IMovie demo was absolutely mind blowing. For a regular user there is really not much more in terms of features that one might want. Honestly since I only do home movie type stuff I may transition to iPad and do edits right on the spot or soon after, at least the basic stuff.
I too am very much looking forward to iMovie on the iPad. One thing that concerns me though is whether it only works with clips recorded with the iPad or if you can copy over clips recorded with some other video camera. Surely they wouldn't constrain such a beautiful piece of software in that way. How does the iPhone 4 version of iMovie work in that regard?
agreed- perhaps the debate would be less contentious if it were centred around the question of whether or not the average user, who principally consumes media only requires a device like an iPad. The iPad does what 95%(number picked for dramatic affect ) of 'computer' users actually do. Content creators on the other hand obviously need appropriate tools - being the 'PC' (for the moment that is until Apple redefine that space as well)
The new Garageband and iMovie for iPad have already been mentioned, but even if they didn't exist I think this "consumption" vs. "creation" distinction is no more explanatory than the threadbare "PC or not PC" argument. If I'm reading a book on my iPad, is this a "media consumption" activity? How about posting to this board? Writing or reading e-mail? The meanings of these terms break down almost before they come out of your mouth. They are truly arbitrary, in the same way as the other overworked terms used to describe what the iPad is or isn't.
I was super impressed by the new iPad GargeBand - I'll make a final judgement when I see it in person, but it looks great. It's a symbol of the many advantages the iPad has over PCs. Is the iOS GarageBand as purely powerful as the one in iLife? Probably not. But can a notebook turn into a virtual drumset or turntable with touch controls? Nope!
Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but it would be REALLY cool to use the iPad as a user input device for professional level apps. For example, if my iPad and Mac Pro are on the same network, I can tell the Mac Pro what to do through my iPad. Cutting clips in Final Cut Pro, for example, would be so much more fun and easy with touch controls. Then all of the heavy rendering and moving around of gigabytes of files is done by the Mac Pro. This would also allow you to do these complex tasks on the road, without bringing your computer everywhere.
What do you guys think
I'm sure a lot of this is going to happen. I already use my iPad with Photoshop as an extra WiFi monitor. I can even draw on the iPad screen in PS. There are apps that allow you to do work on files such as CAD (from Autodesk) and bring them in and out of the main program. IMovie is a good example of what we'll see in movie editing.
I was just disappointed that they didn't bring iPhoto to the iPad 2 (yet!). Not that I use it, but it would have been another good example as iMovie and GarageBand are.
I would have loved it if they brought Aperture over. Maybe someday. It would spur Adobe to get Lightroom there as well, though I do believe they are investigating that now.
I too am very much looking forward to iMovie on the iPad. One thing that concerns me though is whether it only works with clips recorded with the iPad or if you can copy over clips recorded with some other video camera. Surely they wouldn't constrain such a beautiful piece of software in that way. How does the iPhone 4 version of iMovie work in that regard?
You can copy Clips over. I've read that you can bring them over with the camera connection kit, and likely you can do so in iTunes the way you can bring things into the iPad now. I imagine you can bring things out that way as well, using iTunes that is. I don't know if Apple is expanding the connection kit to allow transfers out, which would be cool.
But there are devices on the market now that allow this to be done.
IMovie demo was absolutely mind blowing. For a regular user there is really not much more in terms of features that one might want. Honestly since I only do home movie type stuff I may transition to iPad and do edits right on the spot or soon after, at least the basic stuff.
Ditto.
Seeing what can be done via iMovie and Garageband, there is no doubt that we may be well soon getting iPad apps that virtually replace the need for power programs such as Microsoft Office and the Adobe Suite as they stand now. And that goes for Apples' pro software, e.g., Final Cut, Logic and Aperature.
As I have said before, connect a Bluetooth keyboard and a large monitor, all we really need then is a touchpad so we don't have to rely on tiring ourselves out reaching across the screen to click a button, resize an image or place the cursor.
If anything, and unlike some other, we are past just touching the surface.
The game changer hasn't happened yet. iPad needs to be truly independent of a computer. And that means unshackling it from iTunes. Giving it the power to configure a WiFi router. Enabling it to access the iTunes store and App store directly through WiFi or 3G.
Apple can make worthwhile changes with the 2012 update, like doubling the flash storage and doubling the screen resolution, but without unshackling it from PC-based iTunes it won't have truly redefined computing. And that's a dangerous step for Apple as well as for everyone else. Until that step is taken, it's basically an iPod touch with a usable screen.
The new Garageband and iMovie for iPad have already been mentioned, but even if they didn't exist I think this "consumption" vs. "creation" distinction is no more explanatory than the threadbare "PC or not PC" argument. If I'm reading a book on my iPad, is this a "media consumption" activity? How about posting to this board? Writing or reading e-mail? The meanings of these terms break down almost before they come out of your mouth. They are truly arbitrary, in the same way as the other overworked terms used to describe what the iPad is or isn't.
I absolutely wish they would drop the word "media" from the beginning of the description. While it's very possible that other products will be media tablets for some while, until a decent number of good production, business, etc. apps of various types come out, it's not true of the iPad, and hasn't been since shortly after it appeared.
First off, for what it is, the ipad and ipad 2 are very cool, that said, is anyone else alarmed about how fast people seem to be saying that this is the new computing? these "tablet and smartphones will kill PC" talk frighten me, there is no openness on these devices: can you run browser addins like noscript or adblock on android or IOS? can you change the default web browser? the default email client?
The lock peice also bugs me. if I buyu hardware, I dont want to be told what network it can or cannot connect to arbitrarily, I dont want my vendor or acrrier blocking updates and such...imagine if Comcast could say "we dont want you to have feature x of OSX or Windows 7" and they could force you to not have that piece, that would never stand, yet we take it in phones and tablets? why?
Let me get this straight ... you are frightened by this? Based on what historical fact is your fear justified?
Seeing what can be done via iMovie and Garageband, there is no doubt that we may be well soon getting iPad apps that virtually replace the need for power programs such as Microsoft Office and the Adobe Suite as they stand now. And that goes for Apples' pro software, e.g., Final Cut, Logic and Aperature.
As I have said before, connect a Bluetooth keyboard and a large monitor, all we really need then is a touchpad so we don't have to rely on tiring ourselves out reaching across the screen to click a button, resize an image or place the cursor.
If anything, and unlike some other, we are past just touching the surface.
If the iTunes uncoupling I call for actually happens, this will be another big development with the iPad. Currently, it's truly astonishing how bloated and inefficient the major power applications have become. You've got little desktop gizmos that could have run on a Commodore 64 requiring megabytes of hard drive space. The iPad represents an opportunity to get back to truly efficient programming.
The game changer hasn't happened yet. iPad needs to be truly independent of a computer. And that means unshackling it from iTunes. Giving it the power to configure a WiFi router. Enabling it to access the iTunes store and App store directly through WiFi or 3G.
Apple can make worthwhile changes with the 2012 update, like doubling the flash storage and doubling the screen resolution, but without unshackling it from PC-based iTunes it won't have truly redefined computing. And that's a dangerous step for Apple as well as for everyone else. Until that step is taken, it's basically an iPod touch with a usable screen.
No, it's still a lot more than that. While needing a computer for updates to the OS, and most, but not all, backups, it's annoying, but not fatal. I only sync every few days or so. That's not being tied to my computer. And I don't find iTunes to be a hinderance.
You're thinking in the old ways when you want to get rid of iTunes here. I think of iTunes as being one of the best features of this. It's what makes things so easy.
It won't take the place of my Mac Pro for, as Steve says, the heavy lifting, but I'm using it more and more for more things I would be sitting in front of my computer for.
The new Garageband and iMovie for iPad have already been mentioned, but even if they didn't exist I think this "consumption" vs. "creation" distinction is no more explanatory than the threadbare "PC or not PC" argument. If I'm reading a book on my iPad, is this a "media consumption" activity? How about posting to this board? Writing or reading e-mail? The meanings of these terms break down almost before they come out of your mouth. They are truly arbitrary, in the same way as the other overworked terms used to describe what the iPad is or isn't.
I absolutely wish they would drop the word "media" from the beginning of the description. While it's very possible that other products will be media tablets for some while, until a decent number of good production, business, etc. apps of various types come out, it's not true of the iPad, and hasn't been since shortly after it appeared.
I might agree, but I'm not sure. The makers of these products (Apple included) do tend to lapse into buzzword compliance and to drop vague but loaded terms such as "media," but I don't see where this has any impact on what the device actually does. For one, I find Keynote on the iPad to be a first rate business app, if using it to make presentations instead of a laptop is included in this category. I've even done some writing with Pages on the iPad, though if I was to make a frequent practice of it, I'd probably invest in a physical keyboard. Anyhow, from yesterday's presentation I see Apple pointing a big neon sign towards a future they're calling the "post-PC era." I'm not sure what this landscape will look like, but I'm more than ready to move on from the place we've been for too long.
With Android updating over the air. I've been asking what happens if you are updating your OS OTA and something goes wrong.
I have a friend with a Moto Droid where this did happen. He ended up plugging his phone into a computer and reloading the entire OS and all of his apps and information. He didn't have an iTunes so it was a total pain in the ass for him.
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Originally Posted by photoeditor
The game changer hasn't happened yet. iPad needs to be truly independent of a computer.
Although I'm sure INXS is flattered by your reference as any publicity is good publicity, that song is actually by REM. Sorry. I was a child of the 80's.
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IMovie demo was absolutely mind blowing. For a regular user there is really not much more in terms of features that one might want. Honestly since I only do home movie type stuff I may transition to iPad and do edits right on the spot or soon after, at least the basic stuff.
I too am very much looking forward to iMovie on the iPad. One thing that concerns me though is whether it only works with clips recorded with the iPad or if you can copy over clips recorded with some other video camera. Surely they wouldn't constrain such a beautiful piece of software in that way. How does the iPhone 4 version of iMovie work in that regard?
agreed- perhaps the debate would be less contentious if it were centred around the question of whether or not the average user, who principally consumes media only requires a device like an iPad. The iPad does what 95%(number picked for dramatic affect
The new Garageband and iMovie for iPad have already been mentioned, but even if they didn't exist I think this "consumption" vs. "creation" distinction is no more explanatory than the threadbare "PC or not PC" argument. If I'm reading a book on my iPad, is this a "media consumption" activity? How about posting to this board? Writing or reading e-mail? The meanings of these terms break down almost before they come out of your mouth. They are truly arbitrary, in the same way as the other overworked terms used to describe what the iPad is or isn't.
I was super impressed by the new iPad GargeBand - I'll make a final judgement when I see it in person, but it looks great. It's a symbol of the many advantages the iPad has over PCs. Is the iOS GarageBand as purely powerful as the one in iLife? Probably not. But can a notebook turn into a virtual drumset or turntable with touch controls? Nope!
Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but it would be REALLY cool to use the iPad as a user input device for professional level apps. For example, if my iPad and Mac Pro are on the same network, I can tell the Mac Pro what to do through my iPad. Cutting clips in Final Cut Pro, for example, would be so much more fun and easy with touch controls. Then all of the heavy rendering and moving around of gigabytes of files is done by the Mac Pro. This would also allow you to do these complex tasks on the road, without bringing your computer everywhere.
What do you guys think
I'm sure a lot of this is going to happen. I already use my iPad with Photoshop as an extra WiFi monitor. I can even draw on the iPad screen in PS. There are apps that allow you to do work on files such as CAD (from Autodesk) and bring them in and out of the main program. IMovie is a good example of what we'll see in movie editing.
I was just disappointed that they didn't bring iPhoto to the iPad 2 (yet!). Not that I use it, but it would have been another good example as iMovie and GarageBand are.
I would have loved it if they brought Aperture over. Maybe someday. It would spur Adobe to get Lightroom there as well, though I do believe they are investigating that now.
That's one of the things that makes it better than a PC.
Originally Posted by island hermit
The iPad can't be a PC... it doesn't have Flash!
I think he meant to be sarcastic.....
I too am very much looking forward to iMovie on the iPad. One thing that concerns me though is whether it only works with clips recorded with the iPad or if you can copy over clips recorded with some other video camera. Surely they wouldn't constrain such a beautiful piece of software in that way. How does the iPhone 4 version of iMovie work in that regard?
You can copy Clips over. I've read that you can bring them over with the camera connection kit, and likely you can do so in iTunes the way you can bring things into the iPad now. I imagine you can bring things out that way as well, using iTunes that is. I don't know if Apple is expanding the connection kit to allow transfers out, which would be cool.
But there are devices on the market now that allow this to be done.
IMovie demo was absolutely mind blowing. For a regular user there is really not much more in terms of features that one might want. Honestly since I only do home movie type stuff I may transition to iPad and do edits right on the spot or soon after, at least the basic stuff.
Ditto.
Seeing what can be done via iMovie and Garageband, there is no doubt that we may be well soon getting iPad apps that virtually replace the need for power programs such as Microsoft Office and the Adobe Suite as they stand now. And that goes for Apples' pro software, e.g., Final Cut, Logic and Aperature.
As I have said before, connect a Bluetooth keyboard and a large monitor, all we really need then is a touchpad so we don't have to rely on tiring ourselves out reaching across the screen to click a button, resize an image or place the cursor.
If anything, and unlike some other, we are past just touching the surface.
Apple can make worthwhile changes with the 2012 update, like doubling the flash storage and doubling the screen resolution, but without unshackling it from PC-based iTunes it won't have truly redefined computing. And that's a dangerous step for Apple as well as for everyone else. Until that step is taken, it's basically an iPod touch with a usable screen.
The new Garageband and iMovie for iPad have already been mentioned, but even if they didn't exist I think this "consumption" vs. "creation" distinction is no more explanatory than the threadbare "PC or not PC" argument. If I'm reading a book on my iPad, is this a "media consumption" activity? How about posting to this board? Writing or reading e-mail? The meanings of these terms break down almost before they come out of your mouth. They are truly arbitrary, in the same way as the other overworked terms used to describe what the iPad is or isn't.
I absolutely wish they would drop the word "media" from the beginning of the description. While it's very possible that other products will be media tablets for some while, until a decent number of good production, business, etc. apps of various types come out, it's not true of the iPad, and hasn't been since shortly after it appeared.
People will still buy PCs. Why? Because you still need one to update/backup your iPad
For how much longer?
First off, for what it is, the ipad and ipad 2 are very cool, that said, is anyone else alarmed about how fast people seem to be saying that this is the new computing? these "tablet and smartphones will kill PC" talk frighten me, there is no openness on these devices: can you run browser addins like noscript or adblock on android or IOS? can you change the default web browser? the default email client?
The lock peice also bugs me. if I buyu hardware, I dont want to be told what network it can or cannot connect to arbitrarily, I dont want my vendor or acrrier blocking updates and such...imagine if Comcast could say "we dont want you to have feature x of OSX or Windows 7" and they could force you to not have that piece, that would never stand, yet we take it in phones and tablets? why?
Let me get this straight ... you are frightened by this? Based on what historical fact is your fear justified?
If anything, and unlike some other, we are past just touching the surface.
Heh! Good one!
Ditto.
Seeing what can be done via iMovie and Garageband, there is no doubt that we may be well soon getting iPad apps that virtually replace the need for power programs such as Microsoft Office and the Adobe Suite as they stand now. And that goes for Apples' pro software, e.g., Final Cut, Logic and Aperature.
As I have said before, connect a Bluetooth keyboard and a large monitor, all we really need then is a touchpad so we don't have to rely on tiring ourselves out reaching across the screen to click a button, resize an image or place the cursor.
If anything, and unlike some other, we are past just touching the surface.
If the iTunes uncoupling I call for actually happens, this will be another big development with the iPad. Currently, it's truly astonishing how bloated and inefficient the major power applications have become. You've got little desktop gizmos that could have run on a Commodore 64 requiring megabytes of hard drive space. The iPad represents an opportunity to get back to truly efficient programming.
The game changer hasn't happened yet. iPad needs to be truly independent of a computer. And that means unshackling it from iTunes. Giving it the power to configure a WiFi router. Enabling it to access the iTunes store and App store directly through WiFi or 3G.
Apple can make worthwhile changes with the 2012 update, like doubling the flash storage and doubling the screen resolution, but without unshackling it from PC-based iTunes it won't have truly redefined computing. And that's a dangerous step for Apple as well as for everyone else. Until that step is taken, it's basically an iPod touch with a usable screen.
No, it's still a lot more than that. While needing a computer for updates to the OS, and most, but not all, backups, it's annoying, but not fatal. I only sync every few days or so. That's not being tied to my computer. And I don't find iTunes to be a hinderance.
You're thinking in the old ways when you want to get rid of iTunes here. I think of iTunes as being one of the best features of this. It's what makes things so easy.
It won't take the place of my Mac Pro for, as Steve says, the heavy lifting, but I'm using it more and more for more things I would be sitting in front of my computer for.
The new Garageband and iMovie for iPad have already been mentioned, but even if they didn't exist I think this "consumption" vs. "creation" distinction is no more explanatory than the threadbare "PC or not PC" argument. If I'm reading a book on my iPad, is this a "media consumption" activity? How about posting to this board? Writing or reading e-mail? The meanings of these terms break down almost before they come out of your mouth. They are truly arbitrary, in the same way as the other overworked terms used to describe what the iPad is or isn't.
Once again, the Dr. is right on...
A tribute to INXS
Its the end of the World (Microsoft)
as we know it
and I Feeeeeeel fine!
yipeeee
Actually, R.E.M.
I absolutely wish they would drop the word "media" from the beginning of the description. While it's very possible that other products will be media tablets for some while, until a decent number of good production, business, etc. apps of various types come out, it's not true of the iPad, and hasn't been since shortly after it appeared.
I might agree, but I'm not sure. The makers of these products (Apple included) do tend to lapse into buzzword compliance and to drop vague but loaded terms such as "media," but I don't see where this has any impact on what the device actually does. For one, I find Keynote on the iPad to be a first rate business app, if using it to make presentations instead of a laptop is included in this category. I've even done some writing with Pages on the iPad, though if I was to make a frequent practice of it, I'd probably invest in a physical keyboard. Anyhow, from yesterday's presentation I see Apple pointing a big neon sign towards a future they're calling the "post-PC era." I'm not sure what this landscape will look like, but I'm more than ready to move on from the place we've been for too long.
I have a friend with a Moto Droid where this did happen. He ended up plugging his phone into a computer and reloading the entire OS and all of his apps and information. He didn't have an iTunes so it was a total pain in the ass for him.
The game changer hasn't happened yet. iPad needs to be truly independent of a computer.
A tribute to INXS
Its the end of the World (Microsoft)
as we know it
and I Feeeeeeel fine!
yipeeee