Life ain't exactly a bed of roses for France's North Africans either, Outsider.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Whose fault is that? (I'm not attacking you) but it seems that France opened the floodgates a while ago for immigrants for the sake of not being xenophobic and they have regretted it. Many European countries have strict immigration laws and France is following suit. But they can't deport the ones already there.
Whose fault is that? (I'm not attacking you) but it seems that France opened the floodgates a while ago for immigrants for the sake of not being xenophobic and they have regretted it. Many European countries have strict immigration laws and France is following suit. But they can't deport the ones already there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey Outsider...
It's curious, on the one hand the French have loved North African cooking, music, interiors and all that for years as a legacy of the colonies, and on the other it has been open to accusations of being a bit of a monoculture. I don't know. Unemployment is shocking among the young Arab kids in urban France anyway...
And Powerdoc can probably provide the details, but I know that until comparatively recently the North African colonies were actually part of 'Metropolitan France' and citizens were allowed residence, no stress... (met a nice Algerian girl called Eve who gave me the details... I forget now.) Something like that. Doc? Anyways, I don't think it was as simple as France 'throwing open the floodgates' so as not to appear xenophobic.
The point I wanted to make was that the same people who desecrate synagogues tend to desecrate mosques too! Racist bastÃ*rd dem don't really discriminate with their discrimination, if you get my drift. They don't prefer hating Jews to Arabs; general purpose hate does the trick.
I think France is actually a surprisingly tolerant place, on the whole, although it certainly has its problems and Jean Marie le Pen is possibly the Devil.
The point I wanted to make was that the same people who desecrate synagogues tend to desecrate mosques too! Racist bastÃ*rd dem don't really discriminate with their discrimination, if you get my drift. They don't prefer hating Jews to Arabs; general purpose hate does the trick.
I think France is actually a surprisingly tolerant place, on the whole, although it certainly has its problems and Jean Marie le Pen is possibly the Devil.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You should never underestimate the blind fanatism with which some of the American public on this board like to portray Europeans (since we don´t have our own countries and cultures) as being anti semitist.
<strong>I think it's sad that such an idea can find purchase in a country such as France. Also, the lack of any concerted effort on the part of the French gov to stem the violent antisemitism that is occuring within its borders is criminal. Something is rotten in the State of France.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How do you know that France gov lack of effort to stem antisemitism ?
- synagogues are protected
- the denial of the holocaust is a felony in France and you can be sued for that (and you will be certainly). The propaganda of Nazism is strictly forbidden : you cannot buy nazi stuff in France even on Internet.
Now there is many different cultures here, and each gov try to keep peace between them, the events of Middle east tend to make some stress between the jews and the north african of France (even if normally they leave peacefully together) so the gov is here to calm down, not to pull oil on the fire. Our president Jacques Chirac (but i understand that you have much better things than to listen to his declarations) make a strong declaration about this on TV many times. These last weeks, there where very few (for what i eard) antisemit acts, so things calm down and have returned to normal. And it's better like this.
Can I get this straight? Are you saying that when you "open the floodgates" on immigration you tend to regret it?
I genuinely may be misunderstanding, but this sounds like you may be thinking one would "regret it" because of the usual reasons: foreigners taking all the jobs, being culturally different in public places and making the metro look all brown, causing "trouble," raping our women etc. ... at least this is certainly the normal sense of "regret it" when used in this context even if your meaning is different or less strong. Certainly language like "floodgates" and "regret" sounds like it.
If so, I'd find this confidence in a causal link between immigration and "regret" pretty damn ironic coming from an American.
I will only note that if buying a book registers as support for the contents of the book, a lot of people who are curious or concerned about culture and history are in trouble. There might be a lot of people just trying to see what all the fuss is about.
After all, you can't honestly agree or disagree with a work until you've read it. Sturgeon's Law applies to secondary sources.
<strong>I will only note that if buying a book registers as support for the contents of the book, a lot of people who are curious or concerned about culture and history are in trouble.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh yes.
On my shelf:
Marx:Das Kapital
Friedman:Capitalism and Freedom
Giddens:The third way
Hoogvelt:Globalization and the postcolonial world
Klein:No Logo
Hitler: Mein Kampf
Weber:The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism
Luhmann:Soziale Systeme
Durkheim:The division of labor in society
This collection would both make me very scizofrenic and blood enemies with myself several times if they represented what I believe.
<strong>I will only note that if buying a book registers as support for the contents of the book, a lot of people who are curious or concerned about culture and history are in trouble. There might be a lot of people just trying to see what all the fuss is about.
After all, you can't honestly agree or disagree with a work until you've read it. Sturgeon's Law applies to secondary sources.</strong><hr></blockquote>
heheh
Well, I think it?s "curious" that some people in France found this book "curious" ?
I wonder how well this book sold in other countries. Could make for an interesting sociology paper?
Weber:The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism
Luhmann:Soziale Systeme
Durkheim:The division of labor in society
This collection would both make me very scizofrenic and blood enemies with myself several times if they represented what I believe.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I always took you for a basket case. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Scott, you are an arrogant *******. You stereotype an entire nation of people as "dumb" just because a popular book just happens to introduce an alternative theory to 9/11? This is arrogance at it's most global level. THIS is the sort of jingoism derided in the epic "My Statement to the Nations That Hate US" thread. Go join SDW over american food and coffee while you spread your sickening jingoism.
In popular usage basket case refers to someone in a hopeless mental condition, but in origin it did have a physical meaning. In the grim slang of the British army during World War I, it referred to a quadruple amputee. This is one of several expressions that first became popular in World War I, or that entered American army slang from British English at that time. Some of these words reflect technical inventions and innovations of the time, such as parachute, blimp, tank, and bomber, and still have clear military associations. Others have lost most or all of their military connotations, such as ace, chow, slacker, and dud.
Pdoc, why you would assume the later is kinda freaky.
Oh thank god you're here. Could you please post a list of "approved" books for us?
I'll give you a hand burning the rest.
You're keeping good company again.
Harald</strong><hr></blockquote>
Happy times are here again, eh clever? I see you're keeping true to your good form, clever. Here are a couple more books you can add to your bon fire. I just placed an order for these at the local library.
] Bat Ye'or: The Dhimmi and Jews and Christians under Islam.
] Dr David Forte: The Legal Questions of Non Moslems under Islam.
In popular usage basket case refers to someone in a hopeless mental condition, but in origin it did have a physical meaning. In the grim slang of the British army during World War I, it referred to a quadruple amputee. This is one of several expressions that first became popular in World War I, or that entered American army slang from British English at that time. Some of these words reflect technical inventions and innovations of the time, such as parachute, blimp, tank, and bomber, and still have clear military associations. Others have lost most or all of their military connotations, such as ace, chow, slacker, and dud.
Pdoc, why you would assume the later is kinda freaky.
i knew that ( after reading in a book of american slang and idioms) but couldn't resist from kidding
This dictionnary tell to that it refers to a mental disease caracterized by the need for the people to be in charge of someone else, a total lack of independance. I don't think it's refear to the case of Anders. The only disease of Anders i know is Burgermania. If you are interest i can give you the exact definition of the dictionnary when i will return home.
However i bought a book name Basket case from Carl Hiassen, i wish it will as fun as the Installer said it is.
Even if we take your more limited definition, it still applies perfectly as regards Anders. Reading his posts you can clearly discern the total lack of critical independence in his thoughts, as they are just recycled leftist gibberish. This crap has already been debunked in the states, but I guess the Europeans are a little slower.
mika.
PS. I'm glad you?ve picked up on the play of words.
<strong>Yeh, Mika, you got it. All that leftist bunkum DE-bunked in the states, and poor old Yoorp left scratching its head. Checked out <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=001469"; target="_blank">this thread </a> for some proof you're in the right (again)?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read the thread...
My advice to you: MOVE!
You'll be better off, and so will America.
mika.
PS. please stay away from Israel... don't need your kind over here. bad for moral...
Comments
<strong>
Life ain't exactly a bed of roses for France's North Africans either, Outsider.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Whose fault is that? (I'm not attacking you) but it seems that France opened the floodgates a while ago for immigrants for the sake of not being xenophobic and they have regretted it. Many European countries have strict immigration laws and France is following suit. But they can't deport the ones already there.
<strong>
Whose fault is that? (I'm not attacking you) but it seems that France opened the floodgates a while ago for immigrants for the sake of not being xenophobic and they have regretted it. Many European countries have strict immigration laws and France is following suit. But they can't deport the ones already there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey Outsider...
It's curious, on the one hand the French have loved North African cooking, music, interiors and all that for years as a legacy of the colonies, and on the other it has been open to accusations of being a bit of a monoculture. I don't know. Unemployment is shocking among the young Arab kids in urban France anyway...
And Powerdoc can probably provide the details, but I know that until comparatively recently the North African colonies were actually part of 'Metropolitan France' and citizens were allowed residence, no stress... (met a nice Algerian girl called Eve who gave me the details... I forget now.) Something like that. Doc? Anyways, I don't think it was as simple as France 'throwing open the floodgates' so as not to appear xenophobic.
The point I wanted to make was that the same people who desecrate synagogues tend to desecrate mosques too! Racist bastÃ*rd dem don't really discriminate with their discrimination, if you get my drift. They don't prefer hating Jews to Arabs; general purpose hate does the trick.
I think France is actually a surprisingly tolerant place, on the whole, although it certainly has its problems and Jean Marie le Pen is possibly the Devil.
[ 06-25-2002: Message edited by: Hassan i-Sabbah ]</p>
<strong>
The point I wanted to make was that the same people who desecrate synagogues tend to desecrate mosques too! Racist bastÃ*rd dem don't really discriminate with their discrimination, if you get my drift. They don't prefer hating Jews to Arabs; general purpose hate does the trick.
I think France is actually a surprisingly tolerant place, on the whole, although it certainly has its problems and Jean Marie le Pen is possibly the Devil.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You should never underestimate the blind fanatism with which some of the American public on this board like to portray Europeans (since we don´t have our own countries and cultures) as being anti semitist.
<strong>I think it's sad that such an idea can find purchase in a country such as France. Also, the lack of any concerted effort on the part of the French gov to stem the violent antisemitism that is occuring within its borders is criminal. Something is rotten in the State of France.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How do you know that France gov lack of effort to stem antisemitism ?
- synagogues are protected
- the denial of the holocaust is a felony in France and you can be sued for that (and you will be certainly). The propaganda of Nazism is strictly forbidden : you cannot buy nazi stuff in France even on Internet.
Now there is many different cultures here, and each gov try to keep peace between them, the events of Middle east tend to make some stress between the jews and the north african of France (even if normally they leave peacefully together) so the gov is here to calm down, not to pull oil on the fire. Our president Jacques Chirac (but i understand that you have much better things than to listen to his declarations) make a strong declaration about this on TV many times. These last weeks, there where very few (for what i eard) antisemit acts, so things calm down and have returned to normal. And it's better like this.
- synagogues are protected
<hr></blockquote>
This American reports that police protection (a gendarme stationed) of synagogues has been true for some time.
Can I get this straight? Are you saying that when you "open the floodgates" on immigration you tend to regret it?
I genuinely may be misunderstanding, but this sounds like you may be thinking one would "regret it" because of the usual reasons: foreigners taking all the jobs, being culturally different in public places and making the metro look all brown, causing "trouble," raping our women etc. ... at least this is certainly the normal sense of "regret it" when used in this context even if your meaning is different or less strong. Certainly language like "floodgates" and "regret" sounds like it.
If so, I'd find this confidence in a causal link between immigration and "regret" pretty damn ironic coming from an American.
[ 06-26-2002: Message edited by: Harald ]</p>
After all, you can't honestly agree or disagree with a work until you've read it. Sturgeon's Law applies to secondary sources.
<strong>I will only note that if buying a book registers as support for the contents of the book, a lot of people who are curious or concerned about culture and history are in trouble.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh yes.
On my shelf:
Marx: Das Kapital
Friedman: Capitalism and Freedom
Giddens: The third way
Hoogvelt: Globalization and the postcolonial world
Klein: No Logo
Hitler: Mein Kampf
Weber: The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism
Luhmann: Soziale Systeme
Durkheim: The division of labor in society
This collection would both make me very scizofrenic and blood enemies with myself several times if they represented what I believe.
<strong>I will only note that if buying a book registers as support for the contents of the book, a lot of people who are curious or concerned about culture and history are in trouble. There might be a lot of people just trying to see what all the fuss is about.
After all, you can't honestly agree or disagree with a work until you've read it. Sturgeon's Law applies to secondary sources.</strong><hr></blockquote>
heheh
Well, I think it?s "curious" that some people in France found this book "curious" ?
I wonder how well this book sold in other countries. Could make for an interesting sociology paper?
mika.
<strong>
Oh yes.
On my shelf:
Marx: Das Kapital
Friedman: Capitalism and Freedom
Giddens: The third way
Hoogvelt: Globalization and the postcolonial world
Klein: No Logo
Hitler: Mein Kampf
Weber: The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism
Luhmann: Soziale Systeme
Durkheim: The division of labor in society
This collection would both make me very scizofrenic and blood enemies with myself several times if they represented what I believe.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I always took you for a basket case. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
mika.
<strong>
I always took you for a basket case. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you mean that he has no arms and no legs ?
<img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Oh thank god you're here. Could you please post a list of "approved" books for us?
I'll give you a hand burning the rest.
You're keeping good company again.
Harald
<strong>
Do you mean that he has no arms and no legs ?
:eek:
In popular usage basket case refers to someone in a hopeless mental condition, but in origin it did have a physical meaning. In the grim slang of the British army during World War I, it referred to a quadruple amputee. This is one of several expressions that first became popular in World War I, or that entered American army slang from British English at that time. Some of these words reflect technical inventions and innovations of the time, such as parachute, blimp, tank, and bomber, and still have clear military associations. Others have lost most or all of their military connotations, such as ace, chow, slacker, and dud.
Pdoc, why you would assume the later is kinda freaky.
mika.
[ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
<strong>Mika,
Oh thank god you're here. Could you please post a list of "approved" books for us?
I'll give you a hand burning the rest.
You're keeping good company again.
Harald</strong><hr></blockquote>
Happy times are here again, eh clever? I see you're keeping true to your good form, clever. Here are a couple more books you can add to your bon fire. I just placed an order for these at the local library.
] Bat Ye'or: The Dhimmi and Jews and Christians under Islam.
] Dr David Forte: The Legal Questions of Non Moslems under Islam.
mika.
[ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
<strong>
:eek:
In popular usage basket case refers to someone in a hopeless mental condition, but in origin it did have a physical meaning. In the grim slang of the British army during World War I, it referred to a quadruple amputee. This is one of several expressions that first became popular in World War I, or that entered American army slang from British English at that time. Some of these words reflect technical inventions and innovations of the time, such as parachute, blimp, tank, and bomber, and still have clear military associations. Others have lost most or all of their military connotations, such as ace, chow, slacker, and dud.
Pdoc, why you would assume the later is kinda freaky.
mika.
[ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
i knew that ( after reading in a book of american slang and idioms) but couldn't resist from kidding
This dictionnary tell to that it refers to a mental disease caracterized by the need for the people to be in charge of someone else, a total lack of independance. I don't think it's refear to the case of Anders. The only disease of Anders i know is Burgermania. If you are interest i can give you the exact definition of the dictionnary when i will return home.
However i bought a book name Basket case from Carl Hiassen, i wish it will as fun as the Installer said it is.
Even if we take your more limited definition, it still applies perfectly as regards Anders. Reading his posts you can clearly discern the total lack of critical independence in his thoughts, as they are just recycled leftist gibberish. This crap has already been debunked in the states, but I guess the Europeans are a little slower.
mika.
PS. I'm glad you?ve picked up on the play of words.
Maybe there is hope for you people after all.
[ 06-28-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
<strong>Yeh, Mika, you got it. All that leftist bunkum DE-bunked in the states, and poor old Yoorp left scratching its head. Checked out <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=001469"; target="_blank">this thread </a> for some proof you're in the right (again)?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read the thread...
My advice to you: MOVE!
You'll be better off, and so will America.
mika.
PS. please stay away from Israel... don't need your kind over here. bad for moral...