Exactly. Boy, talk about ready, fire, aim. I don't seriously expect WP7 to rescue Microsoft in the mobile market or otherwise make much of a dent in the universe -- but if they do sell 1.5m units in the first three months, who's going to be calling it a complete failure?
Their app numbers look pretty good, too. They will probably 5,000 apps by CES, if not by the new year. Sure, that’s a drop in the bucket compared to iOS and Android, but if I read correctly that is a growth rate that is exceeding Android Marketplace apps for similar timeframes.
I’m not a developer so I can’t be certain, but I’d think that logistically devs would find WP7 easier and cheaper to develop for than Android due the limited number of HW and handsets to build for. Plus, devs I know — even ones that use Macs — seem to prefer .Net over Xcode so it’s possible that MS has a fighting chance.
In any case, it seems clear there is no way to determine success or failure at this point and time.
I have no doubt that if you signed up for the developer tools and tried to publish one of your applications that you will get even more inforation about payments.
Of course the iFan blog world thinks this is recent news and some kind of slight by MS to developers or a sign they are not doing well, even though it was the plan all along.
Dont feel to bad, you are not alone in beliving the BS at this site.
Okay, he said March, and your blog says Feb. I think the point here is, the app developers aren't getting paid in a timely manner. Would you go through the effort of developing an app for a company that may or may not pay you in 3-6 months time? (With only 4000 apps in the store, that should answer the question.)
Makes you wonder if M$ did something like this, because they wanted to give themselves 6 months before pulling the plug if sales sucked. And of course, then not pay any of the app developers. That's just pure speculation on my part, but with Ballmer at the helm, nothing is out of the realm of possibility.
The only things sadder are the piles of Nokia N97's gathering dust.
The N97 is two years old, your moaning about the N97 is getting a little old, sure it is a shit phone, no one is arguing there, but it is time to let go..
Or would you like me to start saying how crap my Performa 6320CD was?
How many words in that ridiculous article? Feeling threatened much?
The fact is the best days of the iPhone are over, it will not take over the world, whether it loses to Android or Windows phone 7, and is back on the way to OSX irrelevance.
This will in fact break Apple, as their iTunes media dominance will also be killed, as they rapidly become a minority media player.
Apple's vertical model has failed once again, no wonder they are now selling the iPhone in Sams club.
Maybe channel numbers are all MS really has to report right now. Perhaps they are waiting until the end of quarter, perhaps to announce at CES, when they get actual numbers from carriers and vendors. While this may not be the case we should keep in mind that MS is only providing the OS for the phones; they aren't the OS, HW and seller of the devices the way Apple is.
Apple and Google know the all important numbers through activations. Surely MS phones require something similar.
If you really love your parents you'd get them iPhone 4. I got my mom an iPhone. She loved it. I was amazed at how quickly she learned to use it.
I assume you're joking
If not, you seem to be confusing love with buying stuff, which given our collective search for meaning and satisfaction in stuff, that's understandable but misguided. I love my Mum dearly but I show that by phoning, visiting, helping her with chores, reading to her, taking her for walks, cooking her dinner, sending cards, helping her with financial stuff and just sharing tales, jokes, stories and memories. And being there as best I can should she need me. Not by buying her an iPhone4!
I lol'd You've got to feel sorry for the dude that has to try and spin these announcements!
In any case I would be amazed if the sales didn't come. Anyone that has used one of the damn things can tell you Microsoft have put together one of the best, if not the best, mobile OS on the market. It just happens to be immature and needs some updates to flesh out the feature list.
It's going to be interesting to see if Microsoft keep backing WP7 over the next 12 months like they have the past 12, and if the management can stay out of the way of the great work the engineers are pulling off.
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Okay, he said March, and your blog says Feb. I think the point here is, the app developers aren't getting paid in a timely manner.
Actually payment dates have been pushed forward again. They are running something like a month in advance of the announced schedule. Pretty impressive stuff - or under promise, over deliver... one or the other
The N97 is two years old, your moaning about the N97 is getting a little old, sure it is a shit phone, no one is arguing there, but it is time to let go..
Or would you like me to start saying how crap my Performa 6320CD was?
It's called channel stuffing, Nokia counted those phones as "sold" over a year ago, they are still available to buy but no one really wants them, so they sit gathering dust, it makes you wonder how long the N8's and C7's will sit there for, alongside the HTC torches.
Maybe channel numbers are all MS really has to report right now. Perhaps they are waiting until the end of quarter, perhaps to announce at CES, when they get actual numbers from carriers and vendors. While this may not be the case we should keep in mind that MS is only providing the OS for the phones; they aren't the OS, HW and seller of the devices the way Apple is.
All very true but then why provide any numbers at all if it adds no clarity to the situation? Providing the numbers like MSFT did in this manner makes it seem like they have something to hide. If Apple and Google can talk about activations per day, I would have to think MSFT has access to the same numbers but has chosen not to report them. Maybe they feel the numbers are too puny in comparison to otherOS phones to report or maybe they just wanted to report a large number so things would look more impressive right now. But this could also backfire if this is the case. If MSFT actually sold a half million phones, while not great, I wouldn't think that would a bad start for the phone. But in the face of having shipped 1.5 million phones, it would seem that MSFT would have missed it's target. In my mind, they would have to have sold at least a million phones to make the shipping number seem reasonable
Microsoft Wndows Phone 7 was dead on arrival. Horrible UI, horrible software, bland cloner phone hardware, and locked to the super expensive proprietary Microsoft OS.
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The only things sadder are the piles of Nokia N97's gathering dust.
iPhones go as fast as we get them.
Androids are moving fairly slowly as well, the older models (X10, Legend, Motorola Flipout) languish while the Desire HD and Galaxy S move steadily.
Nothing comes close to demand for iPhones.
We should be seeing the BOGO offers or similar giveaways very soon.
They still sold two licenses.
Exactly. Boy, talk about ready, fire, aim. I don't seriously expect WP7 to rescue Microsoft in the mobile market or otherwise make much of a dent in the universe -- but if they do sell 1.5m units in the first three months, who's going to be calling it a complete failure?
Their app numbers look pretty good, too. They will probably 5,000 apps by CES, if not by the new year. Sure, that’s a drop in the bucket compared to iOS and Android, but if I read correctly that is a growth rate that is exceeding Android Marketplace apps for similar timeframes.I’m not a developer so I can’t be certain, but I’d think that logistically devs would find WP7 easier and cheaper to develop for than Android due the limited number of HW and handsets to build for. Plus, devs I know — even ones that use Macs — seem to prefer .Net over Xcode so it’s possible that MS has a fighting chance.
In any case, it seems clear there is no way to determine success or failure at this point and time.
MS still would not reveal numbers that actually matters.. How many sold to end-users?
That's what I was thinking. Who cares how many they have built. How many have sold.
Microsoft launched WP7 across 60 carriers in 30 countries, including all four major US carriers.
I thought they were only GSM (AT&T and T-Mobile) at this point.
I thought they were only GSM (AT&T and T-Mobile) at this point.
Good catch. MS stated a CDMA-based version won?t come until mid-2011.
They also have not paid their app developers (payments don't start until March next year) and have not reported number on app sales.
Next March? Welcome to the digital age, when money is just a series of bits to move instantly from one place to....
Oh forgive me, for a moment I forgot it was MS we were speaking about.
http://wmpoweruser.com/verizon-apps-...n-marketplace/
Another hit piece by AI. If they ha[d] sold 3 million, AI would have still spun it negative and compared it to the iPhone.
I wish AI was a racing horse, it would be a sure bet every time.
How true!
You are wrong.
"And perhaps most importantly, developers can expect the first payout of sales to date to take place in February."
That information was freely availible on 10/4 on this blog post.
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_p...or-launch.aspx
I have no doubt that if you signed up for the developer tools and tried to publish one of your applications that you will get even more inforation about payments.
Of course the iFan blog world thinks this is recent news and some kind of slight by MS to developers or a sign they are not doing well, even though it was the plan all along.
Dont feel to bad, you are not alone in beliving the BS at this site.
Okay, he said March, and your blog says Feb. I think the point here is, the app developers aren't getting paid in a timely manner. Would you go through the effort of developing an app for a company that may or may not pay you in 3-6 months time? (With only 4000 apps in the store, that should answer the question.)
Makes you wonder if M$ did something like this, because they wanted to give themselves 6 months before pulling the plug if sales sucked. And of course, then not pay any of the app developers. That's just pure speculation on my part, but with Ballmer at the helm, nothing is out of the realm of possibility.
The only things sadder are the piles of Nokia N97's gathering dust.
The N97 is two years old, your moaning about the N97 is getting a little old, sure it is a shit phone, no one is arguing there, but it is time to let go..
Or would you like me to start saying how crap my Performa 6320CD was?
The fact is the best days of the iPhone are over, it will not take over the world, whether it loses to Android or Windows phone 7, and is back on the way to OSX irrelevance.
This will in fact break Apple, as their iTunes media dominance will also be killed, as they rapidly become a minority media player.
Apple's vertical model has failed once again, no wonder they are now selling the iPhone in Sams club.
Maybe channel numbers are all MS really has to report right now. Perhaps they are waiting until the end of quarter, perhaps to announce at CES, when they get actual numbers from carriers and vendors. While this may not be the case we should keep in mind that MS is only providing the OS for the phones; they aren't the OS, HW and seller of the devices the way Apple is.
Apple and Google know the all important numbers through activations. Surely MS phones require something similar.
If you really love your parents you'd get them iPhone 4. I got my mom an iPhone. She loved it. I was amazed at how quickly she learned to use it.
I assume you're joking
If not, you seem to be confusing love with buying stuff, which given our collective search for meaning and satisfaction in stuff, that's understandable but misguided. I love my Mum dearly but I show that by phoning, visiting, helping her with chores, reading to her, taking her for walks, cooking her dinner, sending cards, helping her with financial stuff and just sharing tales, jokes, stories and memories. And being there as best I can should she need me. Not by buying her an iPhone4!
In any case I would be amazed if the sales didn't come. Anyone that has used one of the damn things can tell you Microsoft have put together one of the best, if not the best, mobile OS on the market. It just happens to be immature and needs some updates to flesh out the feature list.
It's going to be interesting to see if Microsoft keep backing WP7 over the next 12 months like they have the past 12, and if the management can stay out of the way of the great work the engineers are pulling off.
Okay, he said March, and your blog says Feb. I think the point here is, the app developers aren't getting paid in a timely manner.
Actually payment dates have been pushed forward again. They are running something like a month in advance of the announced schedule. Pretty impressive stuff - or under promise, over deliver... one or the other
The N97 is two years old, your moaning about the N97 is getting a little old, sure it is a shit phone, no one is arguing there, but it is time to let go..
Or would you like me to start saying how crap my Performa 6320CD was?
It's called channel stuffing, Nokia counted those phones as "sold" over a year ago, they are still available to buy but no one really wants them, so they sit gathering dust, it makes you wonder how long the N8's and C7's will sit there for, alongside the HTC torches.
Maybe channel numbers are all MS really has to report right now. Perhaps they are waiting until the end of quarter, perhaps to announce at CES, when they get actual numbers from carriers and vendors. While this may not be the case we should keep in mind that MS is only providing the OS for the phones; they aren't the OS, HW and seller of the devices the way Apple is.
All very true but then why provide any numbers at all if it adds no clarity to the situation? Providing the numbers like MSFT did in this manner makes it seem like they have something to hide. If Apple and Google can talk about activations per day, I would have to think MSFT has access to the same numbers but has chosen not to report them. Maybe they feel the numbers are too puny in comparison to otherOS phones to report or maybe they just wanted to report a large number so things would look more impressive right now. But this could also backfire if this is the case. If MSFT actually sold a half million phones, while not great, I wouldn't think that would a bad start for the phone. But in the face of having shipped 1.5 million phones, it would seem that MSFT would have missed it's target. In my mind, they would have to have sold at least a million phones to make the shipping number seem reasonable
Who buys phones for their parents?
I do.
If you really love your parents you'd get them iPhone 4. I got my mom an iPhone. She loved it. I was amazed at how quickly she learned to use it.
They don't like the poor implementation of notifications. Besides, it's buy one get one free.
I happen to like windows phone. I'd pick one up for my parents. Still not even close to prying my fingers from my i4.
Hehe, why don't you get one for yourself? Did your parents torture you when you were young and now you want the revenge it with Windows phone?