That graph comes from an Apple Insider article. I did not make it.
Everyone knows iPod sales are waning. Unless Apple releases an Itunes app for Android (and hell freezes over) Apple will start losing music retail market share.
Apple writes all their code and creates all their services to SELL MORE HARDWARE. Explain to us how Apple can sell more HW by licensing FairPlay for Android-based devices?
Apple is taking the lion?s share of PMP, cellphone and PC profits across the globe, but you think they should give all that up to license FairPlay. How exactly does that make sense?
That graph comes from an Apple Insider article. I did not make it.
Everyone knows iPod sales are waning. Unless Apple releases an Itunes app for Android (and hell freezes over) Apple will start losing music retail market share.
Latest figures show that iTunes has actually increased its share of digital music sales. Since this comes during a period of explosive Android growth, it would appear that there is more to capturing online music sales than having an iTunes compatible app for your phone.
Latest figures show that iTunes has actually increased its share of digital music sales. Since this comes during a period of explosive Android growth, it would appear that there is more to capturing online music sales than having an iTunes compatible app for your phone.
Since Android users aren?t big on paying for apps, I can?t imagine they would be big on paying for music either.
It's called channel stuffing, Nokia counted those phones as "sold" over a year ago, they are still available to buy but no one really wants them, so they sit gathering dust, it makes you wonder how long the N8's and C7's will sit there for, alongside the HTC torches.
I think you will find that technically Nokia has sold the device, just like Apple does when they have sold a device to a local importer. But if you are't happy with that maybe you should discount them, or ask Nokia (or the local importer) to take them back for a credit, like Apple does with the old iPods etc.
And remember, Nokia doesn't force an importer to purchase items of them, maybe the importer, or your employer should start practicing better stock management.
That graph comes from an Apple Insider article. I did not make it.
Everyone knows iPod sales are waning. Unless Apple releases an Itunes app for Android (and hell freezes over) Apple will start losing music retail market share.
iPod sales are waning in as much as Zune sales are waning. I'd be surprised if the sales didn't slow, since the iPhone and WP7 can do the same things. Redundancy will kill sales of the music only hardware, however, iTunes pretty much takes care of Apples retail market share in the mobile music/game/video arena's.
Having never used a Zune or the software associated with it, I can't comment on whether it is competitive with iTunes?
How many words in that ridiculous article? Feeling threatened much?
The fact is the best days of the iPhone are over, it will not take over the world, whether it loses to Android or Windows phone 7, and is back on the way to OSX irrelevance.
This will in fact break Apple, as their iTunes media dominance will also be killed, as they rapidly become a minority media player.
Since Android users aren?t big on paying for apps, I can?t imagine they would be big on paying for music either.
Yep. I guess we might argue that the rise of Android will skew the dl numbers back towards illegal file sharing, but that's rather a different thing from claiming that iTunes is doomed because they don't have an Android client. Moreover, that kind of stuff is just going to make it more difficult for Google to negotiate deals with content providers.
A certain demographic of user might celebrate Android's "openness" as a means to help themselves to whatever they want for free, but you're not going to get too far in providing legitimate services (as in the case of, oh, I don't know, Google TV?) if you have the reputation as the platform for thieves.
The N97 is two years old, your moaning about the N97 is getting a little old, sure it is a shit phone, no one is arguing there, but it is time to let go..
Or would you like me to start saying how crap my Performa 6320CD was?
Something you once loved, but no longer use, does not equal piles of N97's that were never sold, thus never used.
See, the ad campaign is actually saying you can get what you want to get done, in shorter time than other phones, so you won't have your head buried in your phone while life passes you by. Actually pretty brilliant, and appeals to a lot of people.
Chronster, I love your point. However, the angle that people will buy the WP7 phone because they will get things done in a shorter time is, pardon me, utter nonsense. All it will mean is that they will call more people and check more things over the Internet in the same 24 hours than they have been. Yesterday I was just about run over by some lady in a parking lot doing something with her BB smartphone while not paying attention to the road. If she had a WP7 phone, she still would have been doing something with her phone. Mobile phone and smart phone use is addictive and people just won't stop using them no matter how much MS believes they will. Whether these folks are actually more productive while using a WP7 remains to be seen. Again, good point.
Another hit piece by AI. If they has sold 3 million, AI would have still spun it negative and compared it to the iPhone.
I wish AI was a racing horse, it would be a sure bet every time.
So, Betti, are you just going to attack AI, or are you going to defend the Microsoft PR's faux-interview with some actual points? No? Then what are you complaining about?
The anti MS spin is to be expected and generally amusing, but seriously actually get the facts right. Microsoft has a $500 million marketing budget for the entire company, not a $500 million budget for promoting WP7. Every article of MS irrespective of if it's about Bing, Kinnect, Office or Windows 7 seems to quote this figure. All it shows is they have a lot of products and therefore spend a lot of money on advertising.
Strange, because I'm quite sure if you look at Microsoft's financials, their marketing budget is quite alot more than $500M.
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Plus it's not like they have actually reached the same level of advertising the Apple do on one product. I haven't been able to go a day in the last few months without seeing an iPad advert. WP7 ad's I see around once a week.
To be fair, consumers only think of TV ads as marketing, while companies like Microsoft actually spend quite alot on print, while Apple spends very little on print. Also, marketing budget funds are also used to pay hardware OEMs to put little stickers on their products, that sort of thing. And, they go to things like developer conferences where they try to wine and dine developers, and give them free hardware to develop on. In other words, marketing budget money goes to lots of things that AREN'T tv ads.
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Reading through the article though this doesn't actually sound that bad. Obviously there not going to have overnight success, these things take time for early adopters to buy the phones and recommend them to others.
I guess so, if we were talking about a small company trying to make inroads into the smartphone market with their first generation phone and OS, but this is Microsoft who have been in the smartphone business for a decade and this isn't their first smartphone OS.
How many words in that ridiculous article? Feeling threatened much?
The fact is the best days of the iPhone are over, it will not take over the world, whether it loses to Android or Windows phone 7, and is back on the way to OSX irrelevance.
This will in fact break Apple, as their iTunes media dominance will also be killed, as they rapidly become a minority media player.
Apple's vertical model has failed once again, no wonder they are now selling the iPhone in Sams club.
Dude, Nielsen surveys are just that surveys. At this point, noone knows how reliable they are. Nielsen as you know do television ratings, but they have been trying to branch out their business lines. Until they show some validity in their surveys, I wouldn't hang my hat on their data.
That graph comes from an Apple Insider article. I did not make it.
Everyone knows iPod sales are waning. Unless Apple releases an Itunes app for Android (and hell freezes over) Apple will start losing music retail market share.
How many words in that ridiculous article? Feeling threatened much?
The fact is the best days of the iPhone are over, it will not take over the world, whether it loses to Android or Windows phone 7, and is back on the way to OSX irrelevance.
This will in fact break Apple, as their iTunes media dominance will also be killed, as they rapidly become a minority media player.
Apple's vertical model has failed once again, no wonder they are now selling the iPhone in Sams club.
I don't suspect you're one of the serial trolls plaguing this board because his replies were somewhat more intelligent.
If anything, that graph confirms that Apple has been able to hold strong against the onslaught of competing smartphones. Remember, it is just one company against virtually everyone else on Android. Will Android gain further? Maybe, but Apple losing market share in smartphones doesn't mean it loses. And I'm not even going to dignify your post by addressing your last sentence.
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That graph comes from an Apple Insider article. I did not make it.
Everyone knows iPod sales are waning. Unless Apple releases an Itunes app for Android (and hell freezes over) Apple will start losing music retail market share.
Apple writes all their code and creates all their services to SELL MORE HARDWARE. Explain to us how Apple can sell more HW by licensing FairPlay for Android-based devices?
Apple is taking the lion?s share of PMP, cellphone and PC profits across the globe, but you think they should give all that up to license FairPlay. How exactly does that make sense?
That graph comes from an Apple Insider article. I did not make it.
Everyone knows iPod sales are waning. Unless Apple releases an Itunes app for Android (and hell freezes over) Apple will start losing music retail market share.
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/17/mac-s...od-sales-down/
It is inevitable.
Latest figures show that iTunes has actually increased its share of digital music sales. Since this comes during a period of explosive Android growth, it would appear that there is more to capturing online music sales than having an iTunes compatible app for your phone.
Latest figures show that iTunes has actually increased its share of digital music sales. Since this comes during a period of explosive Android growth, it would appear that there is more to capturing online music sales than having an iTunes compatible app for your phone.
Since Android users aren?t big on paying for apps, I can?t imagine they would be big on paying for music either.
It's called channel stuffing, Nokia counted those phones as "sold" over a year ago, they are still available to buy but no one really wants them, so they sit gathering dust, it makes you wonder how long the N8's and C7's will sit there for, alongside the HTC torches.
I think you will find that technically Nokia has sold the device, just like Apple does when they have sold a device to a local importer. But if you are't happy with that maybe you should discount them, or ask Nokia (or the local importer) to take them back for a credit, like Apple does with the old iPods etc.
And remember, Nokia doesn't force an importer to purchase items of them, maybe the importer, or your employer should start practicing better stock management.
That graph comes from an Apple Insider article. I did not make it.
Everyone knows iPod sales are waning. Unless Apple releases an Itunes app for Android (and hell freezes over) Apple will start losing music retail market share.
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/17/mac-s...od-sales-down/
It is inevitable.
iPod sales are waning in as much as Zune sales are waning. I'd be surprised if the sales didn't slow, since the iPhone and WP7 can do the same things. Redundancy will kill sales of the music only hardware, however, iTunes pretty much takes care of Apples retail market share in the mobile music/game/video arena's.
Having never used a Zune or the software associated with it, I can't comment on whether it is competitive with iTunes?
How many words in that ridiculous article? Feeling threatened much?
The fact is the best days of the iPhone are over, it will not take over the world, whether it loses to Android or Windows phone 7, and is back on the way to OSX irrelevance.
This will in fact break Apple, as their iTunes media dominance will also be killed, as they rapidly become a minority media player.
Apple is DOOMED!
Since Android users aren?t big on paying for apps, I can?t imagine they would be big on paying for music either.
Yep. I guess we might argue that the rise of Android will skew the dl numbers back towards illegal file sharing, but that's rather a different thing from claiming that iTunes is doomed because they don't have an Android client. Moreover, that kind of stuff is just going to make it more difficult for Google to negotiate deals with content providers.
A certain demographic of user might celebrate Android's "openness" as a means to help themselves to whatever they want for free, but you're not going to get too far in providing legitimate services (as in the case of, oh, I don't know, Google TV?) if you have the reputation as the platform for thieves.
The N97 is two years old, your moaning about the N97 is getting a little old, sure it is a shit phone, no one is arguing there, but it is time to let go..
Or would you like me to start saying how crap my Performa 6320CD was?
Something you once loved, but no longer use, does not equal piles of N97's that were never sold, thus never used.
I do. Besides, it's buy one get one free.
So in essence you're a cheapie, buy one for yourself and give the free one to your mom, huh?
(responding to the question of who buys phones for their parents)
So in essence you're a cheapie, buy one for yourself and give the free one to your mom, huh?
Most likely in exchange for free rent of the basement for another year!
See, the ad campaign is actually saying you can get what you want to get done, in shorter time than other phones, so you won't have your head buried in your phone while life passes you by. Actually pretty brilliant, and appeals to a lot of people.
Chronster, I love your point. However, the angle that people will buy the WP7 phone because they will get things done in a shorter time is, pardon me, utter nonsense. All it will mean is that they will call more people and check more things over the Internet in the same 24 hours than they have been. Yesterday I was just about run over by some lady in a parking lot doing something with her BB smartphone while not paying attention to the road. If she had a WP7 phone, she still would have been doing something with her phone. Mobile phone and smart phone use is addictive and people just won't stop using them no matter how much MS believes they will. Whether these folks are actually more productive while using a WP7 remains to be seen. Again, good point.
Another hit piece by AI. If they has sold 3 million, AI would have still spun it negative and compared it to the iPhone.
I wish AI was a racing horse, it would be a sure bet every time.
So, Betti, are you just going to attack AI, or are you going to defend the Microsoft PR's faux-interview with some actual points? No? Then what are you complaining about?
The anti MS spin is to be expected and generally amusing, but seriously actually get the facts right. Microsoft has a $500 million marketing budget for the entire company, not a $500 million budget for promoting WP7. Every article of MS irrespective of if it's about Bing, Kinnect, Office or Windows 7 seems to quote this figure. All it shows is they have a lot of products and therefore spend a lot of money on advertising.
Strange, because I'm quite sure if you look at Microsoft's financials, their marketing budget is quite alot more than $500M.
Plus it's not like they have actually reached the same level of advertising the Apple do on one product. I haven't been able to go a day in the last few months without seeing an iPad advert. WP7 ad's I see around once a week.
To be fair, consumers only think of TV ads as marketing, while companies like Microsoft actually spend quite alot on print, while Apple spends very little on print. Also, marketing budget funds are also used to pay hardware OEMs to put little stickers on their products, that sort of thing. And, they go to things like developer conferences where they try to wine and dine developers, and give them free hardware to develop on. In other words, marketing budget money goes to lots of things that AREN'T tv ads.
Reading through the article though this doesn't actually sound that bad. Obviously there not going to have overnight success, these things take time for early adopters to buy the phones and recommend them to others.
I guess so, if we were talking about a small company trying to make inroads into the smartphone market with their first generation phone and OS, but this is Microsoft who have been in the smartphone business for a decade and this isn't their first smartphone OS.
How many words in that ridiculous article? Feeling threatened much?
The fact is the best days of the iPhone are over, it will not take over the world, whether it loses to Android or Windows phone 7, and is back on the way to OSX irrelevance.
This will in fact break Apple, as their iTunes media dominance will also be killed, as they rapidly become a minority media player.
Apple's vertical model has failed once again, no wonder they are now selling the iPhone in Sams club.
Dude, Nielsen surveys are just that surveys. At this point, noone knows how reliable they are. Nielsen as you know do television ratings, but they have been trying to branch out their business lines. Until they show some validity in their surveys, I wouldn't hang my hat on their data.
Who buys phones for their parents?
Obviously not you.
Look, I think the numbers are bad, very very bad.
If the numbers were even close to half a million, they would have been revealed.
Microsoft revealed the numbers for Kinnect, so why not reveal numbers for WP7 as well?
Because the numbers suck.
Time will tell.
It's a little sad, and somewhat disturbing actually, to see Microsoft fail this hard.
Next to nothing, and actually shows a disturbing lack of interest.
Yes, again, disturbing is the right word to use.
That graph comes from an Apple Insider article. I did not make it.
Everyone knows iPod sales are waning. Unless Apple releases an Itunes app for Android (and hell freezes over) Apple will start losing music retail market share.
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/17/mac-s...od-sales-down/
It is inevitable.
Right... iPod sales slowing means iTunes media sales is going down.
Love aside, if I was her, i'd take the iphone over ^^
"That's nice of you to do all that, sonny, now can I just have the damn iPhone?"
How many words in that ridiculous article? Feeling threatened much?
The fact is the best days of the iPhone are over, it will not take over the world, whether it loses to Android or Windows phone 7, and is back on the way to OSX irrelevance.
This will in fact break Apple, as their iTunes media dominance will also be killed, as they rapidly become a minority media player.
Apple's vertical model has failed once again, no wonder they are now selling the iPhone in Sams club.
I don't suspect you're one of the serial trolls plaguing this board because his replies were somewhat more intelligent.
If anything, that graph confirms that Apple has been able to hold strong against the onslaught of competing smartphones. Remember, it is just one company against virtually everyone else on Android. Will Android gain further? Maybe, but Apple losing market share in smartphones doesn't mean it loses. And I'm not even going to dignify your post by addressing your last sentence.