mark.
There are a lot of small/medium size business owners out there who are 5-10 years behind the times and will probably be asking us to put the 'new' Flash stuff on their home page for years to come. Although, cringe worthy, you can only suggest that it is not considered best practices, but if they insist, you just do it regardless of how stupid. Of course that is one more job you can't put in your portfolio.
I have been playing with AirVideo on the iPad.
Seems OK. More granular adjustments/options than StreamToMe.
Except I can't figure out how to play full screen on the iPad with AirVideo?
.
Hi Dick,
I have AirVideo, and just bought ServeToMe for the audio capability.
For full screen, when you touch the video to get the controls, do you not have the maximize arrows on the right of the video controller? I have that and I'm able to view the videos full screen.
You do realize that you can stream audio and video over WiFi and 3G from your home (or any computer) to your iPad.
See the StreamToMe app & its personal computer companion ServeToMe.
We, routinely, stream home movies of soccer highlights to show others during practices -- in the middle of a park. There are 4 separate Macs running ServeToMe so we have a selection of 10,000 songs and 800 videos.
Hey, Dick, thank you for that! I've been wrestling with Elgato's EyeTV app for iPhone and iPad. I have Elgato tuners on two desktops and a laptop, all of which work fine for live TV on iPhones and iPads over our home network, but the EyeTV app fails when I try to watch recorded shows. StreamToMe works flawlessly over the network on anything in my EyeTV archive as well as most everything in iTunes - music, podcasts and more. So far I've put ServeToMe on one desktop and a MacBook.
Sure beats having to go through the two-step process of exporting every eyeTV recording and then syncing every show to an iPad through iTunes.
Next I'll have to try it using 3G. We'll see, but so far StreamToMe already is a great app for just $2.99.
Hey, I like my Samsung netbook. It works great as a stand-alone music server for my home stereo, running a Logitech Squeezebox. Nice little jukebox. If the iPad came with 128Gb+ of memory, I'd consider it, but I can't fit my 90Gb of .flac/.m4a files on any current iPads. Oh, and the Sammy cost only $280.
Main problem with netbooks is, they didn't change much in the previous 2 years (or so).
Average netbook still has Atom (a bit faster or slower, but not a major difference), 1GB of RAM, Windows XP, 10" 1024x600 screen... so why would people replace their existing one with a same new one..? Because plastic looks a bit flashier? I don't think so.
Netbook segment needs some big changes, otherwise over-saturation and technology stagnation will kill that segment.
Flash is a dying technology.
Flash is a crashing technology, too. I've had so many failures of Flash in Safari it isn't funny. Upon upgrading the NewNewsWire app on my iMac today, they stated the following. "Flash is the biggest single cause of crashes in NetNewsWire." I agree.
Netbooks down maybe, but not for sure...
http://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn/comm...lourish-summer
Netbooks will sell 38-40 million units in 2010. How many iPads will be sold?
How many Netbooks have been sold so far.....more than all iPods????
Appleinsider the "Glenn Beck" of biased Apple BS.
That seems.... a bit over the top.
Netbooks down maybe, but not for sure...
http://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn/comm...lourish-summer
Huh. That's an article describing slackening demand for netbooks in England, despite a bit of a back-to-school boost for the segment. Not seeing how that contradicts the article.
Netbooks will sell 38-40 million units in 2010. How many iPads will be sold?
Probably about 15 million. So in its first year the iPad, a single device from a single company, is on track to capture over one third of the total sales of multiple machines from multiple companies, in a product category that until just recently was considered on fire, and which almost no one gave Apple any chance of challenging with their "big iPod Touch."
So, again, not seeing how that contradicts the article, especially since iPad sales could quite likely surpass netbooks sales (again, single product single company etc.) in '11.
How many Netbooks have been sold so far.....more than all iPods????
Close to 300 million iPods have been sold to date, so, no.
That seems.... a bit over the top.
Huh. That's an article describing slackening demand for netbooks in England, despite a bit of a back-to-school boost for the segment. Not seeing how that contradicts the article.
Probably about 15 million. So in its first year the iPad, a single device from a single company, is on track to capture over one third of the total sales of multiple machines from multiple companies, in a product category that until just recently was considered on fire, and which almost no one gave Apple any chance of challenging with their "big iPod Touch."
So, again, not seeing how that contradicts the article, especially since iPad sales could quite likely surpass netbooks sales (again, single product single company etc.) in '11.
Close to 300 million iPods have been sold to date, so, no.
It contriditcts the article because no where in the article does it prove that netbook sales are being impacted by iPad sales. Netbook sales are up over 2009, only they growth is down (103% from 2008 - 2009 vs 19% 2009 vs 2010). There is no proof that growth is down because of iPad sales. Netbooks are predicted to ship 45 million units in 2011.
Netbooks are part of computer sales NOT consumption device or I umm mean over priced tabl...or uh iPad sales.
Netbooks are part of computer sales NOT consumption device or I umm mean over priced tabl...or uh iPad sales.
It's kind of hard to refer to the iPad as an "overpriced tablet" considering that all of the tablet competition emerging now (at least half a year later!) is struggling to even match the iPad on price without either (1) using a much smaller screen, (2) subsidizing via a 2 year service contract, or (3) both.
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