With WiFi tethering on most smartphones on most networks, I see the WiFi model becoming the more popular choice for most people. Consumers are not going to want 3, 4, 5 different data plans for different devices.
On the other side, with the iPad 3G being carrier unlocked, a person could get data plan if they are travelling in other country for the day or week if WiFi is sporadic.
Using smartphone data sharing in another country ...cant imagine the roaming bill for that...
iPad: 3 is logical: 1 WiFi-only, one GSM, one CDMA
The third iPhone may be an (experimental) LTE model. Or it may stand for an WiFi-only iPhone (i.e. iPod) which only uses FaceTime and VoIP to make calls).
We were discussing in another thread the likelihood of using the Gobi chip to create a "world-mode" iPad. If this were true, there would be only 2 iPad models: WiFi and 3g. These new model numbers suggest that this won't happen and that there will be separate WiFi, GSM and CDMA models.
Find my Friends will be great (and the iPhone already has something very similar, in that Maps will send your location via MMS). Perfect for finding each other at a large event/venue. The rest of the time?turn it off. Simple!
Anyone who is doesn?t want people to know where they are (which is most of us, most of the time!) simply won?t turn it on. If that?s not good enough for you, then you should be paranoid about wristwatch, belt buckle, and shoes Maybe they are tracking you....
Best of all, Find my Friends has a GREAT feature for if you don?t HAVE any friends: just click the [+] button to create one.
For the moment, a feature that can be turned on and off seems fine and useful under certain circumstances.
But here's my concern: just as social networking has exploded to the point that failing to have a Facebook presence is to be practically nonexistent (in an ever growing number of circles), I wonder if choosing to not have your whereabout constantly broadcast will come to seem antisocial and possibly suspect?
It seems unlikely at the moment, but just look to what has happened to notions of privacy in the last ten years. What once seemed like exhibitionism is now normal-- in fact it's the folks with an old fashioned sense of privacy that increasingly seem isolated and different.
When you grow up with a technology you have very different notions of how that interacts with your sense of what constitutes "normal" than folks who have that technology visited upon them later in life. Kids now entering high school will have never know a social life without geotracking as being at least a possibility, and they may quickly come to see it as a necessity. Which, from my perspective, will suck.
On the other side, with the iPad 3G being carrier unlocked, a person could get data plan if they are travelling in other country for the day or week if WiFi is sporadic.
Using smartphone data sharing in another country ...cant imagine the roaming bill for that...
That would be why my iPhones are unlocked Also, that would not be an advantage for a CDMA iPad since even if there is no carrier locking, you still need the carriers to do the activation (no sim cards).
For the moment, a feature that can be turned on and off seems fine and useful under certain circumstances.
But here's my concern: just as social networking has exploded to the point that failing to have a Facebook presence is to be practically nonexistent (in an ever growing number of circles), I wonder if choosing to not have your whereabout constantly broadcast will come to seem antisocial and possibly suspect?
It seems unlikely at the moment, but just look to what has happened to notions of privacy in the last ten years. What once seemed like exhibitionism is now normal-- in fact it's the folks with an old fashioned sense of privacy that increasingly seem isolated and different.
When you grow up with a technology you have very different notions of how that interacts with your sense of what constitutes "normal" than folks who have that technology visited upon them later in life. Kids now entering high school will have never know a social life without geotracking as being at least a possibility, and they may quickly come to see it as a necessity. Which, from my perspective, will suck.
Yes, I already think that my neighbors who don't post fetish videos online must be weird freaks. Soon I will be super worried about the people who wont let me track them 24/7. No porn and no 24/7 tracking? They must be up to something subversive!
Remember a time before cell phones and how you made plans to meet a friend at a particular location and time and somehow you were able to do without relying on ten phone calls (where are you?, you said to call you when I got to main street now you are not answering your phone, OMG).
Yea, I'd been in touch with a guy last year and we wanted to meet up. He said, talking about a street party the following day, "I'd love to meet up with you but I can't because you don't have a mobile phone".
He's not wrong - I don't have a mobile phone.
So I said "How about this - we meet at the AIDS memorial at 1:30pm"?
Next day at 1:30pm, we met there. I said "Now that wasn't difficult was it? It's how it was done for centuries before mobile phones existed". Someone else said, who was visiting by train from London "This is going to be a bit tricky as you don't have a mobile phone". I asked "What time does your train arrive?" When he told me I said that I'd meet him at the station at that time. I also explained that, as I didn't own a mobile phone, I didn't require a stream of calls/texts of the type "I've just arrived at London Victoria", "I'm just on the train". "We're at Gatwick Airport, should be about 30 minutes". "Nearly there". "We're just pulling into the station, see you in a few minutes". When his train arrived I was there to meet him.
I hear this kind of 'conversation' many times on the average train journey to and from London, and is something I find extraordinary.
It seems unlikely at the moment, but just look to what has happened to notions of privacy in the last ten years. What once seemed like exhibitionism is now normal-- in fact it's the folks with an old fashioned sense of privacy that increasingly seem isolated and different.
Spot on - I feel like that really, as you can see from my post above!
Mobile phones have turned what would have once been a discreet private conversation almost into a radio broadcast to an entire train carriage full of passengers. They have virtually dissolved the notion of private and public personal spaces. People frequently express intimate details of their personal lives to anyone within earshot whether the recipient wants it or not. I once told a 15 year old who sat down behind me if she minded keeping her voice down or leaving the conversation (which involved her heaping foul mouthed abuse and denigration onto a person who I assumed was her partner) until she was off the train. She replied, "Mind your own F***g business!" As I sat down I could hear her friends saying "What right does he think he's got talking to you like that"
Yea, I'd been in touch with a guy last year and we wanted to meet up. He said, talking about a street party the following day, "I'd love to meet up with you but I can't because you don't have a mobile phone".
He's not wrong - I don't have a mobile phone.
So I said "How about this - we meet at the AIDS memorial at 1:30pm"?
Next day at 1:30pm, we met there. I said "Now that wasn't difficult was it? It's how it was done for centuries before mobile phones existed". Someone else said, who was visiting by train from London "This is going to be a bit tricky as you don't have a mobile phone". I asked "What time does your train arrive?" When he told me I said that I'd meet him at the station at that time. I also explained that, as I didn't own a mobile phone, I didn't require a stream of calls/texts of the type "I've just arrived at London Victoria", "I'm just on the train". "We're at Gatwick Airport, should be about 30 minutes". "Nearly there". "We're just pulling into the station, see you in a few minutes". When his train arrived I was there to meet him.
I hear this kind of 'conversation' many times on the average train journey to and from London, and is something I find extraordinary.
Thanks for the great comment!
Man, here I thought I was the only one who has a life like you describe above! I was on a train a couple of years ago (Amtrak Chicago to Sacramento) and some chicadee nearby was on the phone constantly telling various friends/relatives/acquaintances/colleagues where she was(we just pulled out of Chicago, oh, I just missed Cicero, we're coming up on Lisle, we're almost to Naperville, we just passed Aurora (these are within 1/2 hour out of Chicago!) For two whole days! except for those wonderful dead areas in CO, UT & NV. I so wanted to go tell her to shut up and either enjoy the wonderful view or go read a book. Rather I ended up finding a different seat a few cars away.
Man, here I thought I was the only one who has a life like you describe above! I was on a train a couple of years ago (Amtrak Chicago to Sacramento) and some chicadee nearby was on the phone constantly telling various friends/relatives/acquaintances/colleagues where she was(we just pulled out of Chicago, oh, I just missed Cicero, we're coming up on Lisle, we're almost to Naperville, we just passed Aurora (these are within 1/2 hour out of Chicago!) For two whole days! except for those wonderful dead areas in CO, UT & NV. I so wanted to go tell her to shut up and either enjoy the wonderful view or go read a book. Rather I ended up finding a different seat a few cars away.
Edit: Or maybe I'm wrong, based on this article at Ars. Perhaps the Verizon iPhone is iPhone3,2 and there's still an iPhone3,3 that hasn't been released (and may never be).
ipredict that iPhone 3,3 will be a carrier-agnostic version that can be used on both CDMA & GSM networks.
This will be the beginning of Apple wresting control away from cellular carriers and making itself the middle-man between cell phone customers and carriers. Two supporting facts: AT&T's exclusivity has obviously ended, and the new Verizon deal is non-exclusive.
Apple may eventually make all of its future iPhones carrier-agnostic, leaving them with only one version of iPhone to support and alleviating the slight fragmentation that carrier-specific iPhone versions has caused. This will make developers happy, give customers more freedom, and make carriers very uneasy.
Apple wants to be the "face" of the iPhone, not leave that up to the carriers. And soon that strategy will be in full effect.
Now it's a question of when. I'd guess they'll announce the GSM-CDMA iPhone at the next expected iPhone announcement in the summer of 2011. That'll give the CDMA-only phone some time to gain traction, and won't piss off Verizon immediately after inking their deal. But early Verizon iPhone adopters will be grumbling that their phones have lost much of their resale value just a few months in.
Does anyone think I'm completely off the mark? Or anything to add? I'm not an industry insider or anything, just putting the pieces of the puzzle together.
... oh, I just missed Cicero, we're coming up on Lisle, we're almost to Naperville, we just passed Aurora (these are within 1/2 hour out of Chicago!) For two whole days!
I feel for you. You must have the patience of a saint ...
Yea, I'd been in touch with a guy last year and we wanted to meet up. He said, talking about a street party the following day, "I'd love to meet up with you but I can't because you don't have a mobile phone".
He's not wrong - I don't have a mobile phone.
So I said "How about this - we meet at the AIDS memorial at 1:30pm"?
Next day at 1:30pm, we met there. I said "Now that wasn't difficult was it? It's how it was done for centuries before mobile phones existed". Someone else said, who was visiting by train from London "This is going to be a bit tricky as you don't have a mobile phone". I asked "What time does your train arrive?" When he told me I said that I'd meet him at the station at that time. I also explained that, as I didn't own a mobile phone, I didn't require a stream of calls/texts of the type "I've just arrived at London Victoria", "I'm just on the train". "We're at Gatwick Airport, should be about 30 minutes". "Nearly there". "We're just pulling into the station, see you in a few minutes". When his train arrived I was there to meet him.
I hear this kind of 'conversation' many times on the average train journey to and from London, and is something I find extraordinary.
until something comes up, there is an issue or one of you is too stupid to find each other. Sure, you can manage without a smartphone, but why? Semantics are fine and dandy, but I'll take reliability over ego any day.
I wouldn't worry too much about it folks if Apple's version is anything like Android's implementation of Latitude. I can be sitting on the couch with my wife and checking Latitude just playing around and it shows her 5 miles away on the interstate. The best one was when it showed her on South Broadway here in Wichita (a known hangout for druggies and hookers) and I tell her "I see you're working the corner on Broadway, trying to make a little extra dough for my birthday?"
I've had an Android phone for almost a year, I'm not a fan. I'm sooo happy Verizon now has the iPhone!
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With WiFi tethering on most smartphones on most networks, I see the WiFi model becoming the more popular choice for most people. Consumers are not going to want 3, 4, 5 different data plans for different devices.
On the other side, with the iPad 3G being carrier unlocked, a person could get data plan if they are travelling in other country for the day or week if WiFi is sporadic.
Using smartphone data sharing in another country ...cant imagine the roaming bill for that...
iPhone: 2 is logical: 1 GSM, 1 CDMA
iPad: 3 is logical: 1 WiFi-only, one GSM, one CDMA
The third iPhone may be an (experimental) LTE model. Or it may stand for an WiFi-only iPhone (i.e. iPod) which only uses FaceTime and VoIP to make calls).
We were discussing in another thread the likelihood of using the Gobi chip to create a "world-mode" iPad. If this were true, there would be only 2 iPad models: WiFi and 3g. These new model numbers suggest that this won't happen and that there will be separate WiFi, GSM and CDMA models.
Anyone who is doesn?t want people to know where they are (which is most of us, most of the time!) simply won?t turn it on. If that?s not good enough for you, then you should be paranoid about wristwatch, belt buckle, and shoes
Best of all, Find my Friends has a GREAT feature for if you don?t HAVE any friends: just click the [+] button to create one.
But here's my concern: just as social networking has exploded to the point that failing to have a Facebook presence is to be practically nonexistent (in an ever growing number of circles), I wonder if choosing to not have your whereabout constantly broadcast will come to seem antisocial and possibly suspect?
It seems unlikely at the moment, but just look to what has happened to notions of privacy in the last ten years. What once seemed like exhibitionism is now normal-- in fact it's the folks with an old fashioned sense of privacy that increasingly seem isolated and different.
When you grow up with a technology you have very different notions of how that interacts with your sense of what constitutes "normal" than folks who have that technology visited upon them later in life. Kids now entering high school will have never know a social life without geotracking as being at least a possibility, and they may quickly come to see it as a necessity. Which, from my perspective, will suck.
On the other side, with the iPad 3G being carrier unlocked, a person could get data plan if they are travelling in other country for the day or week if WiFi is sporadic.
Using smartphone data sharing in another country ...cant imagine the roaming bill for that...
That would be why my iPhones are unlocked
For the moment, a feature that can be turned on and off seems fine and useful under certain circumstances.
But here's my concern: just as social networking has exploded to the point that failing to have a Facebook presence is to be practically nonexistent (in an ever growing number of circles), I wonder if choosing to not have your whereabout constantly broadcast will come to seem antisocial and possibly suspect?
It seems unlikely at the moment, but just look to what has happened to notions of privacy in the last ten years. What once seemed like exhibitionism is now normal-- in fact it's the folks with an old fashioned sense of privacy that increasingly seem isolated and different.
When you grow up with a technology you have very different notions of how that interacts with your sense of what constitutes "normal" than folks who have that technology visited upon them later in life. Kids now entering high school will have never know a social life without geotracking as being at least a possibility, and they may quickly come to see it as a necessity. Which, from my perspective, will suck.
Yes, I already think that my neighbors who don't post fetish videos online must be weird freaks. Soon I will be super worried about the people who wont let me track them 24/7. No porn and no 24/7 tracking? They must be up to something subversive!
Remember a time before cell phones and how you made plans to meet a friend at a particular location and time and somehow you were able to do without relying on ten phone calls (where are you?, you said to call you when I got to main street now you are not answering your phone, OMG).
Yea, I'd been in touch with a guy last year and we wanted to meet up. He said, talking about a street party the following day, "I'd love to meet up with you but I can't because you don't have a mobile phone".
He's not wrong - I don't have a mobile phone.
So I said "How about this - we meet at the AIDS memorial at 1:30pm"?
Next day at 1:30pm, we met there. I said "Now that wasn't difficult was it? It's how it was done for centuries before mobile phones existed". Someone else said, who was visiting by train from London "This is going to be a bit tricky as you don't have a mobile phone". I asked "What time does your train arrive?" When he told me I said that I'd meet him at the station at that time. I also explained that, as I didn't own a mobile phone, I didn't require a stream of calls/texts of the type "I've just arrived at London Victoria", "I'm just on the train". "We're at Gatwick Airport, should be about 30 minutes". "Nearly there". "We're just pulling into the station, see you in a few minutes". When his train arrived I was there to meet him.
I hear this kind of 'conversation' many times on the average train journey to and from London, and is something I find extraordinary.
She appreciates a hot cup of teat...
I also occasionally appreciate a hot teat but not in a cup if you please.
It seems unlikely at the moment, but just look to what has happened to notions of privacy in the last ten years. What once seemed like exhibitionism is now normal-- in fact it's the folks with an old fashioned sense of privacy that increasingly seem isolated and different.
Spot on - I feel like that really, as you can see from my post above!
Mobile phones have turned what would have once been a discreet private conversation almost into a radio broadcast to an entire train carriage full of passengers. They have virtually dissolved the notion of private and public personal spaces. People frequently express intimate details of their personal lives to anyone within earshot whether the recipient wants it or not. I once told a 15 year old who sat down behind me if she minded keeping her voice down or leaving the conversation (which involved her heaping foul mouthed abuse and denigration onto a person who I assumed was her partner) until she was off the train. She replied, "Mind your own F***g business!" As I sat down I could hear her friends saying "What right does he think he's got talking to you like that"
Yea, I'd been in touch with a guy last year and we wanted to meet up. He said, talking about a street party the following day, "I'd love to meet up with you but I can't because you don't have a mobile phone".
He's not wrong - I don't have a mobile phone.
So I said "How about this - we meet at the AIDS memorial at 1:30pm"?
Next day at 1:30pm, we met there. I said "Now that wasn't difficult was it? It's how it was done for centuries before mobile phones existed". Someone else said, who was visiting by train from London "This is going to be a bit tricky as you don't have a mobile phone". I asked "What time does your train arrive?" When he told me I said that I'd meet him at the station at that time. I also explained that, as I didn't own a mobile phone, I didn't require a stream of calls/texts of the type "I've just arrived at London Victoria", "I'm just on the train". "We're at Gatwick Airport, should be about 30 minutes". "Nearly there". "We're just pulling into the station, see you in a few minutes". When his train arrived I was there to meet him.
I hear this kind of 'conversation' many times on the average train journey to and from London, and is something I find extraordinary.
Thanks for the great comment!
Man, here I thought I was the only one who has a life like you describe above! I was on a train a couple of years ago (Amtrak Chicago to Sacramento) and some chicadee nearby was on the phone constantly telling various friends/relatives/acquaintances/colleagues where she was(we just pulled out of Chicago, oh, I just missed Cicero, we're coming up on Lisle, we're almost to Naperville, we just passed Aurora (these are within 1/2 hour out of Chicago!) For two whole days! except for those wonderful dead areas in CO, UT & NV. I so wanted to go tell her to shut up and either enjoy the wonderful view or go read a book. Rather I ended up finding a different seat a few cars away.
Apple must be smoking that medical marijuana if it thinks I'm going to pay $99/yr for services Google gives me for free.
You mean turning every aspect of your life into a targeted sales opportunity? Yeah, Google is extremely generous that way.
Thanks for the great comment!
Man, here I thought I was the only one who has a life like you describe above! I was on a train a couple of years ago (Amtrak Chicago to Sacramento) and some chicadee nearby was on the phone constantly telling various friends/relatives/acquaintances/colleagues where she was(we just pulled out of Chicago, oh, I just missed Cicero, we're coming up on Lisle, we're almost to Naperville, we just passed Aurora (these are within 1/2 hour out of Chicago!) For two whole days! except for those wonderful dead areas in CO, UT & NV. I so wanted to go tell her to shut up and either enjoy the wonderful view or go read a book. Rather I ended up finding a different seat a few cars away.
Edit: Or maybe I'm wrong, based on this article at Ars. Perhaps the Verizon iPhone is iPhone3,2 and there's still an iPhone3,3 that hasn't been released (and may never be).
ipredict that iPhone 3,3 will be a carrier-agnostic version that can be used on both CDMA & GSM networks.
This will be the beginning of Apple wresting control away from cellular carriers and making itself the middle-man between cell phone customers and carriers. Two supporting facts: AT&T's exclusivity has obviously ended, and the new Verizon deal is non-exclusive.
Apple may eventually make all of its future iPhones carrier-agnostic, leaving them with only one version of iPhone to support and alleviating the slight fragmentation that carrier-specific iPhone versions has caused. This will make developers happy, give customers more freedom, and make carriers very uneasy.
Apple wants to be the "face" of the iPhone, not leave that up to the carriers. And soon that strategy will be in full effect.
Now it's a question of when. I'd guess they'll announce the GSM-CDMA iPhone at the next expected iPhone announcement in the summer of 2011. That'll give the CDMA-only phone some time to gain traction, and won't piss off Verizon immediately after inking their deal. But early Verizon iPhone adopters will be grumbling that their phones have lost much of their resale value just a few months in.
Does anyone think I'm completely off the mark? Or anything to add? I'm not an industry insider or anything, just putting the pieces of the puzzle together.
... oh, I just missed Cicero, we're coming up on Lisle, we're almost to Naperville, we just passed Aurora (these are within 1/2 hour out of Chicago!) For two whole days!
I feel for you. You must have the patience of a saint ...
Yea, I'd been in touch with a guy last year and we wanted to meet up. He said, talking about a street party the following day, "I'd love to meet up with you but I can't because you don't have a mobile phone".
He's not wrong - I don't have a mobile phone.
So I said "How about this - we meet at the AIDS memorial at 1:30pm"?
Next day at 1:30pm, we met there. I said "Now that wasn't difficult was it? It's how it was done for centuries before mobile phones existed". Someone else said, who was visiting by train from London "This is going to be a bit tricky as you don't have a mobile phone". I asked "What time does your train arrive?" When he told me I said that I'd meet him at the station at that time. I also explained that, as I didn't own a mobile phone, I didn't require a stream of calls/texts of the type "I've just arrived at London Victoria", "I'm just on the train". "We're at Gatwick Airport, should be about 30 minutes". "Nearly there". "We're just pulling into the station, see you in a few minutes". When his train arrived I was there to meet him.
I hear this kind of 'conversation' many times on the average train journey to and from London, and is something I find extraordinary.
until something comes up, there is an issue or one of you is too stupid to find each other. Sure, you can manage without a smartphone, but why? Semantics are fine and dandy, but I'll take reliability over ego any day.
I've had an Android phone for almost a year, I'm not a fan. I'm sooo happy Verizon now has the iPhone!
Google already offers a similar feature called Google Latitude with two notable differences:
(1) Latitude is in real-time.
(2) Latitude is free.
You're kidding yourself if you think people are going to continue to pay $99 for your cloud services when Google offers them for free.
Get with the program or else watch Android OS market share continue to grow at the expense of your own.
Sincerely,
The World
Dear Apple,
Google already offers a similar feature called Google Latitude with two notable differences:
(1) Latitude is in real-time.
(2) Latitude is free.
You're kidding yourself if you think people are going to continue to pay $99 for your cloud services when Google offers them for free.
Get with the program or else watch Android OS market share continue to grow at the expense of your own.
Sincerely,
The World
QFT. That one might be worth thinking about in a couple months time.