That's 3 times you've chosen not to deny you're proposing ethnic cleansing. In fact you've supported this with your comments but not had the guts to use the phrase.
That's twice you've chosen not to tell me why you think people round the world abhor ethnic cleansing.
That's once you've chosen not to deny you're proposing a fascist solution to a problem, but used someone else's obscene behaviour to justify your own.
[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>I find it a little disingenuous of you to criticize me for this, since the Arabs have been practicing this for centuries and still go on practicing this. Yet you turn a blind eye to their practices. However, when I propose a similar strategy be adopted by Israel you become all indignant. You stink of duplicity and double standard, Sir.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1) I'm talking to *you*, not an Arab.
2) I have never, would never condone ethnic cleansing under any circumstances. Hence no duplicity.
3) If someone else does it, it doesn't make it right.
You are proposing Israel should "aggressively use psychological, economic, and other pressures to disconnect these populations from its land", land that is theirs by birthright -- literally: they were born there, their parents were born their, their parents were born there.
YOU are suggesting this.
I am talking to YOU.
You, the Israeli who uses chains of thought Hitler would have understood.
It?s really a reactionary policy. I much prefer the American model. But,
It?s part of their religion. And as long as they believe in their religion, little can change. And just like the building in Judea Samaria and Gaza has brought a change in their mindset and has prompted the Arabs to the negotiating table, this policy, I hope, will bring the same change of mindset with regards to this issue.
I have never, would never condone ethnic cleansing under any circumstances. Hence no duplicity.
Really?!? But you have.
Why should Israel "dismantle" Jewish ?Settlements? in Judea Samaria and Gaza, to produce an ethnically cleansed ?Palestine?, yet not pursue such a policy with regards to its Arab population?
There's no real way to respond to this. Beyond abuse, which is coming very shortly.
You are a fascist, a racist, a sophist, and an idiot.
You've admitted to proposing ethnic cleansing, and you've tacitly acknowledged this is fascist. I'm not going to get through to you, I'm not going to make you see that -- without rhetoric -- you are no better then a Nazi.
I just wish you could see that you are as bad as the worst people that ever walked the earth. As bad as the worst of the Arabs you hate.
I am also quite, quite certain you have never experienced satisfactory sex with a woman. This thought will make me smile whenever I am forced to face the fact that scum like you take breath on this earth. My dead granny and all the other Jews that died in the holocaust join me in laughter at your pitiful genitals, to assuage the pain caused by an Israeli putting himself on the same side of the moral fence as the Nazis, no matter his justificaction. Vanishingly small penis, premature ejaculation or possibly an appalling odour that discourages even the most desperate female. I don't know. Object of derision. Denied the eye-opening awe caused by any meaningful orgasm.
Respond how you like fella, I'm not coming back to this thread to argue the toss with a goat-shagging shitwit like you.
[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>It?s really reactionary policy. I much prefer the American model. But,
It?s part of their religion. And as long as they believe in their religion, little can change. And just like the building in Judea Samaria and Gaza has brought a change in their mindset and has prompted the Arabs to the negotiating table, this policy, I hope, will bring the same change of mindset with regards to this issue.</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Why should Israel "dismantle" Jewish ?Settlements? in Judea Samaria and Gaza, to produce an ethnically cleansed ?Palestine?, yet not pursue such a policy with regards to its Arab population?<hr></blockquote>
Do the settlements and settlers have legal rights to the land they have settled, vis-a-vis the situation with "Israeli arabs" who have Israeli passports, are officially Israeli citizens, and are entitled to legal rights offered to all Israeli citizens.
It is my understanding that some settlements are constructed on confiscated land, whereby the legal owners have not been compensated for their loss of property. That, under the laws of many countries makes them illegal.
I just wish you could see that you are as bad as the worst people that ever walked the earth. As bad as the worst of the Arabs you hate, as bad
I am also quite, quite certain you have never experienced satisfactory sex with a woman. This thought will make me smile whenever I am forced to face the fact that scum like you take breath on this earth. My dead granny and all the other Jews that died in the holocaust join me in laughter at your pitiful genitals, to assuage the pain caused by an Israeli putting himself on the same side of the moral fence as the Nazis, no matter his justificaction. Vanishingly small penis, premature ejaculation or possibly an appalling odour that discourages even the most desperate female. I don't know. Object of derision. Denied the eye-opening awe caused by any meaningful orgasm.
Calm down Stipmy.
All I?m doing is holding up a mirror. It is you who were defending these creatures, remember? Now, if leftist pinkos like you only applied their pious standards to those that are deserving of them, maybe they would make affect some change in the world. But so far, I've heard very little criticism from you as regards the Arabs and their ?fascist? practices. In fact, you?ve done your utmost to deflect and to shift the blame from the Arab ?fascists? onto their victims.
In your last few posts you've given a great definition of ethnic cleansing, endorsed the policy, claimed victimhood and then accused the man who says you're behaving like a fascist of hypocrisy.
Not quite so black and white in the Middle East. A portion of those with no rights in the Middle East also reside inside Israel, they just happen to be Israeli Arabs [technically they do have rights, there is just a large gap between theory and practice</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Originally posted by cowerd:
<strong>
Do the settlements and settlers have legal rights to the land they have settled, vis-a-vis the situation with "Israeli arabs" who have Israeli passports, are officially Israeli citizens, and are entitled to legal rights offered to all Israeli citizens.
It is my understanding that some settlements are constructed on confiscated land, whereby the legal owners have not been compensated for their loss of property. That, under the laws of many countries makes them illegal.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Make up your mind. They do or they don?t ...
And your understanding is wrong. Also, the legal situation, according to international law, is that the State of Israel is sovereign over the entire area of the Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.
In your last few posts you've given a great definition of ethnic cleansing, endorsed the policy, claimed victimhood and then accused the man who says you're behaving like a fascist of hypocrisy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not at all.
I've just pointed out the duplicity of your arguments and your position. While my proposals were theoretical, you were defending people who every day practice these fascist policies. Again you confuse fiction and reality.
[quote]Make up your mind. They do or they don?t ...<hr></blockquote>
read carefully--technically they are supposed to have rights accrded to them, in practice...
[quote]And your understanding is wrong. Also, the legal situation, according to international law, is that the State of Israel is sovereign over the entire area of the Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.<hr></blockquote>
Which would make the confiscation of said property illegal under Israeli law. But then again there are two sets of rules in operation. You just advocate making them explicit--like apartheid in South Africa.
Oh righty. Then they?ll be happy to join their Arab brethren across the border in Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. Or maybe they can orchestrate another intifada inside the green line. Either or these will be fine by me.
And I?ll repeat again. Your understanding is wrong.
The Jewish residences are built on mountain or hilltops overlooking their Arab counterparts. So your confiscation and expropriation argument is bogus as far as they are concerned.
Moreover, the legal history of the "West Bank" gives Israel a lawful claim to sovereignty over the entire land from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan river and beyond.
Jordanian rule over this territory was never recognized by the international community. Indeed, the British Mandate allocated it for Jewish development, eventually to become a Jewish state. This was ratified by The League of Nations in 1922 and 1923.
Since then there has been another world war, followed by the establishment of the United Nations; but the Partition Plan of Nov. 1947 did not abolish those earlier international commitments, especially since the Arabs rejected them.
"International humanitarian law prohibits an occupying power from transferring citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory. An occupying power is also prohibited from undertaking permanent changes in the occupied area, unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population or are for urgent military needs. Israel's settlement policy violates these regulations."
How does this apply? Did you not read my last post? The legality of the situation is quite clear. Israel is in full compliance with international law.
Let me ask you this. You say Israel is an occupying power. What country is Israel occupying? In fact, one can argue that since these Arabs are illegal combatants, under international law, Israel can do as she wishes with these people.
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That's twice you've chosen not to tell me why you think people round the world abhor ethnic cleansing.
That's once you've chosen not to deny you're proposing a fascist solution to a problem, but used someone else's obscene behaviour to justify your own.
[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>I find it a little disingenuous of you to criticize me for this, since the Arabs have been practicing this for centuries and still go on practicing this. Yet you turn a blind eye to their practices. However, when I propose a similar strategy be adopted by Israel you become all indignant. You stink of duplicity and double standard, Sir.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1) I'm talking to *you*, not an Arab.
2) I have never, would never condone ethnic cleansing under any circumstances. Hence no duplicity.
3) If someone else does it, it doesn't make it right.
You are proposing Israel should "aggressively use psychological, economic, and other pressures to disconnect these populations from its land", land that is theirs by birthright -- literally: they were born there, their parents were born their, their parents were born there.
YOU are suggesting this.
I am talking to YOU.
You, the Israeli who uses chains of thought Hitler would have understood.
It?s part of their religion. And as long as they believe in their religion, little can change. And just like the building in Judea Samaria and Gaza has brought a change in their mindset and has prompted the Arabs to the negotiating table, this policy, I hope, will bring the same change of mindset with regards to this issue.
mika.
[ 07-04-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
I have never, would never condone ethnic cleansing under any circumstances. Hence no duplicity.
Really?!? But you have.
Why should Israel "dismantle" Jewish ?Settlements? in Judea Samaria and Gaza, to produce an ethnically cleansed ?Palestine?, yet not pursue such a policy with regards to its Arab population?
mika.
You are a fascist, a racist, a sophist, and an idiot.
You've admitted to proposing ethnic cleansing, and you've tacitly acknowledged this is fascist. I'm not going to get through to you, I'm not going to make you see that -- without rhetoric -- you are no better then a Nazi.
I just wish you could see that you are as bad as the worst people that ever walked the earth. As bad as the worst of the Arabs you hate.
I am also quite, quite certain you have never experienced satisfactory sex with a woman. This thought will make me smile whenever I am forced to face the fact that scum like you take breath on this earth. My dead granny and all the other Jews that died in the holocaust join me in laughter at your pitiful genitals, to assuage the pain caused by an Israeli putting himself on the same side of the moral fence as the Nazis, no matter his justificaction. Vanishingly small penis, premature ejaculation or possibly an appalling odour that discourages even the most desperate female. I don't know. Object of derision. Denied the eye-opening awe caused by any meaningful orgasm.
Respond how you like fella, I'm not coming back to this thread to argue the toss with a goat-shagging shitwit like you.
[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>It?s really reactionary policy. I much prefer the American model. But,
It?s part of their religion. And as long as they believe in their religion, little can change. And just like the building in Judea Samaria and Gaza has brought a change in their mindset and has prompted the Arabs to the negotiating table, this policy, I hope, will bring the same change of mindset with regards to this issue.</strong><hr></blockquote>
[ 07-04-2002: Message edited by: Harald ]</p>
Do the settlements and settlers have legal rights to the land they have settled, vis-a-vis the situation with "Israeli arabs" who have Israeli passports, are officially Israeli citizens, and are entitled to legal rights offered to all Israeli citizens.
It is my understanding that some settlements are constructed on confiscated land, whereby the legal owners have not been compensated for their loss of property. That, under the laws of many countries makes them illegal.
<strong>There's no real way to respond to this. Beyond abuse, which is coming very shortly.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Er... no shit, Harald.
[ 07-04-2002: Message edited by: Hassan i-Sabbah ]</p>
I just wish you could see that you are as bad as the worst people that ever walked the earth. As bad as the worst of the Arabs you hate, as bad
I am also quite, quite certain you have never experienced satisfactory sex with a woman. This thought will make me smile whenever I am forced to face the fact that scum like you take breath on this earth. My dead granny and all the other Jews that died in the holocaust join me in laughter at your pitiful genitals, to assuage the pain caused by an Israeli putting himself on the same side of the moral fence as the Nazis, no matter his justificaction. Vanishingly small penis, premature ejaculation or possibly an appalling odour that discourages even the most desperate female. I don't know. Object of derision. Denied the eye-opening awe caused by any meaningful orgasm.
Calm down Stipmy.
All I?m doing is holding up a mirror. It is you who were defending these creatures, remember? Now, if leftist pinkos like you only applied their pious standards to those that are deserving of them, maybe they would make affect some change in the world. But so far, I've heard very little criticism from you as regards the Arabs and their ?fascist? practices. In fact, you?ve done your utmost to deflect and to shift the blame from the Arab ?fascists? onto their victims.
You are a sanctimonious duplicitous hypocrite.
mika.
[ 07-04-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
In your last few posts you've given a great definition of ethnic cleansing, endorsed the policy, claimed victimhood and then accused the man who says you're behaving like a fascist of hypocrisy.
<strong>
Not quite so black and white in the Middle East. A portion of those with no rights in the Middle East also reside inside Israel, they just happen to be Israeli Arabs [technically they do have rights, there is just a large gap between theory and practice</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Originally posted by cowerd:
<strong>
Do the settlements and settlers have legal rights to the land they have settled, vis-a-vis the situation with "Israeli arabs" who have Israeli passports, are officially Israeli citizens, and are entitled to legal rights offered to all Israeli citizens.
It is my understanding that some settlements are constructed on confiscated land, whereby the legal owners have not been compensated for their loss of property. That, under the laws of many countries makes them illegal.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Make up your mind. They do or they don?t ...
And your understanding is wrong. Also, the legal situation, according to international law, is that the State of Israel is sovereign over the entire area of the Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.
mika.
[ 07-04-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
<strong>Oh Mika, you're such a fool.
In your last few posts you've given a great definition of ethnic cleansing, endorsed the policy, claimed victimhood and then accused the man who says you're behaving like a fascist of hypocrisy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not at all.
I've just pointed out the duplicity of your arguments and your position. While my proposals were theoretical, you were defending people who every day practice these fascist policies. Again you confuse fiction and reality.
mika.
read carefully--technically they are supposed to have rights accrded to them, in practice...
[quote]And your understanding is wrong. Also, the legal situation, according to international law, is that the State of Israel is sovereign over the entire area of the Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.<hr></blockquote>
Which would make the confiscation of said property illegal under Israeli law. But then again there are two sets of rules in operation. You just advocate making them explicit--like apartheid in South Africa.
And I?ll repeat again. Your understanding is wrong.
The Jewish residences are built on mountain or hilltops overlooking their Arab counterparts. So your confiscation and expropriation argument is bogus as far as they are concerned.
Moreover, the legal history of the "West Bank" gives Israel a lawful claim to sovereignty over the entire land from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan river and beyond.
Jordanian rule over this territory was never recognized by the international community. Indeed, the British Mandate allocated it for Jewish development, eventually to become a Jewish state. This was ratified by The League of Nations in 1922 and 1923.
Since then there has been another world war, followed by the establishment of the United Nations; but the Partition Plan of Nov. 1947 did not abolish those earlier international commitments, especially since the Arabs rejected them.
mika.
<a href="http://www.btselem.org/English/Press_Releases/2002/020513.asp"; target="_blank">http://www.btselem.org/English/Press_Releases/2002/020513.asp</A>;
How does this apply? Did you not read my last post? The legality of the situation is quite clear. Israel is in full compliance with international law.
Let me ask you this. You say Israel is an occupying power. What country is Israel occupying? In fact, one can argue that since these Arabs are illegal combatants, under international law, Israel can do as she wishes with these people.
mika.
[ 07-04-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>