Pre-CDMA iPhone 4, 28% of Motorola's phone sales were on Verizon

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  • Reply 21 of 51
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Putting into perspective the threat of Verizon's new iPhone 4 carries for Android handset makers, a new report states that 28 percent of Motorola's phone sales came from Verizon before the iPhone went on sale.



    So what got put into perspective? Nothing until figures *post* iPhone 4 being released come out.



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    More likely, the real test for Android handsets on Verizon for device makers like Motorola will come when the so-called "iPhone 5" launches, expected around Apple's annual June timeframe. Then, both AT&T and Verizon -- the two largest carriers in the U.S. -- could potentially have a simultaneous launch of the new device.



    Actually the real test will be if the iPhone 5 can withstand the new Android devices being released *before* the June timeframe. There's some "magical" Android devices coming with everything from 3D no-glasses-display with 3D recording and photos to dual core power houses with unique features such as being dockable in a laptop shell. Even AT&T who has historically barely given an Android device shelf space is going to be bringing on *12* Android devices in 2011 (competition not seen by the AT&T iPhone at AT&T). Its not if Android will be stunted by the iPhone 5, it is if the iPhone 5 (which should barely be an upgrade if it plays to historical stats) can withstand all of the Android devices which will feature things (like today) that the iPhone won't have. As Android devices appear with more unique features to stand them out from other Android devices, poor Apple will be left scrambling to keep up as the "magic" is being sucked out from under them. They had a great no-competition run that allowed them to grow for years at a rapid rate. Those days of running free are going...
  • Reply 22 of 51
    I'm a little bit confused as to why this is newsworthy? Why Motorola singled out? Why is it of any note without post-iPhone launch sales to contrast?
  • Reply 23 of 51
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,092member
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    Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post


    So what got put into perspective? Nothing until figures *post* iPhone 4 being released come out.







    Actually the real test will be if the iPhone 5 can withstand the new Android devices being released *before* the June timeframe. There's some "magical" Android devices coming with everything from 3D no-glasses-display with 3D recording and photos to dual core power houses with unique features such as being dockable in a laptop shell. Even AT&T who has historically barely given an Android device shelf space is going to be bringing on *12* Android devices in 2011 (competition not seen by the AT&T iPhone at AT&T). Its not if Android will be stunted by the iPhone 5, it is if the iPhone 5 (which should barely be an upgrade if it plays to historical stats) can withstand all of the Android devices which will feature things (like today) that the iPhone won't have. As Android devices appear with more unique features to stand them out from other Android devices, poor Apple will be left scrambling to keep up as the "magic" is being sucked out from under them. They had a great no-competition run that allowed them to grow for years at a rapid rate. Those days of running free are going...



    This has been said time and time again using whatever Android phone of that particular time. Yet Apple continues breaking revenue records while Android with it's million versions, spread out over countless makers are battling for crumbs.



    Apple is not "scrambling" to keep up. You're just spinning. What they are doing is "innovating" and improving their products in a smooth and controlled fashion.



    When people keep spewing out the endless "features" and "everything-and-the-kitchen-sink" abilities, you already lost the argument because the majority of consumers really do not care about all that stuff. It's only the wet dreams of tech-heads, nerds, and geeks. You're beliefs do apply to the majority.



    In the end, when joe-consumer goes to a Verizon store and holds an iPhone in one hand, and an android phone in another, comparing quality, and ease-of-use, it's almost always a no brainer choice. That's how it works. Sorry to have to tell you.
  • Reply 24 of 51
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    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post


    This has been said time and time again using whatever Android phone of that particular time. Yet Apple continues breaking revenue records while Android with it's million versions, spread out over countless makers are battling for crumbs.



    Apple is not "scrambling" to keep up. You're just spinning. What they are doing is "innovating" and improving their products in a smooth and controlled fashion.



    When people keep spewing out the endless "features" and "everything-and-the-kitchen-sink" abilities, you already lost the argument because the majority of consumers really do not care about all that stuff. It's only the wet dreams of tech-heads, nerds, and geeks. You're beliefs do apply to the majority.



    In the end, when joe-consumer goes to a Verizon store and holds an iPhone in one hand, and an android phone in another, comparing quality, and ease-of-use, it's almost always a no brainer choice. That's how it works. Sorry to have to tell you.



    Quite right, but I want some of what MicroNix is smoking!! There's so much wrong with his comment it's hard to know where to start but you did a reasonable job lol
  • Reply 25 of 51
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    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post


    This has been said time and time again using whatever Android phone of that particular time. Yet Apple continues breaking revenue records while Android with it's million versions, spread out over countless makers are battling for crumbs.



    Yet world wide (not just verizon vs at&t) Android is spanking iOS in sales. Hardly battling for crumbs there.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post


    Apple is not "scrambling" to keep up. You're just spinning. What they are doing is "innovating" and improving their products in a smooth and controlled fashion.



    No? Then how did they release a phone where simply holding it can degrade the signal so much? Pre-iPhone 4 this would have not happened. QC was not at its best here.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post


    In the end, when joe-consumer goes to a Verizon store and holds an iPhone in one hand, and an android phone in another, comparing quality, and ease-of-use, it's almost always a no brainer choice. That's how it works. Sorry to have to tell you.



    Maybe that was the case at at&t where there really was no competition. Between Samsung, LG, HTC and Moto, quite the opposite is going to be true. While ordinary consumers are going to be thinking of filming their kids in 3D, the iPhone 5 is going to be sitting next to it with the same dull rows of icons, a glorified app launcher, with possibly NFC as Steve's big hook, line and sinker for the loyals. HTC is going to have a power house phone able to present in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched on an iPhone to replicate. Moto is going to have another power house matching "retina" screen res only with dual core procs and again capable of presenting in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched for on an iPhone. And lastly, SE is going to have a playstation phone where instead of a slide out keyboard, its a slide out PSP style controller. Yes, its not looking good for the one model fits all that is iPhone.



    You can keep kidding yourself that the competition isn't bringing it. Its the typical for the iPhone base. God himself could put out the perfect phone and you would still think Jobs does it better. If you ever ventured out of the walled garden, perhaps you would be enlightened. I own both iOS and Android devices. Something tells me you don't.
  • Reply 26 of 51
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post


    Yet world wide (not just verizon vs at&t) Android is spanking iOS in sales. Hardly battling for crumbs there.



    Those vendors are battling for crumbs as they use their last bit of energy to attempt to scramble out of the grave they dug themselves.



    Apple, on the other hand, is taking the lion?s share of revenue and profit compared to vendors using Android in smartphones, despite your claims that "Android is spanking iOS in sales [revenue and profits].?



    Oh, you meant unit sales? So your big defense that Apple is losing in a race they aren?t playing by choosing to only release a new model once a year and not giving away their OS for free to other developers. Maybe you can conceive of a reason why they wouldn?t do that? perhaps because they can make money at selling phones while others are lucky to keep the lights on.



    BTW, you can?t use that defense when you reference ?battling for crumbs? which implies some sort of payoff which is no guarantee when you only measure unit sales. You can still lose your ass selling all your stock. Every day companies lower prices to limit loses from a failed item. Xoom $1,199 on Best Buy advert, now $799, soon to be even lower when the sells even less than Motorola?s execs think it will sell.
  • Reply 27 of 51
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    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    Everyone keeps thinking this. But actually, if Apple's pattern of every other iPhone release being a minor one holds true, then the iPhone 6 launch will be the true test. iPhone 5 would likely maintain the same design as the iPhone 4 and simply receive minor speed improvements, just as the iPhone 3GS wasn't a necessary upgrade from the 3G. That, and iPhone 4 owners' contracts will be expiring next summer, not this one. Only the most fanatical iPhone owners upgrade every year, considering contracts are for two years and you don't get the full discount until 24 months have passed.



    1_ The iPhone hasn't been out long enough to say there's some pattern of updates, 3G to 3GS is only one instance, maybe you're right, but can't use one instance as a pattern. A pattern is multiple instances. Wanting to keep up to Android and really impress on Verizon it's definitely possible iPhone 5 will be a major upgrade in design & features. (Not going to happen, but I hope for a 64gb version.)



    2_ I'm on the 3GS, one of my friends is still on the 3G along with one of my coworkers and both will upgrade this summer. Only three people, but folks whose 3GS contracts end this summer many will upgrade to iP5. Not everyone has an iP4.
  • Reply 28 of 51
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    Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post


    Yet world wide (not just verizon vs at&t) Android is spanking iOS in sales. Hardly battling for crumbs there.



    Yes that's true and it is expected of Android to "dominate". With a gazillion different vendor devices running Android littering the market, how could it not? But you forgot that this "domination" is meaningless when each hardware vendor running Android ends up breaking-even at the most when profit is calculated. Let's say they do profit, but with a measly sum? Who will be happy with that? This Android "success story" will be short-lived because the handset vendors at some point in the near future will try to differentiate themselves from their Android kin by breaking away from Google and craft their own OS. You can see that from LG, who is getting tired of too many Android in the market.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post


    Maybe that was the case at at&t where there really was no competition. Between Samsung, LG, HTC and Moto, quite the opposite is going to be true. While ordinary consumers are going to be thinking of filming their kids in 3D, the iPhone 5 is going to be sitting next to it with the same dull rows of icons, a glorified app launcher, with possibly NFC as Steve's big hook, line and sinker for the loyals. HTC is going to have a power house phone able to present in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched on an iPhone to replicate. Moto is going to have another power house matching "retina" screen res only with dual core procs and again capable of presenting in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched for on an iPhone. And lastly, SE is going to have a playstation phone where instead of a slide out keyboard, its a slide out PSP style controller. Yes, its not looking good for the one model fits all that is iPhone.



    You can keep kidding yourself that the competition isn't bringing it. Its the typical for the iPhone base. God himself could put out the perfect phone and you would still think Jobs does it better. If you ever ventured out of the walled garden, perhaps you would be enlightened. I own both iOS and Android devices. Something tells me you don't.



    I can see an exasperated Android groupie in this post. Why not, from initial reports, an eight month old iPhone 4 is taking away 30% of Android customers on Android's personal playground - Verizon. It is a no-brainier that when iPhone 5 comes out, Android will be spanked out of existence in Verizon.



    Moto, Samsung, LG and HTC will not be in a position to challenge iPhone one-on-one in customer patronage because they just don't have the X factor. Whether you like it or not brand name recognition still rules the day.
  • Reply 29 of 51
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    Originally Posted by NextTechnocrati View Post


    Yes that's true and it is expected of Android to "dominate". With a gazillion different vendor devices running Android littering the market, how could it not? But you forgot that this "domination" is meaningless when each hardware vendor running Android ends up breaking-even at the most when profit is calculated. Let's say they do profit, but with a measly sum? Who will be happy with that? This Android "success story" will be short-lived because the handset vendors at some point in the near future will try to differentiate themselves from their Android kin by breaking away from Google and craft their own OS. You can see that from LG, who is getting tired of too many Android in the market.







    I can see an exasperated Android groupie in this post. Why not, from initial reports, an eight month old iPhone 4 is taking away 30% of Android customers on Android's personal playground - Verizon. It is a no-brainier that when iPhone 5 comes out, Android will be spanked out of existence in Verizon.



    Moto, Samsung, LG and HTC will not be in a position to challenge iPhone one-on-one in customer patronage because they just don't have the X factor. Whether you like it or not brand name recognition still rules the day.



    You are wrong. 30% of new verizon iphone buyers were switching from android does not equals to

    30% of verizon Android customers are switching to iPhone. It means that 100-30=70% of Verizon Android users are switching to iphone. I agree with you though that the rest 30% are waiting for iphone5
  • Reply 30 of 51
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,382member
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    All those epic emails within a 1/2 window, impressive!
  • Reply 31 of 51
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post


    Yet world wide (not just verizon vs at&t) Android is spanking iOS in sales. Hardly battling for crumbs there.







    No? Then how did they release a phone where simply holding it can degrade the signal so much? Pre-iPhone 4 this would have not happened. QC was not at its best here.







    Maybe that was the case at at&t where there really was no competition. Between Samsung, LG, HTC and Moto, quite the opposite is going to be true. While ordinary consumers are going to be thinking of filming their kids in 3D, the iPhone 5 is going to be sitting next to it with the same dull rows of icons, a glorified app launcher, with possibly NFC as Steve's big hook, line and sinker for the loyals. HTC is going to have a power house phone able to present in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched on an iPhone to replicate. Moto is going to have another power house matching "retina" screen res only with dual core procs and again capable of presenting in one screen what it takes 5 apps to be launched for on an iPhone. And lastly, SE is going to have a playstation phone where instead of a slide out keyboard, its a slide out PSP style controller. Yes, its not looking good for the one model fits all that is iPhone.



    You can keep kidding yourself that the competition isn't bringing it. Its the typical for the iPhone base. God himself could put out the perfect phone and you would still think Jobs does it better. If you ever ventured out of the walled garden, perhaps you would be enlightened. I own both iOS and Android devices. Something tells me you don't.



    When a single model of an Android phone sells half the quantity that the iPhone 4 does then I'll consider your point of view as valid.
  • Reply 32 of 51
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    Originally Posted by fizzmaster View Post


    Just exactly what new feature should people being putting off their purchase for?



    Are you kidding? The NEXT Apple release is always amazing.



    People are already predicting great things for the iPad 3, like a retina screen. The iPad 2 is likely to have an incremental addition of stuff left off the first one, like cameras. But the NEXT iPad will leave the competition scrambling.





    Andthe next iPhone will blow everyone away. It iwll have better battery life, a VERY fast dual core processor, NFC, a touchscreen on the back of the device, lots and lots of RAM, an SD card slot, wireless syncing, free turn-by-turn directions, and lots of other stuff. If it doesn't get that stuff, then the iPhone 6 will blow everybody away with its SOTA technology. And if not, then the 7 will get everything anyone might want. Remember, Steve is just like Wayne Gretsky!
  • Reply 33 of 51
    onhkaonhka Posts: 1,025member
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  • Reply 34 of 51
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    Originally Posted by NextTechnocrati View Post


    It is a no-brainier that when iPhone 5 comes out, Android will be spanked out of existence in Verizon.








    The next iPhone is gonna be SWEET! It will be so much better than any Android phone! I can't wait!
  • Reply 35 of 51
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    Originally Posted by Half a Bubble off View Post


    Because some of us have been dealing with AT&T's lack of coverage for data and voice (and I live in a major metropolitian area) and dropped calls for years that it was time to move on. Besides, the iPhone 5 is vapor-ware at this point. Why wait four more months for something that just might be more of a software upgrade than a hardware upgrade?



    With Apple just begining to hire LTE engineers, I can't see the next iPhone being 4G compatible.



    With that said, a lot of Verizon customers wanted this phone, but wanted Verizon more than AT&T.



    so you are going to go to verizon where their network can not handle simultaneous voice/data? have fun with your slow 3G speeds. How about Verizon fix their dl/ul speeds before jumping to 4G.



    I live in major metro area, actually the 3rd largest, Houston. I have may have 3 dropped calls since the iPhone 4.



    quit throwing around terms like 4G..no one has 4G, it's more like 3G+. 4G is still marketing hype and you fell for it. 4G will not be ubiquitous for many years. nice try though. Funny how AT&T 3G will still be faster than Verizon's 4G.
  • Reply 36 of 51
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    Originally Posted by crift2012 View Post


    so you are going to go to verizon where their network can not handle simultaneous voice/data? have fun with your slow 3G speeds. How about Verizon fix their dl/ul speeds before jumping to 4G.



    I live in major metro area, actually the 3rd largest, Houston. I have may have 3 dropped calls since the iPhone 4.



    quit throwing around terms like 4G..no one has 4G, it's more like 3G+. 4G is still marketing hype and you fell for it. 4G will not be ubiquitous for many years. nice try though. Funny how AT&T 3G will still be faster than Verizon's 4G.



    I agree that the pros of AT&T outweigh its cons, but I have good AT&T coverage everywhere I go. Not everyone will fall into that group. Those people need to realize that not everyone will fall into their group either.



    Verizon had to go to LTE. The effort to upgrade to EV-DO Rev. B for a little faster speeds with a still present dead-end made it so, hence moving to LTE is how they are fixing their dl/ul speeds.



    People can use terms like 4G anyway they want, including the carriers. What you are referring to is the ITU’s definition of 4G, which has also changed many times and includes a lot more than the 100Mbps download rate that is often cited. ITU’s definition is too complex for the average person to grasp and there is nothing requiring carriers and phone makers to use the ITU definition so AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile wanting to call their network 4G is perfectly fine.



    From all of their PoVs it is the 4th generation of major network technology overhauls so it does make a lot of sense. I know AT&T resisted it and didn’t like when T-Mobile called HSPA+ 4G but they really had no choice but follow suit since they clearly couldn’t go to the FCC or ITU Spanking Board to get T-Mobile to drop the marketing term and would have been seen as inferior if they kept saying 3G for the same or better service. I still don’t think most “technical” people realize that Verizon’s 3G network map included CDM2000 1xRTT which is actually on par and slightly worse than EDGE. I’m not sure if Verizon has any more of that, but when they started advertising the size of their 3G network they had plenty.
  • Reply 37 of 51
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    Note: "motifake.com" printed on bottom right hand corner and is posted on http://www.bartcop.com/



    Did it really need to be pointed out that the image was a fake?
  • Reply 38 of 51
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    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    Everyone keeps thinking this. But actually, if Apple's pattern of every other iPhone release being a minor one holds true, then the iPhone 6 launch will be the true test. iPhone 5 would likely maintain the same design as the iPhone 4 and simply receive minor speed improvements, just as the iPhone 3GS wasn't a necessary upgrade from the 3G. That, and iPhone 4 owners' contracts will be expiring next summer, not this one. Only the most fanatical iPhone owners upgrade every year, considering contracts are for two years and you don't get the full discount until 24 months have passed.



    Some, have no idea of how many, do buy a new iPhone every year. When I purchases the original iPhone, I was switching from Sprint, also purchased a Razor for my wife, so now every year I buy the new iphone and give her the old model. Works great.
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    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    Everyone keeps thinking this. But actually, if Apple's pattern of every other iPhone release being a minor one holds true, then the iPhone 6 launch will be the true test. iPhone 5 would likely maintain the same design as the iPhone 4 and simply receive minor speed improvements, just as the iPhone 3GS wasn't a necessary upgrade from the 3G. That, and iPhone 4 owners' contracts will be expiring next summer, not this one. Only the most fanatical iPhone owners upgrade every year, considering contracts are for two years and you don't get the full discount until 24 months have passed.



    not sure why you saying 24 months til an upgrade available. I purchased my 1st iPhone which was a iPhone 3GS in October 2009 and I am eligible for an upgrade in 2 days on Feb 22 2011. which is 16 months not even 1 year and a half.



    Which puts me in a bind cause I planned on waiting til this summer to upgrade to the next generatioin iPhone and skipping iPhone4. I chose to do this because unlike the majority of people here saying that this new iPhone will be the same as iPhone4 with minor changes, I was told to not get the iPhone 4 since my upgrade wasn't eligible last summer because iPhone4 was not much different than the 3GS other than the retina display (which I was told you couldn't see a difference) and front camera therefore jump at the next version. And now you all saying to wait til the following version after the next one.



    Personally, i went into an AT&T store and put the 3GS and 4 side by side nd I did see a big difference with the retina. i think I was mislead. So should I still get the new iPhone this summer and or again keep my 3GS and wait for the following release or use my upgrade in 2 days and get the iPhone4?
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