Maybe the unions forgot that they have priced American labor out of the market. The unions might not be too happy about the way they have destroyed U.S. competitiveness in manufacturing.
Yeah except they have unions for reasons unions are actually needed for. Breaks, safety at work, that sort of thing. Here, it's starting to become unclear what the unions do, if anything, other than damage.
Maybe the unions forgot that they have priced American labor out of the market. The unions might not be too happy about the way they have destroyed U.S. competitiveness in manufacturing.
It is not realistic to suggest that American workers should lower their working conditions to those of 3rd world countries.
There's a mistake there: China has a labor union, which has a monopoly. From the same article:
Quote:
ACFTU has a monopoly on trade unionizing in China and creation of competing unions is illegal. As a tool of the government, ACFTU has been seen as not acting in the best interest of its members (workers), bowing to the government pressure on industry growth and not defending workers' rights.
Also:
Quote:
The International Confederation of Free Trade Unions maintains the position that the ACFTU is not an independent trade union organisation, and states in its policy:
<snip>The ICFTU, noting that the ACFTU is not an independent trade union organisation and, therefore, cannot be regarded as an authentic voice of Chinese workers[...]
Ergo: the ACFTU is just another arm of the totalitarian Communist Party of China, and thus cannot be compared to free and independent Western labor unions.
\\Ergo: the ACFTU is just another arm of the totalitarian Communist Party of China, and thus cannot be compared to free and independent Western labor unions.
Some would argue that American labor unions aren't independent at all, just an unofficial arm of the Democratic party.
There is no use bitching about something that's systemic. Those jobs are gone, and won't be coming back unless the USA has a complete economic collapse. Is that what you really want? "
what do you mean by "unless"?
Have you not been following the news?
The US is over 14 trillion in debt, the Federal Reserve private bankers own the country.
With interest and lending rates, it is 100% impossible to ever repay this debt. Taxes will be paid to these private bankers forever.
Millions and millions of people are on the street and unemployed.
My god man - it's not 'unless' - the US is in the middle of a complete meltdown. Marshal law is only 6 - 10 months away. The empire has completely collapsed - the mainstream media just hasn't decided how to inform people yet... While they squeeze every last penny out of America and move their money off shore. (didn't you read about that little detail in the TARP package? The fed can never be audited and it can move money offshore with no oversite.) seriously, read it. It's what Ron Paul is fighting.
The question isn't if Apple will bring jobs back to America- but when Apple moves it's headquarters out of the US.
You should move on, because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. This is what happens when you take conservative propaganda as truth.
It's scary that you vote.
Oh my Oh my. I'll take "conservative propaganda" over the communist propaganda you wholeheartedly support. How about you move to North Korea, where they will embrace your leftist, and warped ideals.
I chuckle at each and every misguided soul who believes that an awful "income gap" exists in the US. Try going to some countries where you'll find a mansion with a Rolls Royce in the driveway 20 feet away from a shack.
Some would argue that American labor unions aren't independent at all, just an unofficial arm of the Democratic party.
The obvious mutually beneficial connection between the Democratic party and the American labor unions is, of course, a fact. But is either one controlled by the other to great lengths? As such, American labor unions are just another advocacy group in a sea of many, and not all that powerful, unlike their European counterparts (and their political arms, the social democratic parties in many European countries).
Oh my Oh my. I'll take "conservative propaganda" over the communist propaganda you wholeheartedly support. How about you move to North Korea, where they will embrace your leftist, and warped ideals.
I chuckle at each and every misguided soul who believes that an awful "income gap" exists in the US. Try going to some countries where you'll find a mansion with a Rolls Royce in the driveway 20 feet away from a shack.
Again, perspective
Really, I can't stress how much I'm laughing at you right now.
Let's see here: You admit you'll take propaganda. You try to say I take communist propaganda based on no evidence whatsoever. You tell me I support communism. You think North Korea embraces the American left. You tell me I'm a misguided soul, then say there is no income gap. You then tell me to go to another country where blatant income gaps exist as PROOF that in this country, there is none.
I mean really, I'd call you retarded, but in my heart, I know that's a SEVERE insult to those who suffer from mental retardation. See, they didn't choose to be that way, but you did. There literally is no insult for someone like you. You are willfully ignorant.
The US is over 14 trillion in debt, the Federal Reserve private bankers own the country.
With interest and lending rates, it is 100% impossible to ever repay this debt. Taxes will be paid to these private bankers forever.
Millions and millions of people are on the street and unemployed.
My god man - it's not 'unless' - the US is in the middle of a complete meltdown. Marshal law is only 6 - 10 months away. The empire has completely collapsed - the mainstream media just hasn't decided how to inform people yet... While they squeeze every last penny out of America and move their money off shore. (didn't you read about that little detail in the TARP package? The fed can never be audited and it can move money offshore with no oversite.) seriously, read it. It's what Ron Paul is fighting.
The question isn't if Apple will bring jobs back to America- but when Apple moves it's headquarters out of the US.
I think your post, just thrown in from nowhere as it is, is a bit unbelievable. So...
I'll leave it to you to back up claims about the Fed moving money offshore, the Fed can't be audited, and martial law being 6-10 months away. I couldn't find anything backing up those statements.
I chuckle at each and every misguided soul who believes that an awful "income gap" exists in the US. Try going to some countries where you'll find a mansion with a Rolls Royce in the driveway 20 feet away from a shack.
Then maybe we should try to avoid ending up like them. Because that's what's happening before our very eyes.
And who said North Korea is something to look up to? You're just slaying your own strawmen there.
Then maybe we should try to avoid ending up like them. Because that's what's happening before our very eyes.
And who said North Korea is something to look up to? You're just slaying your own strawmen there.
He's a complete fool, and he's not alone. I'm sick of people like him, and when I meet people like him in person, they NEVER stick around for an argument based on facts.
Everything he said is clearly driven by propaganda. He threw in North Korea there and said they would embrace the left why? Oh because North Korea = bad, and the left = bad. That's how his brain works. North Korea. Left. Communism. Clearly a Glenn Beck fan.
Maybe Obama forgot that Apple products are assembled using outsourced manufacturing jobs. The unions might not be too happy about that.
What an absolutely moronic and disingenuous comment. I'd like you to name a single mainstream electronics manufacturer that does NOT have their products either produced, in whole or in part, overseas. And, if it is manufactured in the US, it will incorporate products sourced from overseas.
This is a global world, not a US-centric world. Get over it already.
Very true, and it includes Palin's support for the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere".
But Alaska's ability to pay down its state retirement plan and give money to it's citizens was the result of Palin doubling the tax on the oil companies drilling in Alaska, not the result of DC pork.
She took money from rich corporations and used it to fund the state's retirement plan and give money back to Alaska's citizens.
Like I said, Socialism done well.
You don't have a clue what socialism is. You've confused the concept of tariff and taxes with it. You clearly can't identify it in the wild, because taxing a company using state government resources to pay for government job wages or benefits is not socialism, that's classic capitalism. If it's true, it's also the same kind of good guidance that any successful business requires and a concept that is absolutely foreign to almost all of our elected officials. Can't be profitable unless you are paying the bills.
Socialism has never been done well, and it's never been done because it's a myth. It's called feudalism, you're just for it because you like the marketing and the air of moral superiority you think it bestows upon you. You pay whatever money to the king that he demands, and he provides whatever he sees fit. You might agree with the king's decision, but you're still a serf.
Reality: we're all capitalists. Everything that breathes and eats is a capitalist. It's a fact of nature, co-operation is a function of capitalism, instead of eating someone you work with them to eat something else. There is no co-operation without a transaction or trade. There is no alternative to capitalism with the forceful acquisition of others' wealth or rights. Get a better education.
Lots of moralizing from people here about what others should or need to do with their resources. That's called religion, it certainly isn't economics, nor is it viable economic theory. And the consequences of telling people what to do with their money, are very clearly demonstrated thru history.
AND as far as this Obama character goes... if Steve Jobs is such an inspiration, perhaps on his trip to Silicon Valley, he should have scheduled more than an hour to discuss 'economics' with Steve Jobs, rather than spending the rest of the day at a private Google fundraising event for his campaign. Whether or not he's a socialist is irrelevant, the more important lesson is that he's shallow and his words are hollow. Best to ignore whatever he says entirely, and certainly not worth any serious emotion or rational investment of time or energy.
OK now my good Yuletide deed is done, Happy Holidays y'all!
I'll leave it to you to back up claims about the Fed moving money offshore, the Fed can't be audited, and martial law being 6-10 months away. I couldn't find anything backing up those statements.
Millions of links out there about the bill to 'Audit the Fed'.
Desperation is going to set in as Millions of Americans run out of benefits and no job prospects. The WikiLeaks concerning the banking cartel are going to throw people into pure rage.
Why do you think the US government is declaring war against an Australian Citizen? Building mass detention centers in every state?
Meanwhile, your president is worshiping Steve Jobs for being a billionaire, sitting in Hawaii drinking Mai Tai's - while millions are homeless and hungry.
Have a wonderful Christmas - it might be the last one you have as a sovereign citizen.
We have an income gap. We also have an talent and ambition gap. When someone figures out how to make us all equal, then incomes will converge.
We are a global economy. This is a good thing. It can be disruptive and painful at times. But we have a thriving middle class because of it. It doesn't take much to live like a rich person. Someone on minimum wage can save a little and invest and become fairly well off.
Take away the huge home and expensive foreign car and the person who works hard but perhaps doesn't hit the lottery can still live in a nice apt. or condo, perhaps buy a smaller home and grow equity, meanwhile enjoying a large flat screen HD tv, a Mac, an iPod or two, an iPad, and other consumer goods that are attributed to living well.
This is one of the only countries that this can be done.
Globalization is good. Capitalism is the most efficient form of economic system that creates wealth and prosperity on a broad scale.
America can't be recovered without at least another 50 years of work. Bush fucked you all real good and Obama just continues the trend. Not to mention that the people are locked into 1984 surveillance, manipulated by the media, and willing to stampede someone's grandmother over a TV that's 10% off during Black Friday.
In other words, they can vote for Obama, Palin, Paris Hilton -- it doesn't matter. You're fucked unless there's a complete overhaul and the vast majority of people lack the intellectual capacity to enact that anyway. If anyone does begin a coup it will be rednecks with guns and Bibles -- and teabags. Have fun.
instead of just saying something positive, you had to open up your potty mouth because santa didn't bring you a present for the holiday season. get a life!
Well, I have no idea what _your_ definition of Socialism is. Most folks don't define Socialism as serfdom and Capitalism as eating and breathing. A much more common definition is Socialism has the concept of common property used for the common good whereas Capitalism is based on private ownership of property used for private good. Look up these definitions on wikipedia for yourself.
And if you look at the example I gave, state land in Alaska was used to benefit every citizen of Alaska. That's Socialism.
Also, I'm not for or against Socialism or Capitalism. Democrats and Republicans tend to see the political spectrum like this:
Left --------------------------------------- Right
But I'm an independent, and I look at government like this:
Good -------------------------------------- Bad
If policy is good policy, I don't care where on the political spectrum a Democrat or Republican would assign it. Ditto with bad policy.
I like Palin's handling of oil drilling in Alaska because I consider it to be good policy, not because she is a Republican or that the policy was Socialist. Similarly, I dislike many of Obama's policies because I consider them to be bad policies, not because he is a Democrat or that his policies are what I would call "Reverse Socialism" (i.e. common property (tax dollars, the public health, American resources) used to benefit private entities (Goldman Sachs, GM, Insurance companies, energy companies).
But we have a thriving middle class because of it. It doesn't take much to live like a rich person. Someone on minimum wage can save a little and invest and become fairly well off.
A minimum wage earner can save, invest and become fairly well off? We're talking about 15K a year, certainly not enough to become fairly well off.
Well, if you think about it, SJ is rich not only because he can focus teams at Apple into creating great products, but also because of the massive wage difference between China and the US.
50 years ago, if SJ did something similar, the trickle-down effect within the US would be order's of magnitude greater, because he would have to actually manufacture the devices largely within the US [so he wouldn't be as wealthy, but a whole bunch more American's would have pretty good paying jobs].
Think of the pile being the same, just more spread out over more people.
I don't know why people throw a 'distant' date on this. Clinton made/voted in the NAFTA agreement. That wasn't so long ago. That's when distant cost effective production became possible.
Well, I have no idea what _your_ definition of Socialism is. Most folks don't define Socialism as serfdom and Capitalism as eating and breathing. A much more common definition is Socialism has the concept of common property used for the common good whereas Capitalism is based on private ownership of property used for private good. Look up these definitions on wikipedia for yourself.
And if you look at the example I gave, state land in Alaska was used to benefit every citizen of Alaska. That's Socialism.
Also, I'm not for or against Socialism or Capitalism. Democrats and Republicans tend to see the political spectrum like this:
Left --------------------------------------- Right
But I'm an independent, and I look at government like this:
Good -------------------------------------- Bad
If policy is good policy, I don't care where on the political spectrum a Democrat or Republican would assign it. Ditto with bad policy.
I like Palin's handling of oil drilling in Alaska because I consider it to be good policy, not because she is a Republican or that the policy was Socialist. Similarly, I dislike many of Obama's policies because I consider them to be bad policies, not because he is a Democrat or that his policies are what I would call "Reverse Socialism" (i.e. common property (tax dollars, the public health, American resources) used to benefit private entities (Goldman Sachs, GM, Insurance companies, energy companies).
I cringe when I read political statements that are written by 'un-imformed' people...
Comments
Maybe the unions forgot that they have priced American labor out of the market. The unions might not be too happy about the way they have destroyed U.S. competitiveness in manufacturing.
Oh, and by the way, China has labor unions too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Chi...f_Trade_Unions
Yeah except they have unions for reasons unions are actually needed for. Breaks, safety at work, that sort of thing. Here, it's starting to become unclear what the unions do, if anything, other than damage.
Maybe the unions forgot that they have priced American labor out of the market. The unions might not be too happy about the way they have destroyed U.S. competitiveness in manufacturing.
It is not realistic to suggest that American workers should lower their working conditions to those of 3rd world countries.
Oh, and by the way, China has labor unions too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Chi...f_Trade_Unions
There's a mistake there: China has a labor union, which has a monopoly. From the same article:
ACFTU has a monopoly on trade unionizing in China and creation of competing unions is illegal. As a tool of the government, ACFTU has been seen as not acting in the best interest of its members (workers), bowing to the government pressure on industry growth and not defending workers' rights.
Also:
The International Confederation of Free Trade Unions maintains the position that the ACFTU is not an independent trade union organisation, and states in its policy:
<snip>The ICFTU, noting that the ACFTU is not an independent trade union organisation and, therefore, cannot be regarded as an authentic voice of Chinese workers[...]
Ergo: the ACFTU is just another arm of the totalitarian Communist Party of China, and thus cannot be compared to free and independent Western labor unions.
\\Ergo: the ACFTU is just another arm of the totalitarian Communist Party of China, and thus cannot be compared to free and independent Western labor unions.
Some would argue that American labor unions aren't independent at all, just an unofficial arm of the Democratic party.
There is no use bitching about something that's systemic. Those jobs are gone, and won't be coming back unless the USA has a complete economic collapse. Is that what you really want? "
what do you mean by "unless"?
Have you not been following the news?
The US is over 14 trillion in debt, the Federal Reserve private bankers own the country.
With interest and lending rates, it is 100% impossible to ever repay this debt. Taxes will be paid to these private bankers forever.
Millions and millions of people are on the street and unemployed.
My god man - it's not 'unless' - the US is in the middle of a complete meltdown. Marshal law is only 6 - 10 months away. The empire has completely collapsed - the mainstream media just hasn't decided how to inform people yet... While they squeeze every last penny out of America and move their money off shore. (didn't you read about that little detail in the TARP package? The fed can never be audited and it can move money offshore with no oversite.) seriously, read it. It's what Ron Paul is fighting.
The question isn't if Apple will bring jobs back to America- but when Apple moves it's headquarters out of the US.
You should move on, because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. This is what happens when you take conservative propaganda as truth.
It's scary that you vote.
Oh my Oh my. I'll take "conservative propaganda" over the communist propaganda you wholeheartedly support. How about you move to North Korea, where they will embrace your leftist, and warped ideals.
I chuckle at each and every misguided soul who believes that an awful "income gap" exists in the US. Try going to some countries where you'll find a mansion with a Rolls Royce in the driveway 20 feet away from a shack.
Again, perspective
Some would argue that American labor unions aren't independent at all, just an unofficial arm of the Democratic party.
The obvious mutually beneficial connection between the Democratic party and the American labor unions is, of course, a fact. But is either one controlled by the other to great lengths? As such, American labor unions are just another advocacy group in a sea of many, and not all that powerful, unlike their European counterparts (and their political arms, the social democratic parties in many European countries).
Oh my Oh my. I'll take "conservative propaganda" over the communist propaganda you wholeheartedly support. How about you move to North Korea, where they will embrace your leftist, and warped ideals.
I chuckle at each and every misguided soul who believes that an awful "income gap" exists in the US. Try going to some countries where you'll find a mansion with a Rolls Royce in the driveway 20 feet away from a shack.
Again, perspective
Really, I can't stress how much I'm laughing at you right now.
Let's see here: You admit you'll take propaganda. You try to say I take communist propaganda based on no evidence whatsoever. You tell me I support communism. You think North Korea embraces the American left. You tell me I'm a misguided soul, then say there is no income gap. You then tell me to go to another country where blatant income gaps exist as PROOF that in this country, there is none.
I mean really, I'd call you retarded, but in my heart, I know that's a SEVERE insult to those who suffer from mental retardation. See, they didn't choose to be that way, but you did. There literally is no insult for someone like you. You are willfully ignorant.
what do you mean by "unless"?
Have you not been following the news?
The US is over 14 trillion in debt, the Federal Reserve private bankers own the country.
With interest and lending rates, it is 100% impossible to ever repay this debt. Taxes will be paid to these private bankers forever.
Millions and millions of people are on the street and unemployed.
My god man - it's not 'unless' - the US is in the middle of a complete meltdown. Marshal law is only 6 - 10 months away. The empire has completely collapsed - the mainstream media just hasn't decided how to inform people yet... While they squeeze every last penny out of America and move their money off shore. (didn't you read about that little detail in the TARP package? The fed can never be audited and it can move money offshore with no oversite.) seriously, read it. It's what Ron Paul is fighting.
The question isn't if Apple will bring jobs back to America- but when Apple moves it's headquarters out of the US.
I think your post, just thrown in from nowhere as it is, is a bit unbelievable. So...
★ The US is over 14 trillion in debt. It's actually just under 14 trillion, but close enough.
★ The empire has completely collapsed. Each word is a separate link.
I'll leave it to you to back up claims about the Fed moving money offshore, the Fed can't be audited, and martial law being 6-10 months away. I couldn't find anything backing up those statements.
I chuckle at each and every misguided soul who believes that an awful "income gap" exists in the US. Try going to some countries where you'll find a mansion with a Rolls Royce in the driveway 20 feet away from a shack.
Then maybe we should try to avoid ending up like them. Because that's what's happening before our very eyes.
And who said North Korea is something to look up to? You're just slaying your own strawmen there.
Then maybe we should try to avoid ending up like them. Because that's what's happening before our very eyes.
And who said North Korea is something to look up to? You're just slaying your own strawmen there.
He's a complete fool, and he's not alone. I'm sick of people like him, and when I meet people like him in person, they NEVER stick around for an argument based on facts.
Everything he said is clearly driven by propaganda. He threw in North Korea there and said they would embrace the left why? Oh because North Korea = bad, and the left = bad. That's how his brain works. North Korea. Left. Communism. Clearly a Glenn Beck fan.
Maybe Obama forgot that Apple products are assembled using outsourced manufacturing jobs. The unions might not be too happy about that.
What an absolutely moronic and disingenuous comment. I'd like you to name a single mainstream electronics manufacturer that does NOT have their products either produced, in whole or in part, overseas. And, if it is manufactured in the US, it will incorporate products sourced from overseas.
This is a global world, not a US-centric world. Get over it already.
Very true, and it includes Palin's support for the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere".
But Alaska's ability to pay down its state retirement plan and give money to it's citizens was the result of Palin doubling the tax on the oil companies drilling in Alaska, not the result of DC pork.
She took money from rich corporations and used it to fund the state's retirement plan and give money back to Alaska's citizens.
Like I said, Socialism done well.
You don't have a clue what socialism is. You've confused the concept of tariff and taxes with it. You clearly can't identify it in the wild, because taxing a company using state government resources to pay for government job wages or benefits is not socialism, that's classic capitalism. If it's true, it's also the same kind of good guidance that any successful business requires and a concept that is absolutely foreign to almost all of our elected officials. Can't be profitable unless you are paying the bills.
Socialism has never been done well, and it's never been done because it's a myth. It's called feudalism, you're just for it because you like the marketing and the air of moral superiority you think it bestows upon you. You pay whatever money to the king that he demands, and he provides whatever he sees fit. You might agree with the king's decision, but you're still a serf.
Reality: we're all capitalists. Everything that breathes and eats is a capitalist. It's a fact of nature, co-operation is a function of capitalism, instead of eating someone you work with them to eat something else. There is no co-operation without a transaction or trade. There is no alternative to capitalism with the forceful acquisition of others' wealth or rights. Get a better education.
Lots of moralizing from people here about what others should or need to do with their resources. That's called religion, it certainly isn't economics, nor is it viable economic theory. And the consequences of telling people what to do with their money, are very clearly demonstrated thru history.
AND as far as this Obama character goes... if Steve Jobs is such an inspiration, perhaps on his trip to Silicon Valley, he should have scheduled more than an hour to discuss 'economics' with Steve Jobs, rather than spending the rest of the day at a private Google fundraising event for his campaign. Whether or not he's a socialist is irrelevant, the more important lesson is that he's shallow and his words are hollow. Best to ignore whatever he says entirely, and certainly not worth any serious emotion or rational investment of time or energy.
OK now my good Yuletide deed is done, Happy Holidays y'all!
I'll leave it to you to back up claims about the Fed moving money offshore, the Fed can't be audited, and martial law being 6-10 months away. I couldn't find anything backing up those statements.
Millions of links out there about the bill to 'Audit the Fed'.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/21/fed...-bernanke.html
Moving money off-shore
http://www.redroom.com/blog/warren/%...serve%E2%80%9D
TARP Package Story
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=apx7XNLnZZlc
MOST IMPORTANTLY
Here is a story about how the Fed just pulled off the largest scam ever.
The Fed doled out $12.3 trillion in near-zero interest loans to friends, using the American people as collateral.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article24837.html
As far as martial law coming soon - your government has been preparing for a while now.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._United_States
http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/
Desperation is going to set in as Millions of Americans run out of benefits and no job prospects. The WikiLeaks concerning the banking cartel are going to throw people into pure rage.
Why do you think the US government is declaring war against an Australian Citizen? Building mass detention centers in every state?
Meanwhile, your president is worshiping Steve Jobs for being a billionaire, sitting in Hawaii drinking Mai Tai's - while millions are homeless and hungry.
Have a wonderful Christmas - it might be the last one you have as a sovereign citizen.
We are a global economy. This is a good thing. It can be disruptive and painful at times. But we have a thriving middle class because of it. It doesn't take much to live like a rich person. Someone on minimum wage can save a little and invest and become fairly well off.
Take away the huge home and expensive foreign car and the person who works hard but perhaps doesn't hit the lottery can still live in a nice apt. or condo, perhaps buy a smaller home and grow equity, meanwhile enjoying a large flat screen HD tv, a Mac, an iPod or two, an iPad, and other consumer goods that are attributed to living well.
This is one of the only countries that this can be done.
Globalization is good. Capitalism is the most efficient form of economic system that creates wealth and prosperity on a broad scale.
These are America's competitive advantages.
Would you mind explaining that?
And also what gives you or anybody else the right to impose such a limit on a private citizen?
i would explain this as:
Steve Jobs probably does hundreds of percent more work than most other CEO's.
Steve Jobs made Apple what it is today.
Steve Jobs has helped build, or even completely build, many of Apples new products.
I Don't mean to say to impose the limit, but no standard CEO should ever have something like this amount of money..... a YEAR.
America can't be recovered without at least another 50 years of work. Bush fucked you all real good and Obama just continues the trend. Not to mention that the people are locked into 1984 surveillance, manipulated by the media, and willing to stampede someone's grandmother over a TV that's 10% off during Black Friday.
In other words, they can vote for Obama, Palin, Paris Hilton -- it doesn't matter. You're fucked unless there's a complete overhaul and the vast majority of people lack the intellectual capacity to enact that anyway. If anyone does begin a coup it will be rednecks with guns and Bibles -- and teabags. Have fun.
instead of just saying something positive, you had to open up your potty mouth because santa didn't bring you a present for the holiday season. get a life!
You don't have a clue what socialism is.
Well, I have no idea what _your_ definition of Socialism is. Most folks don't define Socialism as serfdom and Capitalism as eating and breathing. A much more common definition is Socialism has the concept of common property used for the common good whereas Capitalism is based on private ownership of property used for private good. Look up these definitions on wikipedia for yourself.
And if you look at the example I gave, state land in Alaska was used to benefit every citizen of Alaska. That's Socialism.
Also, I'm not for or against Socialism or Capitalism. Democrats and Republicans tend to see the political spectrum like this:
Left --------------------------------------- Right
But I'm an independent, and I look at government like this:
Good -------------------------------------- Bad
If policy is good policy, I don't care where on the political spectrum a Democrat or Republican would assign it. Ditto with bad policy.
I like Palin's handling of oil drilling in Alaska because I consider it to be good policy, not because she is a Republican or that the policy was Socialist. Similarly, I dislike many of Obama's policies because I consider them to be bad policies, not because he is a Democrat or that his policies are what I would call "Reverse Socialism" (i.e. common property (tax dollars, the public health, American resources) used to benefit private entities (Goldman Sachs, GM, Insurance companies, energy companies).
But we have a thriving middle class because of it. It doesn't take much to live like a rich person. Someone on minimum wage can save a little and invest and become fairly well off.
A minimum wage earner can save, invest and become fairly well off? We're talking about 15K a year, certainly not enough to become fairly well off.
Well, if you think about it, SJ is rich not only because he can focus teams at Apple into creating great products, but also because of the massive wage difference between China and the US.
50 years ago, if SJ did something similar, the trickle-down effect within the US would be order's of magnitude greater, because he would have to actually manufacture the devices largely within the US [so he wouldn't be as wealthy, but a whole bunch more American's would have pretty good paying jobs].
Think of the pile being the same, just more spread out over more people.
I don't know why people throw a 'distant' date on this. Clinton made/voted in the NAFTA agreement. That wasn't so long ago. That's when distant cost effective production became possible.
Well, I have no idea what _your_ definition of Socialism is. Most folks don't define Socialism as serfdom and Capitalism as eating and breathing. A much more common definition is Socialism has the concept of common property used for the common good whereas Capitalism is based on private ownership of property used for private good. Look up these definitions on wikipedia for yourself.
And if you look at the example I gave, state land in Alaska was used to benefit every citizen of Alaska. That's Socialism.
Also, I'm not for or against Socialism or Capitalism. Democrats and Republicans tend to see the political spectrum like this:
Left --------------------------------------- Right
But I'm an independent, and I look at government like this:
Good -------------------------------------- Bad
If policy is good policy, I don't care where on the political spectrum a Democrat or Republican would assign it. Ditto with bad policy.
I like Palin's handling of oil drilling in Alaska because I consider it to be good policy, not because she is a Republican or that the policy was Socialist. Similarly, I dislike many of Obama's policies because I consider them to be bad policies, not because he is a Democrat or that his policies are what I would call "Reverse Socialism" (i.e. common property (tax dollars, the public health, American resources) used to benefit private entities (Goldman Sachs, GM, Insurance companies, energy companies).
I cringe when I read political statements that are written by 'un-imformed' people...