I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.
There are AppleInsider members who have posted in this thread that will celebrate Jobs's death and would gladly piss on his grave if they knew the location. Yes. there are those kinds of people in this world and some of them infest this site on a regular basis.
if most of apple's shareholders hold this view, i do think they have the very right to dump apple's stock, and they should do this or they should have not gotten into apple's bandwagon to push the stock this high.
No, that's not how it works. Shareholders are entitled to information which can materially effect their investments. How much of a CEO's medical situation is covered by this right to know is a matter of debate, but to say that public companies have a right to create information black holes is just not correct. One of the reasons these rumors get started is because of the lack of information provided by Apple. They create mysteries and someone is going to try to solve it.
While there is an obligation for the Board to provide information that materially affects the value of a company's stock, there are also regulations that protect the privacy of individuals.
In 2009 many shareholders tried to press the issue with the SEC, but to the best of my knowledge no action came of it.
So until someone is able to successfully sue Apple for concealing this information, it appears that doing so does not violate any existing regulation.
True, as far as it goes -- but Apple's lack of communications on this issue only feeds the rumor beast. They'd do better to be less opaque.
Would he have been given the liver if it was still present in 2010?
Sounds to me like he might have had the tumour area irradiated previous to having the surgery to ensure it wouldn't spread which is a smart thing to do if that's the case and would make it even *less* likely that he is suffering a significant relapse of the cancer.
Of course most people will read this as "He's dying" and "OMFG! more secrets!"
Thats a very serious statement. Jobs should just leave Apple quit the Buddhism give his heart to Yeshua HaMaschiach and enjoy his family, and reflect on all his great work at Apple & pixar. Cause it sounds like his hour has come
How about He & Apple live up to there comments and generously lower the price on the core2duo products.
In essence, you want him to believe in a Fantasy and give you a discount. Find another hobby.
... Jobs should just leave Apple quit the Buddhism give his heart to Yeshua HaMaschiach ...
Right. Because when you are sick, then is the time to quit doing anything constructive (Buhdism, Yoga, his excellent diet, etc.) and dive into fantasy mysticism in the hope for a cure.
If I remember correctly you're also the one that suggested last time he was sick, that all he needed was a good steak or hamburger (which would have pretty much killed him at the time if he decided to take your advice).
There are AppleInsider members who have posted in this thread that will celebrate Jobs's death and would gladly piss on his grave if they knew the location. Yes. there are those kinds of people in this world and some of them infest this site on a regular basis.
And on the other end of the spectrum there are AppleInsider members that think of him as the Kwisatz Haderach.
Apple shareholders have a right to hold or sell their stock based on what information they have. They don't have a right to "more information" than is required by law. Are you suggesting that every CEO in America ought to be required by law to release a medical status update each day to let us know about the mole they had removed or that they had an unpleasant bowel movement (or not)?
Maybe they should all be required by law to post on Twitter endless personal minutia.
Not true. Under HIPAA, a person's health information is strictly private. An employer can't be forced to reveal sensitive health information. Telling Apple's Board of Director of his intended absence would be enough.
Further, under the Family Medical Leave Act Jobs also would be entitled to time off.
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As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us. He remains CEO of Apple. Shareholders have a right to know more information. It's material. If Steve resigned, then his health and what he does as private citizen is entirely his matter, and of no consequence. Apple's board is failing to represent Apple shareholders.
Not true. Under HIPAA, a person's health information is strictly private. An employer can't be forced to reveal sensitive health information. Telling Apple's Board of Director of his intended absence would be enough.
Further, under the Family Medical Leave Act Jobs also would be entitled to time off.
As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders.
Absolutely true.
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... He works for us.
100% false.
Availing yourself of the opportunity to invest in a company does not equate to you "owning" or "running" that company. In fact no company could even operate if the shareholders were actually "in charge" in any realistic sense.
You have no control, nor should you have. You're only decision is whether you want to keep supporting Apple or not. If the answer is no, then invest elsewhere.
I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.
I agree but with todays media it't next to impossible to keep anything private. Also with the market perception is reality. If the market or anyone else for that matter decides they are going to focus on the health of Steve Jobs rather then earnings the stock is going to continue to drop.
Any good or bad news about SJ could cause a knee jerk reaction. Also like several others here have stated I am not so sure Cook breeds confidence that Apple can do just fine if something bad were to happen to Jobs.
Not true. Under HIPAA, a person's health information is strictly private. An employer can't be forced to reveal sensitive health information. Telling Apple's Board of Director of his intended absence would be enough.
Thank you. I was about to post about HIPAA myself. I'm sick of hearing the words "shareholders" and "entitled" being thrown around in the same sentence. Steve has the right to privacy, nor does he need to share his health information with the public. Leave him be.
Besides, there are plenty of capable people at Apple, and they will continue to ensure Apple's success during Steve's absence.
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I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.
There are AppleInsider members who have posted in this thread that will celebrate Jobs's death and would gladly piss on his grave if they knew the location. Yes. there are those kinds of people in this world and some of them infest this site on a regular basis.
if most of apple's shareholders hold this view, i do think they have the very right to dump apple's stock, and they should do this or they should have not gotten into apple's bandwagon to push the stock this high.
No, that's not how it works. Shareholders are entitled to information which can materially effect their investments. How much of a CEO's medical situation is covered by this right to know is a matter of debate, but to say that public companies have a right to create information black holes is just not correct. One of the reasons these rumors get started is because of the lack of information provided by Apple. They create mysteries and someone is going to try to solve it.
Cause it sounds like his hour has come.
Did you just get out of prison? I had hoped you were dead since we hadn't heard from you for six months or so.
While there is an obligation for the Board to provide information that materially affects the value of a company's stock, there are also regulations that protect the privacy of individuals.
In 2009 many shareholders tried to press the issue with the SEC, but to the best of my knowledge no action came of it.
So until someone is able to successfully sue Apple for concealing this information, it appears that doing so does not violate any existing regulation.
True, as far as it goes -- but Apple's lack of communications on this issue only feeds the rumor beast. They'd do better to be less opaque.
So much for Steve's wish to have his privacy respected....
Where is that "trustworthy contributor" from? Israel?
Okay, so cancer treatment in aught nine.
Would he have been given the liver if it was still present in 2010?
Sounds to me like he might have had the tumour area irradiated previous to having the surgery to ensure it wouldn't spread which is a smart thing to do if that's the case and would make it even *less* likely that he is suffering a significant relapse of the cancer.
Of course most people will read this as "He's dying" and "OMFG! more secrets!"
(because Apple is evil of course)
he should be put in a memorial in washington DC for future generations after his eventuality.
Smithsonian? Well at least his brain or his liver.
Thats a very serious statement. Jobs should just leave Apple quit the Buddhism give his heart to Yeshua HaMaschiach and enjoy his family, and reflect on all his great work at Apple & pixar. Cause it sounds like his hour has come
How about He & Apple live up to there comments and generously lower the price on the core2duo products.
In essence, you want him to believe in a Fantasy and give you a discount. Find another hobby.
I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.
Agreed.
... Jobs should just leave Apple quit the Buddhism give his heart to Yeshua HaMaschiach ...
Right. Because when you are sick, then is the time to quit doing anything constructive (Buhdism, Yoga, his excellent diet, etc.) and dive into fantasy mysticism in the hope for a cure.
If I remember correctly you're also the one that suggested last time he was sick, that all he needed was a good steak or hamburger (which would have pretty much killed him at the time if he decided to take your advice).
There are AppleInsider members who have posted in this thread that will celebrate Jobs's death and would gladly piss on his grave if they knew the location. Yes. there are those kinds of people in this world and some of them infest this site on a regular basis.
And on the other end of the spectrum there are AppleInsider members that think of him as the Kwisatz Haderach.
Apple shareholders have a right to hold or sell their stock based on what information they have. They don't have a right to "more information" than is required by law. Are you suggesting that every CEO in America ought to be required by law to release a medical status update each day to let us know about the mole they had removed or that they had an unpleasant bowel movement (or not)?
Maybe they should all be required by law to post on Twitter endless personal minutia.
Further, under the Family Medical Leave Act Jobs also would be entitled to time off.
As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us. He remains CEO of Apple. Shareholders have a right to know more information. It's material. If Steve resigned, then his health and what he does as private citizen is entirely his matter, and of no consequence. Apple's board is failing to represent Apple shareholders.
Not true. Under HIPAA, a person's health information is strictly private. An employer can't be forced to reveal sensitive health information. Telling Apple's Board of Director of his intended absence would be enough.
Further, under the Family Medical Leave Act Jobs also would be entitled to time off.
This indeed. Some of us work in health care.
The world, and especially the tech world, would be a much less interesting place without Steve kicking around.
even though i don't like some of his business dealings/attitudes...i agree. i truly hope he isn't fading away.
As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders.
Absolutely true.
... He works for us.
100% false.
Availing yourself of the opportunity to invest in a company does not equate to you "owning" or "running" that company. In fact no company could even operate if the shareholders were actually "in charge" in any realistic sense.
You have no control, nor should you have. You're only decision is whether you want to keep supporting Apple or not. If the answer is no, then invest elsewhere.
I understand that Steve is the figurehead for Apple, but this constant prying into his personal affairs is borderline creepy to me.
I agree but with todays media it't next to impossible to keep anything private. Also with the market perception is reality. If the market or anyone else for that matter decides they are going to focus on the health of Steve Jobs rather then earnings the stock is going to continue to drop.
Any good or bad news about SJ could cause a knee jerk reaction. Also like several others here have stated I am not so sure Cook breeds confidence that Apple can do just fine if something bad were to happen to Jobs.
Not true. Under HIPAA, a person's health information is strictly private. An employer can't be forced to reveal sensitive health information. Telling Apple's Board of Director of his intended absence would be enough.
Thank you. I was about to post about HIPAA myself. I'm sick of hearing the words "shareholders" and "entitled" being thrown around in the same sentence. Steve has the right to privacy, nor does he need to share his health information with the public. Leave him be.
Besides, there are plenty of capable people at Apple, and they will continue to ensure Apple's success during Steve's absence.
As CEO of Apple, he is beholden to Apple shareholders. He works for us.
No, he works for Apple, not the shareholders. If he worked for the shareholders, Apple wouldn't be what it is today!