Is this an open standard? Proprietary to Intel under license to Apple? Wasn't Firewire an Apple moniker for an open standard that it spearheaded that Sony also adopted and called i.Link? Would this be the same sort of thing but with Intel being the spearhead?
Is this an open standard? Proprietary to Intel under license to Apple? Wasn't Firewire an Apple moniker for an open standard that it spearheaded that Sony also adopted and called i.Link? Would this be the same sort of thing but with Intel being the spearhead?
It is an IEEE standard, but Apple charged for the name 'Firewire' and so no one used it. That also slowed its adoption and it never really caught on.
Light peak is multi functional. its not a bout the "connector" its about for the first time a company can create a port hub with all the essential ports on it and connect it to your computer using only the light peak connector. that includes power and data.
And to the orginal post, so what? If nothing will work with it??? USB 3.0 is coming on strong, with lots of support already.
And to the orginal post, so what? If nothing will work with it??? USB 3.0 is coming on strong, with lots of support already.
You dont seem to get it do you? apple is building a mag safe data and power adapter putting all your precious adaptors in there and using a single lightpeak wire to connect that to your computer
I like the idea of a single connector on my laptop replacing all the others. I've read the comments above and it seems a few folk are having trouble seeing the advantage because all the other interfaces still have their individual uses. Here is my 2¢ on the matter.
It makes sense for me because my laptop can be smaller/thinner/lighter. It allows me to disconnect from my home setup by removing a single cable for travelling. For Apple it allows them to simplify motherboard design by having just one peripheral i/o to contend with. They can then add all these interfaces to a "hub" that is part of the power cable/brick and churn them out by the millions at a fraction of the cost of implementing them on the motherboards of all the different models they make. They can then sell a second power cable/hub to those of us who travel with our laptops frequently so we can leave the 1st one with all our peripherals connected.
I guess as laptop sales outstrip desktop sales these days that this would have a significant impact on most Apple customers. The advantage, other than blinding speed with compatible peripherals, is not so clear to me for desktops. While it would still be possible to replace those connectors on an iMac or Power Mac with a single combined power/light peak port and a "hub" it would not be so elegant. For this reason I don't see Apple doing that unless they could come up with something really compelling that is beyond my imagination. But I wouldn't bet against that...
I like the idea of a single connector on my laptop replacing all the others. I've read the comments above and it seems a few folk are having trouble seeing the advantage because all the other interfaces still have their individual uses. Here is my 2¢ on the matter.
It makes sense for me because my laptop can be smaller/thinner/lighter. It allows me to disconnect from my home setup by removing a single cable for travelling. For Apple it allows them to simplify motherboard design by having just one peripheral i/o to contend with. They can then add all these interfaces to a "hub" that is part of the power cable/brick and churn them out by the millions at a fraction of the cost of implementing them on the motherboards of all the different models they make. They can then sell a second power cable/hub to those of us who travel with our laptops frequently so we can leave the 1st one with all our peripherals connected.
I guess as laptop sales outstrip desktop sales these days that this would have a significant impact on most Apple customers. The advantage, other than blinding speed with compatible peripherals, is not so clear to me for desktops. While it would still be possible to replace those connectors on an iMac or Power Mac with a single combined power/light peak port and a "hub" it would not be so elegant. For this reason I don't see Apple doing that unless they could come up with something really compelling that is beyond my imagination. But I wouldn't bet against that...
This will also come in very hand for the IOS eco system. but imagine the impact that could have for the ipad and iphone ( apple appears to be implementing lightpeak through that ecosystem as well.) then the current connecter will probably be replaced by light peak...
this also allows apple to implement other ports on the hub they normally couldnt because of space such as hdmi.
also it allows apple to put better things on the mother board such as discreet graphics for the MBP 13" more space to put SSD directly onto the motherboard. and if they remove the HDD for SSD then that gives more room for longer battery life.
Just like when apple made USB standard on all macs. There were no accessories, everybody was either using ps/2 or adb. Everybody (apple haters) claim that it's apples plot to get all the stupid Mac users to buy their overpriced USB keyboards.
I probably would have been one of those "haters" back in those days, though in a fanboyish kind of way. Turned out pretty good for apple and everyone else. However I still doubt that including it on a laptop is a good idea. Kind of like I have no use for a blu ray (even the DVD drive is barely used) in a laptop since all my content comes from the internet.
If there are no third parties on board at launch I dont want one of my usb or FireWire ports taken away, especially on a laptop.
Part of the appeal of light peak (if I have understood various things I've read on it the last couple of years) is also that they can have everything be Light Peak on the inside and have whatever connectors on the outside of the case that they need. So you could still have a USB shaped port and a Firewire shaped port, but they would transmit over light peak and be much faster
EDIT: Corrected as it should have been inside not outside the first time
I have no idea what building this stuff costs, but this 'copper now and fibre later' idea sounds distinct un-Apple to me. I know fibre-optic cables are expensive, but when has Apple ever backed down from including really high-end features in the Pro lines?
That illuminated keyboard wasn't cheap. If Apple knows they will have to add fibre optics to Magsafe later, why wouldn't they do it now?
Part of the appeal of light peak (if I have understood various things I've read on it the last couple of years) is also that they can have everything be Light Peak on the outside and have whatever connectors on the outside of the case that they need. So you could still have a USB shaped port and a Firewire shaped port, but they would transmit over light peak and be much faster
Other way around. The novel part of LightPeak wasn?t that it was optical or faster than the current copper port interface types, but that it was protocol independent. LightPeak ports could be used to push USB, FireWire, or whatever other protocol over LightPeak port.
The problem with this is you can?t just plug in another device that can understand USB or FireWire protocols and have everything just work. You?d have to use a line convertor if you are going from optical to copper for the accessory device.
This is why this newer rumour of LightPeak being first released with copper in mind and eventually integrating the copper USB port with optical is so great. Without this transitional layer it?s just another issue that won?t allow for fast adoption, and could potentially kill a superior tech if it?s overly inferior in other ways. This is not uncommon with technology.
... The publication, however, hedges its bets on a timeframe for the rollout, saying it could come as early as this week alongside updates to Apple's MacBook Pro line or sometime further down the road.
Way to go out on limb with this projection. AI reprints it because it can't be wrong.
I am so sick of all these rumors AI prints. No matter what Apple does today, tomorrow, next week or next year AI will have reported it at some point, since every possible configuration has been rumored. I wonder what percentage of AI articles are even close to ever being accurate, I'll bet it is below 10%. I just can't wait for the iPad 4 and iPhone 6 rumors to start. AI should change their name to ABS.
Way to go out on limb with this projection. AI reprints it because it can't be wrong.
I am so sick of all these rumors AI prints. No matter what Apple does today, tomorrow, next week or next year AI will have reported it at some point. I wonder what percentage of AI articles are even close to ever being accurate, I'll bet it is below 10%. I just can't wait for the iPad 4 and iPhone 6 rumors to start. AI should their name to ABS.
This is a rumour site. If you only want fact-based articles, go to MacWorld.com.
Most of USB is about the protocol (router-based, with a handful of access methodologies), the same way that most of Firewire is based on its protocol (router-less, with a handful of access methods). Lightpeak is just a signaling technology, likely implemented with a time-slot approach so that multiple other systems can use it simultaneously without queuing.
One thing I lament is a good notebook docking tool for macbooks. I hope Lightpeak can provide this feature. If it's just one mag-safe connector for the lightpeak and the power, that would certainly do it. It would unquestionably make the world's best dock.
The Mag Connector with built-in Light Peak is brilliant. Apple has never been big on docking stations... With this combo they've obsoleted everyone else's. Remember, Light Peaknsupports multiple protocols on one wire.
You could have a simple wall powerr plug that comes up to a small breakout box with pwr converter, 2 USB, 2 light peak, a FireWire and an hdmi connector.... And a single skinny wire that connects to your MacBook. Only one port on the Mac for everything.
You could leave peripherals connected to the power/breakout module at work and home and just connect the Mag Connector to your MacBook.
Brilliant!
Jim
If this is not just an other rumor, Apple to launch this technology ahead of everybody else would be huge. I hope this comes soon to the MacPros as well as to the iMacs. So beautifully convinient. One cable to rule them all! Go Apple go!
I'ld Like to see Light Peak on the iMac so I can added some external drives. USB and FW is just too slow for my HD work. And no Express Card slot on the iMac and most MBPs is frustrating.
You dont seem to get it do you? apple is building a mag safe data and power adapter putting all your precious adaptors in there and using a single lightpeak wire to connect that to your computer
Sure I get it...one cable on the Mac. Now do all of the other vendors get it? Will there be hard drives, card readers, scanners, camera's etc on the other end.
Apple or someone is going to make a fortune on custom cables. The other end of that thing is going to be a ugly mess.
Knowing Apple it will work with exaclty their stuff, LCD, iStuff and that is it.
Comments
How about Lightwire?
Is this an open standard? Proprietary to Intel under license to Apple? Wasn't Firewire an Apple moniker for an open standard that it spearheaded that Sony also adopted and called i.Link? Would this be the same sort of thing but with Intel being the spearhead?
It's lightwire.
iWire...
MagSnap...
I could go on... but I don't really want to. I'll just wait to see what's next.
How about Lightwire?
Is this an open standard? Proprietary to Intel under license to Apple? Wasn't Firewire an Apple moniker for an open standard that it spearheaded that Sony also adopted and called i.Link? Would this be the same sort of thing but with Intel being the spearhead?
It is an IEEE standard, but Apple charged for the name 'Firewire' and so no one used it. That also slowed its adoption and it never really caught on.
Light peak is multi functional. its not a bout the "connector" its about for the first time a company can create a port hub with all the essential ports on it and connect it to your computer using only the light peak connector. that includes power and data.
And to the orginal post, so what? If nothing will work with it??? USB 3.0 is coming on strong, with lots of support already.
And to the orginal post, so what? If nothing will work with it??? USB 3.0 is coming on strong, with lots of support already.
You dont seem to get it do you? apple is building a mag safe data and power adapter putting all your precious adaptors in there and using a single lightpeak wire to connect that to your computer
And to the orginal post, so what? If nothing will work with it??? USB 3.0 is coming on strong, with lots of support already.
No one knows for sure here. It may very well be that USB 3.0 is the new port.
It makes sense for me because my laptop can be smaller/thinner/lighter. It allows me to disconnect from my home setup by removing a single cable for travelling. For Apple it allows them to simplify motherboard design by having just one peripheral i/o to contend with. They can then add all these interfaces to a "hub" that is part of the power cable/brick and churn them out by the millions at a fraction of the cost of implementing them on the motherboards of all the different models they make. They can then sell a second power cable/hub to those of us who travel with our laptops frequently so we can leave the 1st one with all our peripherals connected.
I guess as laptop sales outstrip desktop sales these days that this would have a significant impact on most Apple customers. The advantage, other than blinding speed with compatible peripherals, is not so clear to me for desktops. While it would still be possible to replace those connectors on an iMac or Power Mac with a single combined power/light peak port and a "hub" it would not be so elegant. For this reason I don't see Apple doing that unless they could come up with something really compelling that is beyond my imagination. But I wouldn't bet against that...
I like the idea of a single connector on my laptop replacing all the others. I've read the comments above and it seems a few folk are having trouble seeing the advantage because all the other interfaces still have their individual uses. Here is my 2¢ on the matter.
It makes sense for me because my laptop can be smaller/thinner/lighter. It allows me to disconnect from my home setup by removing a single cable for travelling. For Apple it allows them to simplify motherboard design by having just one peripheral i/o to contend with. They can then add all these interfaces to a "hub" that is part of the power cable/brick and churn them out by the millions at a fraction of the cost of implementing them on the motherboards of all the different models they make. They can then sell a second power cable/hub to those of us who travel with our laptops frequently so we can leave the 1st one with all our peripherals connected.
I guess as laptop sales outstrip desktop sales these days that this would have a significant impact on most Apple customers. The advantage, other than blinding speed with compatible peripherals, is not so clear to me for desktops. While it would still be possible to replace those connectors on an iMac or Power Mac with a single combined power/light peak port and a "hub" it would not be so elegant. For this reason I don't see Apple doing that unless they could come up with something really compelling that is beyond my imagination. But I wouldn't bet against that...
This will also come in very hand for the IOS eco system. but imagine the impact that could have for the ipad and iphone ( apple appears to be implementing lightpeak through that ecosystem as well.) then the current connecter will probably be replaced by light peak...
this also allows apple to implement other ports on the hub they normally couldnt because of space such as hdmi.
also it allows apple to put better things on the mother board such as discreet graphics for the MBP 13" more space to put SSD directly onto the motherboard. and if they remove the HDD for SSD then that gives more room for longer battery life.
Just like when apple made USB standard on all macs. There were no accessories, everybody was either using ps/2 or adb. Everybody (apple haters) claim that it's apples plot to get all the stupid Mac users to buy their overpriced USB keyboards.
I probably would have been one of those "haters" back in those days, though in a fanboyish kind of way. Turned out pretty good for apple and everyone else. However I still doubt that including it on a laptop is a good idea. Kind of like I have no use for a blu ray (even the DVD drive is barely used) in a laptop since all my content comes from the internet.
If there are no third parties on board at launch I dont want one of my usb or FireWire ports taken away, especially on a laptop.
EDIT: Corrected as it should have been inside not outside the first time
That illuminated keyboard wasn't cheap. If Apple knows they will have to add fibre optics to Magsafe later, why wouldn't they do it now?
Part of the appeal of light peak (if I have understood various things I've read on it the last couple of years) is also that they can have everything be Light Peak on the outside and have whatever connectors on the outside of the case that they need. So you could still have a USB shaped port and a Firewire shaped port, but they would transmit over light peak and be much faster
Other way around. The novel part of LightPeak wasn?t that it was optical or faster than the current copper port interface types, but that it was protocol independent. LightPeak ports could be used to push USB, FireWire, or whatever other protocol over LightPeak port.
The problem with this is you can?t just plug in another device that can understand USB or FireWire protocols and have everything just work. You?d have to use a line convertor if you are going from optical to copper for the accessory device.
This is why this newer rumour of LightPeak being first released with copper in mind and eventually integrating the copper USB port with optical is so great. Without this transitional layer it?s just another issue that won?t allow for fast adoption, and could potentially kill a superior tech if it?s overly inferior in other ways. This is not uncommon with technology.
... The publication, however, hedges its bets on a timeframe for the rollout, saying it could come as early as this week alongside updates to Apple's MacBook Pro line or sometime further down the road.
Way to go out on limb with this projection. AI reprints it because it can't be wrong.
I am so sick of all these rumors AI prints. No matter what Apple does today, tomorrow, next week or next year AI will have reported it at some point, since every possible configuration has been rumored. I wonder what percentage of AI articles are even close to ever being accurate, I'll bet it is below 10%. I just can't wait for the iPad 4 and iPhone 6 rumors to start. AI should change their name to ABS.
Way to go out on limb with this projection. AI reprints it because it can't be wrong.
I am so sick of all these rumors AI prints. No matter what Apple does today, tomorrow, next week or next year AI will have reported it at some point. I wonder what percentage of AI articles are even close to ever being accurate, I'll bet it is below 10%. I just can't wait for the iPad 4 and iPhone 6 rumors to start. AI should their name to ABS.
This is a rumour site. If you only want fact-based articles, go to MacWorld.com.
Usb 4.0
Most of USB is about the protocol (router-based, with a handful of access methodologies), the same way that most of Firewire is based on its protocol (router-less, with a handful of access methods). Lightpeak is just a signaling technology, likely implemented with a time-slot approach so that multiple other systems can use it simultaneously without queuing.
One thing I lament is a good notebook docking tool for macbooks. I hope Lightpeak can provide this feature. If it's just one mag-safe connector for the lightpeak and the power, that would certainly do it. It would unquestionably make the world's best dock.
The Mag Connector with built-in Light Peak is brilliant. Apple has never been big on docking stations... With this combo they've obsoleted everyone else's. Remember, Light Peaknsupports multiple protocols on one wire.
You could have a simple wall powerr plug that comes up to a small breakout box with pwr converter, 2 USB, 2 light peak, a FireWire and an hdmi connector.... And a single skinny wire that connects to your MacBook. Only one port on the Mac for everything.
You could leave peripherals connected to the power/breakout module at work and home and just connect the Mag Connector to your MacBook.
Brilliant!
Jim
If this is not just an other rumor, Apple to launch this technology ahead of everybody else would be huge. I hope this comes soon to the MacPros as well as to the iMacs. So beautifully convinient. One cable to rule them all! Go Apple go!
Whole Blu Ray Disc in 30 Seconds ?
Speed of Light here we come
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And to you byatching about this 'change'
No problem, understand what you're saying
And will give you a good deal on some SCSI
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One cable to rule them all!
and in lightpeak bind them.
Personally, I am gonna miss the cosiness of spaghetti...
You dont seem to get it do you? apple is building a mag safe data and power adapter putting all your precious adaptors in there and using a single lightpeak wire to connect that to your computer
Sure I get it...one cable on the Mac. Now do all of the other vendors get it? Will there be hard drives, card readers, scanners, camera's etc on the other end.
Apple or someone is going to make a fortune on custom cables. The other end of that thing is going to be a ugly mess.
Knowing Apple it will work with exaclty their stuff, LCD, iStuff and that is it.