The only thing I would want blu-ray for would be to be able to rip blu-ray content into my digital library. And I wouldn't be saving it as 1080p! .
Why not?
Do you always archive materials at low quality resolutions? How about your photos? Do you downgrade them before you put them on your disk? Or do you just shoot at 640x480 and be done with it?
Disk space is cheap. I rip FLACs and then downgrade to MP3s for the Apple products (they can't handle FLAC).
Why on earth do you want your digital archive to be in less-than-the-best quality? In the future, 1080p will be low res.
You?ve missed the point. Companies aren?t working for you, they are working for themselves. There goal is to make money, so your single desire isn?t enough to warrant their interest. They go where the money is.
Is his desire for a BD player a "single desire"? He's the only one?
No, seriously, that statement is an example of what I described earlier: a quote that indicates its author doesn't realize that it is quite normal (nay, in fact, common!) to NOT be a videophile. Sure, I'll take 1080p over 720p any day, all other things being equal. But make me futz with obtaining, storing, and going back & forth for physical media and I'll opt for the 720p. And I'll do it quite seriously (even while watching Jackass). :-)
Thompson
You?ve missed the point. Companies aren?t working for you, they are working for themselves. There goal is to make money, so your single desire isn?t enough to warrant their interest. They go where the money is.
Again, why should any company warp their goals of trying to increase their profits to satisfy your needs? Do you put this much emphasis on other companies to be like everyone else if it satisfied your single desire?
It?s funny, the people that clamor for Blu-ray on a consumer notebook or 1080p over 720p typically have no idea what they are wanting,
There's millions and millions of such people. Too bad not everyone is so well informed. If they had any frigging idea of anything at all they would not want the higher quality stuff.
This is typical MS not knowing its arse from its elbow. Balmer and Gates hate optical discs just like Steve Jobs. They don't like Blu-ray either and want to skip straight to digital copies but here we have the idiots they hire to do advertising for them coming up with something which focuses on a tech the company's official ethos doesn't agree with. They do this time and time again.
But the reality is that Mac heads DO care about Blu-Ray. Indeed, Mac heads care very much. Mac heads hate BD.
So you'll need to start caring, and the better a Mac head you are, the more you despise Blu-Ray. It is a bag of hurt. Loyal Apple customers hate it. That is all you need to know.
Wife: "That's dumb. Why doesn't my Mac play Blu-ray"
Me: "Because Apple wants us to download movies"
Wife "Don't we get charged $5 per gig for downloads?"
Me "Yes, and that's why we don't download movies"
So... for those in the land of mega-super-zinga free bandwidth - I envy you. There are lots of that would have preferred Apple spend another $8 and put a Blu-ray drive in...
It's slightly more than $8 extra. Some retailers have them at $1000:
Apple use the very slim slot-loading drives. Even best-case scenario, you will be paying a $200 premium for Blu-Ray and I guarantee your wife would complain about that if it was a choice when you bought the machine.
So let's assume that you want to find a solution after purchase. You can buy the Sony BDX-s500u:
which is Mac compatible. The Mac OS system just can't play back the discs but Bootcamp can and Parallels or VMWare may be able to or if not, extract the movie from the disc.
The biggest problem with Blu-Ray is that people have assumptions that it's a cheap add-on and Apple are just being stubborn. They are stubborn for good reasons.
The Mac OS system just can't play back the discs...
Sure it can.
Download MakeMKV. Play straight from the disc. Argument over. OS X can't do it? Who cares? I don't want DRM in my OS, and apparently I don't have to with MakeMKV.
You should be able to play it from VLC with the right settings in MakeMKV.
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Go ahead! Watch that blu-ray with your special eyes!
I find it insulting that you think you can tell me what I see.
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The only thing I would want blu-ray for would be to be able to rip blu-ray content into my digital library.
That's the reason I use my BD-RE/HD DVD-ROM drive in my Mac Pro. Blu-ray rips of movies I already own.
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And I wouldn't be saving it as 1080p!
That's insanely foolish. I save all my content as 1080p because you don't need these impossibly huge filesizes for it. 4GB for a movie. Come on, now.
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Your iPad cannot display HD content.
While I normally agree that 720p is not HD at all, you're absolutely wrong with this statement by the definitions of the rest of the world.
Seeing as toshiba is one of the largest selling brands of laptop I thought I would find out how many of the laptops in their current range can support 1920 by 1080 video which is the blue Ray standard. It turns out that the only ones that do are the qosmio range which is the high end (and expensive) gaming laptop segment. It seems these laptops have a maximum battery life of about an hour and 45 minutes when playing optical media. Not enough for avitar.
You?ve missed the point. Companies aren?t working for you, they are working for themselves. There goal is to make money, so your single desire isn?t enough to warrant their interest. They go where the money is.
Again, why should any company warp their goals of trying to increase their profits to satisfy your needs? Do you put this much emphasis on other companies to be like everyone else if it satisfied your single desire?
Seeing as toshiba is one of the largest selling brands of laptop I thought I would find out how many of the laptops in their current range can support 1920 by 1080 video which is the blue Ray standard. It turns out that the only ones that do are the qosmio range which is the high end (and expensive) gaming laptop segment. It seems these laptops have a maximum battery life of about an hour and 45 minutes when playing optical media. Not enough for avitar.
HPs laptops which can handle 1080 video have even shorter battery life.
Looks like if you want to watch Avatar on a plane at full resolution the only way to do it is rip the movie and watch it on a 17 MBP ( the only apple laptop which has the screen resolution to handle it)
I travel A LOT and I assure you the last thing I want to do is lug around bluray discs and be popping them into my computer so that I can watch my battery meter go down faster than Enron.
If someone sat beside me on the plane and was thrilled that they could pop in a bluray I'd say "Great. By the way, have you seen my iPad? It holds 12 bluray movies and last 10 hours."
I suggest you sign up at the gym and develop those muscles so that you're able to "lug" those incredibly heavy discs around. I don't have that problem, and, as crazy as it is heard to believe, I am able to watch Blu-ray movies on my PC laptop without watching the "battery meter go down faster than Enron"..
I know that's amazing to you since you choose to just regurgitate the typical fanboy arguments (Lug it around, all Laptops with Blu-ray get bad battery life) but reality defies your RDF view of the world.
I thought the Ad was good. There's nothing wrong with Microsoft poking a little fun at something that is definitely a weak point in Macs. Apple certainly had their turn at doing this. Maybe not everyone wants Blu-Ray, but it sure would be a nice option for the Macs that still have some optical drive in them. I'd like if I could take my Star Trek movie, that I bought already, and watch it full-res on my beautiful Macbook Pro screen. If you prefer to rent on iTunes, I'm certainly not saying that Apple should take that option away.
The "battery running out" argument is pretty lame. Every airplane I've been on for the past couple years has had a power outlet in the seats. And I can definitely "tell the difference" between 1080p and iTunes HD-in-name-only on my 27" iMac and the attached 30" studio display.
This is a cash grab on Apple's part and I think it would be nice to be able to get an iMac or MacBook Pro with Blu-Ray as even an option. I'm certainly paying enough for these items that a choice removed to push me towards iTunes feels a little slimy.
The "battery running out" argument is pretty lame. Every airplane I've been on for the past couple years has had a power outlet in the seats. And I can definitely "tell the difference" between 1080p and iTunes HD-in-name-only on my 27" iMac and the attached 30" studio display.
Your implication that all seats on airlines have power outlets is fallacious.Your talk of a notebook needing Blu-ray because you can tell the different on a 27? 2560x1440 and 30? 2560x1600 is specious. Your presumed entitlement that Apple should offer you an option you wish simply because you desire it is fatuous. Your stating iTunes HD content isn?t HD because it?s not as HD as content on Blu-ray discs is vacuous.
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The only thing I would want blu-ray for would be to be able to rip blu-ray content into my digital library. And I wouldn't be saving it as 1080p!
Why not?
Do you always archive materials at low quality resolutions? How about your photos? Do you downgrade them before you put them on your disk? Or do you just shoot at 640x480 and be done with it?
Disk space is cheap. I rip FLACs and then downgrade to MP3s for the Apple products (they can't handle FLAC).
Why on earth do you want your digital archive to be in less-than-the-best quality? In the future, 1080p will be low res.
I'm not aware of any laptop under 17" that has a resolution 1920x1080 or higher.
In that case, you need to get the facts of the matter. They work better than one's awareness if your goal is to draw valid conclusions.
I don't want to feel compelled to watch the movie on Netflix's schedule
Do you know what Netflix is? If so, what is their "schedule"?
You?ve missed the point. Companies aren?t working for you, they are working for themselves. There goal is to make money, so your single desire isn?t enough to warrant their interest. They go where the money is.
Is his desire for a BD player a "single desire"? He's the only one?
Bullshit. What are you going on about?
Hey now, I resemble that remark!!!
No, seriously, that statement is an example of what I described earlier: a quote that indicates its author doesn't realize that it is quite normal (nay, in fact, common!) to NOT be a videophile. Sure, I'll take 1080p over 720p any day, all other things being equal. But make me futz with obtaining, storing, and going back & forth for physical media and I'll opt for the 720p. And I'll do it quite seriously (even while watching Jackass). :-)
Thompson
You?ve missed the point. Companies aren?t working for you, they are working for themselves. There goal is to make money, so your single desire isn?t enough to warrant their interest. They go where the money is.
Again, why should any company warp their goals of trying to increase their profits to satisfy your needs? Do you put this much emphasis on other companies to be like everyone else if it satisfied your single desire?
It?s funny, the people that clamor for Blu-ray on a consumer notebook or 1080p over 720p typically have no idea what they are wanting,
There's millions and millions of such people. Too bad not everyone is so well informed. If they had any frigging idea of anything at all they would not want the higher quality stuff.
You might as well promote the futuristic in-flight floppy disk.
Good point. Floppy disks are pretty much the same as BD disks in all important respects.
Mac heads - by in large don't care, or do we?
I don't care one way or the other.
Skip
Good boy.
But the reality is that Mac heads DO care about Blu-Ray. Indeed, Mac heads care very much. Mac heads hate BD.
So you'll need to start caring, and the better a Mac head you are, the more you despise Blu-Ray. It is a bag of hurt. Loyal Apple customers hate it. That is all you need to know.
I can't for the life of me see the value of Blu-ray on a computer.
Can you see the value of having the choice? How about for for other people with other habits?
Wife: "I want to watch a movie on my MacBook"
Me: "We only have it on Blu-ray"
Wife: "That's dumb. Why doesn't my Mac play Blu-ray"
Me: "Because Apple wants us to download movies"
Wife "Don't we get charged $5 per gig for downloads?"
Me "Yes, and that's why we don't download movies"
So... for those in the land of mega-super-zinga free bandwidth - I envy you. There are lots of that would have preferred Apple spend another $8 and put a Blu-ray drive in...
It's slightly more than $8 extra. Some retailers have them at $1000:
http://store.fastmac.com/product_inf...roducts_id=338
Apple use the very slim slot-loading drives. Even best-case scenario, you will be paying a $200 premium for Blu-Ray and I guarantee your wife would complain about that if it was a choice when you bought the machine.
So let's assume that you want to find a solution after purchase. You can buy the Sony BDX-s500u:
http://sonyrumors.net/2010/09/28/son...ner-for-macpc/
which is Mac compatible. The Mac OS system just can't play back the discs but Bootcamp can and Parallels or VMWare may be able to or if not, extract the movie from the disc.
The biggest problem with Blu-Ray is that people have assumptions that it's a cheap add-on and Apple are just being stubborn. They are stubborn for good reasons.
The Mac OS system just can't play back the discs...
Sure it can.
Download MakeMKV. Play straight from the disc. Argument over. OS X can't do it? Who cares? I don't want DRM in my OS, and apparently I don't have to with MakeMKV.
You should be able to play it from VLC with the right settings in MakeMKV.
Go ahead! Watch that blu-ray with your special eyes!
I find it insulting that you think you can tell me what I see.
The only thing I would want blu-ray for would be to be able to rip blu-ray content into my digital library.
That's the reason I use my BD-RE/HD DVD-ROM drive in my Mac Pro. Blu-ray rips of movies I already own.
And I wouldn't be saving it as 1080p!
That's insanely foolish. I save all my content as 1080p because you don't need these impossibly huge filesizes for it. 4GB for a movie. Come on, now.
Your iPad cannot display HD content.
While I normally agree that 720p is not HD at all, you're absolutely wrong with this statement by the definitions of the rest of the world.
You?ve missed the point. Companies aren?t working for you, they are working for themselves. There goal is to make money, so your single desire isn?t enough to warrant their interest. They go where the money is.
Again, why should any company warp their goals of trying to increase their profits to satisfy your needs? Do you put this much emphasis on other companies to be like everyone else if it satisfied your single desire?
Reread my post. I'm agreeing with you.
Thompson
Seeing as toshiba is one of the largest selling brands of laptop I thought I would find out how many of the laptops in their current range can support 1920 by 1080 video which is the blue Ray standard. It turns out that the only ones that do are the qosmio range which is the high end (and expensive) gaming laptop segment. It seems these laptops have a maximum battery life of about an hour and 45 minutes when playing optical media. Not enough for avitar.
HPs laptops which can handle 1080 video have even shorter battery life.
Looks like if you want to watch Avatar on a plane at full resolution the only way to do it is rip the movie and watch it on a 17 MBP ( the only apple laptop which has the screen resolution to handle it)
I travel A LOT and I assure you the last thing I want to do is lug around bluray discs and be popping them into my computer so that I can watch my battery meter go down faster than Enron.
If someone sat beside me on the plane and was thrilled that they could pop in a bluray I'd say "Great. By the way, have you seen my iPad? It holds 12 bluray movies and last 10 hours."
I suggest you sign up at the gym and develop those muscles so that you're able to "lug" those incredibly heavy discs around. I don't have that problem, and, as crazy as it is heard to believe, I am able to watch Blu-ray movies on my PC laptop without watching the "battery meter go down faster than Enron"..
I know that's amazing to you since you choose to just regurgitate the typical fanboy arguments (Lug it around, all Laptops with Blu-ray get bad battery life) but reality defies your RDF view of the world.
Is it like the HD movies I stream over the web on my AppleTV for $4.99, watch once and then forget.
Or is it like the stack of CDs I have in my closet that I don't have time to give to Goodwill?
The is disc is dead.
The "battery running out" argument is pretty lame. Every airplane I've been on for the past couple years has had a power outlet in the seats. And I can definitely "tell the difference" between 1080p and iTunes HD-in-name-only on my 27" iMac and the attached 30" studio display.
This is a cash grab on Apple's part and I think it would be nice to be able to get an iMac or MacBook Pro with Blu-Ray as even an option. I'm certainly paying enough for these items that a choice removed to push me towards iTunes feels a little slimy.
The "battery running out" argument is pretty lame. Every airplane I've been on for the past couple years has had a power outlet in the seats. And I can definitely "tell the difference" between 1080p and iTunes HD-in-name-only on my 27" iMac and the attached 30" studio display.
Your implication that all seats on airlines have power outlets is fallacious.Your talk of a notebook needing Blu-ray because you can tell the different on a 27? 2560x1440 and 30? 2560x1600 is specious. Your presumed entitlement that Apple should offer you an option you wish simply because you desire it is fatuous. Your stating iTunes HD content isn?t HD because it?s not as HD as content on Blu-ray discs is vacuous.