Parody of your ridiculous position sucks don't it. You try to define a new to the universe version of lock-in. Problem is everyone else knows and accepts what you are trying to play as new and nefarious. At least you used the term platform this time. I think you fell flat on the upgrade within the platform again though, every viable platform provides an upgrade path. whether you like that path or not weighs on whether you buy into the platform in the first place.
Personally I find nothing in the Android world a significant upgrade compared to an iPhone 4. Spec-whoring can come up with little differences on a phone by phone basis, but overall where's the well executed feature that's an upgrade draw worthy of creating a platform to platform shift. It's not there. And if it's not there, there's no real upgrade. In platform or cross platform.
So trying to create a platform shift scenario with a LARGE paid app investment where no platform shifting motivation exists IS contrived. Especially when you ignore the whole set of reasons people buy into platforms in the first place, which is the platform itself. You keep leaving out all the important stuff to try and make your point and that just constitutes a heap of fail. Kinda like this:
Tell me that you don't get more choice on the platforms I have named. Whether you think that the iphone is better or not is up to you but not everyone agrees with you. I don't even know why I am arguing with you any more since you have already showed your are incapable of responding meaningfully to my posts. I am an Iphone user for god sake, all I was doing is pointing out an example of a disadvantage of the lock in the iPhone has.
Tell me that you don't get more choice on the platforms I have named. Whether you think that the iphone is better or not is up to you but not everyone agrees with you. I don't even know why I am arguing with you any more since you have already showed your are incapable of responding meaningfully to my posts. I am an Iphone user for god sake, all I was doing is pointing out an example of a disadvantage of the lock in the iPhone has.
Wow, you are really out of responses aren't you? As for Android having more choices, it a depends, but not really. Feature-wise you can get a couple different phones with the same feature set and same software but from different manufacturers. Is that real choice, or just platform parity? I don't see it as real choice when everything is the same.
If you want downmarket with restricted features, you could spin that that gives additional choice, but when the phones are already near free in BOGO deals does going downmarket even make sense? If you want that go with the free for an entire family set of feature phones.
The only real choice you get with non-iPone smartphones is a choice of carriers. No arguing that. As for lock-in once you chose your OS flavor, you are locked in to that, for all phones, no matter what. So I can go from a HTC Android phone this year to a Samgung Android phone in two tears which will have the same features as the two year from now HTC phone. I could cgo from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 6 in the same period with the same basic feature upgrades, or I can chose to buy last years model as a slight downmarket move. What choice is lost? Only fake choice, that's what. Either way, I am locked-in to the OS platform, but at least with iOS and the family nature of the app licenses via iTunes I can have the same apps on three phones an IPod Touch and two iPads. That seems like a lot of choice and flexibility of which there is absolutely none like it in any other platform.
There isn't going to be much of a lock-in --- when most of the apps are free (and funded by ads).
By sheer numbers sure. On the other hand I have about a dozen and a half paid iOS apps between the iPhone/iPod/iPad with the more expensive app tools being on the iPad. Its about $125 worth to date, plus the music in iTunes that has been accruing for a dozen years. All of that works across the whole range of devices, except for a couple of the iPad apps which have a hardware tie to the screen size and wouldn't make sense on the iPhone/Touch. From one side it's lock-in, but it's lock-in I am happy with because of the platform compatibilities. From the other side I have quite a bit of choice as to which device to use for any particular task at any particular location, and which person will be using the device.
Even if almost all my apps were free, I still have data compatibility issues moving to a different platform, so I would need a substantial reason to change platforms and have to expend the effort of moving my data. That's still a form of platform lock-in as is the familiarity with the UI and people make purchase decisions routinely thinking about that kind of stuff as part of the decision.
Wow, you are really out of responses aren't you? As for Android having more choices, it a depends, but not really. Feature-wise you can get a couple different phones with the same feature set and same software but from different manufacturers. Is that real choice, or just platform parity? I don't see it as real choice when everything is the same.
If you want downmarket with restricted features, you could spin that that gives additional choice, but when the phones are already near free in BOGO deals does going downmarket even make sense? If you want that go with the free for an entire family set of feature phones.
The only real choice you get with non-iPone smartphones is a choice of carriers. No arguing that. As for lock-in once you chose your OS flavor, you are locked in to that, for all phones, no matter what. So I can go from a HTC Android phone this year to a Samgung Android phone in two tears which will have the same features as the two year from now HTC phone. I could cgo from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 6 in the same period with the same basic feature upgrades, or I can chose to buy last years model as a slight downmarket move. What choice is lost? Only fake choice, that's what. Either way, I am locked-in to the OS platform, but at least with iOS and the family nature of the app licenses via iTunes I can have the same apps on three phones an IPod Touch and two iPads. That seems like a lot of choice and flexibility of which there is absolutely none like it in any other platform.
Very few would agree with you on this. You're the one that is all out of responses. Go on any android news site, almost every article is about a new phone with a different feature set. We're talking price, screen size, processor speed, hardware keyboard, better gpus, different quality cameras, different integrated services such as htc sense. CHOICE. It is a good thing.
The same argument applies with windows phone 7, show me two devices which as you say are exactly the same but just from different manufacturers. You are full of shit. Bring a worthwhile response to the table because my attention span is getting shorter and shorter with you.
Apps are becoming more and more free and ad supported on android, not iOS as well. Just look at angry birds. Full version free on android.
Funny how "my MacBook Pro failed me" has turned into "Android rules iOS sucks", isn't it? I wonder at how these disappointed Apple customers always seem to move quickly to general contempt for everything Apple does-- and why they were Apple customers at all.
Funny how "my MacBook Pro failed me" has turned into "Android rules iOS sucks", isn't it? I wonder at how these disappointed Apple customers always seem to move quickly to general contempt for everything Apple does-- and why they were Apple customers at all.
I am not disappointed with apple, I just think some of their products have limitations. My macbook pro failing was a personal limitation that made me decide to build a pc instead of another mac. I have not stated "iOS sucks" or that "android rules". I have said iOS has limitations as a platform in terms of choice compared to other platforms - those being windows phone 7 android and blackberry.
This discussion about mobile OSs came from another user asking me to name limitations in the apple eco system, it was not driven by me, I am simply following up on other people's comments.
Everything apple does is so integrated, it is hard to love one thing they do if you have contempt for another....
Very few would agree with you on this. You're the one that is all out of responses. Go on any android news site, almost every article is about a new phone with a different feature set. We're talking price, screen size, processor speed, hardware keyboard, better gpus, different quality cameras, different integrated services such as htc sense. CHOICE. It is a good thing.
The same argument applies with windows phone 7, show me two devices which as you say are exactly the same but just from different manufacturers. You are full of shit. Bring a worthwhile response to the table because my attention span is getting shorter and shorter with you..
Spec-whoring the finest differences in details isn't an addition of choice, it is just spec-whoring. The prices are all just about the same, the MP's in cameras are all near the 6MP limit for visual noise given the lens sizes, the processors are all in the same GHz band. The GPUs are one of two that do the same thing for the same power draw. HTC Sense isn't a service it's yet another non-standard Android GUI. Maybe you can cobble up a little choice there, but that's awful weak as a it doesn't fundamentally change anything, it just shuffles it around.
Choice is choice, not being fooled into thinking the same thing is different. You'll get that someday.
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Apps are becoming more and more free and ad supported on android, not iOS as well. Just look at angry birds. Full version free on android.
And you think that's a good thing? You like every application communicating when you hit certain functionalities via an ad pull, and you trust that in a non-curated environment they won't be sending anything that shouldn't be sent? Good luck with that, because nothing's free, you are just selling access to your digital soul a couple bits at a time when you use ad supported apps. I suggest you spend a little more time deciding when that should be accepted, and when karma works in your favor for paying a fair price up front for an app. Nothing wrong with ad supported as a model as long as you are fully aware of what is going on. I often prefer more control so I exercise that as I see necessary.
Spec-whoring the finest differences in details isn't an addition of choice, it is just spec-whoring. The prices are all just about the same, the MP's in cameras are all near the 6MP limit for visual noise given the lens sizes, the processors are all in the same GHz band. The GPUs are one of two that do the same thing for the same power draw. HTC Sense isn't a service it's yet another non-standard Android GUI. Maybe you can cobble up a little choice there, but that's awful weak as a it doesn't fundamentally change anything, it just shuffles it around.
Choice is choice, not being fooled into thinking the same thing is different. You'll get that someday.
And you think that's a good thing? You like every application communicating when you hit certain functionalities via an ad pull, and you trust that in a non-curated environment they won't be sending anything that shouldn't be sent? Good luck with that, because nothing's free, you are just selling access to your digital soul a couple bits at a time when you use ad supported apps. I suggest you spend a little more time deciding when that should be accepted, and when karma works in your favor for paying a fair price up front for an app. Nothing wrong with ad supported as a model as long as you are fully aware of what is going on. I often prefer more control so I exercise that as I see necessary.
So let's summarise.... You are saying that both the android and windows phone 7 platforms offer no extra choice in handsets compared with the iOS platform. You sir are on another planet.... So blinded by the fanboy inside you.
Do some research, the latest version of HTC sense offers everything mobile me does for FREE
Do some research, the latest version of HTC sense offers everything mobile me does for FREE
Please, back up your comment with proof. Links and a list all ?all? features of MobileMe would be great. It would prove your point and show the Apple sheep how foolish they are for paying $60/year for something that is completely free.
Please, back up your comment with proof. Links and a list all ‘all’ features of MobileMe would be great. It would prove your point and show the Apple sheep how foolish they are for paying $60/year for something that is completely free.
Ok lets have a look, if you allow I will correct myself saying features are offered as part of android or htcsense.com. Since the conversation was regarding phone overlays I am mainly referring to the phone features of mobile me and htc sense, but still I will state the free alternatives offered by htc/google that are not phone specific also.
1. Synced mail, contacts and calendars through gmail. Also across non-google devices via google's microsoft exchange sync. Contacts can also be synced through htcsense.com
2. Find your htc android device, track it, ring it, push a message to it, remote wipe and brick it.
3. Gallery can be answered by flickr, picasa even facebook. Would anyone pay $60 in their right mind for an online photo gallery nowadays anyway?
4. iDisk - You can do more with google docs. Store any format, edit any format on any android or iOS device or any computer.
5. Me.com - functionality given on htcsense.com/google
In addition htcsense.com allows you to send sms, store and read sms regardless of where your device is and regardless of whether you change your device.
So with me.com you are basically paying for a fancy web interface and a webmail service that looks prettier but is not as powerful as gmail. Hell you can even get the google features listed above on your iPhone.
htcsense you see is not just a crappy custom UI as you seem to think.
Also Hiro I notice that you are unable to deny you were talking crap when suggesting that WP7 and android offer no extra choice when compared with iOS. I see you are resorting to cartoon retorts in an attempt to mock me. Grow up and stop spouting shit
Ok lets have a look, if you allow I will correct myself saying features are offered as part of android or htcsense.com. Since the conversation was regarding phone overlays I am mainly referring to the phone features of mobile me and htc sense, but still I will state the free alternatives offered by htc/google that are not phone specific also.
1. Synced mail, contacts and calendars through gmail. Also across non-google devices via google's microsoft exchange sync. Contacts can also be synced through htcsense.com
2. Find your htc android device, track it, ring it, push a message to it, remote wipe and brick it.
3. Gallery can be answered by flickr, picasa even facebook. Would anyone pay $60 in their right mind for an online photo gallery nowadays anyway?
4. iDisk - You can do more with google docs. Store any format, edit any format on any android or iOS device or any computer.
5. Me.com - functionality given on htcsense.com/google
In addition htcsense.com allows you to send sms, store and read sms regardless of where your device is and regardless of whether you change your device.
So with me.com you are basically paying for a fancy web interface and a webmail service that looks prettier but is not as powerful as gmail. Hell you can even get the google features listed above on your iPhone.
htcsense you see is not just a crappy custom UI as you seem to think.
Also Hiro I notice that you are unable to deny you were talking crap when suggesting that WP7 and android offer no extra choice when compared with iOS. I see you are resorting to cartoon retorts in an attempt to mock me. Grow up and stop spouting shit
It seems like you?re missing that Find My iPhone works with all iDevices that run iOS, not just the iPhone.
You?re also missing out on Back to My Mac which allows for zero-congfiguration access across Macs. (I connect to plenty that I don?t own with a special user account that I can use to do routine service for family and friends).
You?re also missing all the syncing that MobileMe does between Macs, iDevices and connected PCs running the MobileMe software.
You?re missing all the settings MobileMe backs up to their servers, which includes my keychain, notes, address book and a whole lot more.
You?re also missing push email that works great. (I have been this service since iTools and yet I?ve never directly used my .mac email address. Even now my Gmail get forwarded to MobileMe which is pushed to my iPhone and gmail for my SMTP).
Don?t underestimate what a convenient and well made user interface is and a single login to access all these features. I have better things to do than maintain a half dozen accounts just to get the same features as I get in MobileMe for ≈$60/year.
If you are just going to cherry pick some features that they have in common, they skirt over the usability of them and down play the usability by implying it only "looks prettier? then you are fooling yourself into thinking that the service is as limited as you think it is.
3. Gallery can be answered by flickr, picasa even facebook. Would anyone pay $60 in their right mind for an online photo gallery nowadays anyway?
I do. It works amazingly well. I plug in my camera, photos copy to iPhoto, and I can hit one button and create a web gallery to share with friends and family. Its really well executed, looks great and when I share albums with people they don't have to download any additional apps or plugins. Its a very graceful solution.
It seems like you?re missing that Find My iPhone works with all iDevices that run iOS, not just the iPhone.
You?re also missing out on Back to My Mac which allows for zero-congfiguration access across Macs. (I connect to plenty that I don?t own with a special user account that I can use to do routine service for family and friends).
You?re also missing all the syncing that MobileMe does between Macs, iDevices and connected PCs running the MobileMe software.
You?re missing all the settings MobileMe backs up to their servers, which includes my keychain, notes, address book and a whole lot more.
You?re also missing push email that works great. (I have been this service since iTools and yet I?ve never directly used my .mac email address. Even now my Gmail get forwarded to MobileMe which is pushed to my iPhone and gmail for my SMTP).
Don?t underestimate what a convenient and well made user interface is and a single login to access all these features. I have better things to do than maintain a half dozen accounts just to get the same features as I get in MobileMe for ≈$60/year.
If you are just going to cherry pick some features that they have in common, they skirt over the usability of them and down play the usability by implying it only "looks prettier? then you are fooling yourself into thinking that the service is as limited as you think it is.
OK I was just going by what I found on the mobile me features page. I was not aware of these other features.
I did not miss push email though, this is all done through gmail now since you can just use your gmail account as microsoft exchange.
Still, the phone specific features are matched by google and htc sense. The point I am trying to make is that htc sense is not just a pointless overlay, it is added functionality that provides for free a lot of what competitors charge for.
Also Hiro I notice that you are unable to deny you were talking crap when suggesting that WP7 and android offer no extra choice when compared with iOS. I see you are resorting to cartoon retorts in an attempt to mock me. Grow up and stop spouting shit
Let me mock you some more:
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OK I was just going by what I found on the mobile me features page. I was not aware of these other features.
Typical internet basher. Look something up quickly without understanding it, then use it as a bludgeon in a online venue. But the priceless part is getting it wrong! Wow, wasn't that just something! You do it all by yourself!
Your posts are painting a pretty insecure picture. Your arguments are weak to nonexistent, I've refuted them multiple times. It obviously hasn't made any difference to you, so why give any more visibility to those posts? Wouldn't make sense.
Please continue using foul language and ad hom attacks. I welcome the opportunity to help you find your vacation.
As for the HTC Sense UI being a free replacement for MobileMe, that fails too as solipsism has taken you factually to task. Almost all that functionality is from other 3rd party products, not part of the UI itself, none of it is integrated and Google Docs does not allow you to store arbitrary file data, only Google Docs files.
You give a laundry list of a piecemeal landscape that covers some majority of MobileMe functionality, but is missing the important rest of the picture. Integration and generality and simplification. Those happen to be worth something substantial. Factual inaccuracies like what you are providing are called white-washing or litter box logic. But if that's all you got, that's all you got and it explains a lot.
OK I was just going by what I found on the mobile me features page. I was not aware of these other features.
I did not miss push email though, this is all done through gmail now since you can just use your gmail account as microsoft exchange.
Still, the phone specific features are matched by google and htc sense. The point I am trying to make is that htc sense is not just a pointless overlay, it is added functionality that provides for free a lot of what competitors charge for.
You can only use gmail or even exchange for an exchange account if the hardware encryption is turned off for the entire set of users on that Exchange Server. How many IT departments doe that? Almost none. Another software feature that's all but worthless because exactly zero Android handsets have the required hardware.
So calling that a valid push feature is at best uneducated, at worst, disingenuous.
There isn't going to be much of a lock-in --- when most of the apps are free (and funded by ads).
Actually, that's largely a characteristic of the Android market, not the iOS market. It's also likely to be less of a factor for the Windows Phone market. I'm sure you've seen the stats that show how much more willing the typical iOS customer is to pay for quality. The Android market tends towards "good enough", as demonstrated by the almost complete lack of high quality titles exclusive to the platform.
That being the case, it will be much easier for Android customers to switch platforms than the other way around.
It seems like you?re missing that Find My iPhone works with all iDevices that run iOS, not just the iPhone.
No, it doesn't. It only works with devices that have a GPS chip, that being iPhones and the 3G iPad. It doesn't work with the WiFi iPad or the iPod Touch.
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Parody of your ridiculous position sucks don't it. You try to define a new to the universe version of lock-in. Problem is everyone else knows and accepts what you are trying to play as new and nefarious. At least you used the term platform this time. I think you fell flat on the upgrade within the platform again though, every viable platform provides an upgrade path. whether you like that path or not weighs on whether you buy into the platform in the first place.
Personally I find nothing in the Android world a significant upgrade compared to an iPhone 4. Spec-whoring can come up with little differences on a phone by phone basis, but overall where's the well executed feature that's an upgrade draw worthy of creating a platform to platform shift. It's not there. And if it's not there, there's no real upgrade. In platform or cross platform.
So trying to create a platform shift scenario with a LARGE paid app investment where no platform shifting motivation exists IS contrived. Especially when you ignore the whole set of reasons people buy into platforms in the first place, which is the platform itself. You keep leaving out all the important stuff to try and make your point and that just constitutes a heap of fail. Kinda like this:
Tell me that you don't get more choice on the platforms I have named. Whether you think that the iphone is better or not is up to you but not everyone agrees with you. I don't even know why I am arguing with you any more since you have already showed your are incapable of responding meaningfully to my posts. I am an Iphone user for god sake, all I was doing is pointing out an example of a disadvantage of the lock in the iPhone has.
Tell me that you don't get more choice on the platforms I have named. Whether you think that the iphone is better or not is up to you but not everyone agrees with you. I don't even know why I am arguing with you any more since you have already showed your are incapable of responding meaningfully to my posts. I am an Iphone user for god sake, all I was doing is pointing out an example of a disadvantage of the lock in the iPhone has.
Wow, you are really out of responses aren't you? As for Android having more choices, it a depends, but not really. Feature-wise you can get a couple different phones with the same feature set and same software but from different manufacturers. Is that real choice, or just platform parity? I don't see it as real choice when everything is the same.
If you want downmarket with restricted features, you could spin that that gives additional choice, but when the phones are already near free in BOGO deals does going downmarket even make sense? If you want that go with the free for an entire family set of feature phones.
The only real choice you get with non-iPone smartphones is a choice of carriers. No arguing that. As for lock-in once you chose your OS flavor, you are locked in to that, for all phones, no matter what. So I can go from a HTC Android phone this year to a Samgung Android phone in two tears which will have the same features as the two year from now HTC phone. I could cgo from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 6 in the same period with the same basic feature upgrades, or I can chose to buy last years model as a slight downmarket move. What choice is lost? Only fake choice, that's what. Either way, I am locked-in to the OS platform, but at least with iOS and the family nature of the app licenses via iTunes I can have the same apps on three phones an IPod Touch and two iPads. That seems like a lot of choice and flexibility of which there is absolutely none like it in any other platform.
As for lock-in once you chose your OS flavor, you are locked in to that, for all phones, no matter what.
There isn't going to be much of a lock-in --- when most of the apps are free (and funded by ads).
There isn't going to be much of a lock-in --- when most of the apps are free (and funded by ads).
By sheer numbers sure. On the other hand I have about a dozen and a half paid iOS apps between the iPhone/iPod/iPad with the more expensive app tools being on the iPad. Its about $125 worth to date, plus the music in iTunes that has been accruing for a dozen years. All of that works across the whole range of devices, except for a couple of the iPad apps which have a hardware tie to the screen size and wouldn't make sense on the iPhone/Touch. From one side it's lock-in, but it's lock-in I am happy with because of the platform compatibilities. From the other side I have quite a bit of choice as to which device to use for any particular task at any particular location, and which person will be using the device.
Even if almost all my apps were free, I still have data compatibility issues moving to a different platform, so I would need a substantial reason to change platforms and have to expend the effort of moving my data. That's still a form of platform lock-in as is the familiarity with the UI and people make purchase decisions routinely thinking about that kind of stuff as part of the decision.
Wow, you are really out of responses aren't you? As for Android having more choices, it a depends, but not really. Feature-wise you can get a couple different phones with the same feature set and same software but from different manufacturers. Is that real choice, or just platform parity? I don't see it as real choice when everything is the same.
If you want downmarket with restricted features, you could spin that that gives additional choice, but when the phones are already near free in BOGO deals does going downmarket even make sense? If you want that go with the free for an entire family set of feature phones.
The only real choice you get with non-iPone smartphones is a choice of carriers. No arguing that. As for lock-in once you chose your OS flavor, you are locked in to that, for all phones, no matter what. So I can go from a HTC Android phone this year to a Samgung Android phone in two tears which will have the same features as the two year from now HTC phone. I could cgo from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 6 in the same period with the same basic feature upgrades, or I can chose to buy last years model as a slight downmarket move. What choice is lost? Only fake choice, that's what. Either way, I am locked-in to the OS platform, but at least with iOS and the family nature of the app licenses via iTunes I can have the same apps on three phones an IPod Touch and two iPads. That seems like a lot of choice and flexibility of which there is absolutely none like it in any other platform.
Very few would agree with you on this. You're the one that is all out of responses. Go on any android news site, almost every article is about a new phone with a different feature set. We're talking price, screen size, processor speed, hardware keyboard, better gpus, different quality cameras, different integrated services such as htc sense. CHOICE. It is a good thing.
The same argument applies with windows phone 7, show me two devices which as you say are exactly the same but just from different manufacturers. You are full of shit. Bring a worthwhile response to the table because my attention span is getting shorter and shorter with you.
Apps are becoming more and more free and ad supported on android, not iOS as well. Just look at angry birds. Full version free on android.
Funny how "my MacBook Pro failed me" has turned into "Android rules iOS sucks", isn't it? I wonder at how these disappointed Apple customers always seem to move quickly to general contempt for everything Apple does-- and why they were Apple customers at all.
I am not disappointed with apple, I just think some of their products have limitations. My macbook pro failing was a personal limitation that made me decide to build a pc instead of another mac. I have not stated "iOS sucks" or that "android rules". I have said iOS has limitations as a platform in terms of choice compared to other platforms - those being windows phone 7 android and blackberry.
This discussion about mobile OSs came from another user asking me to name limitations in the apple eco system, it was not driven by me, I am simply following up on other people's comments.
Everything apple does is so integrated, it is hard to love one thing they do if you have contempt for another....
Very few would agree with you on this. You're the one that is all out of responses. Go on any android news site, almost every article is about a new phone with a different feature set. We're talking price, screen size, processor speed, hardware keyboard, better gpus, different quality cameras, different integrated services such as htc sense. CHOICE. It is a good thing.
The same argument applies with windows phone 7, show me two devices which as you say are exactly the same but just from different manufacturers. You are full of shit. Bring a worthwhile response to the table because my attention span is getting shorter and shorter with you..
Spec-whoring the finest differences in details isn't an addition of choice, it is just spec-whoring. The prices are all just about the same, the MP's in cameras are all near the 6MP limit for visual noise given the lens sizes, the processors are all in the same GHz band. The GPUs are one of two that do the same thing for the same power draw. HTC Sense isn't a service it's yet another non-standard Android GUI. Maybe you can cobble up a little choice there, but that's awful weak as a it doesn't fundamentally change anything, it just shuffles it around.
Choice is choice, not being fooled into thinking the same thing is different. You'll get that someday.
Apps are becoming more and more free and ad supported on android, not iOS as well. Just look at angry birds. Full version free on android.
And you think that's a good thing? You like every application communicating when you hit certain functionalities via an ad pull, and you trust that in a non-curated environment they won't be sending anything that shouldn't be sent? Good luck with that, because nothing's free, you are just selling access to your digital soul a couple bits at a time when you use ad supported apps. I suggest you spend a little more time deciding when that should be accepted, and when karma works in your favor for paying a fair price up front for an app. Nothing wrong with ad supported as a model as long as you are fully aware of what is going on. I often prefer more control so I exercise that as I see necessary.
Spec-whoring the finest differences in details isn't an addition of choice, it is just spec-whoring. The prices are all just about the same, the MP's in cameras are all near the 6MP limit for visual noise given the lens sizes, the processors are all in the same GHz band. The GPUs are one of two that do the same thing for the same power draw. HTC Sense isn't a service it's yet another non-standard Android GUI. Maybe you can cobble up a little choice there, but that's awful weak as a it doesn't fundamentally change anything, it just shuffles it around.
Choice is choice, not being fooled into thinking the same thing is different. You'll get that someday.
And you think that's a good thing? You like every application communicating when you hit certain functionalities via an ad pull, and you trust that in a non-curated environment they won't be sending anything that shouldn't be sent? Good luck with that, because nothing's free, you are just selling access to your digital soul a couple bits at a time when you use ad supported apps. I suggest you spend a little more time deciding when that should be accepted, and when karma works in your favor for paying a fair price up front for an app. Nothing wrong with ad supported as a model as long as you are fully aware of what is going on. I often prefer more control so I exercise that as I see necessary.
So let's summarise.... You are saying that both the android and windows phone 7 platforms offer no extra choice in handsets compared with the iOS platform. You sir are on another planet.... So blinded by the fanboy inside you.
Do some research, the latest version of HTC sense offers everything mobile me does for FREE
Do some research, the latest version of HTC sense offers everything mobile me does for FREE
Please, back up your comment with proof. Links and a list all ?all? features of MobileMe would be great. It would prove your point and show the Apple sheep how foolish they are for paying $60/year for something that is completely free.
Please, back up your comment with proof. Links and a list all ‘all’ features of MobileMe would be great. It would prove your point and show the Apple sheep how foolish they are for paying $60/year for something that is completely free.
Ok lets have a look, if you allow I will correct myself saying features are offered as part of android or htcsense.com. Since the conversation was regarding phone overlays I am mainly referring to the phone features of mobile me and htc sense, but still I will state the free alternatives offered by htc/google that are not phone specific also.
So any latest htc sense phone offers this.
Mobile me features list from http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/
1. Synced mail, contacts and calendars
2. Find my iPhone
3. Gallery
4. iDisk
5. Me.com
This is answered by:
1. Synced mail, contacts and calendars through gmail. Also across non-google devices via google's microsoft exchange sync. Contacts can also be synced through htcsense.com
2. Find your htc android device, track it, ring it, push a message to it, remote wipe and brick it.
3. Gallery can be answered by flickr, picasa even facebook. Would anyone pay $60 in their right mind for an online photo gallery nowadays anyway?
4. iDisk - You can do more with google docs. Store any format, edit any format on any android or iOS device or any computer.
5. Me.com - functionality given on htcsense.com/google
In addition htcsense.com allows you to send sms, store and read sms regardless of where your device is and regardless of whether you change your device.
So with me.com you are basically paying for a fancy web interface and a webmail service that looks prettier but is not as powerful as gmail. Hell you can even get the google features listed above on your iPhone.
htcsense you see is not just a crappy custom UI as you seem to think.
Also Hiro I notice that you are unable to deny you were talking crap when suggesting that WP7 and android offer no extra choice when compared with iOS. I see you are resorting to cartoon retorts in an attempt to mock me. Grow up and stop spouting shit
Ok lets have a look, if you allow I will correct myself saying features are offered as part of android or htcsense.com. Since the conversation was regarding phone overlays I am mainly referring to the phone features of mobile me and htc sense, but still I will state the free alternatives offered by htc/google that are not phone specific also.
So any latest htc sense phone offers this.
Mobile me features list from http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/
1. Synced mail, contacts and calendars
2. Find my iPhone
3. Gallery
4. iDisk
5. Me.com
This is answered by:
1. Synced mail, contacts and calendars through gmail. Also across non-google devices via google's microsoft exchange sync. Contacts can also be synced through htcsense.com
2. Find your htc android device, track it, ring it, push a message to it, remote wipe and brick it.
3. Gallery can be answered by flickr, picasa even facebook. Would anyone pay $60 in their right mind for an online photo gallery nowadays anyway?
4. iDisk - You can do more with google docs. Store any format, edit any format on any android or iOS device or any computer.
5. Me.com - functionality given on htcsense.com/google
In addition htcsense.com allows you to send sms, store and read sms regardless of where your device is and regardless of whether you change your device.
So with me.com you are basically paying for a fancy web interface and a webmail service that looks prettier but is not as powerful as gmail. Hell you can even get the google features listed above on your iPhone.
htcsense you see is not just a crappy custom UI as you seem to think.
Also Hiro I notice that you are unable to deny you were talking crap when suggesting that WP7 and android offer no extra choice when compared with iOS. I see you are resorting to cartoon retorts in an attempt to mock me. Grow up and stop spouting shit
It seems like you?re missing that Find My iPhone works with all iDevices that run iOS, not just the iPhone.
You?re also missing out on Back to My Mac which allows for zero-congfiguration access across Macs. (I connect to plenty that I don?t own with a special user account that I can use to do routine service for family and friends).
You?re also missing all the syncing that MobileMe does between Macs, iDevices and connected PCs running the MobileMe software.
You?re missing all the settings MobileMe backs up to their servers, which includes my keychain, notes, address book and a whole lot more.
You?re also missing push email that works great. (I have been this service since iTools and yet I?ve never directly used my .mac email address. Even now my Gmail get forwarded to MobileMe which is pushed to my iPhone and gmail for my SMTP).
Don?t underestimate what a convenient and well made user interface is and a single login to access all these features. I have better things to do than maintain a half dozen accounts just to get the same features as I get in MobileMe for ≈$60/year.
If you are just going to cherry pick some features that they have in common, they skirt over the usability of them and down play the usability by implying it only "looks prettier? then you are fooling yourself into thinking that the service is as limited as you think it is.
3. Gallery can be answered by flickr, picasa even facebook. Would anyone pay $60 in their right mind for an online photo gallery nowadays anyway?
I do. It works amazingly well. I plug in my camera, photos copy to iPhoto, and I can hit one button and create a web gallery to share with friends and family. Its really well executed, looks great and when I share albums with people they don't have to download any additional apps or plugins. Its a very graceful solution.
It seems like you?re missing that Find My iPhone works with all iDevices that run iOS, not just the iPhone.
You?re also missing out on Back to My Mac which allows for zero-congfiguration access across Macs. (I connect to plenty that I don?t own with a special user account that I can use to do routine service for family and friends).
You?re also missing all the syncing that MobileMe does between Macs, iDevices and connected PCs running the MobileMe software.
You?re missing all the settings MobileMe backs up to their servers, which includes my keychain, notes, address book and a whole lot more.
You?re also missing push email that works great. (I have been this service since iTools and yet I?ve never directly used my .mac email address. Even now my Gmail get forwarded to MobileMe which is pushed to my iPhone and gmail for my SMTP).
Don?t underestimate what a convenient and well made user interface is and a single login to access all these features. I have better things to do than maintain a half dozen accounts just to get the same features as I get in MobileMe for ≈$60/year.
If you are just going to cherry pick some features that they have in common, they skirt over the usability of them and down play the usability by implying it only "looks prettier? then you are fooling yourself into thinking that the service is as limited as you think it is.
OK I was just going by what I found on the mobile me features page. I was not aware of these other features.
I did not miss push email though, this is all done through gmail now since you can just use your gmail account as microsoft exchange.
Still, the phone specific features are matched by google and htc sense. The point I am trying to make is that htc sense is not just a pointless overlay, it is added functionality that provides for free a lot of what competitors charge for.
I did not miss push email though, this is all done through gmail now since you can just use your gmail account as microsoft exchange.
Gmail partially implements Exchange ActiveSync for mobile clients. Microsoft Exchange itself is a bit different.
Your point was correct, just the terminology you used was wrong.
Also Hiro I notice that you are unable to deny you were talking crap when suggesting that WP7 and android offer no extra choice when compared with iOS. I see you are resorting to cartoon retorts in an attempt to mock me. Grow up and stop spouting shit
Let me mock you some more:
OK I was just going by what I found on the mobile me features page. I was not aware of these other features.
Typical internet basher. Look something up quickly without understanding it, then use it as a bludgeon in a online venue. But the priceless part is getting it wrong! Wow, wasn't that just something! You do it all by yourself!
Your posts are painting a pretty insecure picture. Your arguments are weak to nonexistent, I've refuted them multiple times. It obviously hasn't made any difference to you, so why give any more visibility to those posts? Wouldn't make sense.
Please continue using foul language and ad hom attacks. I welcome the opportunity to help you find your vacation.
As for the HTC Sense UI being a free replacement for MobileMe, that fails too as solipsism has taken you factually to task. Almost all that functionality is from other 3rd party products, not part of the UI itself, none of it is integrated and Google Docs does not allow you to store arbitrary file data, only Google Docs files.
You give a laundry list of a piecemeal landscape that covers some majority of MobileMe functionality, but is missing the important rest of the picture. Integration and generality and simplification. Those happen to be worth something substantial. Factual inaccuracies like what you are providing are called white-washing or litter box logic. But if that's all you got, that's all you got and it explains a lot.
OK I was just going by what I found on the mobile me features page. I was not aware of these other features.
I did not miss push email though, this is all done through gmail now since you can just use your gmail account as microsoft exchange.
Still, the phone specific features are matched by google and htc sense. The point I am trying to make is that htc sense is not just a pointless overlay, it is added functionality that provides for free a lot of what competitors charge for.
You can only use gmail or even exchange for an exchange account if the hardware encryption is turned off for the entire set of users on that Exchange Server. How many IT departments doe that? Almost none. Another software feature that's all but worthless because exactly zero Android handsets have the required hardware.
So calling that a valid push feature is at best uneducated, at worst, disingenuous.
There isn't going to be much of a lock-in --- when most of the apps are free (and funded by ads).
Actually, that's largely a characteristic of the Android market, not the iOS market. It's also likely to be less of a factor for the Windows Phone market. I'm sure you've seen the stats that show how much more willing the typical iOS customer is to pay for quality. The Android market tends towards "good enough", as demonstrated by the almost complete lack of high quality titles exclusive to the platform.
That being the case, it will be much easier for Android customers to switch platforms than the other way around.
It seems like you?re missing that Find My iPhone works with all iDevices that run iOS, not just the iPhone.
No, it doesn't. It only works with devices that have a GPS chip, that being iPhones and the 3G iPad. It doesn't work with the WiFi iPad or the iPod Touch.