If they choose to shun the app store, will other rival apps gain traction and eat into their market share? It's all going to be fascinating to watch!
I for one am extremely excited about this, it could be seismic.
Epic. I'd bet that neither Adobe nor Msft will appear on the App Store with CS or Office for a good while yet. Hopefully there'll be some more awesome alternatives knocking about very soon Ã* la Pixelmator. And of course there's iWork...
And with Lion coming out later, will we see The Year of the Mac?
...Sorry Steve, Year of the PC? WTF.
Death to large software companies! Long live Great Hardware!
Epic. I'd bet that neither Adobe nor Msft will appear on the App Store with CS or Office for a good while yet. Hopefully there'll be some more awesome alternatives knocking about very soon Ã* la Pixelmator. And of course there's iWork...
And with Lion coming out later, will we see The Year of the Mac?
...Sorry Steve, Year of the PC? WTF.
Death to large software companies! Long live Great Hardware!
I don’t think they could sell those apps on MAS even if they wanted to. I assume they have to be built using Cocoa and not access any “off limits” area of the OS. They might not even be able to use private APIs.
I don’t even think simpler apps like iStat Menus could sell through MAS because it needs access to the core OS services.
Or am I completely off base with this mimicing how the iOS App Store (iAS) works?
PS: Nothing wrong with calling a Mac a PC or Personal Computer. It’s been 36 years since tried to differentiate their GUI based Mac from IBM-PC (and clones) running DOS, but they’ve always been PCs. It’s just like saying a Sony Vaio isn’t a PC it’s a Vaio. All marketing.
Can't wait. It'll certainly make my MBP a little less boring of an evening. From an entertainment point of view the iPad has virtually made it redundant.
Developers of music applications are going to have a field day with this.
I use StompBox and AmpliTube on the iPad but needed to purchase a separate interface (iRig) in order to use. The Mac desktop and laptops have all the interfaces you need.
The day CES starts? So does this mean Apple will attend CES this year or will be a way to draw attention away from the other booths, even though SW and services never outshine new HW.
New Intel hardware suggests new Mac hardware, which might suggest no optical drives in the laptop range any more, which means Apple should have a Mac store in place for people who wonder how they will get software onto their machine.
New Intel hardware suggests new Mac hardware, which might suggest no optical drives in the laptop range any more, which means Apple should have a Mac store in place for people who wonder how they will get software onto their machine.
Is that really an issue for people? Most apps that will allowed in MAS aren?t likely to be shipped on disc anyway. And even Adobe and MS app suites can be downloaded from their respective websites.
I think the ?need? for an ODD to install apps or run off a disc is pretty uncommon these days. I think the biggest thing holding back the removable of the ODD was the cost of NAND for a (then 16GB) now 8GB Flash drive to hold the System Restore Disc. The first MBA oddly included a disc but no ODD, just a new method to boot to disc from networked Mac?s ODD.
Is that really an issue for people? Most apps that will allowed in MAS aren?t likely to be shipped on disc anyway. And even Adobe and MS app suites can be downloaded from their respective websites.
From a support point of view perhaps. I know everyone here will get software online but people who don't work with computers all the time are used to buying in-store - I still see retail boxes of software in people's houses. It's just a centralised place that mimics how a retail store works and it's always present.
It's an easy answer if someone asks and it encourages developers to move to online distribution exclusively. If Apple didn't have a solution, someone might ask 'where do I get word processing software?', to which the reply might be 'online' but then the response will be 'yeah, but where online?'. Now they can say to look in the App Store.
From a support point of view perhaps. I know everyone here will get software online but people who don't work with computers all the time are used to buying in-store - I still see retail boxes of software in people's houses. It's just a centralised place that mimics how a retail store works and it's always present.
It's an easy answer if someone asks and it encourages developers to move to online distribution exclusively. If Apple didn't have a solution, someone might ask 'where do I get word processing software?', to which the reply might be 'online' but then the response will be 'yeah, but where online?'. Now they can say to look in the App Store.
I think you have a valid point from Apple?s marketing position, but I think the majority of users have been getting software online for awhile now. The SW sections in stores has dropped considerably over the years. In part from online retail stores selling as lower prices than B&M stores can offer, but also from downloads.
Plus, I think the MacBook will stay and will have an ODD and perhaps even drop its price a bit to be lower than the entry level MBA. I think the only ones that won?t have internal ODDs to start will be the 13? and 15? MBPs, along with the MBAs. Everything else likely has space for an ODD for the time being. And it?s not like they can?t buy one of many external USB ODDs if needed, so it?s not like users have to completely turn their back on optical discs.
PS: Coincidentally, I have to burn a DVD today, which means I have to pull out my external ODD.
Originally Posted by iLoveMYiPhoneAndWantToGetaMAC
I sure hope that they use this opportunity to finally disallow side-loading unauthorized pieces of code on Macs. If they were to do that, I bet AppleCare would be cheaper for all of us. That way, the User Experience would be correct, and the support requests would fall off dramatically.
Nooooooooooo!!!!! Sure, you could allow it as an option, but making it "mandatory" or even the default would be disastrously disruptive to the Mac market. Not everyone who uses a Mac is a casual user regardless of what Apple haters might say. Locking down the Mac would be like cutting off the oxygen supply to the Apple ecosystem.
Apple is def beefing up their world-wide op capacity - releasing the store in 90 countries simultaneously after their history of rolling out in smaller waves.
Feature article suggestion: a behind the scenes on how everything in something as ambitious as this whole new store is brought out complete in maybe what, 30-40 languages and 60 or more currencies?
Is the language translation done by humans? Is it done mostly by algorithms and then cleaned up by humans? Is the pricing automated by formula as well, taking into account currency trends, VAT's, any import duties, etc.?
How are apps available in all countries treated as compared to those only available in one or a few of the country stores?
If Apple would co-operate, inquiring minds would find this quite fascinating I think. It's a massive and impressive undertaking from a company with a few kids in a garage 30 some years ago.
Once again a game changer. I don't know if anybody has ever pointed out how completely Apple has won the battle for acceptance of the Mac word 'app'. Every smart phone manufacturer now calls them 'apps'. but I guess if Microsoft had got there first we would have had a 'prog. store! Doesn't have the same ring does it?
Once again a game changer. I don't know if anybody has ever pointed out how completely Apple has won the battle for acceptance of the Mac word 'app'. Every smart phone manufacturer now calls them 'apps'. but I guess if Microsoft had got there first we would have had a 'prog. store! Doesn't have the same ring does it?
Nah, MS would have invented some stupid name they thought would be cute and marketable but ultimately wind up helping to kill the platform. Perhaps something as dumb as Progies or maybe a made up acronym they think is clever.
Apple is def beefing up their world-wide op capacity - releasing the store in 90 countries simultaneously after their history of rolling out in smaller waves.
They do have a little experience in doing such a thing. It's called iTunes Store.
Can I go on record saying this will be huge and game changing (no pun intended)? Thanks
Like so many things Apple does, this isn't a new concept as such it's just going to be done right for the first time (think MP3 players, pads and phones).
Except for the fact that Linux distro package managers do the same thing as the App Store, except better and have been around much longer.
Nah, MS would have invented some stupid name they thought would be cute and marketable but ultimately wind up helping to kill the platform. Perhaps something as dumb as Progies or maybe a made up acronym they think is clever.
Hypocritrical post considering all the stupid, "cute" names Apple uses for many of its industry-standard technologies.
Epic. I'd bet that neither Adobe nor Msft will appear on the App Store with CS or Office for a good while yet. Hopefully there'll be some more awesome alternatives knocking about very soon Ã* la Pixelmator. And of course there's iWork...
And with Lion coming out later, will we see The Year of the Mac?
...Sorry Steve, Year of the PC? WTF.
Death to large software companies! Long live Great Hardware!
Death to Apple? After all, they are a "large software company" that you are wishing death upon, right?
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We can?t wait to get started on January 6.
On the 12th Day of Christmas, my true love gave to me...
...F*** loads of Mac Apps via the new App Store.
Cheers Apple.
What does Epiphany mean to Mac users?
If they choose to shun the app store, will other rival apps gain traction and eat into their market share? It's all going to be fascinating to watch!
I for one am extremely excited about this, it could be seismic.
Epic. I'd bet that neither Adobe nor Msft will appear on the App Store with CS or Office for a good while yet. Hopefully there'll be some more awesome alternatives knocking about very soon Ã* la Pixelmator. And of course there's iWork...
And with Lion coming out later, will we see The Year of the Mac?
...Sorry Steve, Year of the PC? WTF.
Death to large software companies! Long live Great Hardware!
Epic. I'd bet that neither Adobe nor Msft will appear on the App Store with CS or Office for a good while yet. Hopefully there'll be some more awesome alternatives knocking about very soon Ã* la Pixelmator. And of course there's iWork...
And with Lion coming out later, will we see The Year of the Mac?
...Sorry Steve, Year of the PC? WTF.
Death to large software companies! Long live Great Hardware!
I don’t think they could sell those apps on MAS even if they wanted to. I assume they have to be built using Cocoa and not access any “off limits” area of the OS. They might not even be able to use private APIs.
I don’t even think simpler apps like iStat Menus could sell through MAS because it needs access to the core OS services.
Or am I completely off base with this mimicing how the iOS App Store (iAS) works?
PS: Nothing wrong with calling a Mac a PC or Personal Computer. It’s been 36 years since tried to differentiate their GUI based Mac from IBM-PC (and clones) running DOS, but they’ve always been PCs. It’s just like saying a Sony Vaio isn’t a PC it’s a Vaio. All marketing.
What does Epiphany mean to Mac users?
I use StompBox and AmpliTube on the iPad but needed to purchase a separate interface (iRig) in order to use. The Mac desktop and laptops have all the interfaces you need.
Integration with LogicExpress is a cert.
The day CES starts? So does this mean Apple will attend CES this year or will be a way to draw attention away from the other booths, even though SW and services never outshine new HW.
New Intel hardware suggests new Mac hardware, which might suggest no optical drives in the laptop range any more, which means Apple should have a Mac store in place for people who wonder how they will get software onto their machine.
New Intel hardware suggests new Mac hardware, which might suggest no optical drives in the laptop range any more, which means Apple should have a Mac store in place for people who wonder how they will get software onto their machine.
Is that really an issue for people? Most apps that will allowed in MAS aren?t likely to be shipped on disc anyway. And even Adobe and MS app suites can be downloaded from their respective websites.
I think the ?need? for an ODD to install apps or run off a disc is pretty uncommon these days. I think the biggest thing holding back the removable of the ODD was the cost of NAND for a (then 16GB) now 8GB Flash drive to hold the System Restore Disc. The first MBA oddly included a disc but no ODD, just a new method to boot to disc from networked Mac?s ODD.
Is that really an issue for people? Most apps that will allowed in MAS aren?t likely to be shipped on disc anyway. And even Adobe and MS app suites can be downloaded from their respective websites.
From a support point of view perhaps. I know everyone here will get software online but people who don't work with computers all the time are used to buying in-store - I still see retail boxes of software in people's houses. It's just a centralised place that mimics how a retail store works and it's always present.
It's an easy answer if someone asks and it encourages developers to move to online distribution exclusively. If Apple didn't have a solution, someone might ask 'where do I get word processing software?', to which the reply might be 'online' but then the response will be 'yeah, but where online?'. Now they can say to look in the App Store.
From a support point of view perhaps. I know everyone here will get software online but people who don't work with computers all the time are used to buying in-store - I still see retail boxes of software in people's houses. It's just a centralised place that mimics how a retail store works and it's always present.
It's an easy answer if someone asks and it encourages developers to move to online distribution exclusively. If Apple didn't have a solution, someone might ask 'where do I get word processing software?', to which the reply might be 'online' but then the response will be 'yeah, but where online?'. Now they can say to look in the App Store.
I think you have a valid point from Apple?s marketing position, but I think the majority of users have been getting software online for awhile now. The SW sections in stores has dropped considerably over the years. In part from online retail stores selling as lower prices than B&M stores can offer, but also from downloads.
Plus, I think the MacBook will stay and will have an ODD and perhaps even drop its price a bit to be lower than the entry level MBA. I think the only ones that won?t have internal ODDs to start will be the 13? and 15? MBPs, along with the MBAs. Everything else likely has space for an ODD for the time being. And it?s not like they can?t buy one of many external USB ODDs if needed, so it?s not like users have to completely turn their back on optical discs.
PS: Coincidentally, I have to burn a DVD today, which means I have to pull out my external ODD.
....where's the list of the 90 countries??
THESE minus about about 15.
I sure hope that they use this opportunity to finally disallow side-loading unauthorized pieces of code on Macs. If they were to do that, I bet AppleCare would be cheaper for all of us. That way, the User Experience would be correct, and the support requests would fall off dramatically.
Nooooooooooo!!!!! Sure, you could allow it as an option, but making it "mandatory" or even the default would be disastrously disruptive to the Mac market. Not everyone who uses a Mac is a casual user regardless of what Apple haters might say. Locking down the Mac would be like cutting off the oxygen supply to the Apple ecosystem.
Feature article suggestion: a behind the scenes on how everything in something as ambitious as this whole new store is brought out complete in maybe what, 30-40 languages and 60 or more currencies?
Is the language translation done by humans? Is it done mostly by algorithms and then cleaned up by humans? Is the pricing automated by formula as well, taking into account currency trends, VAT's, any import duties, etc.?
How are apps available in all countries treated as compared to those only available in one or a few of the country stores?
If Apple would co-operate, inquiring minds would find this quite fascinating I think. It's a massive and impressive undertaking from a company with a few kids in a garage 30 some years ago.
Once again a game changer. I don't know if anybody has ever pointed out how completely Apple has won the battle for acceptance of the Mac word 'app'. Every smart phone manufacturer now calls them 'apps'. but I guess if Microsoft had got there first we would have had a 'prog. store! Doesn't have the same ring does it?
Nah, MS would have invented some stupid name they thought would be cute and marketable but ultimately wind up helping to kill the platform. Perhaps something as dumb as Progies or maybe a made up acronym they think is clever.
Apple is def beefing up their world-wide op capacity - releasing the store in 90 countries simultaneously after their history of rolling out in smaller waves.
They do have a little experience in doing such a thing. It's called iTunes Store.
Can I go on record saying this will be huge and game changing (no pun intended)? Thanks
Like so many things Apple does, this isn't a new concept as such it's just going to be done right for the first time (think MP3 players, pads and phones).
Except for the fact that Linux distro package managers do the same thing as the App Store, except better and have been around much longer.
Nah, MS would have invented some stupid name they thought would be cute and marketable but ultimately wind up helping to kill the platform. Perhaps something as dumb as Progies or maybe a made up acronym they think is clever.
Hypocritrical post considering all the stupid, "cute" names Apple uses for many of its industry-standard technologies.
Epic. I'd bet that neither Adobe nor Msft will appear on the App Store with CS or Office for a good while yet. Hopefully there'll be some more awesome alternatives knocking about very soon Ã* la Pixelmator. And of course there's iWork...
And with Lion coming out later, will we see The Year of the Mac?
...Sorry Steve, Year of the PC? WTF.
Death to large software companies! Long live Great Hardware!
Death to Apple? After all, they are a "large software company" that you are wishing death upon, right?